Maybe, and fair point, b ut it could've been mentioned as an aside and would've either been overlooked, or served as a warning to folks to hide their SSID's. If you provide fair warning to folks who then ignore the warning, they have nothing to rant about.
The fact that this has transpired 'on the sly' is half the problem .
Aparrently 'do no evil' doesn't translate to 'be open and honest about exactly what it is we're doing when we drive around your neighbourhood in our camera-van'.
They could've headed this all off by disclosing it openly in the first place, instead of claiming 'accidental' data collection.
Bah I was going to mod this one up, but NoScript broke it. I expect the filtering is mainly an arse-covering exercise on the part of the Library/School/Etc so they can at least claim to be making 'reasonable efforts' to protect the kids from Internet Nasties. Agree it's probably the wrong approach, but you can understand why this is a problem in America (the land of litigation)...
Second to last para is less than clear,... there should be no judgement in either direction, live and let live. Can't stand the (typically religious) chastity-fans when they start evangalising about how civilization is degrading due to 'the sinners'. If Civilization is being degraded, it's by the fsckwits who abuse/steal/plunder/rape/commit acts of violence and indecency. Not agreeable decisions between consenting folks-of-age.
You must be joking. Pre-Marital Sex may have been taboo in some parts of society in the 1930's but it is _far less_ taboo in the 21st century.
Anyway why does your statement pertain only to females? Males not held to the same standards re pre-marital chastity? Chauvinist much?
If you educate your teen (and pre-teen) in not just sex, but sex/love/responsibility, your kid will be much more likely to go on to make good decisions. Including when to have sex, and how to be a responsible, sexually active member of society. As most folks are.
There are still some sectors who believe in chastity-before-marraige, good on them, but don't judge those folks as morally inferior just because they don't subscribe to the same beliefs.
Surprising the degree of chauvinism and bigotry that one can still read between the lines, I thought this was 2010...
Two points. 1) Porn Sites may offer SSL but from my laymans POV, why would they add additional load to their servers? Authentication and Payment may well be SSL covered but I doubt those gigabytes of videos and stills are passed via anything other than HTTP in the majority of cases - allowing much easier load balancing, caching and such.
2) The way the NZ filter will work, if your IP is filtered your traffic is going to pass thru their router based on the BGP advertisement anyway, so you're going to get a performance hit if you happen to wind up on a server which appears in their list, SSL or not.
Yes it's interesting to see how past experience can taint your view; I had a limited bout of french tutoring when I was about 10 and the experience was enough to put me off all additional language learning; I thusly opted for the technical subjects instead, which is fine except that I feel like i'm now missing out on so much more (my wife is multi-lingual).
I definately endorse flagging crappy grammar in an essay, exam submission or similar. I don't know that 'instant zero' is in any way fair. Big red pen, perhaps...
What he said. I've been looking to enter the LCD market for the first time (minus laptops) and am leaning toward a 20" Widescreen formfactor. Unfortunately the most economical ones in the local market seem to have native resolution of 1366x768 - insufficient!!
Much like the OP i'd like a decent resolution without spending megabucks, thus far I'm only looking but hope to make a D by mid-august (when i'll have a better idea of my budget).
So this thread has been most interesting. Thanks guys.
PS: The Dell 4:3 res monitor suggestion earlier wasn't a bad one. We use them at my office as well and they're excellent. I actually find myself tempted to get a pair and shell out on a dual-head video card...
So let them have IE5 _only_ for that application, and Firefox for everything else.
The version of IE you have installed should be irrelevant because you shouldn't be using IE at all.;-)
(Yes, IE5 is bad, not disagreeing. Just suggesting that whilst they evaluate alternatives to their current software they should be obviously not using IE anywhere but the places they absolutely-have-to.)
The party that won our early-December election suggested in November that they would 'review' the policy - http://www.stuff.co.nz/4775021a11.html (Note the following: "Australia plans to ban the sale of incandescent light bulbs from next year when Britain will start phasing them out. China, which makes 70 per cent of the world's lightbulbs, recently agreed to phase out incandescent bulbs.")
I'm glad they did it, because I want the choice. I have a mix if CFL and Incandescent at home (buy the right bulb for the job, I say) and I do maintain that the CFL light is best when it's on for a period of time...
