Oh come on, that is the stupidest thing anyone could possibly do at an airport and expecting anything short of what happened to her would be profoundly dumb to say the least.
What DOES a bomb look like btw? Or should we always wait until AFTER just so we don't stomp on someones rights?
And it's not like she did get shot or anything. They handled it exactly how it needed to be handled, very carefully.
And it's not like this wouldn't have prompted the same reaction anywhere other than an airport...or would you like to try walking up to the White House dressed like that? Go ahead...I'll wait...but I will suggest that there is a very real possibility that you will end up dead.
This girl is freaking stupid. Obviously has intelligence as she's at MIT, but nonetheless, about as stupid as they get.
However, the [non-existent] article does indicate some fairly widespread truths. I personally haven't experienced that at any company I've worked for...but I think that is because most programming and IT work is actually done as part of the bigger picture, part of a company that has lots of departments and areas where there is not such typical gender isolation.
Saying that though...ever been through your typical game company? I've spent a fair bit of time at a couple...and Oh My God. Sorry, but the stereotype is completely accurate, if not greatly understated. You do NOT want to be a woman there unless your skin is VERY thick. It's disgusting really.
But wait! Don't freak on me yet as I know some want to...
It's not limited to IT at all. It's been around a lot longer than that. Construction? Factory work? Armed forces? On and on and on. When men spend most of their time isolated with other men, they develop environments that are not very friendly towards women all too often. There is nothing special about 'male geeks acting stupid', men in general do just fine on that front across the board.
I have a hard time believing that, it doesn't fall in with any experience I've ever had with Bell or the indies, and doesn't fall in with the deregulatory requirements imposed. Hmm, well, I could see a local ISP doing things completely wrong by not knowing how to get access to the local CO services and tying in directly instead of just offering the 'service'...no, that doesn't make sense either, they still need the jump to their network unless they're just reselling bell DSL, which doesn't make sense.
The only thing a local DSL provider will charge you for is if you don't actually have a suitable physical line into your home, then you will have to pay for the installation of that line...but no phone service or monthly fees.
I've talked to regional managers at Bell about this issue, and they were hardline all the way up the chain. No phoneline payments, no DSL, period. Can't physically be done. (Lol;))
Odd. Hmm, might want to double check your bill to make sure you're not actually paying for the line you think you aren't! Or maybe there is some local thing going on that is outside of the norm...Bell perhaps trying to squash another potential Cogco or Execulink etc?
Did the local ISP you were trying to deal with have cable internet available? (I'll do ANYTHING not to pay the Bell Tax;)
Ehh, still don't see it as a problem. Nice that they DO offer some information like that, but really, lets not dumb down the layman anymore than they already are.
It should really be common sense that using something that requires electricity...wait for it...costs money for the electricity being used.
I mean, should all lightbulbs be stamped with a warning that if they use it it will cost X dollars to do so in electricity?
Cross border shopping is a massive pain in the ass.
It's one thing to be treated as a potential terrorist once every few years to travel on vacation to the states...but doing so regularly? Things are not the same as they were in the 80's. I don't know any Canadians that even remotely enjoy crossing into the US anymore.
Thanks for making us feel so very welcome George! But hey, whatever, enjoy our resources anyways.
And we're supposed to be the US's closest allies Lol.
It's been a good 2 decades for Canada yes. But if you really believe it'll last for 400 years...you've been snowballed completely. That number isn't even remotely based in fact whatsoever. That's just the comparative line to 'Just a little pin prick, won't last a moment...'
Oh they'll try to force a bundle on you, but I've managed to get cable internet out of Rogers a couple of times without paying for cable.
You can not get DSL from bell without paying for landline service. Period. Bell will actually try to tell you that it is technically impossible to have DSL without having phone service. No, really, they will. Rogers isn't quite that stupid as to blatantly lie to you.
Funniest part? Give Execulink a call, you can get a cable modem OR DSL from them, which they run off of 'Rogers' cables and 'Bell's' phonelines respectively, and you won't be paying for the unused service.
You wrote it yourself, but still completely missed the kicker.
We largely import manufactured goods.
What we export is resources, and we're not even the ones profiting off of most of the resources we're exporting. Once the current resource bubble bursts, then where do you think we'll be? How much more primary forest do you think we have left to give away? How much longer do you think we can sustain raping northern Alberta? (Hint: Look at a recent satellite image...all of that, done since 2000) Our fishing industry is already gone. The US is piping water out of the great lakes at an astonishing rate. And best: Most of our resources are controlled by foreign companies, we're making next to NOTHING on all of this, and leaving NOTHING for the future.
