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More Fuel For Facebook Censorship Advocates In India
thodelu writes "Close on the heels of Friday's communal clashes in a town in India that were triggered by a Facebook post which contained morphed images apparently deriding a religious place of worship, there has been another incident. City police have removed images from another similar blog post citing 'cyber criminal' laws. There has been an ongoing effort in India to censor the web which would get more backing as a result of these events. Could we be seeing another Great Firewall of China?"
... in India, Facebook blamed. Same results probably would have occurred if dead-tree distribution was used, although it's less likely such would make Slashdot.
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Of course, incompetent, racist and corrupt governments want censorship. They do not want you to know the truth about them, any other use is purely opportunistic
Really, why dont they look at the root cause, which is the communal tension and try to solve them. Oh wait, it is politicians that incite such communal hatred for political reason.
What we need is less religion, not more censorship...
Sticks and stones will break my bones but facebook posts will never hurt me.
If all that facebook is done is hurt your pride. Get over it.
Authorities from the town of Sangareddy have determined that rioting and arson have caused over $2000 in IMPROVEMENTS!!!!!!!
The article states that a young man posted a photo on Facebook which offended several people.
Several of those offended people decided to protest peacefully in front of a police station demanding his arrest.
Other people decided to protest violently by burning cars, smashing in window stores and just generally acting like idiots.
Instituting a nationwide internet censorship policy won't address the problem: impulsive, destructive people whose first course of action is violence.
Some people got trolled on the internet and responded with violence. They don't deserve any sympathy.
Wouldn't it be simpler to just outlaw religion, the real cause of this and most other problems in the world?
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
They should probably encourage facebook to keep up the good work...
Nothing intensifies feelings of religious entitlement(that, when violated, swiftly turn to violence) like continual cringing deference and nothing dissipates those feelings like a continual bilateral exchange of ridicule.
It bloody well took long enough; but thanks to the scoffers, freethinkers, and scurrilous pamphleteers(Oh, and those guys were scurrilous. Trolls respect your elders....) most of the western world can't even distinguish between a Lutheran and a Methodist, much less excitedly tell you why burning one of the two at stake is an immediate necessity. Heck, unitarians the last major surviving heresy(Arianism, Socinianism, and Catharism didn't do quite so well) are now considered to be risibly bland liberals, rather than barely-christian heretics. Even the good, old, Catholic/Protestant bloodbath just isn't what it might be. You've still got a few belligerent, probably whiskey-soaked, Irish fighting; but outside of that knowledge and care about the theological and doctrinal differences is probably at an all-time low, particularly when you consider that the ability to inform yourself if interested is at an all time high.
It takes time; but success through mockery that gradually degenerates into sheer apathy is the way to go! Censorship is an attractive short-term plan; but it will have you travelling away from the slackutopia, where nobody gives enough of a fuck to go to the trouble of brutal communal violence.
Could we be seeing another Great Firewall of China?
No, this is the beginning of the great Wirewall of India: http://www.photopumpkin.com/wp-content/uploads/electric_wire_3.jpg
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We won't see it. We'll see it at -1 in short order. The United States us a bunch of spineless hypocrites.
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The root cause of THIS problem are badly behaved 'youths' rioting and breaking other serious laws. Like those same 'youths' of a 'certain religious group' who rioted, burnt, looted and murdered when somebody in Denmark put some rude pictures in the newspaper.
I think we've already established the basic principle that there is no right not to be offended. The only way we'll teach people this very basic lesson, especially those belonging to a 'certain religious group', is to use force. Force is one language that uncultured and illiterate people throughout the world, truly understand.
So why not just read the rioters the proverbial Riot Act and then kick their asses? Rioting and looting is an extremely serious offence with no moral justification.
The Chinese block shit for the sole rational purpose of absolute POWER. The Indians will block shit because of some delusional religious bullshit. Which is why China will win.
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Religion has always been close to people heart in India. Violence in the name of religion is an oxymoron but then this is realty (this is how mature the people are). Either people learn to make sensible posts (in a totally free channel) or the freedom to express will be taken away... surely this is only fair!
Everywhere I look, I could decide that something that someone else has said, posted (tacked a flyer to a wall, or made a comment on the interweb) offends me. Some things I read in my local newspaper are offensive to me. A lot of things I read in comment sections are offensive. But I decided a long time ago to not feel offended by people remotely related to me. A neighbor who has a brother who lives five hundred miles away might not like me; I have found that being a decent person and defending my beliefs have encouraed my neighbors to do the same. This is an issue that confronts 'global society'. I would encourage everybody that has a facebook account to go talk to the people who live around you and learn something. Also, for those that say social networking is at tool for revolution, i agree. It most certainly is and if you are using facebook, twitter, or any other version to talk about social revolution, I am on your side. If you are tweeting about a club or snookie, you already lost any respect I might have, The internet is a tool well utilized by several, by most, it is a hammer being swung at a thumb tack.
