Then how come not ONE of the teaching professionals in my family shares this 'woe is us' attitude? Ever single one of them LOVES the profession, in large part because of the extra down time.
No need to stoop to name calling either, a fine teacher I'm sure you were. (Jack of all trades, master of none I presume?)
OK, first off, what the hell was with your lead in post?
Second and on what is apparently the topic: If as an employer, you treat your employees like that always, don't be surprised if you have NO employees when you need them. Fuck off you fucking dickweed. YOU are what is wrong with this fucking situation. Go put a hole in your head or something equally productive for society.
We're talking Comedic games here, not games that have a few one liners and funny moments in them. I believe there is a big difference. What is sad is that there isn't much you could put on a list of true comedic games.
Yep, that's why Duke Nukem sucked ass so incredibly bad. Sure, it was a combo of violence AND comedy, but to conclude that the lack of comedic games is because it's not what people want...not bloody likely. More likely is that NO ONE DOES IT.
Maybe you're right though, they stopped making comedic movies and television shows YEARS ago for this very reason didn't they?
Maybe if someone actually TRIED, we might find that it actually works!
I keep hearing this. Tell you what, YOU show me just how incredibly easy it is. I'll even let you do it solo. Show me a reasonable competetive routine down at the pool today without drowning or looking like a pathetic wimp and I'll personally ensure you never have to see the sport on the screen again.
Can someone explain why men are so incredibly threatened by a dozen buff women in bathing suits performing strenuous physical excercise? In unison no less?
Sorry, but I have trouble even remotely giving such a brief comment any credence whatsoever. I'm not sure what you intend one to draw from that, but if you're so oppressed and we have it so incredibly good...how is it that you're posting here on/.?
You put words in my mouth. Why I don't know, but you do.
1) I did NOT suggest that I wanted to be a teacher. 2) I did NOT complain about how cushy teachers have it. I merely responded to the defence of their wanting more off time.
In other words, you're arguing with the wrong guy here. Please stop.
You respond as if I wrote the gospel of console promotion and sales.
I was quite obviously generalizing. It is a quite well accepted fact that the 3 consoles have slightly different target markets. I really do not need to explain this to you, so I shouldn't bother, but hey. Nintendo is MOSTLY for kids. XBox is MOSTLY for the college crowd. PS is MOSTLY for the post-education crowd. XBox and Sony share a large amount of territory though. Nintendo is the only one with much market separation.
Now lets quit being so pedantic and move on with the issues at hand shall we?
Anyone can put together a very similar rant for just about any job out there. Not all jobs are for everyone. I know altogether WAY too many people that work 12 hour days 6 days a week, are capped at or much lower than 60k, only get 2 or 3 weeks vacation a year...There is nothing special about the teaching profession in that sense. What is special is the amount of down time they get.
I have a number of family members that are teachers. They darned well do get 2 months off for the summer. Schools out mid June. Year end work for the teachers is another week after that, but deffinately done by July. July & August are off. In for a couple days before the kids last few days of August/first few of Sept. Never mind 2 weeks off at Christmas, and a week in the spring. That's ELEVEN WEEKS. They have NO business bitching about how 'little' down time they have.
I'd like more time off too. Who wouldn't. Teachers are nothing special in this area, but are VERY likely to be looked down upon by everyone else when they start bitching about how rough they have it.
You need to change workplaces, or industries, or something. It can't be worth it.
And yes, I agree. I can't STAND teachers whining about their hours. Over worked my ass. But you know what they say: Those that can, do, those that can't, teach.
Yes, that is a great idea for sure and I am starting to use my time in a similar manner. Actually, my father has managed to work out his job just so, such that combining his vacation time and his stats, he only works 4 day weeks and gets 2 weeks full vacation as well.
Now, he does work in an industry where he was able to manipulate flex time to his advantage to help, since he doesn't get 10 weeks holiday. (Who does? heh) But he works an extra hour every day. (Gee, a whole 9 hour day;) Bank all that, a bit of shuffling, and voila! Every single week of the year is a 4 day work week.
