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Happy Birthday, Linux! An OS At 24
prisoninmate writes: It has been 24 long years since the first ever release of the Linux project on August 25, 1991, which is the core component of any GNU/Linux distribution. With this occasion we want to remind everyone that Linux is everywhere, even if you don't see it. You use Linux when you search on Google, when you use your phone, when buy metro tickets, actually the whole Internet is powered by Linux. Happy Birthday, Linux!
Except for where it is powered by Windows.
And I really hope Linux will last at least another 24 years (2039: they'll have to fix that 32 bit time since the Epoch, though).
Slashdot, fix the reply notifications... You won't get away with it...
Says the AC with an axe to grind
Time for bed, said Zebedee - boing
...when I had my first experience with the Internet in 1996. And, all in all I have probably used more bytes downloading Linux related stuff than Pamela Anderson GIF:s, which sort of gives hope for the future.
I've been using Linux, in varying capacities in both my personal and work life, since that fateful day in fall of 1996 when I popped a Slackware CD into my Dell Latitude P-133 laptop. Yet, I still don't love it as much as I should.
Why? Because, as I found out this week when I installed Ubuntu 14.04 LTS on a VM to power a SAS installation at work, it still sucks in so many ways. Is it better than it was 19 years ago? Not really. I still had to think; still had to work to get the damn thing to run; and grub still gave me a rash and a shit to get up and running.
Yeah, the Debian install I originally made back in November of 2002 is still running, after many a dist-upgrade, and it's going strong; however, I still have my love/hate w/Linux after nearly 20 years living with it daily.
I've always been excited for the next big thing. The next moment when it would be that system I could easily use on my desktop or laptop and interoperate w/the rest of the world; yet, here I am, typing this on a machine, provided to me by my company, I never thought I'd use (a MBPr), ever.
Yeah, Linux runs the Internet and many of our phones, yet, I still hate it as much as I did when I was 17 years old, for many of the same reasons.
I'll be happily waiting for another 24 while it continues to grow and do its thing but, unlike the visions many of us saw for Linux back in the day, it has not shaped up like we thought it would. Successful? ABSOLUTELY. But as successful and brilliant as it should be 24 years later, ABSOLUTELY NOT.
People don't give a damn about underlying quality. They want a tool that does the job. Linux, for whatever reason, picked up critical mass to get enough developers so that it does the job.
That's life, I guess.
Correction: Happy Birthday GNU/Linux. After all, GNU software makes up 75% of the codebase of any "Linux" distribution. Show some respect.
Some of that gnu stuff is a LOT older than 24 years. I was using some of it under CP/M back before Linux started school.
It's the LINUX part of it that's having the birthday.
You should write an angry letter to your congressman.
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Like you, I use Linux professionally as well as at home, as a developer and user of many CAD and development tools. I've deployed it in embedded environments in a number of scientific intsruments. I simply don't recognise your experience. So I guess YMMV, but you need to take some anger management classes or change career.
Time for bed, said Zebedee - boing
So there!
Which really, the headline should not be identifying Linux as an OS.
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U MAD BRO?
The internet is powered by electricity you insensitive clod
1991: Linux torvalds pulls a fresh cup of coffee off the pot and announces hes got an idea. Little does he know this idea will mean 24 years of shepherding a child through a forest of shady characters from Hans Reiser to Leonart Pottering.
1992: not even a year old and Linux is caught messing around with windows despite very specific instructions to practice her POSIX. she gets good at CIFS, confusing most of the parents around her and once she starts pretending to be a domain controller at the Active Directory dance its gloves off for the Microsoft PTA.
1998: Linux finishes her ALSA class and in 2 years starts singing the chart-toppers in mp3 format, much to the dismay of the RIAA.
2010: in a rebellious phase, Linux stops doing one thing and doing it well and starts hanging out with SystemD, who convinces her she can do anything all the time so long as hes in charge.
