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RIAA Sues Backbone ISPs to Censor Website
prostoalex writes "Music labels filed a lawsuit against major Internet service providers for not blocking access to Listen4Ever.com, music site located in China. The defendants in the suit include AT&T Broadband, Cable & Wireless USA, Sprint Corp., Advanced Network Services and UUNET Technologies." Wow.
If this suit passes in the favor of the RIAA, then you can kiss your fair use rights good-bye.
I think I will end this before I start stringing together several run-on sentences comprised solely of Carlin's Seven Words you Don't Say...
Music industry indeed. Why not call it like it is and start calling them the Music Mafia? Oops. That's insulting the mafia...I shouldn't do that.
what legal requirement do all those ISPs have to block those sites to begin with? If there's none, RIAA has no case whatsoever.
The One Rule Of Chess You'll Ever Need: Don't play someone who carries a kit in their bookbag.
RIAA doesn't need them sensored, slashdot will probably take care of the site themselves with a good slashdot effect!
All it takes is a good slashdotting. Way to support the RIAA!
Not really.
LoL...first of all china wants to censor things coming in from other countries...
The chinese government does, that is...
American companies want to censor the content coming in.
Who really runs our country?
*Quickly bookmarks and downloads everything not on newsgroups.* Seriously though, this is the direction that things are going, and the RIAA is just trying in a futile attempt to stop it. There isn't ever going to be a way to police anything on the internet: it's to large and too spread out. Eventually the RIAA is going to have to realize that album sales aren't going to be bringing in the big bucks anymore, and instead there are going to have to focus on promoting concerts, t-shirts, and other things that can't be ripped from the web.
Nope, it's August 16th.
Wherever will I download "Songs of Ocarina" and soundtrack to "Legends of the Fall" if they shut off access to this great site!!!!!
..they could start paying off government officials in China, it's worked well enough in the US.
- Peter
Since when did .com become a US only domain?
I really hope someday that there is a popular uprising against all of this RIAA/MPAA nonsense.
We need freedom!
Thanks for the link slashdot this is better then Kazaa!
Nyquil = Nectar of the devil
This is wonderful! With this precidence set, I'll be able to sue the state for the highway I was on if I have an accident, and the power company for supplying the electricity that started a house fire.
Now would *needs* to happen is that someone needs to pass a law that bans the RIAA from doing *anything* on the internet. Hell, even saying or writing the *word* internet should hold hefty fines for them!
Wyatt
Karma: Marginal (mostly due to the border around the website)
Hey, at least now some of the defendants have equally deep pockets. We're talking AT&T here, not some little indie ISP. Seems to me that the RIAA might have been better off not pissing off some of these companies who can field as good or better a legal team and who can throw as much money at Congress.
I've lost count of the number of sites and services that have been shut down. Music "piracy" continues unfettered, gaining popularity as broadband spreads...
The thing is that the DMCA provides safe harbor provisions for an ISP if they remove an offending website. The offender can then get the content returned if they affirm that they are not violating copyright.
Of course the safe harbor provisions were intended for the ISP at the end of the line. So I'm not sure what legal precedent would be in play here. Given that these carriers are common carriers, with no control over the content they carry, I should think the RIAA would lose the case. If they didn't, then it would become the responsibility of carriers to monitor traffic on their networks for illegal activity, etc. It would be akin to holding AT&T responsible for embezzling because two mafiosos talked to eachother over a long distance phone call.
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Perhaps one of the potential outcomes of globalization is that we all sink to the lowest common denominator. America blocking access to foreign sites? That's so... Chinaesque!
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The more they tighten their grasp the more systems will slip through their fingers
Can we just get the RIAA, MPAA, most major computer software and hardware vendors, the major ISPs, portals and most patent holding corporations together and have one big fuckin' sue party? I mean christ, Adobe sues Macromedia, Macromedia sues Adobe, RIAA sues ISPs, one member of RIAA sues another member, someone gets ready to sue everyone who ever made a bot, the hyperlinks are claimed to have been patented and we're fucking liable, some of the genes in my body have been patented by some asshole. Fuck it all. Christ, the whole goddamned American-inspired capitalist corporate world fucking sucks and it's swallowing us all. Somebody please help me find a better country. How are Iceland and New Zealand?
Can I sue the auto industry over criminals smuggling illegal contraband in them?
Well, anyone who wasn't familiar with that web site before will be now.
I think the record labels will find that this backfired rather badly, at least for the short term.
If you're a zombie and you know it, bite your friend!
