We are in no way trying to imitate PocketPC. In fact we concentrate on usability and ease of use which Microsoft does not.
The only thing similar is that we also use a colorful and comprehensive display and similar applications (today, addressbook, calendar, etc.) but besides this the whole concept is different.
I cant see from your posting who exactly you are accusing of violating the GPL. Our developers are long time experienced with GPL development and we try to take care of all aspects.
So it would be good practice to give some proof of those accusations.
Regarding your details, I dont have the time to dig around just to find all pieces of information you might have provided somewhere. So please if you have something to say, say it here.
We have highly improved the dialin support in the last days before the release so I suggest you try the 1.0 release again.
Oliver ________________________________________ _____ Oliver Fels Feed manager/Coordination Project OPIE- the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment http://opie.handhelds.org IRC: irc.freenode.net #opie #opie.de
Just take in account that GPE has a very long way to go to reach the status Opie has today. Also, GPE does not go PDA way but a Linux way which in turn is not my impression of a useful PDA.
Two worlds, different audiences and I wonder how you define the term "more useful" when it comes to PDAs- GPEs PIM capabilities are much worse than Opies. Maybe you would like to contribute with detailed ideas instead of flames ?
Oliver ________________________________________ _____ Oliver Fels Feed manager/Coordination Project OPIE- the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment http://opie.handhelds.org IRC: irc.freenode.net #opie #opie.de
Yes, you can completey flash the device with OZ thus totally replacing it. There is no loss in storage.
Make sure you backup the Hancom apps and Jeode before reflashing so you can use them under Opie or you lose them.
Oliver ________________________________________ _____ Oliver Fels Feed manager/Coordination Project OPIE- the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment http://opie.handhelds.org IRC: irc.freenode.net #opie #opie.de
Currently there is not much support for Notes due to a lack of resources, I am afraid. Though if someone would order such a solution or if there would be a reasonable market things are different. Contact me upon demand.
Oliver ________________________________________ _____ Oliver Fels Feed manager/Coordination Project OPIE- the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment http://opie.handhelds.org IRC: irc.freenode.net #opie #opie.de
In the financial sector OS/2 is still a commonly used platform. Eg a lot of banks and insurance companies still rely on the platform all over the world. The german Lufthansa also has a large installation base. And of course OS/2 still has an acitve user community devoted to their favorite OS.
Here at InnoTek some people are running OS/2 for obvious reasons and some are running Linux (including myself) and Windows so I can second your thoughts.
You said it:
"Use the best tool for the job".
Saying this you have to give me the justification of WindowsCE/PPC running on a PDA.
From a productive view, the whole application suite coming with PPC can not be considered being "productive". Having used Newtons for year and having seen Palm and EPOC PIM applications, I find PocketPC being very very limited.
The only reason I can imagine why someone might be using WinCE is that more drivers are available and more software (of low quality) is being developed).
Both reasons are because manufacturers are jumping after MS due to a limited view of alternatives.
Looking at the Qtopia desktop running under Familiar linux with a 2.4.16 kernel on iPaqs, I have to say that it is getting better and better every day and that it is more productive than any PocketPC I have seen.
And you have the chance to actively influence the development. MS wont give you that chance.
That will be nice for users of the iPaq and other X11-based handhelds, who will then get the same handheld apps that run on the Sharp without the limitations of its "embedded" display engine.
The ipaq is not a X11 based device.
Mine perfectly runs Qtopia using the built in framebuffer.
It is not JDK 1.1.8 on that device, it is Insignias Jeode runtime version of Personal JAVA, which is in most parts JRE 1.1.8 compliant (and JRE, not JDK).
PJ is a (though almost complete) subset designed for use with embedded devices.
Taking a fully bloated JDK/JRE of tha JAVA2 environment would require the device to be extended with much more memory and CPU power- Swing is a beast here.
Just for your information, Intimate is a Linux distribution (mainly for ipaqs) which is able to run the full KDE package:
http://intimate.handhelds.org
I dont know about Lineo, but Qtopia (the new name of qpe) is running under a GPL license.
The Qt/E on the Zaurus afaik is a licensed version from TrollTech, though a non commercial version running under the GPL can be acquired from TrollTech.
Running Qtopia under X11 is currently tried by several people and there is an interesting project running a VNC server on top of X11 so the built-in VNC client can display it under Qtopia.