2011: Weird emo/goth/Gnome3 phase means Linux wears a lot more bling than she used to...Parents of Unix long since departed now sigh and stare at the shelf where the pictures of little Linux dressed in Bash rest alongside her achievement for learning computational fluid thermodynamics and wonder where they went so wrong.
2015: at 24 Linux flies planes handles social media, and directs traffic. She knows windows inside and out, and can hang out with everyone from stuffy government types to the art crowd. She composes music, builds cars, and even folds proteins when shes bored. Old man Torvalds still shows up from time to time to remind parents not to be lazy, friends not to be greedy, and people not to expect him to be around for every little thing Linux may or may not choose to do.
Happy 24th, Linux.
Good people go to bed earlier.
As soon as the system gets under 100% CPU or memory
I think I found your problem.
Curious as to why you would run Xubuntu at home if you hate Linux so much.
Title is accurate: The original announcement refers to an operating system, so this is the birth of the linux operating system.
will go in the Groupon bid for birthday cakes.
...and dead at 25, killed by systemd.
Correction: Happy Birthday GNU/Linux. After all, GNU software makes up 75% of the codebase of any "Linux" distribution. Show some respect.
Actually last year they shipped more than one billion NotGNU/Linux devices, BusyBox means there's many non-GNU embedded devices and if GNU vanished most the gaps left would quickly be covered by LLVM to replace GCC and the BSD userland. And it's not nearly 75% GNU projects, perhaps 75% (L)GPL licensed code but that's not why RMS wanted to call it that.
Live today, because you never know what tomorrow brings
"basic data safety is not guaranteed"
Huh? You want a ricochet biscuit to go with that?
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
Depends how you define an OS. Many - usually embedded- linux installations have the busybox toolset which has nothing to do with GNU apart from its license.
I think I'd seen a photo booth at the mall once that had "kernel panic" on the screen. So, I assume it is/was Linux.
heh .. Such problems with Linux.. Funny how theres a bunch of us out there that have been using it since FOREVER (Slackware/1995 here..) and have ZERO problems with it... If this AC is *actually* having these kinda problems, either he's got seriously crap hardware or more likely he's just trolling... And with what a spyware-fest Windows 10 is, I suspect a LOT more people are gonna say "FUCK MS" and come over to the Linux side...
THANK YOU, Edward Snowden!! Americans owe you a debt of gratitude (whether they know it or not..)
Few complex systems behave well under 100% CPU load.
Despite all their well-designed robustness measures and famed reliability, the IBM z/OS systems I work with daily can still sometimes effectively lock up at that point, once all the non-critical services have been squeezed out. You can get (for example) circular deadlocks between multiple CICS address spaces which, although they don't actually require an IPL (IBM mainframe equivalent of a reboot), might as well do by the time you've reloaded 30 CICS regions and possibly assorted databases.
As for your experience with Xubuntu running slower with updates, I'll counter with running the same release of Ubuntu for 5 years, regularly applying all updates, with absolutely no detectable slow down.
Overall though it sounds like you're either incompetent, ridiculously unlucky or a liar. Possibly all three.
Sure is interesting that all of the people posting about how bad Linux is are posting AC... Wonder why? Wonder if they're just trolls.. nah, couldn't be...
THANK YOU, Edward Snowden!! Americans owe you a debt of gratitude (whether they know it or not..)
gnu stuff ... under CP/M
Seeing as how I don't remember using any GNU software on my KayPro IV, or hearing of Unix-centric s/w able to be installed on 8-bit system, no matter the brand or whether CCP was replaced by ZCPR, that comment needs a lot of clarifying.
"I don't know, therefore Aliens" Wafflebox1
Correction, "actually, parts of the internet is powered by Linux".
Every disinterested party - including Slashdot and Wikipedia - identifies Linux as an OS.
Only the FSF demand we call it "GNU/Linux". The term has no meaning outside of Stallman's propaganda machine and its attempts to control the narrative.