That's not healthy you know. But whatever, to each their own.
What I would suggest though is that you take that time off from your _regular_ job, and apply that dedication to another enterprise or whatever if you really don't know how to take vacation time for yourself. You might be surprised at what other interests you can fulfill. And at the same time, you wouldn't be undermining everyone elses need for adequate vacation time.
I'm hoping you don't seriously think that was all there was to it.
Trust me, lack of productivity was noticed first, supported by numerous complaints that all he did was slash all day. Every time one of us would go by his cube, he'd be reading slash. The logs were just the final proof in his exit interview.
It's not always that simple. I've done that in the past. It wasn't feasible this time around.
It wasn't so much losing the vacation time, it was being told I would be compensated flat out no question, and then completely ignored for 5 months when pressing for said compensation.
Basically I could have taken that time sometime this spring if I'd forced the issue, but this would have put me in a position where I would have been perceived as not doing my job. I already get 1 week more than most people of my station where I work. (Good negotiating skills at a time when the company wouldn't give a monetary raise) To take 7 weeks this year, when my manager has changed and our department is in total flux...I would be out of a job, guaranteed. Pathetic, and it disgusts me, but it's internal politics which exist everywhere.
Is there ANYONE on this side of the ocean working in the private tech industry that has a somewhat reasonable amount of vacation time and has no problem taking it?
Anyways, all I'm really getting at is I think the world would be a MUCH better place if it was simply standard to have 8 weeks a year, for EVERYONE. Regardless of their station in life. If there was a standard, it would be a heck of a lot less likely that you'd feel internal pressure to NOT take what you deserve.
Oh, and to all of you out there that have lots of vacation time and refuse to use it year after year after year: Quit it. You're sick, and you're not doing the rest of us any favors!!! If you're really that driven, think what you could accomplish doing something else for a couple of weeks out of the year! Diversify a bit!;)
Absolutely. And I do take my vacation whenever I can.
This last year though, it was my 2 weeks over christmas that got pissed away, not a planned booked trip to hawaii or anything. Point to note, and for my own ref in the future: The company has NO FUCKING BUSINESS knowing WHAT I do with my time off. It doesn't matter whether I've got a flight booked, or am spending 2 weeks at home with my family, but they WILL take advantage of a perceived difference if given half a chance.
Trust me, next time they ship late, and it's their own fucking problem, NOT mine.
What I mean is that the wholesale conversion from VHS to DVD that occurred over the past 5 years or so is pretty much guaranteed not to happen again.
Case in point, look at the music industry. Oh how they've tried to get everyone to re-purchase everything they've already paid for within the past 10 years. Some do. Some don't. Some will eventually. Some never will. Some still have stacks of vinyl kicking around.
But yes, this is exactly why it does make sense for Sony to include blu-ray. If they don't, it's dead, and they get no slice of the next-gen media pie, no matter how big or small that pie ends up being.
I've managed to scratch my way up to 5 weeks of vacation over the years. I've had that for 2 years now. Sounds great right? Yeah, if I could actually freaking take them. You try taking 5 weeks throughout the year when your stupid manager only gets 3. It's pretty easy to see that time slip through your finger tips. Sure, you must get compensated, but I don't want an extra 2 weeks of pay that just gets taken in taxes fer christ sakes!
We absolutely work too hard. I'd be more inclined to be happy with very little time off if I was responsible for saving peoples lives every day. But when I do this to line some assholes wallet? Is it worth it? HELL NO!!! The problem is, it sure beats the lines down at the soup kitchen.
That's what our last JR developer kept saying to us when we'd pull up his usage logs, until we pulled up his code checkin logs that were all but empty and showed him the door.
Balance balance balance. Why must everything be black and white, nothing is that simple!
I don't know what marketting stats you're looking at, but me thinks you're way off.
Nintendo targets parents for sales. Thus a cheap, simple console with enough catchy features that the kids will scream for to ensure more sales via parents.
MS targets college fanboys that will gladly buy their console with next months rent.
