RIAA will just claim, that the reason they're records are selling less and less is because of piracy. And that the reason the non-RIAA-labels sell more and more is because it's drivel that noone wants to pirate.
You're ass-invaded if you do, and you're ass-invaded if you don't.
He could; if he's almighty it wouldn't be a problem.
there is no way of guaranteeing that our measurements of historical time are accurate, 6000 years, a billion years (I can accept you telling me this thing happened before or after this other thing but I can't accept that you can tell me exactly how long ago it happened when we're talking about something that long ago.),
If the only evidence of the age of the universe we have is scientific readings or 6,000 year old stories, I'm sticking with science. At least science is willing to accept the fact that it is wrong from time to time, and I know how a feather can turn into a universe over time.
and this article could be related to the Biblically documented mutation from the tower of Babel (of course then you'd have to accept the existence and interference of God)
Sure, the mutation could be an interference from God, but not according to Christian Scientists, because genes doesn't matter. God created us in His image and nothing has changed since then.
I'm not the one who's unwilling to accept the possibility of an almighty god, who likes to intervene from time to time. They are the ones who are unwilling to accept an almighty god.
The problem with "Christian Scientists" is, that they can't even imagine a God, so powerfull, so almighty, the He/She/It could have started the "Big Bang" 15+ billion years ago, let it run for what seemed like an eternity, saw an interesting phenomena (humans), endowed them with intelligence and speech, told them how to live and behave, and then receeded again.
Nope. He can't do that. He is such a wuss, that he could only have created earth and the universe 6,000 years ago, and He's such a blabbering idiot, that almost all of His ramblings are incoherrent and contradicts itself.
With my birthday just around the corner and my 8 mile runs needing music, I am thinking of asking for a portable mp3 player.
Stop running!What kind of geek runs? If you run at 8 mph, you're loosing a full hour of computer-time for every run! Just think of all the things you could do with an extra hour a day. Like... sex...
My abstract haven't shown up yet, but it should some time later today. It should give you a much better idea what I mean, as the discussion the two of us are having here is revolved around two basic premises:
1) I don't care how I can make X "work", as I feel it's flawed. 2) You don't care about my points, as you feel you can work around the idiosyncracies I describe.
I hope you don't get too offended by this short summary, and that you might want to read up on my abstract, when it turns up on google.
That would be age discrimination and is illegal. Maybe you should try living in a country where the labor has more rights than the employers - it's actually quite nice.
We don't use any other markets in the same way that we did in the 30's and 40's, so why should we for music and entertainment.
That is entirely untrue! Brothels are run in exactly the same way now as they were in the 30's and 40's.
Come to think of it, that is a very suiting comparison, except that prostitutes aren't legally bound to work for their pimps, under duress of heavy financial reparations if they chose to leave.
So? You just issue another CPR-number; it's not that difficult.
This is done to every person who undergoes a sex-change, so why not to those people as well?
The funny thing about the CPR-system we have, is that it seems to me, that for every attack you people throw at it, it already has a built in defence. It only has two legit problems as of now: 1) Number of children that can be born per day in Denmark; and to use the example above, if you can assign numbers to 3,000 children each day, that leaves you with 1,095,000 and considdering the danish population of ~5 million people I'd say that is a non-problem. 2) Invasion of the country, and to be honest I don't see that as a problem, as we'd have a lot of other problems to worry about instead.
This is a system that has been around since 1968; it has had 34 years to mature and be protected as best possible while we have had no less than 6 different governments.
Is it perfect? Probably not. Is it the rocky horror show, that most people perceive such systems to be? Absolutely not.
Suppose your country's next-door neighbor turns Nazi and occupies you.
It's happened before, so why not again...
Suddenly they find this convenient set of databases which make it easy to figure out who in your country owns a gun, who seems to be a political activist who might cause trouble, etc... Guns are registered with the police, so it is probably easy to get to, but I don't know that procedure, as I don't own a gun.
Political activist... well, they'd have to get hold of the membership records of all political parties, so that's not a great concern.
But if we were to be occupied by another country, I think those records would be far down my list of priorities...
The main theme in the replies here seem to be "the wolf is comming, even if it's been extinct for millenia".
Believe it or not, the system we have in Denmark makes it more difficult for someone to pretend to be you. To get a drivers license here, you first have to go through rigorous lessons at an authorized driving instructor. Then you have to pass an exam, afterwhich you give them two passport pictures; one for your temporary drivers licens which is valid for driving only and only for 14 days. Then they mail you your license. To the address listed in the system. If you can get a drivers license or passport in my name, without me knowing about it, I have bigger problems than central registration, because then you have physical access to my home address.