A typical Linux installation also contains software from other sources than GNU and the Linux project. Logically, then, we should call it a much longer name than just GNU/Linux, if we wish to follow Stallman's nonsense to its inevitable conclusion.
I've been using Linux since about 1995, and am seriously impressed with how far its come since thern.. I started with Slackware and its bazillions of floppy disks and pulling my hair out getting XFree86 working, nowadays its easier to install something like Mint or Ubuntu than Windows, and in most cases the machine will be 100% operational after the install, nowhere NEAR always the case with Windows... I strongly suspect, with what a spyware-fest Windows 10 has turned out to be, Linux is gonna get a BIG boost in users in the not-too-distant future, once joe-six-pack figures out all of *his* data is now Microsofts... I for one will do everything I can to hurry it along..
HAPPY BIRTHDAY, LINUX!!!!!
THANK YOU, Edward Snowden!! Americans owe you a debt of gratitude (whether they know it or not..)
We decided to repurpose one of our shiny new 486DX2 (at 66Mhz!!) to a web server. The hard drive was not large enough to hold windows and the downloaded floppies for slackware. I stayed up all night, finding an open NFS export (at UIUC I think), and downloading each slackware floppy direct to disk one at a time using one of the NeXTs.
That doesn't even count the time trying to get X running right (which wasn't even needed for a web server!) Heady days I tell you!
Silence is a state of mime.
If you got a Z80 processor lying around, you can get a CP/M clone under the GNU license.
http://www.seasip.info/Cpm/Zinc/index.html
You are apparently at the age where you can't tell the difference between kernel and OS...
Not original with me, I started using it in '94 and a co-worker suggested it.
you can get a CP/M clone under the GNU license.
That's not even close to the same as using GNU stuff under CP/M.
"I don't know, therefore Aliens" Wafflebox1
Because of Linux, Solaris is no longer #1 OS. Meanwhile, Linux still has filesystems out of 20. century
memory overcommit is not turned off by default, basic data safety is not guaranteed, and now with systemd it behaves like Windows more than ever before. What a piece of crap OS.
If one of the BSD's were this popular, I would be fine with that, but in IT, it seems like biggest piece of crap always becomes the latest fad. Good job guys, the whole lot of you. Good job. Pat yourselves on the backs, idiots.
Yes it does, useful if you want to read old disks, but it also has many 21st century ones.
memory overcommit is not turned off by default, basic data safety is not guaranteed,
That's a two edge sword. In practice when running out of virtual memory Windows (without overcommit) comes to a halt, so it takes maybe 10 minutes to just bring up a menu. Linux (with overcommit) starts killing things. You are more likely to do a clean shutdown of the linux bits that havent been killed than of a windows box when this happens.,
and now with systemd it behaves like Windows more than ever before. ,
I haven't used it in anger enough to know. On a desktop it seems fine. I have a feeling that once I start serious server work it won't be nearly as flexible as init,
What a piece of crap OS.
If one of the BSD's were this popular, I would be fine with that, but in IT, it seems like biggest piece of crap always becomes the latest fad. Good job guys, the whole lot of you. Good job. Pat yourselves on the backs, idiots.
I MAD.
grep, sed, make, more, I forget what all, especially since some were GNU and some were simply Unix ports to CP/M.
Just that when I first encountered Linux, the GPL wasn't exactly news to me.
386BSD, the BSD for PC's from which almost all, if not all modern PC variants of BSD are descended from, first appeared in spring of 1992, after Linux had already been around for some number of months, albeit still in a very alpha state. Even though 386BSD was vastly technically superior to Linux when it first came out, at the time, Linux had simply far too many minor features that made it more amenable to the prevalent existing PC's at the time. Linux had floating point emulation, where BSD required a coprocessor (which at the time was still considered relatively luxurious), and Linux could co-exist with DOS on a hard disk with multiple partitions, while BSD initially had no such capability. By the time BSD had added these features, Linux had largely caught up with it in terms of being far less alpha-state.
