Would having wireless carriers be dumb pipes really be so bad?
Minor nitpick: If they were "dumb pipes" they wouldn't have to subsidize the cost of the iPhone. You'd pay full price for it and obtain service without a contract.
there wouldn't be carrier locking, branding and third party crapware either..
I was about to say he can take it up in court, but I think AL Gore already has claims on this. dating back to 1983/4?
Again, more reasons for IP reform, IP needs to be redefined, and a good number of vauge and overly generalized patents need to be thrown out.
the review proccess for granting patents needs and overhaul, as well as restrictions and background checks on who can be a patent clerk and stingent enforcement.
Then we might see the end of frivolous tech law suits which only harm actually developers and artists.
yellow journalism??? Being one sided is a long standing tradional media tradition.
This is MORE than just generals and the government, who I don't think really has a coherent voice or mission anymore. Just an aggregate of various competing corporate intrests.
rememeber the 1990s, how the mainstream media was able to equate hackers and computer geeks with pedophiles and internet creeps. then it was goth kids. Yes pasty angsty passive-aggressive goth kids became a threat to society.
Don't get me started on how they get the "conservative base" fired up for "morals" enforcement just to let their own chosen super stars off the hook(along with bought and paid for forgiveness by big name televangelists), while underground musicians and fans get intimidated and harrassed for doing less.
Or how they use celebrities to astroturf social movements left right and center. Devistating effect is usally a fox watching the hen house. Entrusting millionare investors to watch over formerly populist movements.
Then there is the PR industry which is common go between for both the media and politicians to paint on any image they want?
Obama as a leftist?
George Bush as a Texas cowboy?
I can go on and on and on
it comes down to they are scared they are no in control anymore. While the media outlets remain, the fringe benefits they used to enjoy and absolute control have diminished. Too bad their business model relies on total control. This single crack will bring the entire system down.
They'll find out when they can't single out and ruthlessly eliminate dissent they're will be a lot more of it. this is just the tip of the iceberg and they know it.
the NY times is a very reputable paper. They've allowed an OP-ED from the head of the industry under assault to defend his position in an essay, which is more than reasonable.
Even if it is a 1. blatantly false 2. nothing more than propaganda.
That’s partly because 'old media' draws a line between 'news' and 'editorial.'
They say they do, but did they ever?
they play fast and loose about this too much. I think every subculture group thats ever been covered in the news can attest to this. They have a great way of influencing court decisions by assuming guilt or lack there of on the onset, and using "news" articles to cater to their opinions.
just because they keep the TONE quasi npov(less and less these days), doesn't mean the content is in any one bit NPOV. When they mean "fair and impartial" they just mean they "dead pan" it to have the stylistic elements of being "fair and impartial". Anyone who's ever watched cable news know how skewed it is, and how news broadcasters use heavy bias in their reporting.
FOX News
MSNBC
CNN
Even before this, they had a long history of skewing the news in any dirrection they like. They NEVER lived up to the standards they pretended to. Like the rest of their arguments, its a bold face lie. This is about command and control, and their made up authority.
They have destroyed $5 billion worth of hardware and 14 lives because of their nonsense.
(This is going to be incredibly insensitive torwards those lives that were lost, but it has to be said.) 17 lives lost in the last 50 years of U.S. space exploration really is not too bad considering how many lives where lost during other times of exploration, pioneering eras and the building of industry. I think NASA tries to be perfect and after all they are rocket scientists, but to assume that NASA is the only place that has mismanagement is incredibly naive. Look at the rest of government. Look at the military. Look at the FDA for crying out loud. Am I saying that you should have deaths? No, what I'm saying is that you need to have a little perspective. Only 17 lives lost in 50 years means that you're at least doing something right to safeguard all the other lives that you saved through careful proceedure and cool heads.
I think the point that was being made is that it was deaths that could have been prevented if the powers that be listened to someone who knew what they where talking about.