"We can't make money on cars," said a representative of the Harness Makers Association of America (HMAA), "so they should be illegal. Think of all the poor horsies that would be turned into Elmer's if these criminal 'auto enthusists' got there way."
Politicians hailed the passing of the DMTA as a "strong step towards halting all progress and keeping the world exactly as it is. After all, change is scary!"
Every year during my review, I just pray the words "slashdot.org" aren't mentioned.
It seems there are at least four or five stories about the RIAA every week on Slashdot. Most deal with circumventing their legal lobbying, technical approaches for dealing with proposed DRM techniques, and whatnot.
Meanwhile, it seems the RIAA sinks to a new depth every week. With this latest story, I think it's time the tech community started asking a different question. What can the tech community do to damage the RIAA or render them irrelevant? And what are the best legal methods for kicking the RIAA where it hurts?
I'm generally "Interesting," "Insightful," and even "Funny" here. What the hell happens to me at parties?
Am I the only person who hadn't heard of this site till now? At any rate, I appreciate the big labels bringing it to my attention!
Lets all go to China and sue the MPAA for providing access to hip-hop, rap, and other assorted flavors of sonic diarrhea we've been forced to listen to for the past 10 years.
Having to listen to that crap every friggin day constitutes torture, which is a flagrant breach of the Geneva Convention.
The article says that the plantiff's claim that Listen4Ever.com is registered under a "U.S. domain name". What the heck is that all about? So websites in any other country must use their nation's domain, but only "U.S." websites can use a .com ? The RIAA truly astounds me with what they'll say/pull.....
What is RIAA worried about ? The Listen4Ever.com site is so bad you can barely figure out how to listen to anything. Gimma WinMX any day.
Just viewing the site launched endless popup ad windows some of which resized themselves to fill the whole screen, popped more windows when you closed the old ones, etc.
Interestingly, the actual mp3's come from an entirely different set of domains, that don't appear related to the gateway site and probably aren't hosted in China. The site being sued over is more like a portal (link farm) than an actual mp3 host. It has tons of "legitimate" advertising including audio devices, Visa cards, etc. But I couldn't stand looking at it long, because of all the damn popups.
Anyway, this isn't some warez kiddie's server, it's a highly commercial site, and it astounds me if RIAA is really having trouble finding its owners (asking its advertisers where they send their checks is an obvious approach).
Good job, you guys just blocked access for the world by /.ing the site. Thanks guys, support the enemy why don't you.
1) Screw customers
2) Screw now former-customers
3) Censor the internet
4) ???
5) Profit!
Or from Blink 182 (i hate them, btw): "Shit, puss, fuck, cunt, cock-sucker, mother-fucker, tits, fart, turd, and twat."
What?
"Every time I build, you American show up and take down my wall! Stop it! You take down my wall for the last time! Stupid Americans!"
This must be the call for all music artists to wake up and abandon
the music industry vultures.
If the RIAA has its way, and the court rules in its favour, it could result in all
Internet access from the US to China being cut off.
Is this how you want US law making to influence democracy
in China? Is this how you want your record label to spend
the vast majority of your income?
Those RIAA nimwits may be meeting their match here. Not only do they have deep pockets, but think of it this way - when the folks in Washington see this battle, they may rethink what's more important: keeping the Information Superhighway (tm) alive and propelling the New Economy, or keeping the music industry alive in its current bloodsucking incarnation.
T-Rex, meet Godzilla. :-)
Read the EFF's Fair Use FAQ
The copyright infringement suit, filed in Manhattan federal court, seeks a court order requiring the defendants to block Internet communications that travel through their systems to and from the Listen4ever site.
I am a RoadRunner user and have no problem accessing the site. If AOLTW is going to sue somebody to block communications, why haven't they taken this "simple" measure within their own systems?
RIAA. Blah. I am thinking of moving to russia.
absolutely, positively, beyond ANY DOUBT WHATSOEVER the MOST ludicrous thing I've heard. I wouldn't have believed it except it's on Yahoo news... this is madness! Suing ISPs for not censoring websites! Whatever they arbitrarily decide goes against their agenda they can sue to take away? They're more powerful than the government! ...........I just don't understand, and if this lawsuit goes through, I WILL move out of this country. Just because they're outside their jurisdiction doesn't mean that you attack the people who provide the Internet.
That's a bit like a store owner cigarettets to a 30 year old, who in turn sells it to a little kid and runs to mexico, and then having the store owner sent to jail! I mean... that... Ugh... It's repulsive...