Linux isn't popular because it is faddish, Linux is popular because back in the beginning, it did what people actually needed it to do, while the alternatives did not... and by the time others could also do so, Linux simply had too much of a head start. Linux maintained the lead ever since.
But does having a head start make something a fad?
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
I remember getting a copy of it in the very early 90s for my Atari ST!
Build a Man a Fire, and He'll Be Warm for a Day. Set a Man on Fire, and He'll Be Warm for the Rest of His Life.
nt
Interesting. Thank.
You think that modern GNU utils could fit in 64KB? :)
"I don't know, therefore Aliens" Wafflebox1
Linux is as flawed as Windows but in different ways. It used to be far better but since Ubuntu came along it's been pathetically bad.
You mean the quality of Linux degraded since Ubuntu came along?
And then you go on and say that nobody can refute that fact with 'RTFM NOOB'?
You are probably right, no man page mentions the reasons why your argument is hilarious.
But I suspect that you know the difference between Linux and Ubuntu.
You better believe I have an ax to grind.
I work with Linux every day, professionally. As soon as the system gets under 100% CPU or memory pressure it crashes. In Solaris (or any Illumos derivative), for that I have mdb, and I can debug a crashed kernel (and make it run again) with kdb. In Linux, that is science fiction.
At home I have Xubuntu. The piece of crap is so slow and bloated, it's become just like Windows. It started out relatively usable, and the more updates were applied, the slower it got. Many of the updates regularly had failure issues during boot. If I were not forced to (company policy) by idiots, I would never run Linux in production. What. A. Piece. Of. Crap.!
Virtualization technology in Linux? Crap.
GNU userland? Does not correspond to any industry norm or standard - crap (recursive grep(1), or TApe ARchiver, tar(1) which supports compression, anyone?) - crap.
Backward compatibility in Linux? Crap.
Post mortem debugging? Crap.
System startup, with million different solutions? Crap.
Crap, crap, crap! But hey, it's all the rage!!! Yes, you better believe I have an Ax to grind. And not just one ax!
That's epic. Curious, which distributions are you trying to deploy in your (claimed) professional usage?
The only time I have experienced random crashes, and lockups are with bleeding edge distros (Mainly *buntu/Mint, for some reason Mint always dead-locks for me regardless of the machine it's put on)
Meanwhile, If you are indeed using Linux professionally, then you need a professional/enterprise distro. Such as SUSE Enterprise Server or Redhat Enterprise server.
I've deployed these in VERY demanding environments before and they have almost always stood the test of time. Heck in one instance the CPU cooked before the OS gave up (Cooling system failed).
Now, if you're using xuBuntu, this is okay for general home use. But I wouldn't consider it for judging the stability of GNU/Linux at all.
CentOS/RHEL with XFCE would give you a good idea on stability however. Ever thought maybe you're using the wrong distro for the task at hand?
I tend to use which distro suites the task I need, for my workstation it's CentOS7 with XFCE, for servers it's usually RHEL6/7, for my personal laptop it's Arch Linux..
So tell me, what are you running that could possibly be so broken? Have you considered it could also be poor configuration?
% ls -lh /bin/cat /bin/cat
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 49K Aug 7 15:10
For some reason I don't think so...
(Slackware/1995 here..) and have ZERO problems with it.
Nostalgia has clouded your vision. I tried to run Linux on my primary system from around 1999 to 2002. (It as too flaky, prior to that, to be more than a curiosity) I spend far more time trying to get various things to work than actually using it. (Remember when getting sound to work was a major accomplishment?) It was a huge pain back then. It's a lot better today (my wife ran it with little trouble from 2008 to 2011) but it's still not quite ready for the desktop. (She abandoned it when she needed to use her computer for work.) The only reason to run it back in 1995 was because you enjoyed tinkering with it. It was completely unsuitable for daily use.