As for LEDs? I have an LED 3-D Maglite Clone and a 4-D Maglite (genuine), the latter of which uses Incandescent. It puts out more light, and i'm sure that's not just voltage talking. For 'being seen' the LED is fine (with a wand on the tip for traffic control, for example) but for casting light, id rather have a lightbulb.
At the risk of extending this rather off-topic fork, I feel its important to correct a mis-truth in the above.
By removing the defence of reasonable force there is no longer a defence for smacking your child; how is that NOT illegal?
For clarity, the truth is that it has always been 'illegal' to smack your kids (ala 'assault anyone') but reasonable force has always been a valid defence for parents, in the course of disciplining their kids. No longer the case, making prosecutions much more likely to succeed. Net result is that we now have busybodies and narkers stepping in...
The latter occurred because a bystander 'took umbrage' and an off-duty police officer phoned it in. The guy then winds up surrounded by 6 cops!
Sorry but I couldnt let you spread mis-truths about New Zealand Law. It is illegal to smack your child here, because there is no legal defence for what essentially is an assault in the eyes of the law. Splitting hairs further has no value.
Firstly: Morse Code has not been a requirement in order to access frequencies above 30Mhz for quite some time. You can operate VHF and upwards based on your technical/regulatory examination only. The US call it a Tech Class. The Tech Class was retired - with morse code - in New Zealand in 2004. Other countries did the same around the same time. (Reference: ). The USA did similar in 2006. Try reviewing for some info on the subject in a US Context.
The code-v-no-code argument goes on and on but the fact remains that Amateur Radio is still about innovative communications solutions. I'm still on the sunny side of 30 and have been enjoying the hobby since I was 16. I got a kick out of talking to MIR on my 5Watt Handheld + Vertical Antenna combo and discussing with Andy Thomas my future aspirations, age 17. I still get a kick out of the various ways my radio knowledge has helped my community, and helps me professionally every day.
Good on Oregon for getting Ham Radio out there. (Its not an acronym; its not HAM radio... !!) Try it, before you knock it, folks...
Its a little more complex than lack of oxygen - the oxygen in your system actually expands as it turns to a vapour (boiling point drops as pressure drops, remember?) and whilst its recoverable if caught quickly enough , it doesn't sound very pleasant...
Actually it was an EP-3. A variant of the P-3 Orion fitted for Electronic survailance.
With thanks to dictionary.com:
spy (sp)
n., pl. spies (spz.)
1. An agent employed by a state to obtain secret information, especially of a military nature, concerning its potential or actual enemies.
2. One employed by a company to obtain confidential information about its competitors.
3. One who secretly keeps watch on another or others.
4. An act of spying.
(3) is the closest, but its not exactly a secret in an EP-3 - theyre not exactly able to hide from radar.
In other words they werent spying.. they were.. 'observing' and were probably fully expecting to be intercepted. I dont imagine the collision was planned, as China seem to think.:o)
I dont see what all the song and dance is about. Yes, Putting a box onto the internet does *not* give anyone else the right to break in to it. Hell Ive had it happen to me *more* than once.
A computer on a network is the responsibility of the SysAdmin. Any actions taken said box are the responsibility of the owner. So the Owner therefore makes sure that the boxen can only do what it is designed to do.. with as few security holes as possible!!
This is why we have doors with locks. And this is why Admins who sit there yelling 'I shouldnt have to' should rethink their perspectives on life; one day it'll be you on the recieving end.
Isomer, youve been doing a *bloody good job* -- above and beyond the call of duty, and Im sure many on undernet feel the same as I do.
Regards to all the Opers and Helpers on Undernet who are trying to assist the masses.
BlakJak
Youd be suprised what a little bit of common sense and willpower lets you do.
Btw, they arent nerds. Most of the guys I know in this region with callsigns are far from it.:)
BTW re talking to 'Australia' - on a good day a technician class equivalent can do it from my QTH using far far less power or resources than you would on the phone, internet or otherwise. Dont knock it untill you tried it.:)
73 de ZL1VMF, Mark, from New Zealand. Go AMSAT Go:)
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Yeah, what he said. Nice to see a sane comment on the subject. I'd have modded you up...
Maybe, and fair point, b ut it could've been mentioned as an aside and would've either been overlooked, or served as a warning to folks to hide their SSID's. If you provide fair warning to folks who then ignore the warning, they have nothing to rant about.
The fact that this has transpired 'on the sly' is half the problem .
Aparrently 'do no evil' doesn't translate to 'be open and honest about exactly what it is we're doing when we drive around your neighbourhood in our camera-van'.