Danish != nationality
Well, thats what you get for voting in bush, who's entire campaign is built on large amounts of 'contributions' (should read 'bribes') from many corporations. Everyone who voted him in should be blamed for this lose of freedom at the hands of large corporate entities. I have noticed that ever since bush was president, and especially after 9/11, corporations have been attacking free speach left and right.
Oh wait, I'm sorry, Bush is a *hero*, who's actions are helping us all. Lets just wave our flags while corporations wipe their collective asses on us.
The RIAA is out of control, we must do something about this before we end up losing all our freedom of speach. I think it might take drastic measures to fight this corporate monster.
GoatPigSheep, the 3 most important food groups
The RIAA is nothing more than a bunch of corporate whore fucks who like to wallow in their own shit, making you pay a higher price than originally realized.
Plaintiffs in the suit include such major labels as UMG Recordings, a unit of Vivendi Universal, Sony Music Entertainment, a unit of Sony Corp ( news - web sites) .; The RCA Records Label, a unit of Bertelsmann AG ( news - web sites)'s BMG; and Warner Brothers Records, a unit of AOL Time Warner .
It seems that it is easy to avoid getting caught is the lawsuit (as AOL has). AT&T should keep an eye on Vivendi Universal's stock (which has started slipping)
The news media says "The suit states... the site... appears to target an American audience" If that's so, why does the top of the site itself say "Add listen4ever.com to your Favourites"?
I can always find the coolest technology by just watching who they sue!
If RIAA wins this suit, it could set a nasty precedent for someone to sue Havenco's backbone providers because of content some corp or govt deems objectionable.
I love the irony of a U.S. organization (RIAA) suing U.S. corporations (ISPs) for NOT doing something they're NOT required by law to do, thereby destroying the ISPs potential revenue (!), just because they're NOT blocking a site in a Communist, totalitarian country! (with whom the U.S. is spending a great deal of time, money and effort in opening new trade and business relationships)
A man's reach must exceed his grasp, or what's an erection for?
My isp should be blocking my access to goatse. If I accidentally click on a goatse link one more time I need to find me a good lawyer. I mean as many times as it shows up in my history log, it has to be an accident. I would never dream of going on that site on purpose, no matter how strong the temptation may be. It offends me so much when I accidentally go to that site I often accidentally mail that link to people as well...so block the site damn isps!
Sounds insane but give censor happy freaks some more power and sites like goatse would no longer be available to us. That would be wrong damn it, no matter disturbing the site may be.
You may think that the RIAA is good at influencing the legal and political process, but I think they've just picked a fight they can't hope to win. The big backbone providers got to where they are through skillful manipulation of the system. If any set of entities is capable of playing the litigation game, it has got to be the phone and cable companies.
First off, every other case the RIAA has attempted has been against shallow pockets. Not so here. While WorldCom is in trouble, they do have a large legal team sitting around doing nothing (can't work on the bankruptcy 'cause that's not their area). I don't think I need mention how deep the pockets of ATT, Sprint, et. al. are.
Also, in the past they've gone against entities without experience. At any one time any major phone company is involved in more litagation than you can imagine (minimum of 3 major legal actions per state--justifying their current rates, attacking the justification their competitors give for their rates, and fighting to keep their preferred status as incumbant carrier, besides various federal and local actions). They know how to take full advantage of the rules, which rules they have to follow, which they can bend, and which they can break. They'll make dragging any information out of them during discovery a total nightmare, while at the same time demanding the most minor scraps of records the RIAA has. They'll abuse the calander, run the clock, and overall be just not very nice.
The RIAA may act like an 800 lb. gorrilla, but they've just picked a fight with the 8000 lb. bunch. Not a good idea.
I wonder how much Listen4Ever's traffic will go up as a result of this lawsuit? And how many more millions of dollars of "lost revenues" will the RIAA be able to claim as a result?
Yeah that's right. Pick on the ones who can fight back. Take on the industry that has taken every opponent, even the government, and lived to tell about it.
Hehe. I can imagine the executives meeting.
"What do you guys control?"
"I control cell phones."
"I am the master of cable."
"I am the undisputed champion of the US Internet backbone."
"So... what do you control for world domination?"
"Ummm.... CD music. Not anything good though, just the really commercialized stuff."
*crowd contains guffaws and laughter starts leaking out*
Whoever set up this site displays most of the technical skills of their new arch-enemies (the RIAA.)
I can download these songs with DAP without messing around - this means, among other things, that it doesn't check refering URLs; I'd geuss there'll be fifty sites leeching their content by this time tomorrow.
