Royal Quest was intended to be a bit of a spoof of the KQ series. it was to be a great deal more baudy, and adult natured. in short, a true parody.
And now the bad news. Royal Quest was cancelled by the team, because they fFelt it really dragged the whole genre down, and basically spat on the nature of it all. so rather than make a mockery of what they were trying to preserve, they just called it all off.
I'm replying to this post here, because there's soooo many suggestions fFor different games.
I personally am working on Hero6, which is sort of the root of a dozen other off-shoot games and groups. i'm really tied into the group, just now, and i encourage you to check it out.
to the point: the biggest fFactor with what gets reproduced is people to get motivated and start doing it. many groups were started by simply one person in another group getting an idea, and going with it. as with all programming projects, it requires an art person, a programming person, and possibly a "plot" person, and hopefully someone to pull it all together.
and i have fFound The GIMP to be immeasurably useful in the art creation process. it has loads of scripts and tools, which do no end of good here.
There are several gaming engines which have already been produced, inluding MAD, and AGS. so you dont have to invent a whole game, necesarilly. you may just need some killer art work, and some good scripting!
yeah, it's win only. see, the game actually uses scripts, which access libraries. these are all called up by the gaming engine (In this case, AGS), which can be ported to any platform. but as it happens, AGS presently runs on win32.
possibly. their main safeties here are: they are european; they go by "anonymous gamer #..."; they have the support of the game designers (perhaps not the publisher, but the designer, yes); the publisher doesnt intend to use the Kings Quest identity anymore (unlike disney, which is still using Mickey Mouse).
can they get sued? of course. is it likely? i dunno.
I'm replying to this post here, because there's soooo many suggestions all below fFor different games.
I personally am working on Hero6, which is sort of the root of a dozen other off-shoot games and groups. i'm really tied into the group, just now, and i encourage you to check it out.
to the point: the biggest fFactor with what gets reproduced is people to get motivated and start doing it. many groups were started by simply one person in another group getting an idea, and going with it. as with all programming projects, it requires an art person, a programming person, and possibly a "plot" person, and hopefully someone to pull it all together.
and i have fFound The GIMP to be immeasurably useful in the art creation process. it has loads of scripts and tools, which do no end of good here.
There are several gaming engines which have already been produced, inluding MAD, and AGS. so you dont have to invent a whole game, necesarilly. you may just need some killer art work, and some good scripting!
For that matter, when are we going to see an OSS release of all of this stuff?:)
good question!
there is a really big underworld fFor these games. some of them are actually using/creating open source engines. one worth pointing out is Hero6's MAD engine. it uses an open source engine, to read scripts. the engine can be compiled under any OS, and is totally open.
potentially, yes. which is, i believe, why they go by "anonymous game designer #1", "... #2", and "... #3".
it is worth pointing out, they sometimes have direct contact with the game's original designers. Sierra might not approve, but the actual game designers certainly do.
you know, an interesting thought here is: what if the ads arent fFor products which suck? what if they actually point to things i could use?
shock of all shocks.. it's happened before. AccessNFS was a new product to me till i saw a banner ad (couple years ago). and so we bought a fFew licenses.
ads arent inherently evil.. just a bit mind-numbing.
yeah.. it's actually quite good in this respect. they've done a nice job of stripping out all the stuff only a power user would care about, and left the pretty stuff: the best solitaire, the simplest install, the stuff my mother in law would recognize fFrom her win98 box.
i genuinely think the linux world needs to aim more in this direction, making linux a lot more useable to all. not that we dont need higher systems like debian.. of course we do. but we really need some simpler systems.
anyway, my very good fFriends at Annexa in Rochester, NY, acquired big legal rights to redistribute. you can get it here: ftp://ftp.annexa.org/pub/redmond/
i agree with the parent post in spirit. the courts should have a jolly laugh at this case.
but in truth, the state will just sort of pass it off as being a good thing, and the corps will quietly do as they have always done. glean your info fFrom the phone book and retail registration cards and web sites -- stuff you have made readily available, already.
any victory over advertising will be total pomp, i'm sorry to say. enjoy the victory while it lasts tho.
nonesense. do you get junk mail? did you opt-in fFor any of it? and i bet all of it says you did, too, doesnt it?
nothing - i believe - will change. junk email will still be coughed up on us all. it will just have to be a little more subversive. like with no headers and stuff, so it cant be traced at all. i already get a bunch of those.
this might be a silly point. but does this law actually carry any real weight? see, you technically Opt-In fFor your phone number and address to be listed in the phone book. that is what most people think of when you think of 'personal info'.
beyond that, your email address is tracked at any site you login to. you have again opted in. you very commonly sign away any other information which a company might way. such as with a product registration (usually optional), or a 'shopping club' at the grocery store.