Um...do you have any idea how fast we've been blowing through the oil sands in Alberta? In 2000, there basically was NO oil export coming out of Alberta. Take a look at a recent satellite image of northern Alberta...go ahead, I'll wait...
So how old did you figure you'd be by the time we've finished selling our soul? Sorry, it's already sold. What I meant was, until we've finished delivering the soul we've already sold.
Increase prosperity in the west, which in almost all urban centres, has the most inflated land, housing and resource prices anywhere in Canada?
Sure, if we continue to let the west sell off our resources to the highest bidder and pocket all the profit.
Things are not heading in a good direction in Canada. It's mostly foreign interests that are walking off with the money from our resources we're basically giving away. Example: Gas prices in BC are consistently amongst the highest in Canada...but the oil we're allowing to be pillaged is right next door. Tell me that makes any bloody sense whatsoever.
We are not in control of our resources whatsoever and this is not a good thing. It's the wild west right now, and the 'gold mines' are already starting to dry up. Taken a look at satellite images of northern Alberta recently? Compared to 5 years ago? Yeah, almost 1/4 of Alberta has been visibly scarred by strip mining for oil in FIVE YEARS.
It is a vast mistake to look at this as if our dollar has risen...it hasn't. The USD has fallen. There is a big difference. We're heading for a recession like we've never seen before, and this time, we won't have the resources left to easily sell off to bail ourselves out.
Grr. I love my country, but there's not going to be much left of it if we let things continue on the way they are.
Look, I get your point, and you'd be in the clear if you hadn't gotten up on a high horse about it...but you did, and now you come off as a hypocrite. Clear enough?
Lol, switching one evil for another really isn't going to help any at all. Sympatico is Bell, best not to let that little bit of (mostly) failed marketing let you believe otherwise. Bell and Rogers are all but identical.
However, your point is good. Switch to Execulink or someone else like that. (There is a comparable underdog in almost all parts of Canada now thanks to deregulation, and in my experience, they are always cheaper, not crippled, not force-bundled, and offer better service to boot.)
And I've met enough 12 year olds to know this is not something ANY 12 year old I've ever met could handle.
Yet you flog one person for suggesting that, but flip when the discussion turns to the VC's...why the hypocrisy? Your original point was a good one, having not met the kid, lets not judge him...but you'd best carry that through or you start coming off as an ass.
Yeah, because you should really have to negotiate for freaking cell phone service.
I won't negotiate for things like cell service...or actually, even cars. If they're asking too much for it in the first place, my business goes elsewhere. I won't play that game, and it pisses me off when companies gouge people by forcing that game down everyone's throat.
Bell is the worst of the lot. And the system access fee is just ONE of the fees Bell throws at you.
Try getting any bell services without paying for a landline. Go ahead...try...I'll wait. Want DSL from Bell without paying for a landline? Yeah, that'll be $20 per month, and THEN they'll let you pay for DSL on top of that.
Not one other phone company that offers DSL does that. I cut my landline off a year ago, and they refused to truly drop it, wouldn't let me. So I cut them off completely. Called up Execulink, had their DSL installed within 12 hours...over the SAME LINE, with no actual phone service over the line whatsoever...Plus their DSL fees were cheaper to boot.
Bell is big and dumb. Rogers is only a wee bit better...they used to be much better in a lot of ways, but they keep changing to do things the way Bell does...Well, Bell charges for it, so we should too.
No, the irony is that no one puts these things Jobs has stood for in the past into perspective...He's a salesman. Always has been. He has never cared one iota about any particular technology one way or the other, what he's cared about is the angle required at any particular moment in time required to give him the best chance at selling stuff.
Ehh, completely expected from a megalomaniac like Jobs.
What I mean is, it's not surprising at all that he did things like that, nor that he now does things like this. What does surprise me is why people accept it, and worse, buy into it.
Man could sell ice in antarctic...can't really blame him. It really is the consumers that are to blame.
I'd be pissed too if I thought my city was going to blow my tax dollars on a broad Vista/Office 2007 upgrade that will in the end do nothing that the current XP/Office 2003 install and hardware doesn't.