Have a look at the mailing list archives under http://familiar.handhelds.org and http://qpe.sourceforge.net
I'd like to mention, that VirtualPC from Connectix is currently ported to OS/2 by the Germany based company InnoTek.
It will contain full support of the full VirtualPC suite, of additional interest might be the OS/2 VirtualPC addons for Windows.
Members of InnoTek are also involved in the ODIN project.
Further information can be acquired from
http://www.innotek.de
We did that 6 years ago in my first company - A device called "BrainMan" using bio feedback.
If I remember it correctly, it had 2 modes- One which collected bio data and changed the music according to the mood you had for relaxation purposes and a second one which generated new music according to the data aquired by the bio sensors.
In those time the whole thing required 2 desktop PCs to operate, but it was planned to miniaturize the device to discman size.
Those were the days we had revolutionary ideas which, when the management changed, disappeared in the closet and have never been seen again.
We had lots of good ideas in those days, and most of them have just made a commercial renaissance by others...
Id be very curious what happened if I posted my usenet contributions via ISP with a disclaimer like that:
"This posting is under my personal and intellectual property. It is under no circumstances granted to be indexed, hosted or archived by any Google related organisation or technology without explicit permission."
If lots of people put a legal disclaimer in their postings, some googles might start sweatening:-)
Note: I am not against Google or the usenet archive but this point here is starting to worry me...
Oliver
Slashdot Mirror
We are in no way trying to imitate PocketPC.
In fact we concentrate on usability and ease of use which Microsoft does not.
The only thing similar is that we also use a colorful and comprehensive display and similar applications (today, addressbook, calendar, etc.) but besides this the whole concept is different.
Oliver
team Opie
I cant see from your posting who exactly you are accusing of violating the GPL.
Our developers are long time experienced with GPL development and we try to take care of all aspects.
So it would be good practice to give some proof of those accusations.
Regarding your details, I dont have the time to dig around just to find all pieces of information you might have provided somewhere.
So please if you have something to say, say it here.
Oliver
We have highly improved the dialin support in the last days before the release so I suggest you try the 1.0 release again.
_ _____
Oliver
_______________________________________
Oliver Fels
Feed manager/Coordination
Project OPIE- the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment
http://opie.handhelds.org
IRC: irc.freenode.net #opie #opie.de
Well, thats your opinion.
_ _____
Just take in account that GPE has a very long way to go to reach the status Opie has today.
Also, GPE does not go PDA way but a Linux way which in turn is not my impression of a useful PDA.
Two worlds, different audiences and I wonder how you define the term "more useful" when it comes to PDAs- GPEs PIM capabilities are much worse than Opies.
Maybe you would like to contribute with detailed ideas instead of flames ?
Oliver
_______________________________________
Oliver Fels
Feed manager/Coordination
Project OPIE- the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment
http://opie.handhelds.org
IRC: irc.freenode.net #opie #opie.de
Yes, you can completey flash the device with OZ thus totally replacing it.
_ _____
There is no loss in storage.
Make sure you backup the Hancom apps and Jeode before reflashing so you can use them under Opie or you lose them.
Oliver
_______________________________________
Oliver Fels
Feed manager/Coordination
Project OPIE- the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment
http://opie.handhelds.org
IRC: irc.freenode.net #opie #opie.de
Currently there is not much support for Notes due to a lack of resources, I am afraid.
_ _____
Though if someone would order such a solution or if there would be a reasonable market things are different.
Contact me upon demand.
Oliver
_______________________________________
Oliver Fels
Feed manager/Coordination
Project OPIE- the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment
http://opie.handhelds.org
IRC: irc.freenode.net #opie #opie.de
Yes, there were political reasons.
Qtopia did not let developers take part in the project to contribute and parts of it were closed source.
Oliver Fels
Team Opie
Who says we need income from this ?
There is not much choice if you fork a GPL based project regarding licensing issues.
Oliver Fels
Team Opie
It can sync to Outllok via QTopiaDesktop from TrollTech (free) and IntelliSync from PumaTech.
http://opie.infofreaks.net has a rudimentary sync tool for Windows, which does not work very well with Win2k.
iCal support is built in.
Qtopia apps are working.
Oliver
Project Opie
Well I don't know in which time frame you are living in but if you looked in the OS/2 Netscape About box, you could be aware of our logo. ;)
Oliver Fels
InnoTek
In the financial sector OS/2 is still a commonly used platform. Eg a lot of banks and insurance companies still rely on the platform all over the world. The german Lufthansa also has a large installation base.