Want to open a bank account in my name? Not a problem, but try avoiding me getting wind of it.
The easiest part in a discussion like this is to come up with ways to abuse the system, but how about taking the approach of protecting the system? If you can do it with software, why shouldn't it be possible to do it with data like this?
The URL you gave is ASP hosted on IIS. Additionally, I was unable to access the website using NetScape.
I wouldn't trust my shopping list on that software.
Gee wiz, I know that's how they do things stateside, but in Denmark the government agencies doesn't go around storing sensitive information on webservers, and if I'm not mistaken, any access to the CPR database has to run through dedicated lines.
"Only the last digit is a checksum, using the modulo 11 rule; the weights are 4 3 2 7 6 5 4 3 2 1."
I've always been curious as to how that rule is supposed to work, because I've only been told , that the last four digits are supposed to be divisible by 11 (xxxx%11 == 0), but that doesn't work on mine or my fathers, but it does on my cousins.
Maybe it's because we've been told since 1968 (when the system was instated) that we shouldn't tell anyone the last four digits of our CPR number, if they didn't need it.
Well, the system was put in place in 1968, which is 34 years ago for the mathematically impaired of you.
You also have to look at the Danish history and political system, before you can write off such a system in Denmark. In the US I would be very weary of it, because the political system basicaly forces you to be in the pockets of big business, but in Denmark, being wealthy and/or in the pockets of big business will usually get you about 10 votes.
Right now, our current government is dependant upon a party run by a former social care worker. When was the last time you could say that about the US government?
The danish political system is not any better or worse than the US system, it's just better suited for this kind of central registry, as it and the danish mentality will basicly lynch anyone who abuses it, and pat the lynch mob on the back afterwards.
Or have a system where the ruling parties aren't "the same" (we have 8 different parties in congress right now), where each party loves to bring up goofs and abuses by the other parties, and have the press do the same.
Right now we have the ability to track down the people cheating society out of huge amounts of money by the way of social forgery, but we don't do it because the various parts of government aren't allowed to share data between each other.
If I were to fall ill and get hospitalized in Copenhagen, the doctors there cannot use my CPR-number to find out anything about my medical history, because thay cannot access data outside their own registers without my concent. Okay, usually they can settle for an oral concent, so I guess they could if they really needed it, but dispite the posibilities of abuse of the danish system, I haven't heard of any such cases.
Until the EU forced new regulation onto Denmark, Danske Bank and Danske Kredit (two companies owned by the same company) couldn't share any information about me, even though they had their databases placed ~2" apart.
Actuall a couple of times each year, we hear another tale of a 106 year old who is asked to start kindergarden and bring their parents the first day.
Or the occasional old person who can't renew his/her passport, because he/she should be registered in their parents passport.
It always gets a laugh and a heartily conclusion, because dispite the what the computers might say, the human operators are in charge.
A change has been discussed for several years, since the early 90's I think, which among other things could contain certain biometrics, like fingerprints.
Now, before you go up in arms over storing fingerprints for everyone, there are some VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY strict laws on who can access what data in what government databases, so it's not like the police can just pull up your tax records or in the case of biometrics your fingerprints.
The way I would like to see the biometrics implemented is a verify-only system, where the store isn't told who I am, just if I am who I claim to be, perhaps by checking my CPR-card and my fingerprint or what have you.
It is a tricky line though, and I think a good sollution would be not to store the biometrics for children, unless their parents implicitly asks for it, and then to remove the data again, when the child is 18 (or whatever age), forcing them to decide for themselves if they want to store that data in a central registry.
The only problem is, that since the health insurance certificate doesn't have a picture ID, which is rather annoying for me, as I don't have nor do I want a credit card, nor do I have a drivers license yet or a passport.
But what the hell... I've survived since 130477 so far...
Our CPR (Central Person Registry) stores your CPR-number. Mine looks like this:
130477-1235 (no, this is not my real CPR-number)
This indicates that my birthdate is the 13th day of the 04th month of the 77th year.
1235 is the "checksum" and gender-marker; even numbers for women, uneven for men. I think they use X for women and Y for men without a permanet citizen ship (refugees and the like).
Also, the entire number has to pass some kind of test, but I can't remember how it's used.
The CPR also has the current address of each person along with an opt out feature for commercial mail targeted at you, which is nice, because all companies in Denmark have to comply by that setting, but they only have access to the address through CPR.