Ahh, you meant the other part about the raving lunatic...you've never been to a city council meeting before, or any kind of public political planning meeting for that matter. Trust me, that kind of false entitlement is rampant, and certainly nothing new. Lastly, it's really not even remotely comparable to companies trying to force users to only use hardware they purchase a certain way. (Don't get me wrong, that kind of thing is just as insane, and I don't understand why we as consumers buy into it...well, I don't if I can avoid it, but most people could care less)
Actually, it's almost exclusively the service providers that cripple these features and try to force you to pay for what the manufacturer provides for free.
All current Sony-Ericsson phones come with the means to very easily set your own ringtones. A lot of them can apply ringtones directly from any of your mp3's on the phone. However...bought my 810i from Rogers. Custom firmware which forces you to buy ringtones from Rogers...along with a ton of other little things like that
Thankfully, it took all of 5 minutes to find and re-flash the Sony firmware and the phone was wide open again.
Back on the direct topic, this antic from Apple pisses me off, but matters naught. It's standard practice for Apple and fully expected...which is one of many reasons why I won't pay the Apple Tax. If Rogers actually tried to stop me from unlocking features that that I should have access to anyways, I'd refuse to buy products from them as well. Thankfully they're not quite that stupid...er, let me rephrase that: Thankfully Rogers is TOO stupid to figure out that it's that easy to change things back to the way They Should Be In The First Place;)
Whatever happened to selling good products that people want? That companies are even attempting these practices...Please people, do the ONLY thing that can change this: Vote with your wallets!!! Stop going: "Hey, why'd they do that? That sucks!!! Ah well, here's my money anyways!" You're really not doing anybody favors.
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Oh come on, that is the stupidest thing anyone could possibly do at an airport and expecting anything short of what happened to her would be profoundly dumb to say the least.
What DOES a bomb look like btw? Or should we always wait until AFTER just so we don't stomp on someones rights?
And it's not like she did get shot or anything. They handled it exactly how it needed to be handled, very carefully.
And it's not like this wouldn't have prompted the same reaction anywhere other than an airport...or would you like to try walking up to the White House dressed like that? Go ahead...I'll wait...but I will suggest that there is a very real possibility that you will end up dead.
This girl is freaking stupid. Obviously has intelligence as she's at MIT, but nonetheless, about as stupid as they get.
True that the article basically doesn't exist.
Nice that your experience is not the norm.
However, the [non-existent] article does indicate some fairly widespread truths. I personally haven't experienced that at any company I've worked for...but I think that is because most programming and IT work is actually done as part of the bigger picture, part of a company that has lots of departments and areas where there is not such typical gender isolation.
Saying that though...ever been through your typical game company? I've spent a fair bit of time at a couple...and Oh My God. Sorry, but the stereotype is completely accurate, if not greatly understated. You do NOT want to be a woman there unless your skin is VERY thick. It's disgusting really.
But wait! Don't freak on me yet as I know some want to...
It's not limited to IT at all. It's been around a lot longer than that. Construction? Factory work? Armed forces? On and on and on. When men spend most of their time isolated with other men, they develop environments that are not very friendly towards women all too often. There is nothing special about 'male geeks acting stupid', men in general do just fine on that front across the board.
I have a hard time believing that, it doesn't fall in with any experience I've ever had with Bell or the indies, and doesn't fall in with the deregulatory requirements imposed. Hmm, well, I could see a local ISP doing things completely wrong by not knowing how to get access to the local CO services and tying in directly instead of just offering the 'service'...no, that doesn't make sense either, they still need the jump to their network unless they're just reselling bell DSL, which doesn't make sense.
;))
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The only thing a local DSL provider will charge you for is if you don't actually have a suitable physical line into your home, then you will have to pay for the installation of that line...but no phone service or monthly fees.
I've talked to regional managers at Bell about this issue, and they were hardline all the way up the chain. No phoneline payments, no DSL, period. Can't physically be done. (Lol
Odd. Hmm, might want to double check your bill to make sure you're not actually paying for the line you think you aren't! Or maybe there is some local thing going on that is outside of the norm...Bell perhaps trying to squash another potential Cogco or Execulink etc?
Did the local ISP you were trying to deal with have cable internet available? (I'll do ANYTHING not to pay the Bell Tax
Ehh, still don't see it as a problem. Nice that they DO offer some information like that, but really, lets not dumb down the layman anymore than they already are.
;)
It should really be common sense that using something that requires electricity...wait for it...costs money for the electricity being used.