And with what a spyware-fest Windows 10 is, I suspect a LOT more people are gonna say "FUCK MS" and come over to the Linux side.
Given the popularity of Google Chrome, even among the privacy hawks on Slashdot, I'd bet against that.
Required reading for internet skeptics
If I could, I would go into retirement. As it is, I have several more decades of this crap to endure. One can only hope something else, and something better, will become the new fad. If SmartOS became that new fad, I'd be happy for the rest of my professional life.
Am I angry about GNU/Linux being so popular? Yes, absolutely.
Nobody is forcing you to stay in the computer industry, there are plenty of other occupations out there that you could conceivably pursue. If your reaction to things you don't like is to bitch and do nothing else then perhaps some self examination is required
I love over-reaching statements that are obviously wrong.
So, everything that comprises the whole internet is running a Linux kernel?
I doubt it.
SmartOS is very domain specific, it's never gonna be the new android or "crappy home router" OS.
"I strongly suspect, with what a spyware-fest Windows 10 has turned out to be, Linux is gonna get a BIG boost in users in the not-too-distant future, once joe-six-pack figures out all of *his* data is now Microsofts... "
The eternal wishful thinking of "The year of Linux on the desktop".
Most people already keep their personal communications in Hotmail or Gmail already, so I don't see too much of a fuss going on. Concerned people will just stick with Windows 7. If anything, Joe Sixpack will pick up a tablet* for his casual consumption once his laptop or desktop becomes too sluggish or dies. Things are going in a simpler direction, rather than more fiddly.
So, unless you want to qualify Android as Linux...
(*I'm not talking about business computing/gaming/enthusiasts, so calm down.)
Does it make you happy you're so strange?
This depends on point of view.
Older UNIX hands came to use Linux, and already had backgrounds in other UNIX variants, likely Solaris. Before 386BSD and Linux, there were no "free" versions. The cheapest and usable was Mt. Xinu or BSD/386 from BSDi. There were tons of commercial versions. Even Dell and Apple had their own UNIX variants.
Coming from Solaris, IRIX, AIX, and other UNIX flavors, one can see Linux's flaws.
However, IT has shifted so that pretty much, Linux is the core, and even though a GNU userland might be wonky to old timers used to SVR4, it is the de facto standard now.
My biggest problem with Linux is that there isn't a reliable way to image a system off for a bare metal restore while it is running. Solaris can be done easily with dump or ZFS tools. AIX has sysback and mksysb. Windows has wbadmin. OS X has third party utilities if Time Machine doesn't cut it. The only reliable way I have with Linux to make a backup that can be used for bare metal restores is either to boot offline media like CloneZilla, or run Linux in a VM, snapshot it, and back up the VM snapshots.
There are ways around this though. Rsync, tar, and having OS/application ISOs ready to go is one help, although it requires multiple stages to do the restore (install base OS, partition, untar filesystems, etc.) Another is to run your stuff on an easily rebuildable compute node, and use snapshots and a deduplicated filesystem for backups.
ZERO problems with it...
Bullshit. You have problems with it, but like most zealots you simply refuse to acknowledge them, even to yourself. Linux is adequate as a kernel, assuming the drivers are working somewhat correctly. But each desktop environment you choose is a half-baked, cluster-fucked mess that screams, "I'M LEARNING HOW TO MAKE SOMETHING!" Linux is for people who LOVE to tinker constantly with their OS. For those of us who just want to run programs and get things done, Windows and OSX are superior choices.
I suspect a LOT more people are gonna say "FUCK MS" and come over to the Linux side.
Wrong. It would take one company the size of Google to hammer down and create a single, unified distro that has been polished to a tee and has all the thousands of little niggles ironed out and introduce some substantial changes to the kernel (finally, a stable driver ABI!). That's a massive undertaking for something that probably wouldn't be that successful. Why? Because the world doesn't love Linux like you do. And having a fat, bearded man-child who eats his own toe jam and doesn't even surf the web telling us what type of software we should be using is not helping either.
