Yep, I know about RH's policy of not pushing out new versions until they're really needed, but it's hell when you have to try to explain that to a under-knowledgeable security guy for the Federal Agency you're contracting for:
"Well, my security scan says you're using Apache version 2.0.40, but the latest version is 2.0.46, and there are security fixes in there that you'll need."
"I know, but my version of Apache has the security fixes back-ported to 2.0.40, so it's safe."
"uhh". Blank stare.
If you can come up with a good response that'll keep the dogs at bay, please share!:)
I think this is totally right, wish I had a mod point. Pretty interesting that "RedHat" will be going the way of the enterprise, while "Fedora" will be the community version.
Pretty cool, IMO.
Now, I just wish they'd update packages AND version numbers, so I can more easily satisfy silly Symantec / Norton port security scanning...:-P (say Hi, httpd-2.0.40- with- everything- up-to-47- added- but- not-the- version- number)
Yeah, I totally agree with what you're saying. Most of the time now I just say, "Sorry, I don't use windows any more..."
But the original "conversation" was some mom and dad talking to tech support about linux. If my relatives want to go for linux, then I'll be there to help (open-source community and all that:))
Not to pick on your nice thought, but if I put Linux on Mom & Dad's machine, you can be sure they'll be calling ME when something goes 'wrong', not the ISP.
In fact, if your parents don't call you already, even with their Windows questions, you must suck. Or be a bad child.
Damn, I was wondering what your business was that you were billing at 250 - 300 / hr, but then I read the rest of your post. Sounds pretty damn cool to me.:)
You sir, have obviously never been to America and are just spewing the anti-American propaganda you've heard... just as bad as Americans buying into every "U.S. good, them bad" nonsense.
I've never seen a gun in public other than a policeman's, and until I moved here where one of my neighbors was, I think, in jail, I never knew anyone who'd been in jail either.
America's quite a mild-manndered, peaceful place. You should visit someday.
Believe me, the "rah rah" of the good ol' bible thumpers bothers me as much as anyone. The trouble is, I expect it's the same everywhere: the "peasants" can't be bothered to learn anything but what the "praetors" tell them.
Take, for instance, the average islamic fundamentalist, who sees the U.S. as a festering swamp of debauchery (or some-such). It's not like the poor in the rest of the world are out there reading all sides of every issue any more than the uneducated in the U.S. are.
Just to be complete: I did actually spend 6 months studying in Wales, and did travel quite a lot while I was there.
Problem is, the average Joe here just doesn't care about the rest of the world. I wonder how much worse off the world would be if we took the Pat Robertson "lock the borders" approach... Probably much worse off, but who can say?
I think, if you'll notice, we've used the military rarely to accomplish that goal (spreading our way of life). Take a look at all the carrots we use to spread our ideas -- most of it is commercial - foreign direct investment. I think the U.S. has given away more in aid and assistance than any other nation. And yes, we've brought out the big stick when the leaders (whoever the were at the time) deigned it to be in their interest.
You're right, the 19 hijackers did want the world to be more like them. It's a game on a very real scale: We are winning at the moment, but since we're playing on "Nightmare" level, it's not too easy.:)
America already does lead by example, and some countries (obviously) don't agree. That's ok, I don't see us piling into Moscow on tanks to force them to come around to our way of life, do you?
My thoughts are getting scattered, so I'll leave it with this: Of course we're going to try to influence events in our favor, given the alternative. If we don't "impose" our will on the world, the world will impose on us, and I don't have a problem with PNAC trying to prevent it. I don't know all their positions, so I can't say if I agree with all their methods, but I hardly call it evil or immoral.
Oh, hell, one last thing: How do we know what the people of country X desire, if they're subjugated by a horrific regime smashing any attempts at alternative systems? (and don't try to say "that's America" because it's patently false)
Have you considered the idea that perhaps most Americans like the idea of making the world more like us? Just wondering...