I mean, should all lightbulbs be stamped with a warning that if they use it it will cost X dollars to do so in electricity?
Just sayin
Or unless you WANT to donate it's time and a bit of money via electricity to F@H.
It's not like anyone is being coerced or forced to do this you know.
Don't want to spend that bit of money or don't care about F@H? Turn it off. I fail to see the issue.
Cross border shopping is a massive pain in the ass.
It's one thing to be treated as a potential terrorist once every few years to travel on vacation to the states...but doing so regularly? Things are not the same as they were in the 80's. I don't know any Canadians that even remotely enjoy crossing into the US anymore.
Thanks for making us feel so very welcome George! But hey, whatever, enjoy our resources anyways.
And we're supposed to be the US's closest allies Lol.
It's been a good 2 decades for Canada yes. But if you really believe it'll last for 400 years...you've been snowballed completely. That number isn't even remotely based in fact whatsoever. That's just the comparative line to 'Just a little pin prick, won't last a moment...'
Oh they'll try to force a bundle on you, but I've managed to get cable internet out of Rogers a couple of times without paying for cable.
You can not get DSL from bell without paying for landline service. Period.
Bell will actually try to tell you that it is technically impossible to have DSL without having phone service. No, really, they will. Rogers isn't quite that stupid as to blatantly lie to you.
Funniest part? Give Execulink a call, you can get a cable modem OR DSL from them, which they run off of 'Rogers' cables and 'Bell's' phonelines respectively, and you won't be paying for the unused service.
You wrote it yourself, but still completely missed the kicker.
We largely import manufactured goods.
What we export is resources, and we're not even the ones profiting off of most of the resources we're exporting. Once the current resource bubble bursts, then where do you think we'll be? How much more primary forest do you think we have left to give away? How much longer do you think we can sustain raping northern Alberta? (Hint: Look at a recent satellite image...all of that, done since 2000) Our fishing industry is already gone. The US is piping water out of the great lakes at an astonishing rate. And best: Most of our resources are controlled by foreign companies, we're making next to NOTHING on all of this, and leaving NOTHING for the future.
Um...do you have any idea how fast we've been blowing through the oil sands in Alberta?
In 2000, there basically was NO oil export coming out of Alberta. Take a look at a recent satellite image of northern Alberta...go ahead, I'll wait...
So how old did you figure you'd be by the time we've finished selling our soul?
Sorry, it's already sold. What I meant was, until we've finished delivering the soul we've already sold.
Even better, most of the profits are not going through Canadian owned entities.
Gotta love it. Come to Canada, where we'll gladly GIVE away our future for you to profit off of!!! Grrr.
Increase prosperity in the west, which in almost all urban centres, has the most inflated land, housing and resource prices anywhere in Canada?
Sure, if we continue to let the west sell off our resources to the highest bidder and pocket all the profit.
Things are not heading in a good direction in Canada. It's mostly foreign interests that are walking off with the money from our resources we're basically giving away. Example: Gas prices in BC are consistently amongst the highest in Canada...but the oil we're allowing to be pillaged is right next door. Tell me that makes any bloody sense whatsoever.
We are not in control of our resources whatsoever and this is not a good thing. It's the wild west right now, and the 'gold mines' are already starting to dry up. Taken a look at satellite images of northern Alberta recently? Compared to 5 years ago? Yeah, almost 1/4 of Alberta has been visibly scarred by strip mining for oil in FIVE YEARS.
It is a vast mistake to look at this as if our dollar has risen...it hasn't. The USD has fallen. There is a big difference. We're heading for a recession like we've never seen before, and this time, we won't have the resources left to easily sell off to bail ourselves out.
Grr. I love my country, but there's not going to be much left of it if we let things continue on the way they are.
Lol, so true ;)
What I don't get is how it can be called a Coop...any takers on that one?
That's what I thought myself but wasn't sure as the GP seemed to know what they were talking about. Thanks for the clarification!
Yes, your hypocrisy is very clear indeed.
Look, I get your point, and you'd be in the clear if you hadn't gotten up on a high horse about it...but you did, and now you come off as a hypocrite. Clear enough?
Lol, switching one evil for another really isn't going to help any at all.
Sympatico is Bell, best not to let that little bit of (mostly) failed marketing let you believe otherwise. Bell and Rogers are all but identical.