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Try posting a picture of a woman breastfeeding. It is banned because it offends the American Puritans.
Why shouldn't Facebook also cater to other religions? Their goal is to increase profits, so it makes sense to make the maximum number of customers happy.
what if they find that you are an enemy whacko (as in fact majority of such people would) ? Would you still opt for freedom of action to clean up the environment?
Actually, what really is needed is self-humor, the capacity to look at yourself and see the joke. This isn't always as straight forward as it seems. Take the series, Yes Prime Minister. In it hacker does the list of how the nature of the average EU civil servant. The generosity of the dutch, the organization of the Italians, the humanity of the Germans, etc etc. But conspicuous by its absence is any reference to a British trait. The series make a lot of fun of politicians and civil servants but not of Brits themselves. The voter is barely touched upon despite that they are obviously idiots for electing Hacker in the first place.
There are Italian films where a catholic priest talks to Jesus and has a friendly rivalry with the communist major. It shows how Italy is often surprisingly liberal in its actual laws because while the church is important, it isn't taken entirely serious. As in, people know that while obviously life should be as the church dictates, it isn't and that is alright. It is the different between someone who has cut down on meat and a PETA activist who frots at the mouth at the sign of a human owning a cat.
Most religious groups have learned to take themselves not to serious. Jews are best known for this, you can't move for Jewish comedians. Muslim comedians? Not so much. And gosh, that certainly seems to be a religion represented in a lot of conflicts around the world. It is not as if other fates have never been to bloody serious but Islam right now is at a stage incompatible with the rest of the world. To be fair, no other religion has had to deal with such complexities. Most religions learned to adjust to a multi-cultural world early on with their main group contained within their own region. Sure there were Christian missionaries during the renaissance but they were easily digested.
Islam suddenly spread into a world where religious identity has had to be suppressed because there are just to many others, while at the same time exposing the radical differences within the religion itself. Take Erdogans warmongering with Israel. Complains about 9 Turks killed so that the press is to busy being spoonfed to notice that dozens are killed each day in Turkish occupation of Kurdish lands. Syria is not about human rights but about which faction within Islam has control over the other. The countries that are for or against intervention are neatly divided along these faction lines.
It creates a real identity crisis, who are you as a Muslim? And that doesn't work well with someone poking fun at you, either from inside or outside. Note how carefully western media avoids making jokes about Muslims. Nothing new, blacks were treated the same at some point. Kids gloves so as not to offend those who were not mature enough as a group to handle a joke. No, someone being PC is often not doing it out of a sense of equality in my opinion.
But the PCness leads to cultural isolation. Watch a program like QI, it is awfully white. Most TV is. I can remember only one black person, a comedian. This again leads the group condemned with PCness to have even a greater identity crisis. Where are the role models? The people to show there is an alternative then the models shown by the sattelite tv from back home?
When your identity is lost and no new one is available, you tend to defend what little remains with a vengance.
See Muslims in Europe purposefully dressing the same despite most being fully well aware it will only increase the perception of themselves in a negative way if you pressed them on it. Better belong to your own small marginalized group then be part of the greater anonymous void.
Lets not forget that movies like a "Life of Brian" saw plenty of protest. Peaceful to be sure but that was just because this movie was at the END of the process. Not the beginning. The beginning wasn't nice at all and plenty died so that we can laugh about western religions.
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Non of the articles linked above state
1. The name of the politician who posted the picture on his FB Account?
2. What was offensive about the picture.
3. How did the riots start
http://www.deccanchronicle.com/node/109255
http://postnoon.com/2012/03/30/sangareddy-erupts-in-violence/40619
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This is how it works in India...or anywhere... Some months back the Indian people decided they were going to fight corruption, they organized via facebook, twitter et. al. and caused MASSIVE headaches for the govt. The govt. realized they needed to do something about it. So they hire a couple of idiots to post some "offensive" photos, then hire some goons to start a "communal" war and then censor the net in the name of "peace". Almost ALL communal riots in India follow a similar pattern.
India by far as the most cry babies per population in the world, if not about muhammad eating a hotdog, it's about a picture of a temple or it's about being able to google a picture someone does like etc....
All of India needs to grow up, this is getting out of control, they can't keep calling mom everytime someone looks at them funny or because someone makes a face. If you as a person don't want to use the internet don't use it, other wise leave the rest of the world alone, I'm sick of hearing about some Indian getting pissed off because they act like 5 year olds.
If this results in Internet censorship or another great firewall, that can't be too good for the Indian outsourcing industry.
Would you let a team of outsourced programmers work on your code if they cannot access the websites they need to do their jobs? Or of they can't communicate with your on-site developers using the same sites that everybody else uses?
Or if they can't access the website that you're developing as a company?
Don't think so. They're just shooting themselves in the foot over there.
drop fucking religion.