Sony has ALWAYS targetted the market that actually has money in the bank. And I don't just mean with consoles. This is Sony we're talking about here after all.
You mistakenly think most people that will buy a PS3 _know_ anything about the various competing future formats, let alone _care_.
For most, it's a game console, period. Hardly ANYONE bought a PS2 _because_ it was a dvd player...that was an after-the-fact thing that turns out DID add value to the PS2 and DID help drive the dvd market, but it did NOT particularly drive the PS2 market.
Bottom line is it certainly can't hurt sales if the PS3 is fully backwards compatible, plays dvd's still, AND allows sony to use blue-ray. What, sony SHOULDN'T push their format? lol. The only concern is whether this decision will price them out of the market. And there is all but no chance it will do that.
On the other side of the coin however, there IS a good chance that Blu-ray WILL succeed. Much better chance actually if it IS in the PS3 from the get go.
From my perspective, I don't give a flying hoop. I'm not going out and replacing my TV YET AGAIN anyways, along with the rest of my entertainment centre, my entire DVD collection...shit, I keep looking at my piles of VHS tapes going I sure wish I still had a decent VHS player kicking around so those weren't a _complete_ waste.
People WILL have a limit on how many times they will buy the exact same damned thing on a slightly different media.
Seen that commercial recently where this guy's showing off a 50" TV and all of a sudden this big voice goes "But the screen in a REAL theatre is FIFTY FEET WIDE". How many minor increments of "better" do you think we're going to buy into?
So yeah, I don't expect blu-ray, or any of the others, to change the world by any means. I also don't think most people care. But I also can't blame sony for giving er a go. No skin off my back.
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Of COURSE it was, that was my point!
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Sorry, I forgot the sarcasm tags, thought that was pretty obvious
Then how come not ONE of the teaching professionals in my family shares this 'woe is us' attitude? Ever single one of them LOVES the profession, in large part because of the extra down time.
No need to stoop to name calling either, a fine teacher I'm sure you were. (Jack of all trades, master of none I presume?)
What the FUCK?
OK, first off, what the hell was with your lead in post?
Second and on what is apparently the topic:
If as an employer, you treat your employees like that always, don't be surprised if you have NO employees when you need them. Fuck off you fucking dickweed. YOU are what is wrong with this fucking situation. Go put a hole in your head or something equally productive for society.
But is it demonstrably worse on the whole than every other job out there?
That's all I'm saying. Most jobs suck in this respect, just in different ways.
We're talking Comedic games here, not games that have a few one liners and funny moments in them. I believe there is a big difference. What is sad is that there isn't much you could put on a list of true comedic games.
Yep, that's why Duke Nukem sucked ass so incredibly bad. Sure, it was a combo of violence AND comedy, but to conclude that the lack of comedic games is because it's not what people want...not bloody likely. More likely is that NO ONE DOES IT.
Maybe you're right though, they stopped making comedic movies and television shows YEARS ago for this very reason didn't they?
Maybe if someone actually TRIED, we might find that it actually works!
Oh fuck the hell off. That's not what he's saying and you bloody well know it.
I keep hearing this. Tell you what, YOU show me just how incredibly easy it is. I'll even let you do it solo. Show me a reasonable competetive routine down at the pool today without drowning or looking like a pathetic wimp and I'll personally ensure you never have to see the sport on the screen again.
Can someone explain why men are so incredibly threatened by a dozen buff women in bathing suits performing strenuous physical excercise? In unison no less?
I will. Now get back to work slave!
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Sorry, but I have trouble even remotely giving such a brief comment any credence whatsoever. I'm not sure what you intend one to draw from that, but if you're so oppressed and we have it so incredibly good...how is it that you're posting here on
You put words in my mouth. Why I don't know, but you do.
1) I did NOT suggest that I wanted to be a teacher.
2) I did NOT complain about how cushy teachers have it. I merely responded to the defence of their wanting more off time.
In other words, you're arguing with the wrong guy here. Please stop.
You respond as if I wrote the gospel of console promotion and sales.