I am a proponent of personal privacy, and I don't have a problem with this system - probably because I can't think of a single intrusion into my privacy caused by it.
I think it comes down to "trust", and so far I haven't had a reason not to trust the CPR.
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The keyboard manager idea that you are talking about is the window manager.
No, it's not. Not unless the window manager is running before you start up X. I'm talking about making a keyboard manager of sorts, that will always run, when a keyboard is hooked up. And a clipboard manager that does the same thing.
Question: How do you copy stuff from tty1 to X? I can copy stuff from tty1 to another tty by marking the text, and then pressing mb2, but it doesn't seem to get put into a clipboard that X and the window manager can use.
Maybe universal keybindings across window managers are a quick perl script away
Can you get the script to catch key-events before anything else on the system does? Will it work without any window managers running? How much additional space will it require due to Perl?
I'm not entirely sure, if this discussion is stranded at the exact same spot as it started out at because I'm not sure how to explain what I mean, or because you don't want to even considder the idea that X might not be the best thing since sliced bread.
I thought the "UNIX Way" was about making something as good as possible. Maybe it's about making the best of something?
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I think the biggest failure of the GUI is that users expect instant gratification, and expect to be able to go in with no knowledge whatsoever -
My point wasn't "instant gratification" - that only happens when I have sex, and then only for me, not my partner;-)
What I meant by it (which wasn't very obvious) was exemplified later in the text, among other things with the copy/past problem. If you learn, that mark+middle-mouse copies/pastes, it's intuitive to expect it to work everywhere... when it doesn't, it breaks that feeling.
Also:
If people want to write their own server... without having to use a clipboard- or mouse-server you DON'T want.
It looks like what you are describing here is a window manager (plus clipboard), and many others have had the same idea - hence the large number of window managers.
Well, yes and no, because why have the WINDOW manager handle MOUSE and KEYBOARD?
Why can't you use the mouse and keyboard handlers without having to run a window manager? Why not use all the nifty features you've set up in your keyboard manager, including shortcuts and what amounts to macros in SH?
If you do it like that, you can still use them in X, in any window manager of your choice or even in an entirely different graphical environment than X. And you can easily be left out of the fucked up annoying political choices of the developers.
I am yet to see a good reason why X (or a window manager) should be responsible for the mouse and keyboard. Maybe it's because I'm stubborn and stupid, or maybe it's because I've learnt how to do things the Object Oriented way instead of the Unix way.
It does answer it to some extent; I just said "another house" to emphesize the distance you can run that thing at, but I guess humor is trolling around here:-)
Obviously it's a bit drastic to place it in another house, but how far away from the host computer can you place something like a USB2.0 or FireWire device? 10 meters? 20?
_I_ honestly don't care about floppy, I just mentioned disks because maybe someone else would want to know.
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And that helps how?
RIAA will just claim, that the reason they're records are selling less and less is because of piracy. And that the reason the non-RIAA-labels sell more and more is because it's drivel that noone wants to pirate.
You're ass-invaded if you do, and you're ass-invaded if you don't.
Welcome to the 21st century.
You owe me a keyboard! The old one died when I sprayed it with water from laughing.
Also, I want reperation from the tort of blowing water out my nose.
Ph34r the Tae-Kwon-Dodo!
Actually, the trick to landing is to let gravity pull you onto a surface.
As they say in the pilot-world: "Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing."
He chose me as his prophet and told me that all you cranks are sick and perverted and have no concept of what God really is and wants.
If the only evidence of the age of the universe we have is scientific readings or 6,000 year old stories, I'm sticking with science. At least science is willing to accept the fact that it is wrong from time to time, and I know how a feather can turn into a universe over time.
Sure, the mutation could be an interference from God, but not according to Christian Scientists, because genes doesn't matter. God created us in His image and nothing has changed since then.
I'm not the one who's unwilling to accept the possibility of an almighty god, who likes to intervene from time to time. They are the ones who are unwilling to accept an almighty god.
The problem with "Christian Scientists" is, that they can't even imagine a God, so powerfull, so almighty, the He/She/It could have started the "Big Bang" 15+ billion years ago, let it run for what seemed like an eternity, saw an interesting phenomena (humans), endowed them with intelligence and speech, told them how to live and behave, and then receeded again.
Nope. He can't do that. He is such a wuss, that he could only have created earth and the universe 6,000 years ago, and He's such a blabbering idiot, that almost all of His ramblings are incoherrent and contradicts itself.
