Totally agreed, I know individual people with FAR more copyright violations sitting on their shelf at home than this!
I'm also wondering why this goes to Congress? Wtf is with that? Seriously, has corporate protection gone so far in the US that companies can simply go directly to the government in the open, circumventing standard law channels and the more typical monetary-exchange-via-back-door?
Seems pretty blatantly rotten to me.
Sometimes makes you wish Google WAS evil...(Well, in a robinhood like way;)...like they wouldn't have access to more dirt on more dirty corrupt politicians and corporations than anyone else...
Just because they haven't been sued doesn't mean the won't be sued.
How long has Vonage been operating? Is it not more than a little suspect that a) The 'patent' holders are just sitting on these patents and b) They waited this long to sue over them.
Without a doubt it's harassment and monopolistic practices, but practices which law in the US support.
The system is very very broken and needs to be fixed.
Seriously, how can it be legal to force a citizen to perform jury duty and as a result have that citizen lose income while performing their civil obligation?
(Not an American so I'm genuinely curious...seems, well, potentially life destroying!)
Bottom line _should_ be, you're not actively doing anything with it, so no you can't shut down the guy who is.
Never mind the fact that these patents are so bloody obvious. Awarding patents and subsequent suits years later after another company has established themselves in the field, for simply taking a service and offering it online.
But we all know all of that. Too bad no one else does.
I was being picked on one on one for a change once instead of the usual 3-7 on one. Wasn't a wise move on his part. Just kept knocking him down until he finally stopped coming at me. Paid for it after school when the whole gang kicked the crap out of me instead of the usual petty theft and minor torment on the way home. Occurred a couple of times a week after that for the rest of public school. Worked out really well indeed.
Now, I did get a chance at retribution in high school playing football. By that time I was much bigger than the ringleader who was playing RB for the team we were playing against. He was still a mouthy prick just like he had always been. Took him out at the knees near the end of the game. Couldn't help myself, got the opportunity, and nailed him for all I was worth. Completely wrong, but oh did it feel good. Last time I played football actually.
So anyways, point being that revenge isn't always a good answer, though if you must, it truly is best when served cold.
Yes, because we all know two wrongs make a right every time. And it's especially important to instill this in our children as early as possible.
Revenge and retribution is a critical skill after all.
End Sarcasm.
Sheesh, you'd think that on/. with at least a FEW people with higher than average intelligence we'd see a bit more creativity and reasoning. Sure seems like the actual fact is that there is a higher than average number of people that were quite damaged while growing up.
Can't agree with that. You do not have to be physical to teach children. Timeouts are best for younger children, and regardless, the punishment should fit the crime.
Community service can do wonders. Detention works great when it's not just 'Here, sit in this room with a bunch of other bad influences for half an hour'. Suspensions are just free days off and all but useless, really just punishes the parents. Separating kids out of their current social cliques. Talking to them. Talking to them with their parents. Talking to the bully and the bullied at the same time. Be creative. Maybe the hair thing worked for you...but what if you were a worse kid, what if you were already getting that kind of treatment and worse a few times a week at home? You'd have taken that completely differently, that could have very easily backfired quite badly for that teacher.
Anecdote: Public school, grade 4 maybe? Got in a bit of a fight with a kid at recess, nothing too serious...until he picked up a rusty flattened pop can and chucked it at me, opening up a rather nice gash on my forehead. Principal made us spend the rest of the day together, went to the hospital to get stitches with me and everything. We ended up being best friends through the rest of public school.
That could have been dealt with in many different ways. Somehow, I don't think grabbing one of us by the hair would have had the same result.
Problem is that we're dealing with minors. The laws have no teeth to direct at minors in these situations, nor at parents, or schools...whom is responsible when a pack of little pricks beat the crap out of another kid? No one wants to address that. Just look at all the 'suck it up' responses on this thread. Think of trying to confront a bullying child's parents...can be very very ugly, best to be avoided altogether right?;)
Thus, unless things go WAY too far or a particular child becomes more and more of a consistent problem...almost nothing is done at all.
That is just stupid. We have this attitude that we can't hold kids responsible for their actions because they don't understand the full implications of things they do. Bull Fucking Shit. The worst abusers are the kids that know the implications so well that they are gaming the system knowing full well that NOTHING will happen to them.
Get parents involved immediately and always. Communicate EVERYTHING. Hold kids accountable for their actions. Don't allow school systems to be complacent.