I agree, accidents DO happen. Its tragic, and no one is perfect. But when you have information that could save someone's life and sit on it for personal or "political" reasons and a preventable death happens, its noteworthy.
you know, like the exploding ford pinto fiasco in the 1980s.
Good to know that greed and corruption still rule. I was worried that we may be entering some weird, "by and for the people" period in American history.
Seriously though, what's it gonna take? How bad does it have to get before Joe Sixpack wakes up and takes notice? How much more before we finally have that revolution?
I've been fighting with my votes, my dollar, and by educating everyone who will listen. I'm ready to lock and load to get MY America back.
THIS!
I am glad to know my military service is up in two months.
will NOT be re-enlisting.
To quote Mark Twain "I love my country, but I fear my government."
"No person, no idea, and no religion deserves to be illegal to insult." --RMS
this.
Once we bow to this, then we open the door to other reliegous based censorship, which opens the door for religeons organizations and cults to supress critics.
what did he really think was going to happen. A bit arrogant to expect any sort of co-operation from a company you just BLACKMAILED. Why in hell would they want someone like this to work for them.
Definition of DOING IT WRONG.
I think you need to take you need to take a step back from your partisan rhetoric a second. Just because there are large "tea party" organizations does not mean everyone in the tea party takes marching orders, or follows any of those groups.
OWS does take donations for large anonymous donors. Its also not been around nearly as long as the tea party, and it hasn't had nearly as many hijacking attempts. Its not without ethical flaws either. what movement is though. That said I support OWS for the most part. Lot of good people. But you can tell there are a lot of party spoilers in the crowd.
I think it can be said that George Soros, MoveOn, and Al Franken, and the same media and financial industry goons support our rights just as much as the Kotch brothers, and their associated PACs. (your going to tell me there money, or support won't show up at OWS?)
The tea party was around before the big money and many of them have independant ideas. No I'm not a tea party supporter, but it still was a grass roots movement at some time. If anything rhetoric like yours is what drives them to the republicans and the funding machine for "protection". I also never been to a tea party event, but I've talked to some online and they seem pretty genuine. reciting democrat, and democrat agent FUD does nothing for anyone but the democrat party. The same assholes who accused the green party of being republican agents for not standing down. Its easy to say the democrats say that about anyone who is a less than loyal democrat.(Republican says say the same thing, I know).
Also the more allies against SOPA and PIPA the better. Its proponents are strong with what was bi-partisan support. I really don't think I owe the democrats anything, and I am OK with feeding them to the dogs. If they don't like it, they can try listening to the populace instead of their corporate sponsorships. If they wanna so viciously defend corporate sponsorship(bribes), they are no better than the republicans.
Its also noted the republicans who initally did support this bill, largely dropped it when their voters complained harshley. we need either more democrat voters who do the same, or a new leftist party.
[quote]The RIAA also warns that the need to hire an attorney to navigate the ITC's arcane legal process will 'put justice out of reach for small business American victims of IP theft.[/quote]
as opposed to putting justice out of reach for those unfairly targeted by copyright laws. the RIAA has a long sorrid history of targeting small legimitate businesses with copyright laws of which they did NOT infringe. Many of these business close or fork over large sums of money simply because they cannot afford attourneys.
It looks like a reasonable copyright enforcement law has been proposed, but the RIAA explicitly want
What to do:
Listen to music from non-riaa artists (underground like punk, some forms of metal, goth, some forms of country and folk, indie rock, etc...)
install free/libre software on your computer
buy local products
establish a strong DIY ethic
support others who do the same.
organize and speak out everytime this happens,.
When IP laws where first conceived it was to protect book manufactures durring the enlightenment. It protected the author against larger corporations with no ideas who could mill out books faster, and made it unfeasable to pay authors to write books without such protections.;
Now, this is just the inverse, IP is used to strip inventors and authors from their rights, and suppress competition from distinct and seperate products. Of course IP law is tricky and difficult to manuver through.