I was quite obviously generalizing. It is a quite well accepted fact that the 3 consoles have slightly different target markets. I really do not need to explain this to you, so I shouldn't bother, but hey. Nintendo is MOSTLY for kids. XBox is MOSTLY for the college crowd. PS is MOSTLY for the post-education crowd. XBox and Sony share a large amount of territory though. Nintendo is the only one with much market separation.
Now lets quit being so pedantic and move on with the issues at hand shall we?
Anyone can put together a very similar rant for just about any job out there. Not all jobs are for everyone. I know altogether WAY too many people that work 12 hour days 6 days a week, are capped at or much lower than 60k, only get 2 or 3 weeks vacation a year...There is nothing special about the teaching profession in that sense. What is special is the amount of down time they get.
I have a number of family members that are teachers. They darned well do get 2 months off for the summer. Schools out mid June. Year end work for the teachers is another week after that, but deffinately done by July. July & August are off. In for a couple days before the kids last few days of August/first few of Sept. Never mind 2 weeks off at Christmas, and a week in the spring. That's ELEVEN WEEKS. They have NO business bitching about how 'little' down time they have.
I'd like more time off too. Who wouldn't. Teachers are nothing special in this area, but are VERY likely to be looked down upon by everyone else when they start bitching about how rough they have it.
You need to change workplaces, or industries, or something. It can't be worth it.
And yes, I agree. I can't STAND teachers whining about their hours. Over worked my ass. But you know what they say: Those that can, do, those that can't, teach.
Yes, that is a great idea for sure and I am starting to use my time in a similar manner. Actually, my father has managed to work out his job just so, such that combining his vacation time and his stats, he only works 4 day weeks and gets 2 weeks full vacation as well.
;) Bank all that, a bit of shuffling, and voila! Every single week of the year is a 4 day work week.
Now, he does work in an industry where he was able to manipulate flex time to his advantage to help, since he doesn't get 10 weeks holiday. (Who does? heh) But he works an extra hour every day. (Gee, a whole 9 hour day
That's not healthy you know. But whatever, to each their own.
What I would suggest though is that you take that time off from your _regular_ job, and apply that dedication to another enterprise or whatever if you really don't know how to take vacation time for yourself. You might be surprised at what other interests you can fulfill. And at the same time, you wouldn't be undermining everyone elses need for adequate vacation time.
I'm hoping you don't seriously think that was all there was to it.
Trust me, lack of productivity was noticed first, supported by numerous complaints that all he did was slash all day. Every time one of us would go by his cube, he'd be reading slash. The logs were just the final proof in his exit interview.
I'm dreaming of clusters of stupid managers InAWolf myself, preferrably the stomach ;)
It's not always that simple. I've done that in the past. It wasn't feasible this time around.
;)
It wasn't so much losing the vacation time, it was being told I would be compensated flat out no question, and then completely ignored for 5 months when pressing for said compensation.
Basically I could have taken that time sometime this spring if I'd forced the issue, but this would have put me in a position where I would have been perceived as not doing my job. I already get 1 week more than most people of my station where I work. (Good negotiating skills at a time when the company wouldn't give a monetary raise) To take 7 weeks this year, when my manager has changed and our department is in total flux...I would be out of a job, guaranteed. Pathetic, and it disgusts me, but it's internal politics which exist everywhere.
Is there ANYONE on this side of the ocean working in the private tech industry that has a somewhat reasonable amount of vacation time and has no problem taking it?
Anyways, all I'm really getting at is I think the world would be a MUCH better place if it was simply standard to have 8 weeks a year, for EVERYONE. Regardless of their station in life. If there was a standard, it would be a heck of a lot less likely that you'd feel internal pressure to NOT take what you deserve.
Oh, and to all of you out there that have lots of vacation time and refuse to use it year after year after year: Quit it. You're sick, and you're not doing the rest of us any favors!!! If you're really that driven, think what you could accomplish doing something else for a couple of weeks out of the year! Diversify a bit!
Absolutely. And I do take my vacation whenever I can.