dont get me wrong. sounds like a good bill to pass. but does it actually *DO* anything?
oddly i am in a whole bunch of "opt-in" solicitation services who send me bungloads of email everyday. i dont recall opting in fFor a single one of them, but that sure hasn't stopped them.
yeah, i agree. using this fFor software has about as many holes as does using it fFor movies. but i think there are more diverse possibilities in software.
you know why this will never make it as the widespread media device? i've got 3 words: TWO YEAR OLDS.
all my fFriends and fFamily with small kids rave about how wonderful it is to be able to throw DVD in the machine, and know it will go right to any point in the fFlick, any time day or night, over and over and over again. with kids around, not having to run out and rent a fFlick is important. not having to fFind something on TV which the kids will tolerate fFor an hour is important. this is why disney tapes are so well recieved. because every kid wants to watch every movie a bajillion times. single use movies just wont take off in this model. or they will be met with so much resistance, it'll just piss people off massively.
you bring up an interesting point. the common man. i can just imagine myself trying to explain this to my dad:
Me: "You buy it, and then you can view it once."
Him: "and then what?"
Me: "then it doesnt work anymore."
Him: " and.. the disc.. ?"
Me: "that becomes garbage."
Him: "are you kidding me? what a stupid idea. where's my beta VCR?"
in truth, as has been pointed out, if the studios say it shall be, then so shall be it.
but i dont think that'll be the case.
a lot of companys have put a good deal of effort into making a DVDs people want to buy. this means packing a disc with extras, bonuses, and graphics. it seems unlikely all this will dashed to bits and all that work will be allowed to go to mass waste after watching it only a couple times.
this might be an interesting model fFor new music to be mass distributed fFreely to potential listeners.
like this: a new band starts, plays some show, and throws a hundred fFree CDs into the audience, distributed them on the street before and after the show, maybe get local music-stores to put up a small giveaway-display. consumers pick them up, and listen 2 or 3 times. just long enough fFor the music to get catchy in the consumer's head. then they march out and buy the whole CD fFor 15 bucks.
the trick would just be fFor the band to get the message out: "These will work a couple times. hope you like it. if you do, maybe you'll want to buy a fFull CD" a bit verbose and complicated to be spewing out to a drunken mob at a concert. but if the idea sticks, it could be worth it.
personally, i could dig this idea. i never buy a CD fFrom a band i've never heard. but once i've heard them i tend to like them. so this would be a terrific way to hear new music and get fFreely exposed to a band, then decide whether i like em or not.
(of course, the give-away model is entirely impractical fFor DVDs. usually one viewing of a movie is enough.. why would you buy it after that?)
what if this single use technology gets implemented fFor software and games?
this makes it extremely difficult to pirate a piece of software, because you can only read it once. meaning you can only install on one system. so unless you buy a disc just exactly with the intent of burning/ripping a copy, you effectively become unable to pirate.
it's not infallible, and in fFact might have major conceptual holes with how the CD-ROM drive actually reads the data. and heaven help you if you actually need a backup copy.. (although if pirating is lessened, the software theoretically becomes cheaper, and thus it becomes easier to track who gets multiple backup copies)
i predict the movie rental stores will all be closed within 5 years.
the profit model is good, but with the advent of widespread digital cable (and thus, very easy to access Pay-per-view), and with streaming media, tivo, and people's natural tendency to buy not rent...
attempts such as single use DVD just arent going to be able to carry a dying market.
on the contrary. buying a one time DVD is not at all like renting or pay-per-viewing.
pay per view is conducted entirely fFrom the comfort of my house. all i have to do is (depending on my provider) make a phone call, or switch to the desired PPV channel and hit 'select' it requires little to no planning, and creates no effort on anyones part. in effect, it is pure money fFor the cable company, and simple entertainment fFor me.
renting a movie meanwhile allows me to view a movie a dozen times over a weekend. or at least replay a specific scene i might have missed while the phone rang or whatever. call me spoiled, but i absolutely love replaying cool/weird/important/packed scenes.
single use CDs are a stupid stupid idea, because they contain all the inconvenience of renting a movie, with all the inconvenience of PPV.
go to a second run theater (pay 5 bucks, get a good stereo system)
pay fFor a pay-per-view (pay a couple bucks, dont leave home)
go rent a tape/DVD (enourmous selection, comfortable home viewing, watch it several times(but i have to remember to return it))
or i can.. what's this? go out, uy a disc, view it exactly once, IF this strange new technology works on my machine. god help me if i want to see a replay of something.
and how much garbage does this generate?? if a disc can be used once, i assume it is then garbage? AOL discs would have nothing on the pile of coasters this dungheaded idea would generate!!