Some of us have been using Slashdot since the days of 28.8 dial-up, yet have never registered a username. Things like that might be important to you, but not to everyone. Grow up and recognize that because you felt the need to make a name for yourself makes you no more credible than the next person.
memory overcommit is up to you. Turn it off if you want.
data safety is also up to you. Chose the filesystem you want to use.
The problem with the BSDs are that they don't solve the problem very well, and are not portable to as many architectures as Linux.
But if you really want a BSD environment, you can have it. It is up to you. You can even recompile the BSD userspace and use that on Linux if you want.
Sounds like you have a personal problem, and that is not a Linux problem.
We will see.
So... assuming you're not just trolling... If you hate Linux so much, why do you use XUbuntu at home?
Skype. If I had Skype for Solaris, I'd completely ditch it.
I am not trying to apply any GNU/Linux distributions; the company where I consult, when I came here, there were already high and hopped up on all sorts of redhat enterprise Linux versions. Their deployments use ext3. Memory overcommit is not turned off. The systems crash running risk engines, for instance (any 100% CPU load or running out of memory will crash the systems).
And, they are actively and with a vengeance replacing Solaris systems with this piece of crap of theirs. That makes me particularly angry, because that company was about ten years ahead of the entire industry when they were on Solaris (they had their own build). Meanwhile, the English came and the business idiots either retired the experts, or let entire departments of system engineers go.
*I* would have *never* replaced a good, working operating system with this Linux piece of crap. I would have probably deployed SmartOS and instead of the ~70 tenants they manage to pack onto a piece of hardware now, packed 400 - 450 Like Joyent does, with no memory overcommit, ZFS to keep my data safe, and bare metal performance virtualization with zones. For everything else, there are either the lx-brand, or the kvm-brand zone.
Faced with the piece of crap Linux put in by idiots, and knowing what is possible in terms of reliability and performance, hell yeah, I am pissed off. I have always been extremely allergic to idiocy and incompetence.
The OS is of very unspecific date, both older and younger. But media likes everything simple.
LVM called, it wants you to read the docs
The song just wouldn't work with "It was 24 years ago today" so I'll just keep posting this every year. http://iki.fi/teknohog/music/c...
Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
You're a liar if you say you've never had any problems with Linux. If you look at how many bugs that get fix on the kernel side alone, not to mention all the problems on the distribution side(dependencies, failed upgrades). Lair. And you assume Linux does not have spyware? Think Ubuntu.
Skype. If it were available for Solaris, I'd ditch Linux.
When I use Solaris 10 or SmartOS, data safety comes as integral part of the operating system, in SMF, in FMA, in ZFS. And there is no memory overcommit, if memory is exhausted by a rogue application, the system returns ENOMEM ("not enough core"), but keeps on running. The system also has a forward compatible application binary interface ("ABI"), conforms to UNIX95, SUS V3, UNIX.03, XPG4, XPG6, POSIX, and AT&T SVR 4.0 standards. zones provide for highest performing known virtualization technology in the industry, running at the speed of bare metal, using only as much memory as the individual processes consume, and I do not have a PID 1 reaping problem like Docker did, for which they had to re-implement their crappy version of "lightweight init". I also get cyclics within 10ms, a realtime subsystem, and a choice of two schedulers, which I can pick and choose per process. I get first class observability and post mortem debugging with DTrace, iostat, vmstat (Linux has crappy copies of iostat and vmstat), mdb, and kdb. I need to perform exactly zero system engineering to get all of that.
With Linux, to automate just ZFS on /, I would need to invest tremendous amounts of system engineering. SMF? systemd is an idiotic attempt to implement what SMF has been doing for more than 10 years now, except I do not need special tools to read out the logs, and it does not replace login(1M), cron(1M), syslog(1M), or anything else (init.d is still there and working, just deprecated).