Yup. He sure is almighty.
Stop running!What kind of geek runs? If you run at 8 mph, you're loosing a full hour of computer-time for every run! Just think of all the things you could do with an extra hour a day. Like
Since you can type 256 (2^8) different "keys" with one hand, would that be 2^16 keys with a two-handed setup?
Could you perhaps integrate a mouse or trackball into it?
I've posted an abstract of my ideas here:
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http://groups.google.com/groups?dq=&hl=en&lr=&ie=
My abstract haven't shown up yet, but it should some time later today. It should give you a much better idea what I mean, as the discussion the two of us are having here is revolved around two basic premises:
1) I don't care how I can make X "work", as I feel it's flawed.
2) You don't care about my points, as you feel you can work around the idiosyncracies I describe.
I hope you don't get too offended by this short summary, and that you might want to read up on my abstract, when it turns up on google.
Come to think of it, that is a very suiting comparison, except that prostitutes aren't legally bound to work for their pimps, under duress of heavy financial reparations if they chose to leave.
So? You just issue another CPR-number; it's not that difficult.
This is done to every person who undergoes a sex-change, so why not to those people as well?
The funny thing about the CPR-system we have, is that it seems to me, that for every attack you people throw at it, it already has a built in defence. It only has two legit problems as of now:
1) Number of children that can be born per day in Denmark; and to use the example above, if you can assign numbers to 3,000 children each day, that leaves you with 1,095,000 and considdering the danish population of ~5 million people I'd say that is a non-problem.
2) Invasion of the country, and to be honest I don't see that as a problem, as we'd have a lot of other problems to worry about instead.
This is a system that has been around since 1968; it has had 34 years to mature and be protected as best possible while we have had no less than 6 different governments.
Is it perfect? Probably not. Is it the rocky horror show, that most people perceive such systems to be? Absolutely not.
Suddenly they find this convenient set of databases which make it easy to figure out who in your country owns a gun, who seems to be a political activist who might cause trouble, etc... Guns are registered with the police, so it is probably easy to get to, but I don't know that procedure, as I don't own a gun.
Political activist
But if we were to be occupied by another country, I think those records would be far down my list of priorities
The main theme in the replies here seem to be "the wolf is comming, even if it's been extinct for millenia".
Believe it or not, the system we have in Denmark makes it more difficult for someone to pretend to be you. To get a drivers license here, you first have to go through rigorous lessons at an authorized driving instructor. Then you have to pass an exam, afterwhich you give them two passport pictures; one for your temporary drivers licens which is valid for driving only and only for 14 days. Then they mail you your license. To the address listed in the system. If you can get a drivers license or passport in my name, without me knowing about it, I have bigger problems than central registration, because then you have physical access to my home address.
Want to open a bank account in my name? Not a problem, but try avoiding me getting wind of it.
The easiest part in a discussion like this is to come up with ways to abuse the system, but how about taking the approach of protecting the system? If you can do it with software, why shouldn't it be possible to do it with data like this?
"Only the last digit is a checksum, using the modulo 11 rule; the weights are 4 3 2 7 6 5 4 3 2 1."
I've always been curious as to how that rule is supposed to work, because I've only been told , that the last four digits are supposed to be divisible by 11 (xxxx%11 == 0), but that doesn't work on mine or my fathers, but it does on my cousins.
Maybe I lied ...
Maybe it's because we've been told since 1968 (when the system was instated) that we shouldn't tell anyone the last four digits of our CPR number, if they didn't need it.
Well, the system was put in place in 1968, which is 34 years ago for the mathematically impaired of you.
You also have to look at the Danish history and political system, before you can write off such a system in Denmark. In the US I would be very weary of it, because the political system basicaly forces you to be in the pockets of big business, but in Denmark, being wealthy and/or in the pockets of big business will usually get you about 10 votes.
Right now, our current government is dependant upon a party run by a former social care worker. When was the last time you could say that about the US government?
The danish political system is not any better or worse than the US system, it's just better suited for this kind of central registry, as it and the danish mentality will basicly lynch anyone who abuses it, and pat the lynch mob on the back afterwards.
Or have a system where the ruling parties aren't "the same" (we have 8 different parties in congress right now), where each party loves to bring up goofs and abuses by the other parties, and have the press do the same.
Right now we have the ability to track down the people cheating society out of huge amounts of money by the way of social forgery, but we don't do it because the various parts of government aren't allowed to share data between each other.
