I guess what I'm asking is: how often do our current best, well-maintained facilities malfunction? Even if you listed all of the "disasters," there'd only be a few. And those would typically be the bad ones.
But you'll have to explain: how many people died in each of those?
Furthermore, citing a few examples after I criticized you for only citing one likely isn't going to change my mind. You'll need to cite a lot more than that, they'll need to be examples of our best technology malfunctioning, and it'll need to have been a disaster. Not just a partial meltdown where no one died. If you expect to convince me, that is.
There is a different when the something bad is "power station explodes, 1000 dead, fires are now out and its safe"
Oh, it doesn't end there. All the pollution kills many more and degrades the general quality of life.
Sorry, but to me, as long as the plants are properly maintained (and even if they're not), the chances of a disaster are small enough that I'm willing to take the risk.
Was the mistake in not knowing what strawman meant or was it a result of not being able to comprehend my comment at all?
A mistake? I thought it was clear that it's all a big conspiracy to make you look stupid on the internet.
No, it was the result of misreading a comment. Go figure.
You just changed up the attack from "strawman" to "pedantic".
Right. And I stand by my subjective use of the word "pedantic." There's nothing wrong with changing your argument.
To me this means that you have an agenda.
Uh... okay. I've got to admit, you're good. It's all one big conspiracy.
The important thing is the attack in and of itself.
Yeah, you're really taking my comments too seriously. You seem (from my point of view) to be getting offended about absolutely nothing, and interpreting everything as an "attack." I did not mean it that way, and I don't know why you think I did.
It is baseless.
I already explained: whether someone is pedantic or not is subjective. Therefore, it is only my opinion that you're being pedantic. And I stand by that.
We have already shown that you would have to be a moron to accidentally get the strawman thing wrong
Oh, I see. Is that all it takes to make someone a "moron"? Have you ever made a single mistake? Did that make you a "moron"?
Attacking the single most damaging part of your post against me and dismissing it as blatantly wrong is hardly what I or anyone else would truthfully call pedantic.
Oh, I see. You're misinterpreting me. I said I thought you were being pedantic by interpreting his statement literally. You seemed to have taken it to mean, "The US and everything it does is absolutely evil." I said: I'm sure that's not what he literally meant.
Since I can now state that you did comprehend it we are left with you knowing you were wrong or you having no clue what "Strawman" means.
Again, a misinterpretation. I was talking about labeling you as "pedantic."
I think you're taking my comment a bit seriously here. "Blatant lie"? Really? What would I have to gain from that? Perhaps it was just a mistake?
And what did I ignore? Perhaps I just accepted the mistake and moved on.
My belief though is that he thinks exactly that way.
Why? Do you mean everything you say literally? Unless he said that's exactly what he meant, how would you know? And even if he did mean that, why would you think he's wrong? Depending on his definition of "evil," they may very well fit into it.
I say again: "Have you ever said, "I hate you" to someone who you got into a fight with (whether or not you did, it happens)?"
Not everything everyone says is meant to be taken literally, you know.
You strawman accusation was baseless at best as is your calling it pedantic.
Actually, it's not baseless: "pedantic" is a subjective term. I am of the opinion that you were and are being pedantic.
That you know your attacks are wrong but are doing them anyway.
Oh? So you're pretending to know what I think now? I could easily do the same to you.
I think that next you should go right to calling me a racist, homophobic God freak.
I don't really see anything wrong with "obscenities." But that said, the internet is not like real life in that it's much harder to catch the people, there's no "screaming," and it's very simple to ignore.
But I'd say they aren't correct in doing that unless you're constantly harassing the person.
Say whatever you what, but if the sole reason you are speaking is to cause harm to another then most people would consider that worthy of being illegal.
And where does it end? What about replying to someone's Youtube comment in a way that offends them? Even if you intended to offend them, do you think anything should happen to you? Honestly, unless actual damage was 'clearly' done (not just someone getting offended), I really don't think anything should happen. There are different levels of "harm," after all. Do we really want to go after people trolling a Youtube comment section, for instance?
How do you even prove what someone was thinking at the time they made the comment, anyway? It seems unenforceable.
My argument attacking that statement is in no way a "Strawman argument".
You already said that. I didn't say it was a straw man after you pointed that out the first time. So I don't know why you're replying to me as if I mentioned any straw man arguments in my second comment.