The good and new comes from no quarter where it is looked for, and is always something different from what is expected.
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I've heard that Chile's government has a lot of Libritarian influence, I could be wrong, but if that is the case its probabally a safe bet that your internet access wont be messed with.(plus I wont have to hide my heroin habbit anymore.. jk)
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You need something like 'proxomitron'
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Who'd have thunk it? I website providing content over backbone routers. I guess UUNet is guitly of facilitating child pornography now, too.
Intellectual property is what you keep to yourself.
I can't help but wonder if some of this is self-inflicted. As various corporate entities capture the ISP market and begin to play fast and loose with content control, they have began to give up the "common carrier" stance that has been the ISP's protection in the past. Once an ISP is no longer a common carrier, they are immediately liable for any kind of traffic coming through their network.
The only reservation I have on this point is that I'm not sure all the parties involved have taken steps that could be considered abandoning common carrier status. For example, while I'm sure I remember seeing AT&T Broadband taking such actions, I don't remember seeing anything from UUNET that would expose them to this kind of action.
Of course, previous establishment of common carrier status for ISPs was under a slightly different political climate. The attitude towards the Net has changed. New deals have been done in business and politics. All bets could very well be off.
I guess they better sue the phone company too as I can use it to access the ISP to access the backbone to access the site.
/., but from the damn pop-ups.
And I think the site is overwhelmed not from
Those companies combined and whatever parent companies they have, though I could be terribly wrong, will crush the RIAA.
Truth, Just Us, And Hatred For All Mankind!
* Markerpen and PostIt makers for publishing technology enabeling people to use their CD's.
* Power suppliers for making peoples computers run.
* CD-R makers for making piracy easy.
* Microsoft for making WMA (which listen4ever.com uses)
* Linus Torvalds for making Linux and Bill Gates for making Windows which both enable music on computers thus encouraging piracy.
* Consumers for not buying enough CDs.
* Movie companies and game creators for making products that are worth the money so that kids use their money on DVDs and games instead of music.
* Themself for publishing music, thus making it subject to piracy.
Look a monkey!
the music fileformat is .wma
which is Windows Media Player crap.
Other countries are ruled by Governments that pay off people and businesses to keep quiet, and/or offer then immunity, jobs, etc. Our country is ruled by corporations that pay off government officials to keep quiet, and/or offer other companies and people immunity to keep quiet lo.
replacing it with NEW Folger's Crystals! (lets see if they notice the difference)
Popup? Are there still popup adds out there? I haven't seen one in about 9 months now.
The RIAAs Top Secret List of People to Sue Next!
Power Companies to Block Power to file sharers computers.
And U.S. Businesses for supplying file sharers with money to purchase computer equipment
Intel and AMD for supplying processors with which pirated music is downloaded.
U.S. mining companies for supplying the raw materials for hard drives.Then hard drive manufactuers.
All plants for supplying Oxygen for file sharers to breathe.
Microsoft --for muscling in on their (RIAA) turf.
The U.S. Government for not stopping piracy--and muscling in on the RIAA share of the action.
The Tawain government for not stopping piracy
The Chinese government for not invading Tawain and thus stopping piracy.
Al Gore for inventing the Internet
God, just because!
You know, terrorists are not always a bad thing...here's why:
Legistlation is obviously not stopping the RIAA in any capacity from stripping our rights from us under the guise of protecting themselves. Even boycotts barely make even a dent on their revenues. There are just too many people willing to just take their shit, and it is entirely too easy for them to buy people off. It IS happening and can't be denied.
I propose an entirely different solution to this resistance. Abandon all of this useless legislation and boycotting, because democracy and the free market has abandoned us here. The only way I forsee us winning this is if we make it harder for them to do business. I'm sure many people here have access to or control a good bit of their infrastructure. Unplug routers to their website, hack their servers, just do anything that will make it harder for them to operate. There a limited number of them and a hell of a lot more of people like me that are pissed off and resourceful. They will learn to fear us and we will be their demise. This is the new kind of terrorism, a good kind with a just cause. Join the fight!
Fireworks are illegal in North Carolina. When my dad was a teenager, he used to drive across the border to South Carolina, where they are legal, buy them, bring them back to his house, and set them off. What the recording industry is trying to do is to shut down that road that my dad drove on - or at least make them block off the exit that leads to the firework station. This is an untenable position for the record companies - if they succeed, then they will be setting a dangerous precedent.