This last year though, it was my 2 weeks over christmas that got pissed away, not a planned booked trip to hawaii or anything. Point to note, and for my own ref in the future: The company has NO FUCKING BUSINESS knowing WHAT I do with my time off. It doesn't matter whether I've got a flight booked, or am spending 2 weeks at home with my family, but they WILL take advantage of a perceived difference if given half a chance.
Trust me, next time they ship late, and it's their own fucking problem, NOT mine.
Yes, sorry, that is completely true.
What I mean is that the wholesale conversion from VHS to DVD that occurred over the past 5 years or so is pretty much guaranteed not to happen again.
Case in point, look at the music industry. Oh how they've tried to get everyone to re-purchase everything they've already paid for within the past 10 years. Some do. Some don't. Some will eventually. Some never will. Some still have stacks of vinyl kicking around.
But yes, this is exactly why it does make sense for Sony to include blu-ray. If they don't, it's dead, and they get no slice of the next-gen media pie, no matter how big or small that pie ends up being.
If your vacation is cancelled on you and you aren't allowed to take it and aren't offered any compensation for it, well, it's lawyer time.
If you truly choose NOT to take your vacation time, but had every opportunity to do so, you're SOL. (Why would you do that?)
Gotta move over there or something.
I've managed to scratch my way up to 5 weeks of vacation over the years. I've had that for 2 years now. Sounds great right? Yeah, if I could actually freaking take them. You try taking 5 weeks throughout the year when your stupid manager only gets 3. It's pretty easy to see that time slip through your finger tips. Sure, you must get compensated, but I don't want an extra 2 weeks of pay that just gets taken in taxes fer christ sakes!
We absolutely work too hard. I'd be more inclined to be happy with very little time off if I was responsible for saving peoples lives every day. But when I do this to line some assholes wallet? Is it worth it? HELL NO!!! The problem is, it sure beats the lines down at the soup kitchen.
bloody f'ing capatalist society.
That's what our last JR developer kept saying to us when we'd pull up his usage logs, until we pulled up his code checkin logs that were all but empty and showed him the door.
Balance balance balance. Why must everything be black and white, nothing is that simple!
I don't know what marketting stats you're looking at, but me thinks you're way off.
Nintendo targets parents for sales. Thus a cheap, simple console with enough catchy features that the kids will scream for to ensure more sales via parents.
MS targets college fanboys that will gladly buy their console with next months rent.
Sony has ALWAYS targetted the market that actually has money in the bank. And I don't just mean with consoles. This is Sony we're talking about here after all.
You mistakenly think most people that will buy a PS3 _know_ anything about the various competing future formats, let alone _care_.
For most, it's a game console, period. Hardly ANYONE bought a PS2 _because_ it was a dvd player...that was an after-the-fact thing that turns out DID add value to the PS2 and DID help drive the dvd market, but it did NOT particularly drive the PS2 market.
Bottom line is it certainly can't hurt sales if the PS3 is fully backwards compatible, plays dvd's still, AND allows sony to use blue-ray. What, sony SHOULDN'T push their format? lol. The only concern is whether this decision will price them out of the market. And there is all but no chance it will do that.
On the other side of the coin however, there IS a good chance that Blu-ray WILL succeed. Much better chance actually if it IS in the PS3 from the get go.
From my perspective, I don't give a flying hoop. I'm not going out and replacing my TV YET AGAIN anyways, along with the rest of my entertainment centre, my entire DVD collection...shit, I keep looking at my piles of VHS tapes going I sure wish I still had a decent VHS player kicking around so those weren't a _complete_ waste.
People WILL have a limit on how many times they will buy the exact same damned thing on a slightly different media.
Seen that commercial recently where this guy's showing off a 50" TV and all of a sudden this big voice goes "But the screen in a REAL theatre is FIFTY FEET WIDE". How many minor increments of "better" do you think we're going to buy into?
So yeah, I don't expect blu-ray, or any of the others, to change the world by any means. I also don't think most people care. But I also can't blame sony for giving er a go. No skin off my back.