They could've headed this all off by disclosing it openly in the first place, instead of claiming 'accidental' data collection.
Bah I was going to mod this one up, but NoScript broke it.
I expect the filtering is mainly an arse-covering exercise on the part of the Library/School/Etc so they can at least claim to be making 'reasonable efforts' to protect the kids from Internet Nasties.
Agree it's probably the wrong approach, but you can understand why this is a problem in America (the land of litigation)...
Second to last para is less than clear, ... there should be no judgement in either direction, live and let live. Can't stand the (typically religious) chastity-fans when they start evangalising about how civilization is degrading due to 'the sinners'. If Civilization is being degraded, it's by the fsckwits who abuse/steal/plunder/rape/commit acts of violence and indecency. Not agreeable decisions between consenting folks-of-age.
You must be joking. Pre-Marital Sex may have been taboo in some parts of society in the 1930's but it is _far less_ taboo in the 21st century.
Anyway why does your statement pertain only to females? Males not held to the same standards re pre-marital chastity? Chauvinist much?
If you educate your teen (and pre-teen) in not just sex, but sex/love/responsibility, your kid will be much more likely to go on to make good decisions. Including when to have sex, and how to be a responsible, sexually active member of society. As most folks are.
There are still some sectors who believe in chastity-before-marraige, good on them, but don't judge those folks as morally inferior just because they don't subscribe to the same beliefs.
Surprising the degree of chauvinism and bigotry that one can still read between the lines, I thought this was 2010...
Two points.
1) Porn Sites may offer SSL but from my laymans POV, why would they add additional load to their servers? Authentication and Payment may well be SSL covered but I doubt those gigabytes of videos and stills are passed via anything other than HTTP in the majority of cases - allowing much easier load balancing, caching and such.
2) The way the NZ filter will work, if your IP is filtered your traffic is going to pass thru their router based on the BGP advertisement anyway, so you're going to get a performance hit if you happen to wind up on a server which appears in their list, SSL or not.
Yes it's interesting to see how past experience can taint your view; I had a limited bout of french tutoring when I was about 10 and the experience was enough to put me off all additional language learning; I thusly opted for the technical subjects instead, which is fine except that I feel like i'm now missing out on so much more (my wife is multi-lingual).
I definately endorse flagging crappy grammar in an essay, exam submission or similar. I don't know that 'instant zero' is in any way fair. Big red pen, perhaps...
What he said. I've been looking to enter the LCD market for the first time (minus laptops) and am leaning toward a 20" Widescreen formfactor. Unfortunately the most economical ones in the local market seem to have native resolution of 1366x768 - insufficient!!
Much like the OP i'd like a decent resolution without spending megabucks, thus far I'm only looking but hope to make a D by mid-august (when i'll have a better idea of my budget).
So this thread has been most interesting. Thanks guys.
PS: The Dell 4:3 res monitor suggestion earlier wasn't a bad one. We use them at my office as well and they're excellent.
I actually find myself tempted to get a pair and shell out on a dual-head video card...
So let them have IE5 _only_ for that application, and Firefox for everything else.
The version of IE you have installed should be irrelevant because you shouldn't be using IE at all. ;-)
(Yes, IE5 is bad, not disagreeing. Just suggesting that whilst they evaluate alternatives to their current software they should be obviously not using IE anywhere but the places they absolutely-have-to.)
Careful what you wish for - the New Zealand Government came very close to doing just this... only the recent change of government stopped it:
It was suggested:http://www.stuff.co.nz/4586858a11.html (June 08)
It got some instant attention from people who raised lots of contentious issues: http://www.stuff.co.nz/AAMB0/aamsz=760x120/4587346a7693.html (June 08)
The party that won our early-December election suggested in November that they would 'review' the policy - http://www.stuff.co.nz/4775021a11.html (Note the following: "Australia plans to ban the sale of incandescent light bulbs from next year when Britain will start phasing them out. China, which makes 70 per cent of the world's lightbulbs, recently agreed to phase out incandescent bulbs.")
Then as of 17 Dec 08 the new government said it was 'consumers choice' and repealed the decision to get rid of incandescents... http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10548446
I'm glad they did it, because I want the choice. I have a mix if CFL and Incandescent at home (buy the right bulb for the job, I say) and I do maintain that the CFL light is best when it's on for a period of time...