They have created a system where content, device and inovation is only legally acomplishable by those who have a lawyer corps large enough to win. big corporations, government research.
Everyone else just gets sued out of their own ideas by frivolous law suits.
Its obvious that most leftists are against this. Espcially most grass roots orgs.
Its really time for the grass roots leftists to realize that celebrites and the media industry does NOT have their best intrests at heart and just plays them.
The Republicans are in bed with their own corporate agendas, and no one is suggested they aren't. but ever since the tea party has been around they've had an angry populist base to keep them in line.
While the democrats are busy getting their grass roots activists worked up and paranoid about the tea party, what they really should be doing is making their own grass roots organization instead of bitching about the tea party.
Its also funny to point out there is a grain of truth in republican propaganda about "liberal elitests". By that we can soley mean the democratic party and its agents in other leftist organizations. Instead of fixing the issue, they just throw their base under the bus. The solutiuon isn't swallowing republican values hook line and sinker, but instead forcing the democrats to listen to their base, not their source of bribes. That said, they make a valid point of bold face democrat hypocracy. This won them elections in 2010.
I'll go further. The media machine is also what sells votes to special intrest groups, being that most PR firms have heavy ties to washington AND hollywood. Money would NOT be able to buy votes without the paid work of advertising men who learn their trade at the same schools and institutions as movie dirrectors. They are the same source. They do the same thing. There is no diffrence.
The republican party in the last 5 years has been quick to adapt to new a new base. They've gotten good with new media. The Obama campaign was an exception to the democrat rule.
again the solution is more grass roots movements, and to keep all special intrests out peroid. While free speech on line is only an issue, its been pointed out its a VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE. Its a new tool for coreting the horrible ballance away from a few elites to the populace at large. This lets people talk to people without a middleman to censor and mix up ideas.
It also makes it harder to "buy" an election with advertising money. I mean what would the point be if not one really took the TV seriously? You can buy out every blogger. There are potentially unlimited blogs. Nothing from keeping the people of speaking about "sell outs"
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Would having wireless carriers be dumb pipes really be so bad?
Minor nitpick: If they were "dumb pipes" they wouldn't have to subsidize the cost of the iPhone. You'd pay full price for it and obtain service without a contract.
there wouldn't be carrier locking, branding and third party crapware either..
deal. I already buy my own phones.
Again, more reasons for IP reform, IP needs to be redefined, and a good number of vauge and overly generalized patents need to be thrown out.
the review proccess for granting patents needs and overhaul, as well as restrictions and background checks on who can be a patent clerk and stingent enforcement.
Then we might see the end of frivolous tech law suits which only harm actually developers and artists.
yellow journalism??? Being one sided is a long standing tradional media tradition.
This is MORE than just generals and the government, who I don't think really has a coherent voice or mission anymore. Just an aggregate of various competing corporate intrests.
rememeber the 1990s, how the mainstream media was able to equate hackers and computer geeks with pedophiles and internet creeps. then it was goth kids. Yes pasty angsty passive-aggressive goth kids became a threat to society.
Don't get me started on how they get the "conservative base" fired up for "morals" enforcement just to let their own chosen super stars off the hook(along with bought and paid for forgiveness by big name televangelists), while underground musicians and fans get intimidated and harrassed for doing less.
Or how they use celebrities to astroturf social movements left right and center. Devistating effect is usally a fox watching the hen house. Entrusting millionare investors to watch over formerly populist movements.
Then there is the PR industry which is common go between for both the media and politicians to paint on any image they want?
Obama as a leftist?
George Bush as a Texas cowboy?
I can go on and on and on
it comes down to they are scared they are no in control anymore. While the media outlets remain, the fringe benefits they used to enjoy and absolute control have diminished. Too bad their business model relies on total control. This single crack will bring the entire system down.