And of course OS/2 still has an acitve user community devoted to their favorite OS.
Oliver
Here at InnoTek some people are running OS/2 for obvious reasons and some are running Linux (including myself) and Windows so I can second your thoughts.
Oliver Fels
InnoTek
Apparently are we not affiliated with that piece of product, so the answer is "no" ;)
Oliver Fels
InnoTek
You said it:
"Use the best tool for the job".
Saying this you have to give me the justification of WindowsCE/PPC running on a PDA.
From a productive view, the whole application suite coming with PPC can not be considered being "productive". Having used Newtons for year and having seen Palm and EPOC PIM applications, I find PocketPC being very very limited.
The only reason I can imagine why someone might be using WinCE is that more drivers are available and more software (of low quality) is being developed).
Both reasons are because manufacturers are jumping after MS due to a limited view of alternatives.
Looking at the Qtopia desktop running under Familiar linux with a 2.4.16 kernel on iPaqs, I have to say that it is getting better and better every day and that it is more productive than any PocketPC I have seen.
And you have the chance to actively influence the development. MS wont give you that chance.
Oliver
That will be nice for users of the iPaq and other X11-based handhelds, who will then get the same handheld apps that run on the Sharp without the limitations of its "embedded" display engine.
The ipaq is not a X11 based device.
Mine perfectly runs Qtopia using the built in framebuffer.
It is not JDK 1.1.8 on that device, it is Insignias Jeode runtime version of Personal JAVA, which is in most parts JRE 1.1.8 compliant (and JRE, not JDK).
PJ is a (though almost complete) subset designed for use with embedded devices.
Taking a fully bloated JDK/JRE of tha JAVA2 environment would require the device to be extended with much more memory and CPU power- Swing is a beast here.
Oliver
Just for your information, Intimate is a Linux distribution (mainly for ipaqs) which is able to run the full KDE package:
http://intimate.handhelds.org
Oliver
Juergen, :-)
great you plugged in
Unfortunately, your port won't run on the Zaurus, as it requires X which is not available on the device.
Oliver
Yeah, go ahead.
We need software for that device.
BTW, besides opera, there is a free web browser available:
Konqueror Embedded can be acquired from http://www.konqueror.org
Oliver
The new Qtopia release will support synching using irda and network via obex.
So if you have an obex stack installed on your Newton, it should work (though I am looking for that myself).
Oliver
I dont know about Lineo, but Qtopia (the new name of qpe) is running under a GPL license.
The Qt/E on the Zaurus afaik is a licensed version from TrollTech, though a non commercial version running under the GPL can be acquired from TrollTech.
Running Qtopia under X11 is currently tried by several people and there is an interesting project running a VNC server on top of X11 so the built-in VNC client can display it under Qtopia.
Have a look at the mailing list archives under http://familiar.handhelds.org and http://qpe.sourceforge.net
Oliver
Synching is underway.
The new Qtopia 1.5 (this is how the QtPalmtop Environment is now called) will support sync operations.
Oliver
Hi.
I'd like to mention, that VirtualPC from Connectix is currently ported to OS/2 by the Germany based company InnoTek.
It will contain full support of the full VirtualPC suite, of additional interest might be the OS/2 VirtualPC addons for Windows.
Members of InnoTek are also involved in the ODIN project.
Further information can be acquired from
http://www.innotek.de
Regards,
Oliver Fels
InnoTek Systemberatung GmbH
We did that 6 years ago in my first company - A device called "BrainMan" using bio feedback.
If I remember it correctly, it had 2 modes- One which collected bio data and changed the music according to the mood you had for relaxation purposes and a second one which generated new music according to the data aquired by the bio sensors.
In those time the whole thing required 2 desktop PCs to operate, but it was planned to miniaturize the device to discman size.
Those were the days we had revolutionary ideas which, when the management changed, disappeared in the closet and have never been seen again.
We had lots of good ideas in those days, and most of them have just made a commercial renaissance by others...
Oliver
Id be very curious what happened if I posted my usenet contributions via ISP with a disclaimer like that: "This posting is under my personal and intellectual property. It is under no circumstances granted to be indexed, hosted or archived by any Google related organisation or technology without explicit permission." If lots of people put a legal disclaimer in their postings, some googles might start sweatening :-)
Note: I am not against Google or the usenet archive but this point here is starting to worry me...
Oliver