24 years later, and Linux doesn't even have data reliability, still using filesystems which are either not production ready after years of masturbation on them (btrfs), or do not checksum data (XFS, ext2/3/4). How would you like for the out of memory killer to kill one of your database processes, when a rogue Java application leaks enough memory? As I wrote in my initial post, Linux is crap - but that it is so popular - I have all of Linux idiots to thank for that.
I suspect a LOT more people are gonna say "FUCK MS" and come over to the Linux side...
That would require effort on the part of the end user.
If one of the BSD's were this popular, I would be fine with that...
I've done product development on the BSDs. Believe me, the grass is equally brown on both sides of that fence.
My argument is that I found Linux to be more of a joy to use in 2000 than I do now with such "user-friendly" distros as Ubuntu. Any mention of Linux not being perfect on here leads to being monstered by pathetic fanbois such as yourself. Linux had the potential to bury Windows at the turn of the millennium but the various factions spent more time fucking about in the name of "choice" than working together and now we have a horrible mess on the desktop. Server is great, Android is great, desktop is a joke.
So your grievance is with Ubuntu, not Linux, per se.... except perhaps to the extent that Ubuntu's influence has affected other distro's. Even then, your beef would be with the distros that had been so affected.
I understand that Slackware is still pretty pure
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
Circa 1985, 48K would have been a fairly large program even for a minicomputer system (e.g., Unix).
You better believe I have an ax to grind.
I work with Linux every day, professionally. As soon as the system gets under 100% CPU or memory pressure it crashes. In Solaris (or any Illumos derivative), for that I have mdb, and I can debug a crashed kernel (and make it run again) with kdb. In Linux, that is science fiction.
At home I have Xubuntu. The piece of crap is so slow and bloated, it's become just like Windows. It started out relatively usable, and the more updates were applied, the slower it got. Many of the updates regularly had failure issues during boot. If I were not forced to (company policy) by idiots, I would never run Linux in production. What. A. Piece. Of. Crap.!
Virtualization technology in Linux? Crap. GNU userland? Does not correspond to any industry norm or standard - crap (recursive grep(1), or TApe ARchiver, tar(1) which supports compression, anyone?) - crap. Backward compatibility in Linux? Crap. Post mortem debugging? Crap. System startup, with million different solutions? Crap.
Crap, crap, crap! But hey, it's all the rage!!! Yes, you better believe I have an Ax to grind. And not just one ax!
Real neckbeards RUN SLACKWARE! A real OS, Ubuntu based OSes are for blind trogs who cannot write a shell script for shit or even mess with .config files for that matter. What a sorry state of affairs for linux when the pions start to become sysadmins, almost as bad as the so called MS sys admins that can't use Power-shell for shit, but not quite! Take a stress pill and take comfort in your crappy gui tools. Eventually you will figure it out why you can't get your shit done efficiently, either that or someone will for you!
This message was not sent from an iPhone because Peter Sellers really was a deviated prevert without a dime for the call
so, instead of writing to your congressman, you have to bribe the dictator of your country?
... using it since FOREVER (Slackware/1995 here..)...
Noobie.
LVM2 != backups. In fact, it can't back up /boot. Plus, you have to have the free space for the deltas, and most default LVM2 installs have every byte of space allocated.
Please try again. So far, the best I've found is to pop a LVM snapshot, dump that off, and on restore, rebuild its LVM, untar /boot, and the other filesystems, drop GRUB, and hope I'm not staring at a flashing caps lock key. With any other OS, I can get a consistant system image.
Every time Microsoft releases an update to Windows I make a sincere effort to convert over to Linux. So far I just don't understand how people do it. The latest trial was Kubuntu 14.04. Almost every application I tried to use - Firefox, Amarok, LibreOffice - crashed at least once an hour. The next day I tried 15.04 and after the OS recommended updating my video driver the system wouldn't boot anymore, and KDE's version of safe mode didn't work. Ain't nobody got time to figure out the reason for a half dozen different crashes and driver issues. Back to Windows 7, which runs fine.