However, your point is good. Switch to Execulink or someone else like that. (There is a comparable underdog in almost all parts of Canada now thanks to deregulation, and in my experience, they are always cheaper, not crippled, not force-bundled, and offer better service to boot.)
And I've met enough 12 year olds to know this is not something ANY 12 year old I've ever met could handle.
Yet you flog one person for suggesting that, but flip when the discussion turns to the VC's...why the hypocrisy? Your original point was a good one, having not met the kid, lets not judge him...but you'd best carry that through or you start coming off as an ass.
The point of class action lawsuits is not to make money though, it is to invoke change.
As long as in the end we don't have to pay these bs fees anymore, the consumers will be happy with the outcome, and that includes myself.
Yeah, because you should really have to negotiate for freaking cell phone service.
I won't negotiate for things like cell service...or actually, even cars. If they're asking too much for it in the first place, my business goes elsewhere. I won't play that game, and it pisses me off when companies gouge people by forcing that game down everyone's throat.
What a fucking prick.
Bell is the worst of the lot. And the system access fee is just ONE of the fees Bell throws at you.
Try getting any bell services without paying for a landline. Go ahead...try...I'll wait. Want DSL from Bell without paying for a landline? Yeah, that'll be $20 per month, and THEN they'll let you pay for DSL on top of that.
Not one other phone company that offers DSL does that. I cut my landline off a year ago, and they refused to truly drop it, wouldn't let me. So I cut them off completely. Called up Execulink, had their DSL installed within 12 hours...over the SAME LINE, with no actual phone service over the line whatsoever...Plus their DSL fees were cheaper to boot.
Bell is big and dumb. Rogers is only a wee bit better...they used to be much better in a lot of ways, but they keep changing to do things the way Bell does...Well, Bell charges for it, so we should too.
All I can say about this suit is...sign me up!!!
No, the irony is that no one puts these things Jobs has stood for in the past into perspective...He's a salesman. Always has been. He has never cared one iota about any particular technology one way or the other, what he's cared about is the angle required at any particular moment in time required to give him the best chance at selling stuff.
Jobs has not changed, not even a little bit.
Ehh, completely expected from a megalomaniac like Jobs.
What I mean is, it's not surprising at all that he did things like that, nor that he now does things like this. What does surprise me is why people accept it, and worse, buy into it.
Man could sell ice in antarctic...can't really blame him. It really is the consumers that are to blame.
Yep, that's very stupid indeed!
I'd be pissed too if I thought my city was going to blow my tax dollars on a broad Vista/Office 2007 upgrade that will in the end do nothing that the current XP/Office 2003 install and hardware doesn't.
Ahh, you meant the other part about the raving lunatic...you've never been to a city council meeting before, or any kind of public political planning meeting for that matter. Trust me, that kind of false entitlement is rampant, and certainly nothing new. Lastly, it's really not even remotely comparable to companies trying to force users to only use hardware they purchase a certain way. (Don't get me wrong, that kind of thing is just as insane, and I don't understand why we as consumers buy into it...well, I don't if I can avoid it, but most people could care less)
Actually, it's almost exclusively the service providers that cripple these features and try to force you to pay for what the manufacturer provides for free.
;)
All current Sony-Ericsson phones come with the means to very easily set your own ringtones. A lot of them can apply ringtones directly from any of your mp3's on the phone. However...bought my 810i from Rogers. Custom firmware which forces you to buy ringtones from Rogers...along with a ton of other little things like that
Thankfully, it took all of 5 minutes to find and re-flash the Sony firmware and the phone was wide open again.
Back on the direct topic, this antic from Apple pisses me off, but matters naught. It's standard practice for Apple and fully expected...which is one of many reasons why I won't pay the Apple Tax. If Rogers actually tried to stop me from unlocking features that that I should have access to anyways, I'd refuse to buy products from them as well. Thankfully they're not quite that stupid...er, let me rephrase that: Thankfully Rogers is TOO stupid to figure out that it's that easy to change things back to the way They Should Be In The First Place
Whatever happened to selling good products that people want? That companies are even attempting these practices...Please people, do the ONLY thing that can change this: Vote with your wallets!!! Stop going: "Hey, why'd they do that? That sucks!!! Ah well, here's my money anyways!" You're really not doing anybody favors.
Only businesses bought into 2K, wasn't marketed at all to home users.
And it was the precursor to what XP would become...once it hit SP2.
I should have clarified the SP2 bit, kinda important I admit.