I tell you...if even half the things that happened to me in public school happen to my kids, I'll be suing the crap out of the school involved. Being jumped on the way home from school two or three times a week for YEARS...why do we accept that kind of thing? And it happens all the time.
Fuck you. No one was telling anyone how to raise their kids and you damned well know it. The point was that people that could use help rarely seek out help. How many people do you think actually have ANY sort of child rearing education or influence other than how their parents brought them up?
Or are you suggesting that all parents are inherently great parents? Hmm?
Odd that I seem to have struck a nerve when I actually stated nothing at all which could reasonably provoke your reaction.
Are we asking for help perhaps?
Oh, and around here, being a cock-fucker is a serious problem.
Further response below may have the right answer in this situation, though I'm loath to lay blame at the feet of innocent children for the behavior of their parents. I'm more in the 'cut em off' crowd if you know what I mean.
Are you really not as creative as a bunch of grade schoolers? You really can think of nothing other than name calling that a group of kids with access to the internet could come up with? And kids with the tendency to be bullies aren't usually the smarter ones even.
Never mind the fact that you can do a lot more damage to someone without ever laying a finger on them than by physically confronting them. Physical wounds heal fairly quickly.
I so love people that had blinders on throughout their childhood and conveniently pushed reality off the plate once they got older. Were you the guy walking past quickly with your head down while someone else was having the crap beat out of them and did nothing at all about it? Pretended it didn't exist?
Kids can be down right evil. Thinking otherwise or throwing blame at the feet of kids that are targeted just reinforces bad behavior. Take the blinders off please.
Even worse, a lot of people think they ARE born knowing how to be a proper parent and simply won't seek out advice, even though they are not doing a great job of parenting themselves.
Not saying the GGP is in that category as I do not know for sure...but they very much could be given the implied attitude towards others seeking advice.
So the answer with a broken system is to move to another system? He tried, multiple times, but you conveniently ignored that for some reason.
Many people do not have the means to do so anyways. So only the elite should be free from bullying?
So should bullying be left as is? Simply accepted as par for the course?
I was bullied in public school. I went to a school where most of the kids were bussed in, I was amongst the minority that actually lived in the area. We all had it rough, and it was a nice neighborhood. Further, the administration DID take bullying fairly seriously. And yet, life was hell.
Don't know what the answer is, but ignoring it or blaming those on the receiving end helps in no way whatsoever. Current technology just makes it that much easier for bullying to occur.
Violence in children, whether verbal, physical, technological whatever...should not be tolerated. Period.
Unfortunately all too often it's accepted as par for the course, children will be children, what have you. Some things never change...but that certainly doesn't mean that they shouldn't change.
And if you really think this is just about name calling...you've got blinders on.
Sort of...it's typical for a lot of people to jump on whatever is stated in the headline, others to jump on what is in the summary, and others to actually read everything linked to as well.
I almost always read everything.
But in this case, I read the headline and summary, opened the link and read the first few posts of the linked thread, and decided the summary was likely good enough...didn't feel like reading an entire blog thread just to see if the summary was right. Giving/. the benefit of the doubt, summaries aren't usually that completely and utterly wrong. I then read a bunch of posts to the thread and all seemed to be in the same vein, suggesting that the summary was accurate.
Then I found a couple that indicated it wasn't accurate at all. At that point I read the entire linked to blog thread and had to change my stance.
At least KD changed his tune and updated the story.
While I do think the editors have a lot of initial influence on the direction of a thread (Same goes for ANY journalistic or editorial avenue, not unique here!)...I do think that more oft than not, as is the case in point, the masses figure out and call out the editors on misleading or mistaken headlines and titles. And usually, moderation eventually sorts things out. However, in many cases the moderations hinder things getting sorted out quickly as the typical result of calling an editor out on something like this is to be modded into oblivion quite quickly which is definitely a major problem.
Sorry, I have to revoke what I originally posted as it has come to light that what kdawson posted in the summary and title is clearly flamebait as it has basically zero relation to what was actually said and is extremely inflammatory.
If he can't test this stuff without scraping real live user data, do you really think you should be trusting his code?
This guy is arrogant and his attitudes are potentially dangerous. If he was a truly good developer, this would not be an issue whatsoever.
Sheesh, and trying to justify this behavior based on what MS does for an entire OS...a) this is not an OS and b) it's a bad MS practice which certainly does not make it right for others to do.
