Apparently, however, Poettering was out having a few beers when the "modular OS" concept was being discussed. So he doesn't know how to create "shit on his machine". Instead, he has to integrate it so tightly into the OS that the shit must be on everyone's machine, whether they like it or not.
Which would be bad enough to begin with. Whoever gave him the right to make his shit the essential system component of the Red Hat OS without consulting anyone has a lot to answer for.
He bring new code, but brings nothing new. That's called re-inventing the wheel, and in Poettering's case, the old wheels worked better and didn't go flat as often, and were easier for average people to fix.
Oh come on, admit it. Unix always had the reputation that the "average person" couldn't do anything with it.
What we're dealing with now is something that neither "average person" nor "master geek" find easy to fix.
No I'm not. The world isn't the binary place that the political pundits want us to believe it is.
Ubuntu is quite definitely a desktop OS, just like Fedora. But both Ubuntu and Fedora have connections to enterprise services. Fedora's is more direct, since it's the proving ground for Red Hat, but Ubuntu has its enterprise contributors as well. And some of them are doing more than just porting Red Hat these days - they're doing original work in their own right.
Unfortunately a lot of projects pick overly clever code names and get themselves all tangled up with existing popular search terms, to the detriment of both.
When I first got into computers, the startup sequence was hard-coded into the kernel, as was the command shell. The idea of plug-replaceable shells and filesystems came later, along with customizable startup sequences and other buffet-style services.
I'm beginning to feel like we've stopped moving forward and have started moving backwards.
I know systemd sneers at the old Unix convention of keeping it simple, keeping it separate, but that's not the only convention they spit on. God intended Unix (Linux) commands to be cryptic things 2-4 letters long (like "su", for example). Not "systemctl", "machinectl", "journalctl", etc. Might as well just give everything a 47-character long multi-word command like the old Apple commando shell did.
Seriously, though, when you're banging through system commands all day long, it gets old and their choices aren't especially friendly to tab completion. On top of which why is "machinectl" a shell and not some sort of hardware function? They should have just named the bloody thing command.com.
The same as MS Windows. It is just the one people know. That does not make it a good choice for the cloud, just a familiar one. Judging technological quality from numbers used by a non-expert or mixed crowd is not a valid way to judge merit and suitability.
Not quite. Ubuntu is a descendent of Debian, and Debian's greatest strength has always been the desktop, but Ubuntu started adapting a lot of the Enterprise features from Red Hat about a decade ago. It often was a strain, since there's some big differences between architecture and packaging relative to Red Hat, but they're always had an eye towards the Enterprise.
Much of the cloud and container advances have been coming from Ubuntu.
It's only a matter of time before real programming becomes a licensed profession.
And as a developer who know what he's doing, I can't fucking wait for all the clowns to be weeded out of my profession.
And if you don't want actual standards and real legal responsibility, YOU ARE ONE OF THE CLOWNS.
They tried licensing exams back in the 1970s and failed. Even back then, the field was too broad for a 1-size-fits-all set of exams. The only ways I can see to make licensing work is by having a trustworthy board that certifies based on proven training or experience. And based on union practices, getting a board that isn't slanted towards "friends" is hard enough.
Then again, as long as employers hire whoever bids the least over skills or experience, you can forget about them paying for licensed practitioners.
Efficiency in modern business is measured by how many hours you spend in your cubicle chair like an inflatable Bozo doll looking like you're typing something. Not on actual production of a quality product.
And you're expected to be 110% efficient, so if you could come in Saturday... that would be great.
Once upon a time you had to write a type renderer if you wanted to write a wordprocessor, now the OS does that for you. Once upon a time you had to drive the audio directly, now the OS does that. 3D? You had to write your own stack, now OS does that.
Really its a LOT easier for one person to write a full app these days, and behind a lot of those mega teams you'll find there is actually one person doing the heavy lifting.
I find it trivial to do major apps these days.
The old Silver Bullet.
