Included in Microsoft's plans are 24-hours-per-day, seven-days-a-week security hot lines, consultations, and collaboration with other vendors on security issues, Valentine said.
I used to work for a Microsoft Solution Provider, whose job it was to sell and support Microsoft products. And yet they have several different levels of support which they charged us for. We actually had to pay for "Premium" support to get access to information, knowledge base articles etc that would help us fix or workaround a problem one of our clients had with their products. In other words, they were denying us access to information, fixes, known problems, incompatabilities, etc. that would help us do our job supporting THEM and THEIR software unless we paid them. And we were an "Official" Microsoft Solution Provider!!
First of all I would argue that hostility towards others is not nearly the same proportion in the real world as it is on Slashdot. As Jon noted, the vast majority of flamers would *not* say those things to someone's face.
Second, hearing everything that everyone has to say about the topic is fine. It's the ones who have nothing to say about the topic and simply post crap that is the problem. I don't feel a comment of "go fuck yourself and die" as a response to ANY topic is relevant or needed.
Third, there is a lot more to online etiquette than read, post, or not. To even suggest that's all there is to it, in a post moderated up to five, only goes to show how far the breakdown has gone.
Fourth, why is starting AC posts at 0 so offensive to you? Why is banning AC posts so offensive to you? Anyone would still be free to post any kind of crap they want, they'd just have to do it under their own name. It doesn't restrict you from posting at all, it only restricts you from posting without taking responsibility for what you say. Then, and this is the best part, you go on to say that outlawing AC posts will prevent people from posting for fear of retribution in the form of flames and hate mail which is the POINT OF THE WHOLE SERIES!!!. The flames and hate mail and hostility is preventing people from joining online communities and participating in the discussion. You just proved his point.
I think the thing that distresses me the most about this whole thing is the sheer number of people actually arguing in favor of hostility, and then jumping all over Katz for even suggesting it's a problem.
I had heard that the problems were that the machines were programmed to look at 2 days at once and couldn't deal with it. They expect the problem to go away after the New Year when they can again look at only one date. Course this was mainstream media I got my info from so take it for what it's worth.
I haven't read all of the messages posted but I'm surprised that no one has mentioned workspot.net. Not only is it free but it's linux! Lot's of other features as well. Check it out
First of all IANAP (I am not a programmer) but if I read that right, would that not create a y2k+30 problem in 30 yrs if all 2 digit dates 30 and beyond were considered to be 1930- ?
The information IS free, the compiling of it into a usable form is not. Why is this such a hard concept to understand? If you want to take the time to compile a list of every city in the US and their zip code, you are welcome to do it. But if someone has ALREADY done it, I for one would be willing to pay for that. Why do so many people have trouble distinguishing between raw data and usable information? This is a no brainer to me. That's why I pay for maps. Sure I could go to city hall, get the list of street names and the fucking surveyors maps or whatever, and create my own map. But why!! Every book ever written is in the dictionary, but I'll gladly pay for someone to put the words in order.
Fetchingly clad in a light blue plaid shirt? Wonderfully fuzzy, warm-looking red, white, grey and blue sweater? LOL Roblimo, I've never seen your picture but I'm guessing you ain't close to Rebecca Romijn(?) Stamos. I'll be awaiting your report on Entertainment Tonight. hehe But seriously congrats to all the winners!
Considering that 99.9% of people hate recieving spam emails, my question is why do they keep sending it? I didn't major in marketing but it seems to me if you're trying to sell something the last thing you want to do is piss off the very people you're trying to sell to. It just doesn't make any sense to me.
Ok, I admit I'm a bit slow on the whole WTO thing. To be quite honest, I didn't even know it was being held in Seattle. Gimme a break, I just got laid off last week. I got other things on my mind. Anyway, my biggest concern, given my admittedly shallow perception of things, is what's the point of looting stores? I was just at the CNN site and they had a picture of a guy breaking into Starbucks. WTF? Seems a bit like the LA riots (which I was here for)after the Rodney King verdict. It was about Rodney King for about, oh, 15 minutes. Then it was about a brand new 27" TV!! Why do protests that start out as having a valid point (again, I'm not up to speed yet) end up by rioting, trashing stores, burning cars and whatever else people can think up?
Did you double check, triple check, email, call, write a letter to make sure it was ok to post this story? Don't want people getting upset now do we? Sarcasm not only implied but required. Yeah off topic, tired of Hemos bashing.
Personally I think it is your analysis that is flawed. I don't think Hemos or Slashdot "manufactured" or "blew up" an insignificant event into "news". They posted an item about a mailing list post. That's it. Stop. Hemos never gave a comment one way or the other about it. The several hundred people who posted comments are the ones that "blew it up". And apparently they didn't think it was insignificant.
