A video game is not speech; tt's a game. Speech is something that comes out of your mouth. Books are speech on paper. But a video game is a toy, a plaything, a commercial product designed to maximize profits for the producers; it's not speech. When MS puts out a game for the XBox, they are not exercising their 1st amendment right to free speech:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
VS.Net has been released for months now. In fact I have a copy sitting on my desk right now. C# is included, as is VB.Net and VC.Net.
You can get a copy of the source to a CLI implementation which also includes a C# compiler that can run on XP and FreeBSD, here.
From the link:
The Shared Source CLI goes beyond the printed specification of the ECMA standards, providing a working implementation for CLI developers to explore and understand. It will be of interest to academics and researchers wishing to teach and explore modern programming language concepts, and to.NET developers interested in how the technology works.
Features
The Shared Source CLI archive contains the following technologies in source code form:
An implementation of the runtime for the Common Language Infrastructure (ECMA-335) that builds and runs on Windows XP and FreeBSD
Compilers that work with the Shared Source CLI for C# (ECMA-334) and JScript
Development tools for working with the Shared Source CLI such as assembler/disassemblers (ilasm, ildasm), a debugger (cordbg), metadata introspection (metainfo), and other utilities
The Platform Adaptation Layer (PAL) used to port the Shared Source CLI from Windows XP to FreeBSD
Build environment tools (nmake, build, and others)
Documentation for the implementation
Test suites used to verify the implementation
What can I do with the Shared Source CLI?
There is a wealth of programming language technology in the Shared Source CLI. It is likely to be of interest to a wide audience, including:
Developers interested in the internal workings of the.NET Framework can explore this implementation of the CLI to see how garbage collection works, JIT compilation and verification is handled, security protocols implemented, and the organization of frameworks and virtual object systems.
Teachers and researchers doing work with advanced compiler technology. Research projects into language extensions, JIT optimizations, and modern garbage collection all have a basis in the Shared Source CLI. Modern compiler courses can be based on the C# or JScript languages implemented on the CLI.
People developing their own CLI implementations will find the Shared Source CLI an indispensable guide and adjunct to the ECMA standards.
is that those annoying EULAs are contracts. If you click through my EULA, you're agreeing to the terms i've decided on (there's a cancel button if you don't want to agree to them).
in the year i've been using it, every day 10+ hours a day (i'm a developer), i've never crashed Win2k. i rarely ever crashed WinNT, in the years i used it, too.
Windows is far more stable than any Gnome or KDE installation i've ever used; plus it's more coherent, cohesive, comprehensive and easier to use. i'm not fan of the way MS does business, but they have a far superior (desktop) product than anything available for Linux.
You just need to put match edit rgba=rgb; in XftConfig.
wow. not only is it buried in some friggin configuration file (how many does X have? is this the one where i get to set the monitor scan frequency? that one's my favorite!), but the option doesn't look anything like what we're trying to use it for. yay!
How exactly do they plan to enforce US copyright law in nations that do not recognize US copyright law?
They'll make it an international law, just like the current set of international copyright laws.
The internet is a world wide medium, the RIAA can not put all the world governments (or ISPs for that matter) in their back pockets.
Maybe not, but they can put the people who make the most popular OS's in their pockets (vest, front or back). See related story about content managed OS's. As much as the people here hate it, computer = Windows for most people. And, this pro-IP-freedom talk doesn't happen in the real world; people are pretty much happy with the way things are. And that's why we get laws like the DCMA and presidents like GWB.
Quothe zerofoo:These dopes haven't even considered the macro-economic state of the world.
Of course they have. The media industries just need an excuse to get some new strict laws; so they whine up a storm about how evil all this copying is. Congress will get the sense that their campaign contributors are unhappy and will do everything in their power to fix the situation. Remember media companies write the copyright laws, and Congress rubber-stamps them - literally.
The media companies know that it's just a matter of time before digital distribution takes over, but they want to be in charge when it happens. That's really what Lars was saying: he has no problem with digital distribution of Metallica songs, but the distribution has to be on his terms.
i get a kick out of people blaming 9/11 for the economy. as if what happened to those 4 planes has turned people away from buying stuff (other than airline tickets, of course).
This is exactly how US IP laws have been written for at least 100 years. (see "Digital Copyright")
Business writes the laws and gives them to Congress for rubber stamp approval. The idea is that the affected businesses understand the issues better than Congress and can work out fair systems on their own.
My host suspended my account for a day or two after this happened to me. They came down on me for "excessive" email sending. After a little digging, i found out that the emails were coming from my copy of formmail.pl.
I checked Matt's site, but didn't see any notices about this. Glad to see it was the script, not something I had done. (well, other than installing the script in the first place, i guess)
Buying shelf space happens everywhere, even in supermarkets. Brands pay to have their product put on better (eye-level) shelves than their competitors.