Never happened. They keep moving the goalposts. With the resources available these days, it would be fairly easy to create a WordStar in short order - as long as you didn't expect the original WordStar's resource frugality. But a modern-day app needs to run in a windowing system. And have menus, dialogs and toolbars. And interact with all sorts of programs. And handle lots of file formats. And be Internet-friendly. And have this "essential" feature and that "essential" feature. And so forth. Modern-day apps even for mobile devices dwarf the old-time mainframe operating systems.
And then they come to us and say that they want an eBay with Amazon.com capabilities by next Thursday. Because "All You Have To Do Is..."
I love how Alaska gets included with the rest of the nation even though we have nothing close to a water shortage with all the glaciers up here. We should have been grouped with Canada.
You have glaciers now. But California gets, um got a significant amount of water from its mountain snowpack, as well. Another big chunk of Greenland glacier fell off into the sea this week.
Florida has been under water restrictions for decades. And it's surrounded by water on 3 sides. Just not potable water.
I'd say the Met became complacent if they haven't made the short list. Either they're charging too much for what they do, or they aren't doing it as well as the competitors who submitted tenders.
Or they might be doing it better than anyone else, but they figure that a premium service should command a premium price and the BBC's bean counters wanted Lower Prices Everyday[TM] just like on their kid's toys, milk and pet food.
I cannot remember the name or exact details, but one story in particular seemed to exemplify it. Something about a Jack-the-Ripper style character wandering through the streets of town and finding himself unable to terrorize anyone because they'd had all of the atavistic fears and such carefully chemically (and otherwise) ironed out.
A little girl played alone in the street at night with no street lights and wasn't afraid, because who'd be afraid of the dark (Obviously this doesn't portray 21st Century USA, where such things get the parents arrested). No fear of death, just clean incineration. In the end, a bunch of featureless men just bundled him up and tossed him in the incinerator - he was paralyzed.
Fahrenheit 451 has echoes of this kind of stuff. One reason books were banned was because they were considered to be a source of social instability and a threat to the overall placidity of the community.
There are right-wing wingnuts with their guns and their bibles, etc., etc. and left-wing wingnuts who are rabidly offended by everything, including offences against people/creatures/institutions they have nothing in common with. And many more types besides.
What's ironic about them is that a true wingnut - the mechanical fastener type, has one ear on the right and one ear on the left. Break off either ear and the device becomes practically useless.
Making people think about things is EXACTLY the kind of subversion that threatens the Powers that Be.
And maybe you and Stephen King like to write innocuous fluff, but many of the classics of literature became classics precisely because they were questioning people's certitudes.
In fact, somewhere circa 1970, Harlan Ellison published an entire series of books titled "Dangerous Visions" whose many and varied contents were supposed to be on the edge.
I'm sure that J. Edgar had a field day with "A Boy and His Dog". Ursula LeGuin explored sexual fluidity at a time when being simply gay could earn you a beating, much less being transsexual. Terry Pratchett was rather famous for noting that while living in a slum practically made you a criminal, owning a whole block of rat-infested tenements merely meant that you got invited to all the best high-society parties. And on, and on, and on.
What I find very curious are the web sites whose home pages are fully and completely written in Flash. If you do not enable flash, you see nothing but a blank page.
.
The owners of those websites were probably sold a bill of goods for a "cool website" by the same designers who proffered flaming logos 20 years ago....
I can name one of the world's largest and best-known automobile manufacturers who did a Flash-only site at a time when I didn't have any Flash-capable computers.
I bought my new car from one of their competitors who had a site I could actually use.
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Apparently, however, Poettering was out having a few beers when the "modular OS" concept was being discussed. So he doesn't know how to create "shit on his machine". Instead, he has to integrate it so tightly into the OS that the shit must be on everyone's machine, whether they like it or not.
Which would be bad enough to begin with. Whoever gave him the right to make his shit the essential system component of the Red Hat OS without consulting anyone has a lot to answer for.
He bring new code, but brings nothing new. That's called re-inventing the wheel, and in Poettering's case, the old wheels worked better and didn't go flat as often, and were easier for average people to fix.
Oh come on, admit it. Unix always had the reputation that the "average person" couldn't do anything with it.
What we're dealing with now is something that neither "average person" nor "master geek" find easy to fix.