Sued for what? They posted a story, I'm sure they can come up with the message that prompted it on the mailing list. Not their fault if someone else picks up on it, and not their fault if people post out their ass. I'm thinking of renaming it "AC's are idiots, Shut the fuck up."
What makes you think Slashdot is journalistic in any sense? They are a "portal" and "forum". When is the last time you've seen Slashdot break a story, researched, full text, etc etc? 99% of it is links to other sites where presumably the story has been researched, edited, passed by the lawyers etc. That's the portal part. Then when you're done reading the article you come back here and post a comment, or a comment to someone else's comment. That's the forum part. Remember this is "News for Nerds" and "Stuff that Matters" not "News we hope everyone will agree with and post really nice things about Linux and generate good press". Neither Hemos or anyone else can predict how people will react to a story. They just post it, and at the time it was posted Bruce was contemplating a lawsuit. It isn't incumbent on Hemos to contact Bruce and ask "are you serious? Are you really gonna do this?" As for Corel, I don't know if they've done anything wrong or not but I've seen enough problems reported that unless their distro cleans my apt and sucks my dick, I won't bother with it.
I think you are confusing "Slashdot" the web site with "Slashdot" the morons who post. What are they supposed to do? Look at every story submission and run it through some filter and try and guess how people will react? Bullshit. People need to think for themselves, take responsibily for themselves and stop blaming Hemos, or whoever who posted the story for the comments it generated. Christ.
It's only a flame magnet if you make it one. Rob, Hemos et al, just put it up, it's the readers who turn it into a free for all. Some folks just need to think twice before hitting the submit button. Yeah like that'll happen.
As a systems engineer, I was on salary. (Got laid off 2 days ago, everyone else is hiring except Ikon and they're laying people off. Go figure.) Minimal overtime though, and if there was any it was usually compensated by time off or applied towards your monthly hours billed. My company kept track of hours billed and paid a $100 bonus for every 10 hrs over 120/month billed. p.s. I fucking hate first post idiots, especially when they have nothing to say.
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I used to work for a Microsoft Solution Provider, whose job it was to sell and support Microsoft products. And yet they have several different levels of support which they charged us for. We actually had to pay for "Premium" support to get access to information, knowledge base articles etc that would help us fix or workaround a problem one of our clients had with their products. In other words, they were denying us access to information, fixes, known problems, incompatabilities, etc. that would help us do our job supporting THEM and THEIR software unless we paid them. And we were an "Official" Microsoft Solution Provider!!
First of all I would argue that hostility towards others is not nearly the same proportion in the real world as it is on Slashdot. As Jon noted, the vast majority of flamers would *not* say those things to someone's face.
Second, hearing everything that everyone has to say about the topic is fine. It's the ones who have nothing to say about the topic and simply post crap that is the problem. I don't feel a comment of "go fuck yourself and die" as a response to ANY topic is relevant or needed.
Third, there is a lot more to online etiquette than read, post, or not. To even suggest that's all there is to it, in a post moderated up to five, only goes to show how far the breakdown has gone.
Fourth, why is starting AC posts at 0 so offensive to you? Why is banning AC posts so offensive to you? Anyone would still be free to post any kind of crap they want, they'd just have to do it under their own name. It doesn't restrict you from posting at all, it only restricts you from posting without taking responsibility for what you say. Then, and this is the best part, you go on to say that outlawing AC posts will prevent people from posting for fear of retribution in the form of flames and hate mail which is the POINT OF THE WHOLE SERIES!!!. The flames and hate mail and hostility is preventing people from joining online communities and participating in the discussion. You just proved his point.
I think the thing that distresses me the most about this whole thing is the sheer number of people actually arguing in favor of hostility, and then jumping all over Katz for even suggesting it's a problem.
according to my calculations, you missed it by one. I saw a Jan 01, 12:00EST that was post number 126.
now that's funny.
I had heard that the problems were that the machines were programmed to look at 2 days at once and couldn't deal with it. They expect the problem to go away after the New Year when they can again look at only one date. Course this was mainstream media I got my info from so take it for what it's worth.
One of the players has to pee like a racehorse and concedes the game. Just a guess, however. I could be wrong.
I haven't read all of the messages posted but I'm surprised that no one has mentioned workspot.net. Not only is it free but it's linux! Lot's of other features as well. Check it out
First of all IANAP (I am not a programmer) but if I read that right, would that not create a y2k+30 problem in 30 yrs if all 2 digit dates 30 and beyond were considered to be 1930- ?
The information IS free, the compiling of it into a usable form is not. Why is this such a hard concept to understand? If you want to take the time to compile a list of every city in the US and their zip code, you are welcome to do it. But if someone has ALREADY done it, I for one would be willing to pay for that.