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No fucking way. Without offering anything new, they've rasied my cable bill to almost $50/mo (yes, we're looking elsewhere, but not finding much). There's no fucking way I'm going to give those crooks another $40/mo for their precious cable modem.
Of course Bell South has no interest in providing DSL to my 10 year old neighborhood, though all new developments seem to get it.
I sometimes wonder if it might not be easier if we all just converted to Islam, and had done with it.
it wouldn't. note that a good deal of the trouble in Afghanistan is due to the constant fighting between different 'ethnic' groups. people will always find a reason to find a "them" to contrast their own "us".
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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
This says nothing about fucking video games.
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I'd rather have a worn out wrist than a worn out neck.
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... or is that headline a bitch to parse?
how about:
"GarageGames releases Torque Engine Beta client for Linux" ?
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You can get a copy of the source to a CLI implementation which also includes a C# compiler that can run on XP and FreeBSD, here.
From the link:
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doens't that put them a few thousand years too late to be Noah's ark? i'm of course assuming the Old testament was written before 500 AD.
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thanks. but it doesn't compile under MS VC6. lots of warnings, a few syntax errors, etc.. as the other poster noted - no comments at all.
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without the internet, i have no business. pretty simple. likewise amazon, ebay and /. have no business without the net.
5???
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No, we're gonna let the EU handle this one themselves.
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can you name any of those API changes?
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prove it.
as a shareware author, i get plenty of people who register because they "couldn't find a crack". each of these is a sale i would have lost.
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is that those annoying EULAs are contracts. If you click through my EULA, you're agreeing to the terms i've decided on (there's a cancel button if you don't want to agree to them).
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it's a double-free problem. the two are totally different.
read all about it : http://www.gzip.org/zlib/advisory-2002-03-11.txt
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how is this is different from any other story on /. ?
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in the year i've been using it, every day 10+ hours a day (i'm a developer), i've never crashed Win2k. i rarely ever crashed WinNT, in the years i used it, too.
Windows is far more stable than any Gnome or KDE installation i've ever used; plus it's more coherent, cohesive, comprehensive and easier to use. i'm not fan of the way MS does business, but they have a far superior (desktop) product than anything available for Linux.
get your head out of the sand.
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wow. not only is it buried in some friggin configuration file (how many does X have? is this the one where i get to set the monitor scan frequency? that one's my favorite!), but the option doesn't look anything like what we're trying to use it for. yay!
incredible.
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They'll make it an international law, just like the current set of international copyright laws.
The internet is a world wide medium, the RIAA can not put all the world governments (or ISPs for that matter) in their back pockets.
Maybe not, but they can put the people who make the most popular OS's in their pockets (vest, front or back). See related story about content managed OS's. As much as the people here hate it, computer = Windows for most people. And, this pro-IP-freedom talk doesn't happen in the real world; people are pretty much happy with the way things are. And that's why we get laws like the DCMA and presidents like GWB.
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Of course they have. The media industries just need an excuse to get some new strict laws; so they whine up a storm about how evil all this copying is. Congress will get the sense that their campaign contributors are unhappy and will do everything in their power to fix the situation. Remember media companies write the copyright laws, and Congress rubber-stamps them - literally.
The media companies know that it's just a matter of time before digital distribution takes over, but they want to be in charge when it happens. That's really what Lars was saying: he has no problem with digital distribution of Metallica songs, but the distribution has to be on his terms.
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i get a kick out of people blaming 9/11 for the economy. as if what happened to those 4 planes has turned people away from buying stuff (other than airline tickets, of course).
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no more crack for you, skippy.
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Business writes the laws and gives them to Congress for rubber stamp approval. The idea is that the affected businesses understand the issues better than Congress and can work out fair systems on their own.
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My host suspended my account for a day or two after this happened to me. They came down on me for "excessive" email sending. After a little digging, i found out that the emails were coming from my copy of formmail.pl.
I checked Matt's site, but didn't see any notices about this. Glad to see it was the script, not something I had done. (well, other than installing the script in the first place, i guess)
If i had the points, i'd mod you uP.
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Buying shelf space happens everywhere, even in supermarkets. Brands pay to have their product put on better (eye-level) shelves than their competitors.
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No fucking way. Without offering anything new, they've rasied my cable bill to almost $50/mo (yes, we're looking elsewhere, but not finding much). There's no fucking way I'm going to give those crooks another $40/mo for their precious cable modem.
Of course Bell South has no interest in providing DSL to my 10 year old neighborhood, though all new developments seem to get it.
Broadband is a fucking joke.
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it wouldn't. note that a good deal of the trouble in Afghanistan is due to the constant fighting between different 'ethnic' groups. people will always find a reason to find a "them" to contrast their own "us".
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at least that's what the LZW patent is...