Maybe mixing su with systemd is like mixing PCP and acid
Sulfuric or hydrochloric?
No I'm not. The world isn't the binary place that the political pundits want us to believe it is.
Ubuntu is quite definitely a desktop OS, just like Fedora. But both Ubuntu and Fedora have connections to enterprise services. Fedora's is more direct, since it's the proving ground for Red Hat, but Ubuntu has its enterprise contributors as well. And some of them are doing more than just porting Red Hat these days - they're doing original work in their own right.
Quite true.
Unfortunately a lot of projects pick overly clever code names and get themselves all tangled up with existing popular search terms, to the detriment of both.
When I first got into computers, the startup sequence was hard-coded into the kernel, as was the command shell. The idea of plug-replaceable shells and filesystems came later, along with customizable startup sequences and other buffet-style services.
I'm beginning to feel like we've stopped moving forward and have started moving backwards.
Alberich. OK, so that's a dwarf.
A homicidal dwarf who hides the treasure and turns into a dragon.
Sounds about right.
I know systemd sneers at the old Unix convention of keeping it simple, keeping it separate, but that's not the only convention they spit on. God intended Unix (Linux) commands to be cryptic things 2-4 letters long (like "su", for example). Not "systemctl", "machinectl", "journalctl", etc. Might as well just give everything a 47-character long multi-word command like the old Apple commando shell did.
Seriously, though, when you're banging through system commands all day long, it gets old and their choices aren't especially friendly to tab completion. On top of which why is "machinectl" a shell and not some sort of hardware function? They should have just named the bloody thing command.com.
The same as MS Windows. It is just the one people know. That does not make it a good choice for the cloud, just a familiar one. Judging technological quality from numbers used by a non-expert or mixed crowd is not a valid way to judge merit and suitability.
Not quite. Ubuntu is a descendent of Debian, and Debian's greatest strength has always been the desktop, but Ubuntu started adapting a lot of the Enterprise features from Red Hat about a decade ago. It often was a strain, since there's some big differences between architecture and packaging relative to Red Hat, but they're always had an eye towards the Enterprise.
Much of the cloud and container advances have been coming from Ubuntu.
It's only a matter of time before real programming becomes a licensed profession.
And as a developer who know what he's doing, I can't fucking wait for all the clowns to be weeded out of my profession.
And if you don't want actual standards and real legal responsibility, YOU ARE ONE OF THE CLOWNS.
They tried licensing exams back in the 1970s and failed. Even back then, the field was too broad for a 1-size-fits-all set of exams. The only ways I can see to make licensing work is by having a trustworthy board that certifies based on proven training or experience. And based on union practices, getting a board that isn't slanted towards "friends" is hard enough.
Then again, as long as employers hire whoever bids the least over skills or experience, you can forget about them paying for licensed practitioners.
Efficiency in modern business is measured by how many hours you spend in your cubicle chair like an inflatable Bozo doll looking like you're typing something. Not on actual production of a quality product.
And you're expected to be 110% efficient, so if you could come in Saturday ... that would be great.
Once upon a time you had to write a type renderer if you wanted to write a wordprocessor, now the OS does that for you.
Once upon a time you had to drive the audio directly, now the OS does that.
3D? You had to write your own stack, now OS does that.
Really its a LOT easier for one person to write a full app these days, and behind a lot of those mega teams you'll find there is actually one person doing the heavy lifting.
I find it trivial to do major apps these days.
The old Silver Bullet.
Never happened. They keep moving the goalposts. With the resources available these days, it would be fairly easy to create a WordStar in short order - as long as you didn't expect the original WordStar's resource frugality. But a modern-day app needs to run in a windowing system. And have menus, dialogs and toolbars. And interact with all sorts of programs. And handle lots of file formats. And be Internet-friendly. And have this "essential" feature and that "essential" feature. And so forth. Modern-day apps even for mobile devices dwarf the old-time mainframe operating systems.
And then they come to us and say that they want an eBay with Amazon.com capabilities by next Thursday. Because "All You Have To Do Is..."
I believe this could work in Israel's favor, as they forge a path to peace with the region.