They'll find out when they can't single out and ruthlessly eliminate dissent they're will be a lot more of it. this is just the tip of the iceberg and they know it.
the NY times is a very reputable paper. They've allowed an OP-ED from the head of the industry under assault to defend his position in an essay, which is more than reasonable.
Even if it is a 1. blatantly false 2. nothing more than propaganda.
That’s partly because 'old media' draws a line between 'news' and 'editorial.'
They say they do, but did they ever?
they play fast and loose about this too much. I think every subculture group thats ever been covered in the news can attest to this. They have a great way of influencing court decisions by assuming guilt or lack there of on the onset, and using "news" articles to cater to their opinions.
just because they keep the TONE quasi npov(less and less these days), doesn't mean the content is in any one bit NPOV. When they mean "fair and impartial" they just mean they "dead pan" it to have the stylistic elements of being "fair and impartial". Anyone who's ever watched cable news know how skewed it is, and how news broadcasters use heavy bias in their reporting.
FOX News
MSNBC
CNN
Even before this, they had a long history of skewing the news in any dirrection they like. They NEVER lived up to the standards they pretended to. Like the rest of their arguments, its a bold face lie. This is about command and control, and their made up authority.
They have destroyed $5 billion worth of hardware and 14 lives because of their nonsense.
(This is going to be incredibly insensitive torwards those lives that were lost, but it has to be said.) 17 lives lost in the last 50 years of U.S. space exploration really is not too bad considering how many lives where lost during other times of exploration, pioneering eras and the building of industry. I think NASA tries to be perfect and after all they are rocket scientists, but to assume that NASA is the only place that has mismanagement is incredibly naive. Look at the rest of government. Look at the military. Look at the FDA for crying out loud. Am I saying that you should have deaths? No, what I'm saying is that you need to have a little perspective. Only 17 lives lost in 50 years means that you're at least doing something right to safeguard all the other lives that you saved through careful proceedure and cool heads.
I think the point that was being made is that it was deaths that could have been prevented if the powers that be listened to someone who knew what they where talking about.
I agree, accidents DO happen. Its tragic, and no one is perfect. But when you have information that could save someone's life and sit on it for personal or "political" reasons and a preventable death happens, its noteworthy.
you know, like the exploding ford pinto fiasco in the 1980s.
Good to know that greed and corruption still rule. I was worried that we may be entering some weird, "by and for the people" period in American history.
Seriously though, what's it gonna take? How bad does it have to get before Joe Sixpack wakes up and takes notice? How much more before we finally have that revolution?
I've been fighting with my votes, my dollar, and by educating everyone who will listen. I'm ready to lock and load to get MY America back.
THIS!
I am glad to know my military service is up in two months.
will NOT be re-enlisting.
To quote Mark Twain "I love my country, but I fear my government."
"No person, no idea, and no religion deserves to be illegal to insult." --RMS
this. Once we bow to this, then we open the door to other reliegous based censorship, which opens the door for religeons organizations and cults to supress critics.
what did he really think was going to happen. A bit arrogant to expect any sort of co-operation from a company you just BLACKMAILED. Why in hell would they want someone like this to work for them. Definition of DOING IT WRONG.
hats off to poland! you guys rock.
OWS does take donations for large anonymous donors. Its also not been around nearly as long as the tea party, and it hasn't had nearly as many hijacking attempts. Its not without ethical flaws either. what movement is though. That said I support OWS for the most part. Lot of good people. But you can tell there are a lot of party spoilers in the crowd.
I think it can be said that George Soros, MoveOn, and Al Franken, and the same media and financial industry goons support our rights just as much as the Kotch brothers, and their associated PACs. (your going to tell me there money, or support won't show up at OWS?)
