And not to be too argumentative: Yes, yes it can. It may be just my own ignorance, but I know of many VCR owners (myself among them), none of which ever shared their own recordings. For many people (and in my experience, most people), the VCR is really just a VCP, and in this mode, the Tivo most certainly does replace the VCR.
At this point, I suppose, we can agree to disagree.
No you're not;). While I genuinely like the Tivo interface (and paid the fee up front, so I'm not affected by the monthly charges), I really meant to speak to the "PVR is just a souped up VCR" debate, which really is no debate at all, just one side is horribly ill-informed.
If I didn't own a Tivo, I'd probably be working on getting MythTV running...
I completely agree. In fact, at lunch today someone suggested that Tivo work with Best Buy or some such and offer a "two month trial Tivo" for the unindoctrinated. You throw down $200 deposit and walk out with a Tivo to use, and if you decide to keep it you can return the borrowed one for a new model any time within the trial period.
It only takes a little exposure to get hooked. It might even prevent Tivo from falling into bankruptcy;).
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I just had the "Tivo is just a souped-up VCR" discussion with a non-believer yesterday, except that it wasn't really worth discussing. Tivo is not just a better VCR, the program management bits make it a wholly different beast. Yes, you _can_ do everything Tivo does, manually with a VCR, but you never would, because it's a PITA.
What was surprising, however, was that four other Tivo owners chimed in, giving glowing reports of how great their PVR is. I have never met a Tivo owner that was not a zealot for the technology--I defy you to find one.
"...because there is no removable media..." This really isn't at all important.
While I agree with a lot of your comment, I think the easy answer for externally powering an OS project is Miranda's strategy: build a solid framework and make it extensible through plugins.
Most developers (including myself) just don't have the time to get into the guts a program that needs a new feature, but a sensible plugin architecture allows a journeyman contributor to add a small feature without requiring a patch to the core. The Eclipse project is a great example of this, if Miranda (which I just found from the links on this thread) isn't enough for you.
I am a big jEdit fan from a while back, and before Eclipse, it was my preferred ide. The plugin architecture is incredibly elegant. It's still my favorite editor, but I don't generally use it for the same reason IBM wrote their own widgeting toolkit: Swing is just too slow.
I use jEdit on a 2Ghz, 1G ram machine, and it _still_ takes ~10 secs to get to the editor (I've got about 10 plugins loading). On top of this, right-clicking on a file in Windows Explorer->Open with jEdit... (great integration, btw) takes a full second and flickers a bit. A second doesn't seem like much, but SWT apps are instantaneous and they don't flicker at all. Swing was a great idea that didn't survive its execution.
A guy posted on the jEdit mailing list about porting to SWT, and the response was that aside from the enormous effort involved (Swing has a richer API with different event handling characteristics), it would vitiate all their great work to this point. Whether that's true, I wish someone would pick up at least the core to port to SWT, a fast jEdit is my dream editor.
As for Eclipse vs jEdit as a project development environment, there is simply no contest. Eclipse is at least as customizable and the stupid parts of coding get more effortless with each release. Project management bits, what is unquestionably the finest CVS/General Source Control integration anywhere, and hundreds of plugins (of which mine is one) make Eclipse the all-conquering IDE. When introduced customizable key bindings, that was my last tie to jEdit for Java development (jEdit still has a better key bindings interface); I now can ctrl+j move to the left and barely suppress a smile.
Your post and its parent are barely worth commenting on, but I'll give it shot: Mozilla is a whole lot more than I want or will ever use (integrated IRC? Composer?), Phoenix is small and fast, which is a beautiful thing. Have you ever used Lotus Notes? That's another do-it-all app that seeks to replace your operating system with components half as good as those developed for a specific task.
Phoenix and Minotaur are pointless forks designed to get someone free cred points on the back of anothers' work.
What exactly is the problem with standing on the shoulders of giants?