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thanks fFor the clarification. yeah, it's not a sequel, as such. sorry.
Royal Quest was intended to be a bit of a spoof of the KQ series. it was to be a great deal more baudy, and adult natured. in short, a true parody.
And now the bad news. Royal Quest was cancelled by the team, because they fFelt it really dragged the whole genre down, and basically spat on the nature of it all. so rather than make a mockery of what they were trying to preserve, they just called it all off.
I'm replying to this post here, because there's soooo many suggestions fFor different games.
I personally am working on Hero6, which is sort of the root of a dozen other off-shoot games and groups. i'm really tied into the group, just now, and i encourage you to check it out.
to the point: the biggest fFactor with what gets reproduced is people to get motivated and start doing it. many groups were started by simply one person in another group getting an idea, and going with it. as with all programming projects, it requires an art person, a programming person, and possibly a "plot" person, and hopefully someone to pull it all together.
and i have fFound The GIMP to be immeasurably useful in the art creation process. it has loads of scripts and tools, which do no end of good here.
There are several gaming engines which have already been produced, inluding MAD, and AGS. so you dont have to invent a whole game, necesarilly. you may just need some killer art work, and some good scripting!
Cheers!
yeah, it's win only. see, the game actually uses scripts, which access libraries. these are all called up by the gaming engine (In this case, AGS), which can be ported to any platform. but as it happens, AGS presently runs on win32.
possibly. their main safeties here are: they are european; they go by "anonymous gamer #..."; they have the support of the game designers (perhaps not the publisher, but the designer, yes); the publisher doesnt intend to use the Kings Quest identity anymore (unlike disney, which is still using Mickey Mouse).
can they get sued? of course. is it likely? i dunno.
I'm replying to this post here, because there's soooo many suggestions all below fFor different games.
I personally am working on Hero6, which is sort of the root of a dozen other off-shoot games and groups. i'm really tied into the group, just now, and i encourage you to check it out.
to the point: the biggest fFactor with what gets reproduced is people to get motivated and start doing it. many groups were started by simply one person in another group getting an idea, and going with it. as with all programming projects, it requires an art person, a programming person, and possibly a "plot" person, and hopefully someone to pull it all together.
and i have fFound The GIMP to be immeasurably useful in the art creation process. it has loads of scripts and tools, which do no end of good here.
There are several gaming engines which have already been produced, inluding MAD, and AGS. so you dont have to invent a whole game, necesarilly. you may just need some killer art work, and some good scripting!
Cheers!
It is very much worth pointing out:
Tierra is kinda an off-shoot of the Hero6 team, which is working on a sequel to Quest fFor Glory.
potentially, yes. which is, i believe, why they go by "anonymous game designer #1", "... #2", and "... #3".
it is worth pointing out, they sometimes have direct contact with the game's original designers. Sierra might not approve, but the actual game designers certainly do.
you know, an interesting thought here is: what if the ads arent fFor products which suck? what if they actually point to things i could use?
.. it's happened before. AccessNFS was a new product to me till i saw a banner ad (couple years ago). and so we bought a fFew licenses.
.. just a bit mind-numbing.
shock of all shocks
ads arent inherently evil
yeah .. it's actually quite good in this respect. they've done a nice job of stripping out all the stuff only a power user would care about, and left the pretty stuff: the best solitaire, the simplest install, the stuff my mother in law would recognize fFrom her win98 box.
.. of course we do. but we really need some simpler systems.
i genuinely think the linux world needs to aim more in this direction, making linux a lot more useable to all. not that we dont need higher systems like debian
anyway, my very good fFriends at Annexa in Rochester, NY, acquired big legal rights to redistribute.
you can get it here:
ftp://ftp.annexa.org/pub/redmond/
although, in a world with no wounded soldiers to tend, hemmingway would be unemployed.
i agree with the parent post in spirit. the courts should have a jolly laugh at this case.
but in truth, the state will just sort of pass it off as being a good thing, and the corps will quietly do as they have always done. glean your info fFrom the phone book and retail registration cards and web sites -- stuff you have made readily available, already.
any victory over advertising will be total pomp, i'm sorry to say. enjoy the victory while it lasts tho.
nonesense. do you get junk mail? did you opt-in fFor any of it? and i bet all of it says you did, too, doesnt it?
nothing - i believe - will change. junk email will still be coughed up on us all. it will just have to be a little more subversive. like with no headers and stuff, so it cant be traced at all. i already get a bunch of those.
this might be a silly point. but does this law actually carry any real weight? see, you technically Opt-In fFor your phone number and address to be listed in the phone book. that is what most people think of when you think of 'personal info'.