Why do so many people have trouble distinguishing between raw data and usable information? This is a no brainer to me. That's why I pay for maps. Sure I could go to city hall, get the list of street names and the fucking surveyors maps or whatever, and create my own map. But why!!
Every book ever written is in the dictionary, but I'll gladly pay for someone to put the words in order.
Fetchingly clad in a light blue plaid shirt? Wonderfully fuzzy, warm-looking red, white, grey and blue sweater? LOL
Roblimo, I've never seen your picture but I'm guessing you ain't close to Rebecca Romijn(?) Stamos. I'll be awaiting your report on Entertainment Tonight. hehe
But seriously congrats to all the winners!
Considering that 99.9% of people hate recieving spam emails, my question is why do they keep sending it? I didn't major in marketing but it seems to me if you're trying to sell something the last thing you want to do is piss off the very people you're trying to sell to. It just doesn't make any sense to me.
*LOL* That was my thought exactly when I read the article.
submitting your own article is bad karma. of course getting a free t-shirt is good karma. So you'd come out even. Ok, give 'em a t-shirt.
Ok, I admit I'm a bit slow on the whole WTO thing. To be quite honest, I didn't even know it was being held in Seattle. Gimme a break, I just got laid off last week. I got other things on my mind.
Anyway, my biggest concern, given my admittedly shallow perception of things, is what's the point of looting stores? I was just at the CNN site and they had a picture of a guy breaking into Starbucks. WTF?
Seems a bit like the LA riots (which I was here for)after the Rodney King verdict. It was about Rodney King for about, oh, 15 minutes. Then it was about a brand new 27" TV!!
Why do protests that start out as having a valid point (again, I'm not up to speed yet) end up by rioting, trashing stores, burning cars and whatever else people can think up?
Good thing I got certified when I did.
all hell would break loose. Check your sources!! ID didn't do anything wrong!! It was posted!! They made a mistake!! Hemos sucks!!
Christ.
Did you double check, triple check, email, call, write a letter to make sure it was ok to post this story? Don't want people getting upset now do we?
Sarcasm not only implied but required. Yeah off topic, tired of Hemos bashing.
Personally I think it is your analysis that is flawed. I don't think Hemos or Slashdot "manufactured" or "blew up" an insignificant event into "news". They posted an item about a mailing list post. That's it. Stop. Hemos never gave a comment one way or the other about it. The several hundred people who posted comments are the ones that "blew it up". And apparently they didn't think it was insignificant.
Sued for what? They posted a story, I'm sure they can come up with the message that prompted it on the mailing list. Not their fault if someone else picks up on it, and not their fault if people post out their ass.
I'm thinking of renaming it "AC's are idiots, Shut the fuck up."
What makes you think Slashdot is journalistic in any sense? They are a "portal" and "forum". When is the last time you've seen Slashdot break a story, researched, full text, etc etc? 99% of it is links to other sites where presumably the story has been researched, edited, passed by the lawyers etc. That's the portal part. Then when you're done reading the article you come back here and post a comment, or a comment to someone else's comment. That's the forum part.
Remember this is "News for Nerds" and "Stuff that Matters" not "News we hope everyone will agree with and post really nice things about Linux and generate good press". Neither Hemos or anyone else can predict how people will react to a story. They just post it, and at the time it was posted Bruce was contemplating a lawsuit. It isn't incumbent on Hemos to contact Bruce and ask "are you serious? Are you really gonna do this?"
As for Corel, I don't know if they've done anything wrong or not but I've seen enough problems reported that unless their distro cleans my apt and sucks my dick, I won't bother with it.
I wish Slashdot would dump AC's.
I think you are confusing "Slashdot" the web site with "Slashdot" the morons who post. What are they supposed to do? Look at every story submission and run it through some filter and try and guess how people will react? Bullshit. People need to think for themselves, take responsibily for themselves and stop blaming Hemos, or whoever who posted the story for the comments it generated. Christ.
It's only a flame magnet if you make it one. Rob, Hemos et al, just put it up, it's the readers who turn it into a free for all. Some folks just need to think twice before hitting the submit button. Yeah like that'll happen.
airing one's bottomless ignorance in public is, well, stupid?
Like you're doing? Hemos helps run the place ya fucking moron.
As a systems engineer, I was on salary. (Got laid off 2 days ago, everyone else is hiring except Ikon and they're laying people off. Go figure.) Minimal overtime though, and if there was any it was usually compensated by time off or applied towards your monthly hours billed. My company kept track of hours billed and paid a $100 bonus for every 10 hrs over 120/month billed.
p.s. I fucking hate first post idiots, especially when they have nothing to say.