And with what a spyware-fest Windows 10 is, I suspect a LOT more people are gonna say "FUCK MS" and come over to the Linux side...
Oh you Year of the Linux Desktop people crack me up. Come on, even ME, Vista and 8 didnt drive people to Linux, in fact they sold (yes sold, despite Linux being free) more into the market and were more used than Linux ever has been on the desktop.
You think the privacy issues (which you turn pretty much all of them off in the Privacy settings anyway) are going to turn people off Windows 10? That must be why Diaspora is so much more popular than Facebook, why DuckDuckGo is so much more popular than Google, why people host their own email servers rather than using webmail like Gmail and Outlook, why everybody is using cash and bitcoin instead of credit/debit cards...oh right if you had experience in the real world you would know this isn't the case.
You are the very definition of the Linux nerd, the basement dweller who has demonstrably no knowledge of the real world. You are the reason the "Year of the Linux Desktop" is a running joke, it's still hilarious to see you scratching your head about why Linux isn't more popular on the desktop. You really have no idea.
Companies have begun to realize the value of collaboration and that working with the community is really advantageous. Sure they still have their proprietary bits and often that is where their competitive advantage lies but it means we get so much code collaboration and with open source and proprietary people working together. The exclusive - rather than inclusive - nature of Free software means it is now competing not just with proprietary software but with open source software as well (LLVM, busybox for example).
The special exemptions in Linux's COPYING file that allow it to work with proprietary software are what have made it so successful. And with proprietary people realizing the value of collaboration - and the Free Software people too interested in not working with anybody who doesnt share a compatible ideology - we are seeing a rise of more great active open source projects these days.
Real neckbeards RUN SLACKWARE! A real OS, Ubuntu based OSes are for blind trogs who cannot write a shell script for shit or even mess with .config files for that matter.
So tell me, how do you know a real scotsman? Your perception of what a "real OS" is is an operating so feature-poor and incompetent that it actually requires you to write shell scripts and edit config files. These should be for exceptional cases, not everyday ones.
I now live in a country with direct democracy and referendums. Good luck with the congress and the senate.
Indeed: http://serverfault.com/questions/279571/lvm-dangers-and-caveats
Perhaps your insults should be directed at yourself.
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No, they shouldn't. I've worked as a sysprog on approximately 25 different companies' mainframe systems over more than 30 years (I work for an outsourcer). How many *entirely different* mainframe systems have *you* worked on?
The issues that cause these circular deadlocks between multiple CICS services and databases have occurred on two of these mainframe systems, and are/were due to poor db/application design which I have/had no control over either technically or managerially. So my competence is not an issue. We have to run to the best of our ability whatever systems we are contracted to run. I suspect without proof that the same issues *could* happen on some of the other systems with similar design issue but they have never hit 100% CPU for long enough.
The point remains that even the most robust of operating systems can struggle when at 100% CPU for more than transitory periods.
Sounds like you should quit your job and get one working with Solaris.
I would, if there were any left! Why are they gone? Because all the idiots made Linux popular!
Some of us have been using Slashdot since the days of 28.8 dial-up, yet have never registered a username. Things like that might be important to you, but not to everyone. Grow up and recognize that because you felt the need to make a name for yourself makes you no more credible than the next person.
All these years and I'm still incredible. Incredible.
WALSTIB!
That's not true, I had a government job which involved working with Solaris not long ago.
Of course, IMHO dealing with the crushing government bureaucracy was far worse than dealing with any particular OS, but every job has its pros and cons. If you find Linux so terrible then maybe you'll cope with bureaucracy better than I did.
Perl is older, and more gooder.
I think this is one of those things to celebrate. one employer once told me Linux was to play at school. When if asked of to choose an operating system for our mail servers . I'm glad we have an endless support for it resources and love. without love nothing is worth. So happy Birthday !