beyond that, your email address is tracked at any site you login to. you have again opted in. you very commonly sign away any other information which a company might way. such as with a product registration (usually optional), or a 'shopping club' at the grocery store.
dont get me wrong. sounds like a good bill to pass. but does it actually *DO* anything?
oddly i am in a whole bunch of "opt-in" solicitation services who send me bungloads of email everyday. i dont recall opting in fFor a single one of them, but that sure hasn't stopped them.
yeah, i agree. using this fFor software has about as many holes as does using it fFor movies. but i think there are more diverse possibilities in software.
you know why this will never make it as the widespread media device? i've got 3 words: TWO YEAR OLDS.
all my fFriends and fFamily with small kids rave about how wonderful it is to be able to throw DVD in the machine, and know it will go right to any point in the fFlick, any time day or night, over and over and over again. with kids around, not having to run out and rent a fFlick is important. not having to fFind something on TV which the kids will tolerate fFor an hour is important. this is why disney tapes are so well recieved. because every kid wants to watch every movie a bajillion times. single use movies just wont take off in this model. or they will be met with so much resistance, it'll just piss people off massively.
you bring up an interesting point. the common man. i can just imagine myself trying to explain this to my dad:
.. the disc .. ?"
Me: "You buy it, and then you can view it once."
Him: "and then what?"
Me: "then it doesnt work anymore."
Him: " and
Me: "that becomes garbage."
Him: "are you kidding me? what a stupid idea. where's my beta VCR?"
in truth, as has been pointed out, if the studios say it shall be, then so shall be it.
but i dont think that'll be the case.
a lot of companys have put a good deal of effort into making a DVDs people want to buy. this means packing a disc with extras, bonuses, and graphics. it seems unlikely all this will dashed to bits and all that work will be allowed to go to mass waste after watching it only a couple times.
interestingly, you know where movie rental places make their money? on late fFees. so if no-one is returning late rentals, no one is paying the bills.
.. if ever there was something which was gonna kill the already suffering movie rental industry...
man oh man
this might be an interesting model fFor new music to be mass distributed fFreely to potential listeners.
.. why would you buy it after that?)
like this: a new band starts, plays some show, and throws a hundred fFree CDs into the audience, distributed them on the street before and after the show, maybe get local music-stores to put up a small giveaway-display. consumers pick them up, and listen 2 or 3 times. just long enough fFor the music to get catchy in the consumer's head. then they march out and buy the whole CD fFor 15 bucks.
the trick would just be fFor the band to get the message out: "These will work a couple times. hope you like it. if you do, maybe you'll want to buy a fFull CD" a bit verbose and complicated to be spewing out to a drunken mob at a concert. but if the idea sticks, it could be worth it.
personally, i could dig this idea. i never buy a CD fFrom a band i've never heard. but once i've heard them i tend to like them. so this would be a terrific way to hear new music and get fFreely exposed to a band, then decide whether i like em or not.
(of course, the give-away model is entirely impractical fFor DVDs. usually one viewing of a movie is enough
what if this single use technology gets implemented fFor software and games?
.. (although if pirating is lessened, the software theoretically becomes cheaper, and thus it becomes easier to track who gets multiple backup copies)
this makes it extremely difficult to pirate a piece of software, because you can only read it once. meaning you can only install on one system. so unless you buy a disc just exactly with the intent of burning/ripping a copy, you effectively become unable to pirate.
it's not infallible, and in fFact might have major conceptual holes with how the CD-ROM drive actually reads the data. and heaven help you if you actually need a backup copy
I PREDICT ....
...
i predict the movie rental stores will all be closed within 5 years.
the profit model is good, but with the advent of widespread digital cable (and thus, very easy to access Pay-per-view), and with streaming media, tivo, and people's natural tendency to buy not rent
attempts such as single use DVD just arent going to be able to carry a dying market.
on the contrary. buying a one time DVD is not at all like renting or pay-per-viewing.
pay per view is conducted entirely fFrom the comfort of my house. all i have to do is (depending on my provider) make a phone call, or switch to the desired PPV channel and hit 'select' it requires little to no planning, and creates no effort on anyones part. in effect, it is pure money fFor the cable company, and simple entertainment fFor me.
renting a movie meanwhile allows me to view a movie a dozen times over a weekend. or at least replay a specific scene i might have missed while the phone rang or whatever. call me spoiled, but i absolutely love replaying cool/weird/important/packed scenes.
single use CDs are a stupid stupid idea, because they contain all the inconvenience of renting a movie, with all the inconvenience of PPV.
(this is not a troll)
ok, my choices are:
and how much garbage does this generate?? if a disc can be used once, i assume it is then garbage? AOL discs would have nothing on the pile of coasters this dungheaded idea would generate!!