So when do they stop bulldozing and start forging?
And yes, I know the Palestinians are launching rockets. The best way to achieve peace isn't tit-for-tat. Ask Ireland.
I love how Alaska gets included with the rest of the nation even though we have nothing close to a water shortage with all the glaciers up here. We should have been grouped with Canada.
You have glaciers now. But California gets, um got a significant amount of water from its mountain snowpack, as well. Another big chunk of Greenland glacier fell off into the sea this week.
Florida has been under water restrictions for decades. And it's surrounded by water on 3 sides. Just not potable water.
Actually, a lot of that area was underseas a few million years ago, but what difference does that make here and in the near future?
It's strongly suspected that a lot of the Mesoamerican civilization collapses (Olmecs, Maya, etc. were related to rainfall changes.
And a change IS a bad one if it happens to punish where you live.
Well, we'll just have to be pro-active and leverage our synergies.
Circa 1985, 48K would have been a fairly large program even for a minicomputer system (e.g., Unix).
grep, sed, make, more, I forget what all, especially since some were GNU and some were simply Unix ports to CP/M.
Just that when I first encountered Linux, the GPL wasn't exactly news to me.
Correction: Happy Birthday GNU/Linux. After all, GNU software makes up 75% of the codebase of any "Linux" distribution. Show some respect.
Some of that gnu stuff is a LOT older than 24 years. I was using some of it under CP/M back before Linux started school.
It's the LINUX part of it that's having the birthday.
I'd say the Met became complacent if they haven't made the short list. Either they're charging too much for what they do, or they aren't doing it as well as the competitors who submitted tenders.
Or they might be doing it better than anyone else, but they figure that a premium service should command a premium price and the BBC's bean counters wanted Lower Prices Everyday[TM] just like on their kid's toys, milk and pet food.
I cannot remember the name or exact details, but one story in particular seemed to exemplify it. Something about a Jack-the-Ripper style character wandering through the streets of town and finding himself unable to terrorize anyone because they'd had all of the atavistic fears and such carefully chemically (and otherwise) ironed out.
A little girl played alone in the street at night with no street lights and wasn't afraid, because who'd be afraid of the dark (Obviously this doesn't portray 21st Century USA, where such things get the parents arrested). No fear of death, just clean incineration. In the end, a bunch of featureless men just bundled him up and tossed him in the incinerator - he was paralyzed.
Fahrenheit 451 has echoes of this kind of stuff. One reason books were banned was because they were considered to be a source of social instability and a threat to the overall placidity of the community.
You do not believe that the USA is governed by the major corporate shareholders?
There are right-wing wingnuts with their guns and their bibles, etc., etc. and left-wing wingnuts who are rabidly offended by everything, including offences against people/creatures/institutions they have nothing in common with. And many more types besides.
What's ironic about them is that a true wingnut - the mechanical fastener type, has one ear on the right and one ear on the left. Break off either ear and the device becomes practically useless.
Making people think about things is EXACTLY the kind of subversion that threatens the Powers that Be.
And maybe you and Stephen King like to write innocuous fluff, but many of the classics of literature became classics precisely because they were questioning people's certitudes.
In fact, somewhere circa 1970, Harlan Ellison published an entire series of books titled "Dangerous Visions" whose many and varied contents were supposed to be on the edge.
I'm sure that J. Edgar had a field day with "A Boy and His Dog". Ursula LeGuin explored sexual fluidity at a time when being simply gay could earn you a beating, much less being transsexual. Terry Pratchett was rather famous for noting that while living in a slum practically made you a criminal, owning a whole block of rat-infested tenements merely meant that you got invited to all the best high-society parties. And on, and on, and on.
What I find very curious are the web sites whose home pages are fully and completely written in Flash. If you do not enable flash, you see nothing but a blank page.
.
The owners of those websites were probably sold a bill of goods for a "cool website" by the same designers who proffered flaming logos 20 years ago....
I can name one of the world's largest and best-known automobile manufacturers who did a Flash-only site at a time when I didn't have any Flash-capable computers.
I bought my new car from one of their competitors who had a site I could actually use.