It'd be one thing if it was opt in, but this is just pathetic.
You sure about that? Sources? Typically artists cuts are paid not to the artist, but to the RIAA who, in theory, redistributes to the artists...and we won't get into that mess of steaming poo.
Digital media SHOULD be a HELL of a lot more inexpensive than the physical media. But at $.99 per song we are, in a lot of cases, paying MORE than we would if we bought the CD for $9.99.
Someone is making a lot more money off of this model than off of the physical media model, and it sure isn't the artist.
Love Apple and their products all you want...but PLEASE don't join the apologist masses on this particular issue, you aren't helping yourself or any other consumer at all. We're getting the short end of the stick, and it's thinking like this that is shrinking even that little bit we have left.
Come on people, sheesh. Do you really think they are trained to look for a particular exact thing? Think about it, that wouldn't work at all obviously. Bombs can be made to look like just about ANYTHING.
Think about being a security officer or policeman at an airport, and seeing someone walk in dressed like she was. What shall you assume? What IS that she is wearing? Would it be wise to assume, ahh just some techy MIT art girl of course! See that all the time! Riiight.
Perspective people!
But hey, if you'd like to try this yourself to prove a point...be my guest. The darwin awards are always looking for new entries after all!
Oh fuck off. No one is terrorized over anything other than the stupid girl that most certainly DOES have to change her shorts I'm sure.
Tell me this: Impossible for a bomb to look like that is it? What DOES a bomb look like? How do you KNOW? Who's lives are you willing to risk to [not] find out for sure?
It would be different if the police had shot first and asked questions later...but they didn't did they?
Thanks for trying to stir the pot though, really, it's appreciated.
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Totally agreed, I know individual people with FAR more copyright violations sitting on their shelf at home than this!
;)...like they wouldn't have access to more dirt on more dirty corrupt politicians and corporations than anyone else...
I'm also wondering why this goes to Congress? Wtf is with that? Seriously, has corporate protection gone so far in the US that companies can simply go directly to the government in the open, circumventing standard law channels and the more typical monetary-exchange-via-back-door?
Seems pretty blatantly rotten to me.
Sometimes makes you wish Google WAS evil...(Well, in a robinhood like way
Just because they haven't been sued doesn't mean the won't be sued.
How long has Vonage been operating? Is it not more than a little suspect that a) The 'patent' holders are just sitting on these patents and b) They waited this long to sue over them.
Without a doubt it's harassment and monopolistic practices, but practices which law in the US support.
The system is very very broken and needs to be fixed.
Is that legal?
Seriously, how can it be legal to force a citizen to perform jury duty and as a result have that citizen lose income while performing their civil obligation?
(Not an American so I'm genuinely curious...seems, well, potentially life destroying!)
Bottom line _should_ be, you're not actively doing anything with it, so no you can't shut down the guy who is.
Never mind the fact that these patents are so bloody obvious. Awarding patents and subsequent suits years later after another company has established themselves in the field, for simply taking a service and offering it online.
But we all know all of that. Too bad no one else does.
You sure about that?
I was being picked on one on one for a change once instead of the usual 3-7 on one. Wasn't a wise move on his part. Just kept knocking him down until he finally stopped coming at me. Paid for it after school when the whole gang kicked the crap out of me instead of the usual petty theft and minor torment on the way home. Occurred a couple of times a week after that for the rest of public school. Worked out really well indeed.
Now, I did get a chance at retribution in high school playing football. By that time I was much bigger than the ringleader who was playing RB for the team we were playing against. He was still a mouthy prick just like he had always been. Took him out at the knees near the end of the game. Couldn't help myself, got the opportunity, and nailed him for all I was worth. Completely wrong, but oh did it feel good. Last time I played football actually.
So anyways, point being that revenge isn't always a good answer, though if you must, it truly is best when served cold.
Yes, because we all know two wrongs make a right every time. And it's especially important to instill this in our children as early as possible.
/. with at least a FEW people with higher than average intelligence we'd see a bit more creativity and reasoning. Sure seems like the actual fact is that there is a higher than average number of people that were quite damaged while growing up.
Revenge and retribution is a critical skill after all.
End Sarcasm.
Sheesh, you'd think that on
Can't agree with that. You do not have to be physical to teach children. Timeouts are best for younger children, and regardless, the punishment should fit the crime.