Also, can you understand why the "Project" guys might/want/ to make the rest of the world more like the US? Could it be, perhaps, that we've had the world's greatest economy for a few generations and we'd like it if the rest of the world could do the same -- and all live without killing each other?
If the rest of the world "serves the interest of the US" that means we'll be pretty well-off. I don't see a problem with my leaders trying to make (and keep) us the best on the block.
Dude, there are cautionary stories on the networks EVERY NIGHT about bad things happening in the Gulf. There are also stories every night about the mess in Israel. If you don't think those are "questioning" what's going on, you're nuts.
I mean, come on now. I read a post a while back here from some guy defending lawyers... and it made some sense. But then you get this kind of nonsense, which is quite obviously a frivolous lawsuit -- and noone really gets anything but the damn lawyers involved...
And the lawyers wonder why we want the vast majority of them boiled in oil?
Oooohhhh Ahhhhhh my domain name pointed to a shitty "coming soon" page for two days!! The humanity!! I want to go bitch slap that guy.
If the user never sees that part of the filesystem directly, does it still count as a "filesystem", per se?
Also, it should be possible to build this thing directly on to drive partitions, in the same way Oracle can. Do that, and it's really not a "filesystem" in the same way we normally think of one, is it?
I'm curious to know if you have any sort of proof behind your statement that Linux is at least as "infectable" as Windows. I'm not so sure, I'm wondering why you are.
I'd also like to scrutinize your "ingeniously called support fee's (sic)" comment. Of course, this only applies to those of us with "legal" copies of all software, but last I checked, the support fees for Linux are completely voluntary, while license fees for any commercial software are not.
I expect the "forced upgrade cycle" argument is a fallacy on both sides: MS and their ilk push to 'force' upgrades, because they need the revenue. While you're right that Redhat doesn't support verion 6, I'm sure you could find/someone/ who will.
Finally, most modern distributions require no hunting down of patches. Apt for debian and others, up2date (or even apt) for RedHat.
You're right: The points can be argued, can't they?:)
Sorry Gorny but you'll have to come to the U.S. and pay attention for a little while before making a statement like yours, and when you do, your statement will be quite different.
I don't know where you're listening from, but there have been plenty of dissenting statements about our involvement in Iraq. Usually, they're the lead story on the national news broadcasts: Just last night, the lead story on NBC was about how the Pentagon made a mistake by planning 9 months for the war, but only 28 days for post-war. It was quite critical, and interesting.
Journalists who ask tough questions are not those who are banned from future press opportunities. Those who are banned, are banned for a reason other than asking tough questions: more likely, said journalist was abusive or disruptive. Numerous good reporters have been in DC, at the White House, for many years while asking difficult questions of those in charge. Helen Thomas was one (though she recently retired).
Yes, and how dare anyone have any extraneous fun with their system. We must all conform to the UI guidelines that someone else has given us!
Come on! There's nothing that says you have to use skins, or even the apps that have skins! But if you like them, or like programs that use them, or appreciate in the slightest the imagination that someone put into coming up with some new skin... give 'em a break.
"consistent and compatible environment" might be what you're looking for, but who are you to say what I should us on my desktop?
"waste" is a pretty harsh way of looking at someone getting some practice using GIMP, isn't it? Call it, "practicing graphic arts skills" or something and it doesn't sound so bad.
Maybe an interface for YOU doesn't make sense as an interface for ME. The nice thing about skins is YOU don't have to use MINE.
Slashdot Mirror
Good point, but here's something for you to chew on. Truth is different from Fact. At least in a philosophy 101 class I took many years ago. :)
Absolute belief in "truth" is what starts so many of the religious wars in this silly world.
You ding-a-ling, the whole point is that under any other system, there would BE no 3-mp cameras for GBP 99.
And you don't think the "17%" who are under the poverty line in the U.S. are better off than most of the rest of the world?
Now THAT's an explanation I can go for! :) Thanks, man
I think your "vast" amounts really equates to about a single drop of water in your bathtub...