If I were to fall ill and get hospitalized in Copenhagen, the doctors there cannot use my CPR-number to find out anything about my medical history, because thay cannot access data outside their own registers without my concent. Okay, usually they can settle for an oral concent, so I guess they could if they really needed it, but dispite the posibilities of abuse of the danish system, I haven't heard of any such cases.
Until the EU forced new regulation onto Denmark, Danske Bank and Danske Kredit (two companies owned by the same company) couldn't share any information about me, even though they had their databases placed ~2" apart.
Actuall a couple of times each year, we hear another tale of a 106 year old who is asked to start kindergarden and bring their parents the first day.
Or the occasional old person who can't renew his/her passport, because he/she should be registered in their parents passport.
It always gets a laugh and a heartily conclusion, because dispite the what the computers might say, the human operators are in charge.
A change has been discussed for several years, since the early 90's I think, which among other things could contain certain biometrics, like fingerprints.
Now, before you go up in arms over storing fingerprints for everyone, there are some VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY strict laws on who can access what data in what government databases, so it's not like the police can just pull up your tax records or in the case of biometrics your fingerprints.
The way I would like to see the biometrics implemented is a verify-only system, where the store isn't told who I am, just if I am who I claim to be, perhaps by checking my CPR-card and my fingerprint or what have you.
It is a tricky line though, and I think a good sollution would be not to store the biometrics for children, unless their parents implicitly asks for it, and then to remove the data again, when the child is 18 (or whatever age), forcing them to decide for themselves if they want to store that data in a central registry.
The only problem is, that since the health insurance certificate doesn't have a picture ID, which is rather annoying for me, as I don't have nor do I want a credit card, nor do I have a drivers license yet or a passport.
... I've survived since 130477 so far ...
But what the hell
Our CPR (Central Person Registry) stores your CPR-number. Mine looks like this:
130477-1235 (no, this is not my real CPR-number)
This indicates that my birthdate is the 13th day of the 04th month of the 77th year.
1235 is the "checksum" and gender-marker; even numbers for women, uneven for men. I think they use X for women and Y for men without a permanet citizen ship (refugees and the like).
Also, the entire number has to pass some kind of test, but I can't remember how it's used.
The CPR also has the current address of each person along with an opt out feature for commercial mail targeted at you, which is nice, because all companies in Denmark have to comply by that setting, but they only have access to the address through CPR.
You can read a lot more about the system here.
I am a proponent of personal privacy, and I don't have a problem with this system - probably because I can't think of a single intrusion into my privacy caused by it.
I think it comes down to "trust", and so far I haven't had a reason not to trust the CPR.
Question: How do you copy stuff from tty1 to X? I can copy stuff from tty1 to another tty by marking the text, and then pressing mb2, but it doesn't seem to get put into a clipboard that X and the window manager can use. Can you get the script to catch key-events before anything else on the system does? Will it work without any window managers running? How much additional space will it require due to Perl?
I'm not entirely sure, if this discussion is stranded at the exact same spot as it started out at because I'm not sure how to explain what I mean, or because you don't want to even considder the idea that X might not be the best thing since sliced bread.
I thought the "UNIX Way" was about making something as good as possible. Maybe it's about making the best of something?
What I meant by it (which wasn't very obvious) was exemplified later in the text, among other things with the copy/past problem. If you learn, that mark+middle-mouse copies/pastes, it's intuitive to expect it to work everywhere
Also: It looks like what you are describing here is a window manager (plus clipboard), and many others have had the same idea - hence the large number of window managers.
Well, yes and no, because why have the WINDOW manager handle MOUSE and KEYBOARD?
Why can't you use the mouse and keyboard handlers without having to run a window manager? Why not use all the nifty features you've set up in your keyboard manager, including shortcuts and what amounts to macros in SH?
If you do it like that, you can still use them in X, in any window manager of your choice or even in an entirely different graphical environment than X. And you can easily be left out of the fucked up annoying political choices of the developers.
I am yet to see a good reason why X (or a window manager) should be responsible for the mouse and keyboard. Maybe it's because I'm stubborn and stupid, or maybe it's because I've learnt how to do things the Object Oriented way instead of the Unix way.
It does answer it to some extent; I just said "another house" to emphesize the distance you can run that thing at, but I guess humor is trolling around here :-)
Obviously it's a bit drastic to place it in another house, but how far away from the host computer can you place something like a USB2.0 or FireWire device? 10 meters? 20?
_I_ honestly don't care about floppy, I just mentioned disks because maybe someone else would want to know.