Community service can do wonders. Detention works great when it's not just 'Here, sit in this room with a bunch of other bad influences for half an hour'. Suspensions are just free days off and all but useless, really just punishes the parents. Separating kids out of their current social cliques. Talking to them. Talking to them with their parents. Talking to the bully and the bullied at the same time. Be creative. Maybe the hair thing worked for you...but what if you were a worse kid, what if you were already getting that kind of treatment and worse a few times a week at home? You'd have taken that completely differently, that could have very easily backfired quite badly for that teacher.
Anecdote: Public school, grade 4 maybe? Got in a bit of a fight with a kid at recess, nothing too serious...until he picked up a rusty flattened pop can and chucked it at me, opening up a rather nice gash on my forehead. Principal made us spend the rest of the day together, went to the hospital to get stitches with me and everything. We ended up being best friends through the rest of public school.
That could have been dealt with in many different ways. Somehow, I don't think grabbing one of us by the hair would have had the same result.
Problem is that we're dealing with minors. The laws have no teeth to direct at minors in these situations, nor at parents, or schools...whom is responsible when a pack of little pricks beat the crap out of another kid? No one wants to address that. Just look at all the 'suck it up' responses on this thread. Think of trying to confront a bullying child's parents...can be very very ugly, best to be avoided altogether right? ;)
Thus, unless things go WAY too far or a particular child becomes more and more of a consistent problem...almost nothing is done at all.
That is just stupid. We have this attitude that we can't hold kids responsible for their actions because they don't understand the full implications of things they do. Bull Fucking Shit. The worst abusers are the kids that know the implications so well that they are gaming the system knowing full well that NOTHING will happen to them.
Get parents involved immediately and always. Communicate EVERYTHING. Hold kids accountable for their actions. Don't allow school systems to be complacent.
I tell you...if even half the things that happened to me in public school happen to my kids, I'll be suing the crap out of the school involved. Being jumped on the way home from school two or three times a week for YEARS...why do we accept that kind of thing? And it happens all the time.
Fuck you. No one was telling anyone how to raise their kids and you damned well know it. The point was that people that could use help rarely seek out help. How many people do you think actually have ANY sort of child rearing education or influence other than how their parents brought them up?
Or are you suggesting that all parents are inherently great parents? Hmm?
Odd that I seem to have struck a nerve when I actually stated nothing at all which could reasonably provoke your reaction.
Are we asking for help perhaps?
Oh, and around here, being a cock-fucker is a serious problem.
Further response below may have the right answer in this situation, though I'm loath to lay blame at the feet of innocent children for the behavior of their parents. I'm more in the 'cut em off' crowd if you know what I mean.
Are you really not as creative as a bunch of grade schoolers?
You really can think of nothing other than name calling that a group of kids with access to the internet could come up with? And kids with the tendency to be bullies aren't usually the smarter ones even.
Never mind the fact that you can do a lot more damage to someone without ever laying a finger on them than by physically confronting them. Physical wounds heal fairly quickly.
I so love people that had blinders on throughout their childhood and conveniently pushed reality off the plate once they got older. Were you the guy walking past quickly with your head down while someone else was having the crap beat out of them and did nothing at all about it? Pretended it didn't exist?
Kids can be down right evil. Thinking otherwise or throwing blame at the feet of kids that are targeted just reinforces bad behavior. Take the blinders off please.
Even worse, a lot of people think they ARE born knowing how to be a proper parent and simply won't seek out advice, even though they are not doing a great job of parenting themselves.
Not saying the GGP is in that category as I do not know for sure...but they very much could be given the implied attitude towards others seeking advice.
So the answer with a broken system is to move to another system?
He tried, multiple times, but you conveniently ignored that for some reason.
Many people do not have the means to do so anyways. So only the elite should be free from bullying?
So should bullying be left as is? Simply accepted as par for the course?
I was bullied in public school. I went to a school where most of the kids were bussed in, I was amongst the minority that actually lived in the area. We all had it rough, and it was a nice neighborhood. Further, the administration DID take bullying fairly seriously. And yet, life was hell.
Don't know what the answer is, but ignoring it or blaming those on the receiving end helps in no way whatsoever. Current technology just makes it that much easier for bullying to occur.
Violence in children, whether verbal, physical, technological whatever...should not be tolerated. Period.
Unfortunately all too often it's accepted as par for the course, children will be children, what have you. Some things never change...but that certainly doesn't mean that they shouldn't change.