Yep, I know about RH's policy of not pushing out new versions until they're really needed, but it's hell when you have to try to explain that to a under-knowledgeable security guy for the Federal Agency you're contracting for:
:)
"Well, my security scan says you're using Apache version 2.0.40, but the latest version is 2.0.46, and there are security fixes in there that you'll need."
"I know, but my version of Apache has the security fixes back-ported to 2.0.40, so it's safe."
"uhh". Blank stare.
If you can come up with a good response that'll keep the dogs at bay, please share!
I think this is totally right, wish I had a mod point. Pretty interesting that "RedHat" will be going the way of the enterprise, while "Fedora" will be the community version.
:-P (say Hi, httpd-2.0.40- with- everything- up-to-47- added- but- not-the- version- number)
Pretty cool, IMO.
Now, I just wish they'd update packages AND version numbers, so I can more easily satisfy silly Symantec / Norton port security scanning...
Yeah, I totally agree with what you're saying. Most of the time now I just say, "Sorry, I don't use windows any more..."
:))
But the original "conversation" was some mom and dad talking to tech support about linux. If my relatives want to go for linux, then I'll be there to help (open-source community and all that
Not to pick on your nice thought, but if I put Linux on Mom & Dad's machine, you can be sure they'll be calling ME when something goes 'wrong', not the ISP.
In fact, if your parents don't call you already, even with their Windows questions, you must suck. Or be a bad child.
Yeah, no doubt. "Oh, Feeeeeelings. Nothing more than feeeeeeeelings!" Gimme a break.
Damn, I was wondering what your business was that you were billing at 250 - 300 / hr, but then I read the rest of your post. Sounds pretty damn cool to me. :)
You sir, have obviously never been to America and are just spewing the anti-American propaganda you've heard... just as bad as Americans buying into every "U.S. good, them bad" nonsense.
I've never seen a gun in public other than a policeman's, and until I moved here where one of my neighbors was, I think, in jail, I never knew anyone who'd been in jail either.
America's quite a mild-manndered, peaceful place. You should visit someday.
Believe me, the "rah rah" of the good ol' bible thumpers bothers me as much as anyone. The trouble is, I expect it's the same everywhere: the "peasants" can't be bothered to learn anything but what the "praetors" tell them.
Take, for instance, the average islamic fundamentalist, who sees the U.S. as a festering swamp of debauchery (or some-such). It's not like the poor in the rest of the world are out there reading all sides of every issue any more than the uneducated in the U.S. are.
Just to be complete: I did actually spend 6 months studying in Wales, and did travel quite a lot while I was there.
Problem is, the average Joe here just doesn't care about the rest of the world. I wonder how much worse off the world would be if we took the Pat Robertson "lock the borders" approach... Probably much worse off, but who can say?
I think, if you'll notice, we've used the military rarely to accomplish that goal (spreading our way of life). Take a look at all the carrots we use to spread our ideas -- most of it is commercial - foreign direct investment. I think the U.S. has given away more in aid and assistance than any other nation. And yes, we've brought out the big stick when the leaders (whoever the were at the time) deigned it to be in their interest.
:)
You're right, the 19 hijackers did want the world to be more like them. It's a game on a very real scale: We are winning at the moment, but since we're playing on "Nightmare" level, it's not too easy.
America already does lead by example, and some countries (obviously) don't agree. That's ok, I don't see us piling into Moscow on tanks to force them to come around to our way of life, do you?
My thoughts are getting scattered, so I'll leave it with this: Of course we're going to try to influence events in our favor, given the alternative. If we don't "impose" our will on the world, the world will impose on us, and I don't have a problem with PNAC trying to prevent it. I don't know all their positions, so I can't say if I agree with all their methods, but I hardly call it evil or immoral.
Oh, hell, one last thing: How do we know what the people of country X desire, if they're subjugated by a horrific regime smashing any attempts at alternative systems? (and don't try to say "that's America" because it's patently false)
It may be crass, it may be sleazy, but it's hardly something I'd sue over.
