I use Linux at home and Solaris at work. Will this affect me? It sounds like it is entirely dependant on which CD-playing program you use. If that's right, then surely it won't affect many people?
Has VS.NET just added a totally kick ass forms implementation? yes.
My original question asked what made it better than GTK+'s forms. We've already established they have a new forms implementation that's supposedly good.
Yes VB6 comes to mind immeditely
That's a classic example of what I was on about. VB6 was around at the time I started having a look at GTK+. VB6 has all the flaws that my original post was talking about. If I had rememberd VB6, I would have mentioned it.
Your original message compares the low-level Win32 APIs with GTK+
Blah. My message compared GTK+ to MFC, both were the current standard on their respective platforms at the time I used them.
If we can get a better "forms" implementation on 'nix (windows-like without windows bugs), that would be awesome
GTK+'s "forms implementation" is more advanced than Windows's. When you design a form, you can specify the size of cetain controls, and let GTK work out the sizes of other controls automatically on the fly. This gets round the problem that you see on Windows where if someone changes their display preferences to use "Large fonts", some text doesn't fit within the fixed sized label that the form has. With the GTK model, the label and other controls around it would resize automatically so the text fits in perfectly.
Also, you can specify how controls on a form should be a aligned, and the alignment it handled by GTK, so you don't have to place controls on the exact pixel you want them to appear on (which is related the the previous problem). Yes, I know you can "snap to grid", but that still messes up with non-standard sized controls and in the scenario mentioned above with large fonts.
I could just say "It's similar to the way Java handles GUI design", but I'd see all the Windows GUI designers respond with "but Java's UI looks horrible". On a system running only Gnome or similar, GTK is what all programs use, so they all look the same - none of this horrible inconsistency you see on Windows. GTK handles the themes or skins, so if the user doesn't like the look of your app, they can change the theme, and all apps still look the same as eachother. I know XP can do that, but dev tools on XP won't let you design a form in a GUI point 'n' click environment that follows GTK's ideas of automatically placing and aligning controls on the fly.
As someone who's spent a bit of time creating programs with user interfaces in MFC, Java and GTK, that is my opinion. Now, do you still think that Windows has a better "forms implementation" ?
It's just the everlasting circle that won't be broken anytime soon
One word: Palladium.
Once MS start forcing people to use only MS-approved software, prevent you ripping CDs and copying MP3s, force you to use even more and more MS proprietary formats and extortionate licensing models, how many people do you think will still like to use MS Software?
I rate software on cost, reliability and useability. MS's current stuff doesn't rate too highly on any of the above.
Both Alpha and PA-RISC were fast and powerful - I thought that PA-RISC was quicker than a similarly spec'd Sun.
Unfortunately it had a poor excuse for an mmap implementation which made it useless for a lot of multi-user server applications (Apache being an example that springs to mind).
Hopefully HP will port HPUX to Itanium now, and we might have a Unix distro from HP that actually works.
the box on my desk at work runs Solaris 8, which is called 2.8 when talking about compiling software for it. By 2.6->8.0, do you mean Solaris 2.6 to Solaris 2.8?
That would be good for my parents' house which is more than 5 miles from the nearest excahnge, but is in an ideal location for that antenna - at the top of a hill. I hope this becomes available to the masses at a reasonable price soon.
I have this to warm my feet when it's cold - a dual processor Athlon MP and Cambridge Soundowrks amplifier. The heat from both of them together have been known to raise the room temperature by 6 degrees C.
I'm crusing slashdot on a Saturday night. I haven't been to a club since February. I got laid yesterday morning and was late for work, where I surfed slashdot for most of the day. Clubs are okay, but a good beer and Mozilla to surf slashdot with wins my vote any day!
It took 1 hour to install RedHat 8 on my 475MHz laptop. It took around the same time to install Windows 2000. RH8 had no "setting up" to do after installing. I just plugged in an ethernet cable, logged in, loaded Mozilla, and started surfing the 'net. With Win2K, I had to provide Video, Sound and Network drivers, which was difficult as I needed to get online to get them! Now see what takes "hours to set up".
I used it at work yesteday and all the functionality that I would normally use in KDE was there. It's only a desktop environment, and that's all I expect of it. The Window Manager works fine, the UI is clean and easy to use (just as it was before RH played with it) and the file manager/web browsing works just fine. The first difference I noted was that the links on the panel went to Mozilla and Evolution instead of Konqueror and KMail. I have my links on RH 7.3 at home set to do that anyway.
I had my prompt set to a wacky little awk script that parsed out the last three components of a path, so I'd have something like:
[root@anywhere...registry/macbuild/CVS] #
I like that very much. I'll be on the lookout for some code to do the same thing... or maybe just learn awk or sed;-)
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I use Linux at home and Solaris at work. Will this affect me? It sounds like it is entirely dependant on which CD-playing program you use. If that's right, then surely it won't affect many people?
Haha, I like the sig ;-)
Has VS.NET just added a totally kick ass forms implementation? yes.
My original question asked what made it better than GTK+'s forms. We've already established they have a new forms implementation that's supposedly good.
Yes VB6 comes to mind immeditely
That's a classic example of what I was on about. VB6 was around at the time I started having a look at GTK+. VB6 has all the flaws that my original post was talking about. If I had rememberd VB6, I would have mentioned it.
Your original message compares the low-level Win32 APIs with GTK+
Blah. My message compared GTK+ to MFC, both were the current standard on their respective platforms at the time I used them.
Me: Now, do you still think that Windows has a better "forms implementation" ?