The tea party was around before the big money and many of them have independant ideas. No I'm not a tea party supporter, but it still was a grass roots movement at some time. If anything rhetoric like yours is what drives them to the republicans and the funding machine for "protection". I also never been to a tea party event, but I've talked to some online and they seem pretty genuine. reciting democrat, and democrat agent FUD does nothing for anyone but the democrat party. The same assholes who accused the green party of being republican agents for not standing down. Its easy to say the democrats say that about anyone who is a less than loyal democrat.(Republican says say the same thing, I know).
Also the more allies against SOPA and PIPA the better. Its proponents are strong with what was bi-partisan support. I really don't think I owe the democrats anything, and I am OK with feeding them to the dogs. If they don't like it, they can try listening to the populace instead of their corporate sponsorships. If they wanna so viciously defend corporate sponsorship(bribes), they are no better than the republicans.
Its also noted the republicans who initally did support this bill, largely dropped it when their voters complained harshley. we need either more democrat voters who do the same, or a new leftist party.
[quote]The RIAA also warns that the need to hire an attorney to navigate the ITC's arcane legal process will 'put justice out of reach for small business American victims of IP theft.[/quote] as opposed to putting justice out of reach for those unfairly targeted by copyright laws. the RIAA has a long sorrid history of targeting small legimitate businesses with copyright laws of which they did NOT infringe. Many of these business close or fork over large sums of money simply because they cannot afford attourneys. It looks like a reasonable copyright enforcement law has been proposed, but the RIAA explicitly want What to do: Listen to music from non-riaa artists (underground like punk, some forms of metal, goth, some forms of country and folk, indie rock, etc...) install free/libre software on your computer buy local products establish a strong DIY ethic support others who do the same. organize and speak out everytime this happens,.
When IP laws where first conceived it was to protect book manufactures durring the enlightenment. It protected the author against larger corporations with no ideas who could mill out books faster, and made it unfeasable to pay authors to write books without such protections.; Now, this is just the inverse, IP is used to strip inventors and authors from their rights, and suppress competition from distinct and seperate products. Of course IP law is tricky and difficult to manuver through. They have created a system where content, device and inovation is only legally acomplishable by those who have a lawyer corps large enough to win. big corporations, government research. Everyone else just gets sued out of their own ideas by frivolous law suits.
Its obvious that most leftists are against this. Espcially most grass roots orgs.
Its really time for the grass roots leftists to realize that celebrites and the media industry does NOT have their best intrests at heart and just plays them.
The Republicans are in bed with their own corporate agendas, and no one is suggested they aren't. but ever since the tea party has been around they've had an angry populist base to keep them in line.
While the democrats are busy getting their grass roots activists worked up and paranoid about the tea party, what they really should be doing is making their own grass roots organization instead of bitching about the tea party.
Its also funny to point out there is a grain of truth in republican propaganda about "liberal elitests". By that we can soley mean the democratic party and its agents in other leftist organizations. Instead of fixing the issue, they just throw their base under the bus. The solutiuon isn't swallowing republican values hook line and sinker, but instead forcing the democrats to listen to their base, not their source of bribes. That said, they make a valid point of bold face democrat hypocracy. This won them elections in 2010.
I'll go further. The media machine is also what sells votes to special intrest groups, being that most PR firms have heavy ties to washington AND hollywood. Money would NOT be able to buy votes without the paid work of advertising men who learn their trade at the same schools and institutions as movie dirrectors. They are the same source. They do the same thing. There is no diffrence.
The republican party in the last 5 years has been quick to adapt to new a new base. They've gotten good with new media. The Obama campaign was an exception to the democrat rule.
again the solution is more grass roots movements, and to keep all special intrests out peroid. While free speech on line is only an issue, its been pointed out its a VERY IMPORTANT ISSUE. Its a new tool for coreting the horrible ballance away from a few elites to the populace at large. This lets people talk to people without a middleman to censor and mix up ideas.
It also makes it harder to "buy" an election with advertising money. I mean what would the point be if not one really took the TV seriously? You can buy out every blogger. There are potentially unlimited blogs. Nothing from keeping the people of speaking about "sell outs"