And if you really think this is just about name calling...you've got blinders on.
Sort of...it's typical for a lot of people to jump on whatever is stated in the headline, others to jump on what is in the summary, and others to actually read everything linked to as well.
/. the benefit of the doubt, summaries aren't usually that completely and utterly wrong. I then read a bunch of posts to the thread and all seemed to be in the same vein, suggesting that the summary was accurate.
I almost always read everything.
But in this case, I read the headline and summary, opened the link and read the first few posts of the linked thread, and decided the summary was likely good enough...didn't feel like reading an entire blog thread just to see if the summary was right. Giving
Then I found a couple that indicated it wasn't accurate at all. At that point I read the entire linked to blog thread and had to change my stance.
At least KD changed his tune and updated the story.
While I do think the editors have a lot of initial influence on the direction of a thread (Same goes for ANY journalistic or editorial avenue, not unique here!)...I do think that more oft than not, as is the case in point, the masses figure out and call out the editors on misleading or mistaken headlines and titles. And usually, moderation eventually sorts things out. However, in many cases the moderations hinder things getting sorted out quickly as the typical result of calling an editor out on something like this is to be modded into oblivion quite quickly which is definitely a major problem.
I take that back. That was stated based on the title and summary of the story.
/., you should be ashamed.
Thanks for the flamebait there kdawson. That's about the worst case of it I've ever seen on
There is possibly an issue here, but not even remotely on the scale that this was made out to be.
Sorry, I have to revoke what I originally posted as it has come to light that what kdawson posted in the summary and title is clearly flamebait as it has basically zero relation to what was actually said and is extremely inflammatory.
In light of that, I'd have to agree with you.
Well, shit, that's not even close to what was insinuated in the summary.
Thanks for your flamebait kdawson, really mature and appreciated.
WTF.
If he can't test this stuff without scraping real live user data, do you really think you should be trusting his code?
This guy is arrogant and his attitudes are potentially dangerous. If he was a truly good developer, this would not be an issue whatsoever.
Sheesh, and trying to justify this behavior based on what MS does for an entire OS...a) this is not an OS and b) it's a bad MS practice which certainly does not make it right for others to do.
It'd be one thing if it was opt in, but this is just pathetic.
Not the right answer. Fork is better.
Why? Well anything else is supporting this developers decision, albeit indirectly.
He has every right to decide to do this, but users have every right to not use his code.
Let him be right and eat crow at the same time.
Ignorant bugger needs to learn a few hard lessons apparently.
You sure about that? Sources?
Typically artists cuts are paid not to the artist, but to the RIAA who, in theory, redistributes to the artists...and we won't get into that mess of steaming poo.
Someone is making a lot more money off of this model than off of the physical media model, and it sure isn't the artist.
Love Apple and their products all you want...but PLEASE don't join the apologist masses on this particular issue, you aren't helping yourself or any other consumer at all. We're getting the short end of the stick, and it's thinking like this that is shrinking even that little bit we have left.
Some people just don't realize what it's like to live the life of a nudist do they?
;)
I mean, you are a nudist right? I can't think of any other reason why you wouldn't have a pocket to carry things like a phone in.
Sheesh, the nerve of some people
Sorry, I was merely limiting my discussion to the topic at hand.
Say's who?
;)
Very often the easiest way to conceal something is to not conceal it at all.
Sometimes people willing to do harm to others just don't give a shit whether it's obvious or not either.
Ah well, at least I'm not depending on people like you keeping me safe out there
Come on people, sheesh. Do you really think they are trained to look for a particular exact thing? Think about it, that wouldn't work at all obviously. Bombs can be made to look like just about ANYTHING.
Think about being a security officer or policeman at an airport, and seeing someone walk in dressed like she was. What shall you assume? What IS that she is wearing? Would it be wise to assume, ahh just some techy MIT art girl of course! See that all the time! Riiight.
Perspective people!
But hey, if you'd like to try this yourself to prove a point...be my guest. The darwin awards are always looking for new entries after all!
Oh fuck off. No one is terrorized over anything other than the stupid girl that most certainly DOES have to change her shorts I'm sure.
Tell me this: Impossible for a bomb to look like that is it? What DOES a bomb look like? How do you KNOW? Who's lives are you willing to risk to [not] find out for sure?
It would be different if the police had shot first and asked questions later...but they didn't did they?
Thanks for trying to stir the pot though, really, it's appreciated.