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ACTA's EU Future In Doubt As Poland Suspends Ratification
superglaze writes "Poland has suspended its ratification process for ACTA, throwing the copyright crackdown into doubt for the whole European Union. ACTA is being handled as a 'mixed agreement' in the EU due to its criminalization clauses, so if a single EU member state (such as Poland) fails to ratify it, it is null and void across the entire union. If that were to happen, at least six of the remaining international signatories would have to ratify ACTA for it to apply anywhere in the world. Outside the EU, only eight countries — including the U.S. — have signed."
Fuckin' A!
They forgot about Poland!
Let me be the first to say "BARDZO DOBRZA! ACTA JEST GUWNO!" ("Very well done! ACTA is shit!")
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Thank you (again) Poland.
My UID is prime. Hah!
They should bribe every country in the EU, not just the US.
My thanks go out to the Polish people that are making enough of a stink about this that their government had to (maybe) reconsider.
Kick Poland out of the EU
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There's an immense store of goodwill towards Poland in the US, despite the ludicrous actions of our corporations and government. When it counts, it will be repaid.
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There are not many opportunities to by proud of my countrymen, but now, for once, we have shown true citizenship and democratic backbone.
This day will hopefully be remembered just as September 17, 1939 is.
Because the RIAA and MPAA will get into tanks and perform a Blietzkreig on Poland?
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Poland is better representing its citizens rights on this issue than is my own country (USA). After seeing PIPA/SOPA fallout, I can't believe anyone in the US region of politics would want to attach their name to this. How do how do treaties work anyway? I don't remember having a vote on this.
ACTA, as it currently stands, in not binding on the U.S., because Congress has not ratified it.
The Executive branch has no Constitutional authority to enforce it as any kind of treaty without ratification by Congress. I know some are "debating" this, but the debate is nothing but BS. The Constitution spells it out pretty clearly.
No they will make a secret packet between Russia and Germany to divide and annex the country
I don't know about the tanks, but the attack was secretly planned and swiftly executed, yes.
...do not forget about Poland.
big cudoes to you, peoples, your acting in this case put you all alot closer to my heart.
Because the RIAA and MPAA will get into tanks and perform a Blietzkreig on Poland?
MPAA's panzers are hollywood props. And this time the Polish Army won't be fighting on horseback like they did against the Nazis.
Better watch out for the zombie lawyer attack though.
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Way to go, Poland. We won't be like John Kerry and forget you.
I guess that would be a "stateful packet".
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Has anyone else considered that the politicos in the U.S. aren't as stupid as we're making them out to be?
Perhaps they've pulled this ACTA thing together because they KNOW they it will never get fully ratified, and a bunch of this crazy copyright stuff is merely to get the RIAA/MPAA off their back? "Sorry! We did our best, looks like you'll have to compete in the open market..." Then they've fulfilled their duties to the companies they know are dying, and actually positioned themselves to buddy up to the online communities by saying "Hey! ACTA wasn't passed... you didn't REALLY think we meant it when this thing went through, did you? We've know for years that those dumb assholes at the recording industry are dead in the water... we just needed to get them off our backs to concentrate on you guys!"
I mean, it's a bit far-fetched,but I just can't shake the feeling that these people are not THIS stupid, because individually many aren't.
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...and reason was also that agreement is too complex to be signed away so easily, so they have to discuss it first too. I highly doubt that they will hear nothing what happen in Poland and other countries with public opinion. This is country where government actually listens to people, using Internet extensively to collect comments about proposed laws.This is also a land where they elect their government using Internet and Skype was also started there.
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According to reports, Tusk said on Friday that his government had made insufficient consultations before signing the agreement in late January, and it was necessary to ensure it was entirely safe for Polish citizens.
All they have to do is do some consultations (like on C-32 in Canada, now known as C-11) and totally ignore them (like C-11 in Canada) and then pass it anyway (with some bogus excuse).
Make sure when you get to get out on February 11. Let this strengthen your resolve. Massive outcries DO work. In order to make suspension into cancellation, this issue needs to stay 'alive'.
The biggest weapon we have is to kick american culture from europe.
Lets legislate a "preserve european culture" act and be done with it.
Allow 1 american film per year, and not more than 3 hours of american music on broadcast radio.
Fuck you MPAA and RIAA.
I'd like to thank my representatives. The problem is, I don't live in Poland or know any Polish... Can someone from there tell me who/where/how to send my thanks and perhaps who to donate a bit of money for next elections? (I feel somewhat betrayed by the far-left candidate I voted for, who actually became a minister of culture and one of the first things he did was to act like a good puppet of our RIAA-equivalent. He was the one guy I had hoped to protect my interests against those of multinational capitalistic corporations...)