;-)
You: Visual Studio also includes these features
That makes it looks like Visual Studios idea of forms has just caught up with the current standard in non-MS software, but is not any better.
That looks like a "no" disguised as a "yes"
If we can get a better "forms" implementation on 'nix (windows-like without windows bugs), that would be awesome
GTK+'s "forms implementation" is more advanced than Windows's. When you design a form, you can specify the size of cetain controls, and let GTK work out the sizes of other controls automatically on the fly. This gets round the problem that you see on Windows where if someone changes their display preferences to use "Large fonts", some text doesn't fit within the fixed sized label that the form has. With the GTK model, the label and other controls around it would resize automatically so the text fits in perfectly.
Also, you can specify how controls on a form should be a aligned, and the alignment it handled by GTK, so you don't have to place controls on the exact pixel you want them to appear on (which is related the the previous problem). Yes, I know you can "snap to grid", but that still messes up with non-standard sized controls and in the scenario mentioned above with large fonts. I could just say "It's similar to the way Java handles GUI design", but I'd see all the Windows GUI designers respond with "but Java's UI looks horrible". On a system running only Gnome or similar, GTK is what all programs use, so they all look the same - none of this horrible inconsistency you see on Windows. GTK handles the themes or skins, so if the user doesn't like the look of your app, they can change the theme, and all apps still look the same as eachother. I know XP can do that, but dev tools on XP won't let you design a form in a GUI point 'n' click environment that follows GTK's ideas of automatically placing and aligning controls on the fly.
As someone who's spent a bit of time creating programs with user interfaces in MFC, Java and GTK, that is my opinion. Now, do you still think that Windows has a better "forms implementation" ?
Look at this screenshot comparing Photodex and Konqueror. Can someone tell me what it is that Photodex does better than Konqueror?
It's just the everlasting circle that won't be broken anytime soon
One word: Palladium.
Once MS start forcing people to use only MS-approved software, prevent you ripping CDs and copying MP3s, force you to use even more and more MS proprietary formats and extortionate licensing models, how many people do you think will still like to use MS Software?
I rate software on cost, reliability and useability. MS's current stuff doesn't rate too highly on any of the above.
Both Alpha and PA-RISC were fast and powerful - I thought that PA-RISC was quicker than a similarly spec'd Sun.
Unfortunately it had a poor excuse for an mmap implementation which made it useless for a lot of multi-user server applications (Apache being an example that springs to mind).
Hopefully HP will port HPUX to Itanium now, and we might have a Unix distro from HP that actually works.
2.6->8.0
the box on my desk at work runs Solaris 8, which is called 2.8 when talking about compiling software for it. By 2.6->8.0, do you mean Solaris 2.6 to Solaris 2.8?
it's called... OpenOffice.org
That would be good for my parents' house which is more than 5 miles from the nearest excahnge, but is in an ideal location for that antenna - at the top of a hill. I hope this becomes available to the masses at a reasonable price soon.
I have this to warm my feet when it's cold - a dual processor Athlon MP and Cambridge Soundowrks amplifier. The heat from both of them together have been known to raise the room temperature by 6 degrees C.
I'm crusing slashdot on a Saturday night. I haven't been to a club since February. I got laid yesterday morning and was late for work, where I surfed slashdot for most of the day. Clubs are okay, but a good beer and Mozilla to surf slashdot with wins my vote any day!
A real geek would have done it in GIMP ;-)
My desk
Oops, I forgot VoIP used UDP. Silly me :-P
There are threading implementations in 2.6 specifically for the O'Reilly Network?
Tunnel the VoIP through SSH then. Most people I know would refuse to use an ISP that blocks SSH since it's used for plenty of other legitimate things.
It took 1 hour to install RedHat 8 on my 475MHz laptop. It took around the same time to install Windows 2000. RH8 had no "setting up" to do after installing. I just plugged in an ethernet cable, logged in, loaded Mozilla, and started surfing the 'net. With Win2K, I had to provide Video, Sound and Network drivers, which was difficult as I needed to get online to get them! Now see what takes "hours to set up".
I used it at work yesteday and all the functionality that I would normally use in KDE was there. It's only a desktop environment, and that's all I expect of it. The Window Manager works fine, the UI is clean and easy to use (just as it was before RH played with it) and the file manager/web browsing works just fine. The first difference I noted was that the links on the panel went to Mozilla and Evolution instead of Konqueror and KMail. I have my links on RH 7.3 at home set to do that anyway.
From the article:
"Gift a Washing Machine & get Pearl Set Free @ INR 8590"
They obviously don't know that Perl is FREE for most systems.
I thought it "just worked" in Mozilla - at least it just works on any Mozilla I've seen recently on Windows or Linux. Maybe I'm missing something.
I had my prompt set to a wacky little awk script that parsed out the last three components of a path, so I'd have something like: ...registry/macbuild/CVS] #
;-)
[root@anywhere
I like that very much. I'll be on the lookout for some code to do the same thing... or maybe just learn awk or sed
Me too, but my Sun Blade doesn't seem to like my USB Intellimouse, despite it's default mouse and keyboard being USB.
so why is the prompt not [macosx:/usr/local/] now?
/export/home/sandyd/cvs/mozilla/xpcom/tools/regist ry/macbuild/CVS
...you'd like that to appear in your prompt?
:-)
So if you cd'd to this directory...
Yeah, some of us don't like the wd to appear in our prompt, thank you
I'll just be minimalist and be happy with my hostname% prompt.