As I said, it seems like it's just a statement from someone who is sick of the current state of affairs. Have you ever said, "I hate you" to someone who you got into a fight with (whether or not you did, it happens). You needn't take everything literally. So while it may not have been a straw man, I'd say you were looking into it too deeply.
Careful now. When it comes to children, people might actually think that's a good idea. Especially since it's "child pornographers" we're talking about.
No strawman here. The US justice system is not evil. The US is not evil.
That's your opinion.
But I think you're just being pedantic here. Do you think anyone really meant, "Everything the US does is evil"? That statement, to me, seems to be coming from someone fed up with abuses of power.
I do not think that you have any idea what evil is.
Its definition is up to the individual to decide.
That said, you seem to be creating a straw man, considering that I don't see anyone saying, "Everything the US does is bad and corrupt." in a literal manner.
Well, at least there are games without nonsensical DRM and the entire platform isn't locked down. There are games with DRM obviously, but you just have to avoid buying them (don't even pirate them: that's free advertising that they don't deserve).
That may be so, but they are similar situations in that everyone is being punished (in different ways, obviously) for the actions of a few. Much like with DRM, the TSA, the Patriot Act, etc.
And let us spend ridiculous amounts of taxpayer dollars trying to shut down more websites that aren't even hosted in the country so that we can gain absolutely nothing from doing so!
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I guess what I'm asking is: how often do our current best, well-maintained facilities malfunction? Even if you listed all of the "disasters," there'd only be a few. And those would typically be the bad ones.
And compared to coal?
But you'll have to explain: how many people died in each of those?
Furthermore, citing a few examples after I criticized you for only citing one likely isn't going to change my mind. You'll need to cite a lot more than that, they'll need to be examples of our best technology malfunctioning, and it'll need to have been a disaster. Not just a partial meltdown where no one died. If you expect to convince me, that is.
Therefore, it never happened.
But when did I say one was?
The Earth is only 6,000 years old! Therefore, this doesn't exist. Or God just planted evidence to test our faith.
There is a different when the something bad is "power station explodes, 1000 dead, fires are now out and its safe"
Oh, it doesn't end there. All the pollution kills many more and degrades the general quality of life.
Sorry, but to me, as long as the plants are properly maintained (and even if they're not), the chances of a disaster are small enough that I'm willing to take the risk.
Poorly maintained, poorly planned, and but a single example.
Was the mistake in not knowing what strawman meant or was it a result of not being able to comprehend my comment at all?
A mistake? I thought it was clear that it's all a big conspiracy to make you look stupid on the internet.
No, it was the result of misreading a comment. Go figure.
You just changed up the attack from "strawman" to "pedantic".
Right. And I stand by my subjective use of the word "pedantic." There's nothing wrong with changing your argument.
To me this means that you have an agenda.
Uh... okay. I've got to admit, you're good. It's all one big conspiracy.
The important thing is the attack in and of itself.
Yeah, you're really taking my comments too seriously. You seem (from my point of view) to be getting offended about absolutely nothing, and interpreting everything as an "attack." I did not mean it that way, and I don't know why you think I did.
It is baseless.
I already explained: whether someone is pedantic or not is subjective. Therefore, it is only my opinion that you're being pedantic. And I stand by that.
We have already shown that you would have to be a moron to accidentally get the strawman thing wrong
Oh, I see. Is that all it takes to make someone a "moron"? Have you ever made a single mistake? Did that make you a "moron"?
Attacking the single most damaging part of your post against me and dismissing it as blatantly wrong is hardly what I or anyone else would truthfully call pedantic.
Oh, I see. You're misinterpreting me. I said I thought you were being pedantic by interpreting his statement literally. You seemed to have taken it to mean, "The US and everything it does is absolutely evil." I said: I'm sure that's not what he literally meant.
Since I can now state that you did comprehend it we are left with you knowing you were wrong or you having no clue what "Strawman" means.
Again, a misinterpretation. I was talking about labeling you as "pedantic."
Because the government is known for keeping their facili. . . wait, their anything up to date and current?
Then I don't know what to do. Let's all just live in caves, seeing as how even coal plants are extremely dangerous when something goes wrong.
Honestly, this "Something bad could happen. Ban it!" mentality is, in my opinion, just plain paranoia. There aren't enough accidents to warrant it.
I don't see any good reasons for them. They're being overly paranoid about unlikely scenarios (unless the plants are poorly taken care of and old).
What you did was ignore the blatant lie
I think you're taking my comment a bit seriously here. "Blatant lie"? Really? What would I have to gain from that? Perhaps it was just a mistake?