Poland should have something like sixth-most weight to throw around in the EU but for some reason, they tend to act like one of the smaller countries. It's good that a lot of decisions are still made through consensus like this. And I feel a bit of pride that our own parliament likes it just the way it is.
Currently there is an enormous backlash against ACTA in Poland. If the ratification voting were held today, it would likely be rejected. But suspending means trying to push it later (or via EU channels) when it becomes forgotten. Now is the time for other EU citizens to stand up when it is still hot. Sadly, corporate lobbying is so strong nowadays that fighting it requires almost constant effort.
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hats off to poland! you guys rock.
From Soviet puppet state to sole voice of freedom and reason in Europe in the space of 20 years. Wow.
Hey, lawyers: You Forgot Poland!
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Can the US get that law, too?
Plawski knew what he had to do – without the other destroyers Piorun couldn’t hope to face the Bismarck alone. Now that suprise was lost the Battleship was fast enough to keep Piorun out of torpedo range, the Piorun couldn’t stay in contact with her now. She should radio in Bismarck’s latest position and then, for want of another phrase, get the fuck out of Dodge.
They’d all just have to hope that another ship was close enough to make contact with her again before she managed to slip away again – although given the weather and the darkness Plawski realised that was increasingly unlikely.
It was frustrating and may ultimately mean the British missed their opportunity to intercept, but sadly, that was the only sensible option. Anything else was suicide.
Plawski though for a split second then sighed, smiled and gave his orders to his crew:
“Full speed ahead. All hands to battlestations. We attack.”
This is Poland! We are taking over this thread! :P
Poland once again makes a stand against tyranny.
Yes. They do that a lot.
Thank you, Polish protesters on the streets and in the parliament, that is. No thanks to Donald Tusk, he's still a prick. But right now he's a prick who is afraid he might lose some voters.
I feel bad for putting down Stanisaw Lem's "Fiasco" halfway through now. I think I'm going to finish it.
Yeah, not a whole lot to be proud of. I see what you mean. /s
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Priority is irrelevant (priority would only become an issue of a purported treaty violated a negative restriction in the Constitution, not if it merely extends beyond the other enumerated powers of the federal government in the Constitution.) And the issue was settled by the Supreme Court in Missouri v. Holland 252 U.S. 416 (1920).
The holding in Missori v. Holland states outright that the treaty power is itself a separate, positive grant of power in addition to the other positive grants in the Constitution, and that therefore legal rules which States might have grounds to challenge as intruding on the general reservation of non-enumerated powers to the States in the 10th Amendment had they been regular acts of Congress standing alone were exercises of an enumerated power (the treaty power itself) when done through ratified treaty, or when done by statute to support such a treaty.
That decision also, however, suggests that negative prohibition on government action within the Constitution are limits on the treaty-making power, a point made more directly in Reid v. Covert 354 U.S. 1 (1957), among other cases.
So, contrary to your argument that both the statement that the treaty power extends beyond the other enumerated powers of Congress and the statement that the Constitution constrains treaties are assumptions with little foundation, both -- with the proviso that the constraint placed on the treaty power by the Constitution does not constrain it only to the space defined by other positive grants of power -- are extremely well-established principles of law has ruled unequivocally.
And his main beef, the reason for trying to blow up the Parliament, was the fact that England wasn't ruled by Catholics. Yeah, he's come a long way in 400 years.
Why is it said here that ACTA needs to be signed by 6 countries to apply worldwide? Sovereign nations are usualy not bound by international treaties they have not signed. There are a few exceptions but it would be surprising that they include ACTA.
To be fair, there's a lot of great American music (I'm American, BTW). However, almost none of it has been made in the last 15-20 years. You should make that law so it doesn't allow any American music from post-1995 on the radio at all.
Jazz music is very popular in Europe from what I read, especially France. It's American in origin, but not exactly new (one source says it became popular there in the 1920s).
It's mainly in the past couple decades that American culture has gone down the tubes.
thats fantastic.
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First, it's just a PR move of the prime minister. After shitstorm ensued on the streets he had to resort to something like that. He is a notorious liar, and will probably try to sneak it again later this year.
Second. Poland is bound by decisions of European Parliament. If ACTA passes in EU parliament it will be effective in Poland as well. At least in parts that don't define the criminal sanctions. We signed the EU treaty that is above our constitution and, by proxy, any law passed by EU becomes Polish law (again, with the exception of criminal sanctions, that's the business of each EU member).
So, if ACTA passes in EU parliament we are screwed anyway.
Hey, I'm Polish, but I'm bad with languages. (Plus the Golden Child was one of Murphy's best movies)
Vote monkeys into Congress. They are cheaper and more trustworthy.
I wouldn't put it above them.
Most likely it won't apply anywhere without six signatories, and then it will apply only on those who have ratified it.