As for LEDs? I have an LED 3-D Maglite Clone and a 4-D Maglite (genuine), the latter of which uses Incandescent. It puts out more light, and i'm sure that's not just voltage talking. For 'being seen' the LED is fine (with a wand on the tip for traffic control, for example) but for casting light, id rather have a lightbulb.
At the risk of extending this rather off-topic fork, I feel its important to correct a mis-truth in the above.
By removing the defence of reasonable force there is no longer a defence for smacking your child; how is that NOT illegal?
For clarity, the truth is that it has always been 'illegal' to smack your kids (ala 'assault anyone') but reasonable force has always been a valid defence for parents, in the course of disciplining their kids. No longer the case, making prosecutions much more likely to succeed. Net result is that we now have busybodies and narkers stepping in...
News coverage from when it became law: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/story.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10440080%5D
Noted as the most extreme law in the world on the subject: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/PO0705/S00223.htm
A father gets a warning put on his police record for flicking his childs ear:
http://stuff.co.nz/4354765a10.html
The latter occurred because a bystander 'took umbrage' and an off-duty police officer phoned it in. The guy then winds up surrounded by 6 cops!
Sorry but I couldnt let you spread mis-truths about New Zealand Law. It is illegal to smack your child here, because there is no legal defence for what essentially is an assault in the eyes of the law. Splitting hairs further has no value.
Firstly: Morse Code has not been a requirement in order to access frequencies above 30Mhz for quite some time.
You can operate VHF and upwards based on your technical/regulatory examination only. The US call it a Tech Class.
The Tech Class was retired - with morse code - in New Zealand in 2004. Other countries did the same around the same time. (Reference: ). The USA did similar in 2006.
Try reviewing for some info on the subject in a US Context.
The code-v-no-code argument goes on and on but the fact remains that Amateur Radio is still about innovative communications solutions. I'm still on the sunny side of 30 and have been enjoying the hobby since I was 16. I got a kick out of talking to MIR on my 5Watt Handheld + Vertical Antenna combo and discussing with Andy Thomas my future aspirations, age 17. I still get a kick out of the various ways my radio knowledge has helped my community, and helps me professionally every day.
Good on Oregon for getting Ham Radio out there. (Its not an acronym; its not HAM radio... !!) Try it, before you knock it, folks...
Question appears to be answered: http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a3_147.html
Its a little more complex than lack of oxygen - the oxygen in your system actually expands as it turns to a vapour (boiling point drops as pressure drops, remember?) and whilst its recoverable if caught quickly enough , it doesn't sound very pleasant...
Heh, I just realised how inappropriate my signature is. :P
Actually it was an EP-3. A variant of the P-3 Orion fitted for Electronic survailance. With thanks to dictionary.com: spy (sp) n., pl. spies (spz.) 1. An agent employed by a state to obtain secret information, especially of a military nature, concerning its potential or actual enemies. 2. One employed by a company to obtain confidential information about its competitors. 3. One who secretly keeps watch on another or others. 4. An act of spying. (3) is the closest, but its not exactly a secret in an EP-3 - theyre not exactly able to hide from radar. In other words they werent spying.. they were.. 'observing' and were probably fully expecting to be intercepted. I dont imagine the collision was planned, as China seem to think. :o)
I dont see what all the song and dance is about. Yes, Putting a box onto the internet does *not* give anyone else the right to break in to it. Hell Ive had it happen to me *more* than once. A computer on a network is the responsibility of the SysAdmin. Any actions taken said box are the responsibility of the owner. So the Owner therefore makes sure that the boxen can only do what it is designed to do.. with as few security holes as possible!! This is why we have doors with locks. And this is why Admins who sit there yelling 'I shouldnt have to' should rethink their perspectives on life; one day it'll be you on the recieving end. Isomer, youve been doing a *bloody good job* -- above and beyond the call of duty, and Im sure many on undernet feel the same as I do. Regards to all the Opers and Helpers on Undernet who are trying to assist the masses. BlakJak
Youd be suprised what a little bit of common sense and willpower lets you do. Btw, they arent nerds. Most of the guys I know in this region with callsigns are far from it. :)
BTW re talking to 'Australia' - on a good day a technician class equivalent can do it from my QTH using far far less power or resources than you would on the phone, internet or otherwise. Dont knock it untill you tried it. :)
73 de ZL1VMF, Mark, from New Zealand. Go AMSAT Go :)