And what did I ignore? Perhaps I just accepted the mistake and moved on.
My belief though is that he thinks exactly that way.
Why? Do you mean everything you say literally? Unless he said that's exactly what he meant, how would you know? And even if he did mean that, why would you think he's wrong? Depending on his definition of "evil," they may very well fit into it.
I say again: "Have you ever said, "I hate you" to someone who you got into a fight with (whether or not you did, it happens)?"
Not everything everyone says is meant to be taken literally, you know.
You strawman accusation was baseless at best as is your calling it pedantic.
Actually, it's not baseless: "pedantic" is a subjective term. I am of the opinion that you were and are being pedantic.
That you know your attacks are wrong but are doing them anyway.
Oh? So you're pretending to know what I think now? I could easily do the same to you.
I think that next you should go right to calling me a racist, homophobic God freak.
Not even remotely related.
I don't really see anything wrong with "obscenities." But that said, the internet is not like real life in that it's much harder to catch the people, there's no "screaming," and it's very simple to ignore.
But I'd say they aren't correct in doing that unless you're constantly harassing the person.
Say whatever you what, but if the sole reason you are speaking is to cause harm to another then most people would consider that worthy of being illegal.
And where does it end? What about replying to someone's Youtube comment in a way that offends them? Even if you intended to offend them, do you think anything should happen to you? Honestly, unless actual damage was 'clearly' done (not just someone getting offended), I really don't think anything should happen. There are different levels of "harm," after all. Do we really want to go after people trolling a Youtube comment section, for instance?
How do you even prove what someone was thinking at the time they made the comment, anyway? It seems unenforceable.
You have the right to not be offended. Right?
My argument attacking that statement is in no way a "Strawman argument".
You already said that. I didn't say it was a straw man after you pointed that out the first time. So I don't know why you're replying to me as if I mentioned any straw man arguments in my second comment.
As I said, it seems like it's just a statement from someone who is sick of the current state of affairs. Have you ever said, "I hate you" to someone who you got into a fight with (whether or not you did, it happens). You needn't take everything literally. So while it may not have been a straw man, I'd say you were looking into it too deeply.
Careful now. When it comes to children, people might actually think that's a good idea. Especially since it's "child pornographers" we're talking about.
Banning the internet might be a better example.
No strawman here. The US justice system is not evil. The US is not evil.
That's your opinion.
But I think you're just being pedantic here. Do you think anyone really meant, "Everything the US does is evil"? That statement, to me, seems to be coming from someone fed up with abuses of power.
I do not think that you have any idea what evil is.
Its definition is up to the individual to decide.
That said, you seem to be creating a straw man, considering that I don't see anyone saying, "Everything the US does is bad and corrupt." in a literal manner.
Funny how after reading the post that there is a part of your brain that actively blocks you from seeing anything good about the US.
I didn't see anyone say that.
Saying, "But other countries do bad things too!" does not mean the US is good overall.
Well, at least there are games without nonsensical DRM and the entire platform isn't locked down. There are games with DRM obviously, but you just have to avoid buying them (don't even pirate them: that's free advertising that they don't deserve).
That may be so, but they are similar situations in that everyone is being punished (in different ways, obviously) for the actions of a few. Much like with DRM, the TSA, the Patriot Act, etc.
not mere deprivation of access to one's data.
A small evil is still an evil.
Shut up and think of the children!
And let us spend ridiculous amounts of taxpayer dollars trying to shut down more websites that aren't even hosted in the country so that we can gain absolutely nothing from doing so!
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I'm a buttnude extremist! I have the power! I have the Gamemaker!
You agree with me 100%. That's why you're cowering in the corner and trying to save your public image by saying you're right. But you know otherwise. You know you're 100% wrong."
Your ad hominem attacks will never defeat my arguments based in logic.
A mere clone! Get out of here! You're a mere eyesore!
Gamemaker is the greatest. "Slashdot" and your experts (you) have been utterly annihilated. Now return to Gamemakerdom.
You will never get my cheeks to boil! Accept it. Move along, clone. An obvious clone such as you will never make my cheeks boil.
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I am one who cannot be defeated by someone like you. You, one who doesn't even use Gamemaker, cannot possibly hope to comprehend my true ferocity!
I'm a buttnude extremist! I have the power! I have the Gamemaker!
You agree with me 100%. That's why you're cowering in the corner and trying to save your public image by saying you're right. But you know otherwise. You know you're 100% wrong.