When I had a new fence put in, they put their sign on it, and the contract says I have to leave it there for a year. Maybe I should sue them.
It's a web site... and it's for a couple days. I don't see the point of getting worked up about it.
For 2 days? For a frigging web site? Nope, I don't mind a bit.
Have you considered the idea that perhaps most Americans like the idea of making the world more like us? Just wondering...
/want/ to make the rest of the world more like the US? Could it be, perhaps, that we've had the world's greatest economy for a few generations and we'd like it if the rest of the world could do the same -- and all live without killing each other?
Also, can you understand why the "Project" guys might
If the rest of the world "serves the interest of the US" that means we'll be pretty well-off. I don't see a problem with my leaders trying to make (and keep) us the best on the block.
Dude, there are cautionary stories on the networks EVERY NIGHT about bad things happening in the Gulf. There are also stories every night about the mess in Israel. If you don't think those are "questioning" what's going on, you're nuts.
I mean, come on now. I read a post a while back here from some guy defending lawyers... and it made some sense. But then you get this kind of nonsense, which is quite obviously a frivolous lawsuit -- and noone really gets anything but the damn lawyers involved...
And the lawyers wonder why we want the vast majority of them boiled in oil?
Oooohhhh Ahhhhhh my domain name pointed to a shitty "coming soon" page for two days!! The humanity!! I want to go bitch slap that guy.
Not to be a wang or anything, but the video is named F-18.MPEG, and it's an F-14...
If the user never sees that part of the filesystem directly, does it still count as a "filesystem", per se?
Also, it should be possible to build this thing directly on to drive partitions, in the same way Oracle can. Do that, and it's really not a "filesystem" in the same way we normally think of one, is it?
I'm curious to know if you have any sort of proof behind your statement that Linux is at least as "infectable" as Windows. I'm not so sure, I'm wondering why you are.
/someone/ who will.
:)
I'd also like to scrutinize your "ingeniously called support fee's (sic)" comment. Of course, this only applies to those of us with "legal" copies of all software, but last I checked, the support fees for Linux are completely voluntary, while license fees for any commercial software are not.
I expect the "forced upgrade cycle" argument is a fallacy on both sides: MS and their ilk push to 'force' upgrades, because they need the revenue. While you're right that Redhat doesn't support verion 6, I'm sure you could find
Finally, most modern distributions require no hunting down of patches. Apt for debian and others, up2date (or even apt) for RedHat.
You're right: The points can be argued, can't they?
Sorry Gorny but you'll have to come to the U.S. and pay attention for a little while before making a statement like yours, and when you do, your statement will be quite different.
I don't know where you're listening from, but there have been plenty of dissenting statements about our involvement in Iraq. Usually, they're the lead story on the national news broadcasts: Just last night, the lead story on NBC was about how the Pentagon made a mistake by planning 9 months for the war, but only 28 days for post-war. It was quite critical, and interesting.
Journalists who ask tough questions are not those who are banned from future press opportunities. Those who are banned, are banned for a reason other than asking tough questions: more likely, said journalist was abusive or disruptive. Numerous good reporters have been in DC, at the White House, for many years while asking difficult questions of those in charge. Helen Thomas was one (though she recently retired).
Now THAT, I agree with... Come on people, at least TRY to be original.
Yes, and how dare anyone have any extraneous fun with their system. We must all conform to the UI guidelines that someone else has given us!
Come on! There's nothing that says you have to use skins, or even the apps that have skins! But if you like them, or like programs that use them, or appreciate in the slightest the imagination that someone put into coming up with some new skin... give 'em a break.
"consistent and compatible environment" might be what you're looking for, but who are you to say what I should us on my desktop?
"waste" is a pretty harsh way of looking at someone getting some practice using GIMP, isn't it? Call it, "practicing graphic arts skills" or something and it doesn't sound so bad.
Maybe an interface for YOU doesn't make sense as an interface for ME. The nice thing about skins is YOU don't have to use MINE.