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The subscription service may be the death of Tivo, but the service itself is worth every penny. I paid the lifetime $250 at the time I got my Series 1, so my average monthly charge keeps getting less ($10 and counting). For the 2 weeks I was sans hard line telephone and hadn't gotten the TivoNet card installed, going back manual programming was a nightmare I don't care to repeat.
It was easily as awful as watching TV at Tivo-less friend's house.
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And not to be too argumentative: Yes, yes it can. It may be just my own ignorance, but I know of many VCR owners (myself among them), none of which ever shared their own recordings. For many people (and in my experience, most people), the VCR is really just a VCP, and in this mode, the Tivo most certainly does replace the VCR.
At this point, I suppose, we can agree to disagree.
No you're not ;). While I genuinely like the Tivo interface (and paid the fee up front, so I'm not affected by the monthly charges), I really meant to speak to the "PVR is just a souped up VCR" debate, which really is no debate at all, just one side is horribly ill-informed.
If I didn't own a Tivo, I'd probably be working on getting MythTV running...
I completely agree. In fact, at lunch today someone suggested that Tivo work with Best Buy or some such and offer a "two month trial Tivo" for the unindoctrinated. You throw down $200 deposit and walk out with a Tivo to use, and if you decide to keep it you can return the borrowed one for a new model any time within the trial period.
;).
It only takes a little exposure to get hooked. It might even prevent Tivo from falling into bankruptcy
I just had the "Tivo is just a souped-up VCR" discussion with a non-believer yesterday, except that it wasn't really worth discussing. Tivo is not just a better VCR, the program management bits make it a wholly different beast. Yes, you _can_ do everything Tivo does, manually with a VCR, but you never would, because it's a PITA.
What was surprising, however, was that four other Tivo owners chimed in, giving glowing reports of how great their PVR is. I have never met a Tivo owner that was not a zealot for the technology--I defy you to find one.
"...because there is no removable media..." This really isn't at all important.
Most developers (including myself) just don't have the time to get into the guts a program that needs a new feature, but a sensible plugin architecture allows a journeyman contributor to add a small feature without requiring a patch to the core. The Eclipse project is a great example of this, if Miranda (which I just found from the links on this thread) isn't enough for you.
I use jEdit on a 2Ghz, 1G ram machine, and it _still_ takes ~10 secs to get to the editor (I've got about 10 plugins loading). On top of this, right-clicking on a file in Windows Explorer->Open with jEdit... (great integration, btw) takes a full second and flickers a bit. A second doesn't seem like much, but SWT apps are instantaneous and they don't flicker at all. Swing was a great idea that didn't survive its execution.
A guy posted on the jEdit mailing list about porting to SWT, and the response was that aside from the enormous effort involved (Swing has a richer API with different event handling characteristics), it would vitiate all their great work to this point. Whether that's true, I wish someone would pick up at least the core to port to SWT, a fast jEdit is my dream editor.
As for Eclipse vs jEdit as a project development environment, there is simply no contest. Eclipse is at least as customizable and the stupid parts of coding get more effortless with each release. Project management bits, what is unquestionably the finest CVS/General Source Control integration anywhere, and hundreds of plugins (of which mine is one) make Eclipse the all-conquering IDE. When introduced customizable key bindings, that was my last tie to jEdit for Java development (jEdit still has a better key bindings interface); I now can ctrl+j move to the left and barely suppress a smile.
Phoenix and Minotaur are pointless forks designed to get someone free cred points on the back of anothers' work.
What exactly is the problem with standing on the shoulders of giants?
Freedom for the people! Liberate mail from the evil clutches of the Web Browser!
The subscription service may be the death of Tivo, but the service itself is worth every penny. I paid the lifetime $250 at the time I got my Series 1, so my average monthly charge keeps getting less ($10 and counting). For the 2 weeks I was sans hard line telephone and hadn't gotten the TivoNet card installed, going back manual programming was a nightmare I don't care to repeat.
It was easily as awful as watching TV at Tivo-less friend's house.