Because this article renewed my anger at the RIAA, I decided to go ahead and pirate some music from listen4ever.com. Right after a slashdotting, I'm still getting about 20k/sec. That's pretty damn impressive, considering that most sites curl up into the fetal position, start sucking their thumb, and whimper after a slashdotting.
Mod my comments down. It'll be fun.
The RIAA would be well within their rights to sue Listen4ever in an international court, but suing the ISPs because it's too difficult to track down the copyright infringers is like suing the phone company because someone is hassling you from a series of public telephones and it's too hard to catch the caller.
The only point I can think of for the RIAA is that maybe there should be a process for shutting down a domain that is clearly violating international law. That raises all kinds of other issues, but pushing for amendments to international treaties might be an acceptable way for them to deal with their problem.
(Admittedly it would also be awfully hard to implement effectively given how easy it is to register a new domain name. In the end the only real solution is to catch the perpetrators; if that's too difficult, then you just have to live with the issue until you can improve your methods of finding and prosecting them.)
Making the ISP responsible for the messages it conveys basically shuts it down as a medium of free communication, and that's a price that is way too high for protecting copyright holders.
Don't you think this sort of thing is inevitable? A big lumbering giant like RIAA is such a vulnerable target. Sure they might be able to clobber Napster, but as soon as they do, a dozen new services spring up, and new clever ideas like this spring up.
I think its pretty clear that this is the beginning of the end for the music industry as we know it.
There are a thousand forms of subversion, but few can equal the convenience and immediacy of a cream pie -Noel Godin
Seriously, though -- there's no way this will work in their favor. I'm sure AT&T and Sprint's lawyers are salivating over the fees they're going to earn beating ??AA back and forth around the legal system until they beg and scream for mercy. And the bad guys started it!
I don't agree with copying music without compensating the artist (note I didn't say record company) in some way, but this is like trying to hold the phone company responsible if someone phones a bomb threat in to a school. It's ludicrous.
I do not read or respond to AC's. If you want a discussion, log in. Otherwise, don't waste your time.
Thank You for publicizing an easy way to download full albums.
Seriously did anyone know about this site, before the lawsuit. They are just making it worse for themselves.
Sounds a heck of a lot like OLD linkin park.
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asking its advertisers where they send their checks is an obvious approach
If I advertised on that site I would tell the RIAA to f*ck off if they asked where I send my check. Besides the fact that I probably like that site cause of its high volume, and therefore high ad impressions, the RIAA is not a government agency (as much as they like to think they are), and I have no need to give them any information without a court order. Selling out people you do business with is never cool.
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They can start by stopping ICMP packets from going from RIAA's and MPAA's websites to anyone (takes care of DOS problem).
As for hacking... oh screw it... just add a nice rule to the router that deny traffic coming from the RIAA or MPAA.
hmm... for me the site is working just fine as well, but I have yet to encounter any pop-up/under ads.
Could have the ad servers could been slashdotted, yet the main site survived?
Could this be a new use for the
"Dying tickles!" -- Ralph Wiggum
Ha. Now if you were advertising on music4ever, and the RIAA came sniffing around asking you where you send your checks, wouldn't you be likely to reply with something like "go pound sand."
Don't moderate flamebait as Troll. Know the difference or you will be Meta-moderated.
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Dear Sir
The issue at hand has absolutely nothing to do with fair rights usage.
It is not your fair usage right to violate copyright holders by downloading all of the warez and mp3s that you so desire. If you want that, stick with cable TV. This is the Internet, an information sharing network -- if the information is not your's to publish, then don't.
The issue at hand is the question of if the communication network which provides access by Americans to a Chinese based system which violates United States law.
For people who violate copyright law by publishing duplicate copies of commercial software and copyrighted music and movies, I have no sympathy. Shut this server down.
The Chinese website in question is clearly violating United States law. It may also be violating Chinese law, but to this I am not knowing.
This action seems very similar to the legal pursuits of the French government against eBay and Yahoo for posting content which is illegal in their country, but not in the U.S. Specifically, they were after WWII memorabilia, and anything deemed to be offensive by the French government.
Are ISPs which provide transit access to illegal material themselves responsible for the illegal material itself, even though it is under a different administrative domain outside of their control, and outside of the control of the U.S. government?
I do not think so. This is like holding the phone companies responsible for someone who did something illegal using their network. The ISPs in question do not condone or approve of the server in question which is violating U.S. law.
I hope you do not condone it either. There are enough mp3 downloading fools on this network already. I use the Internet to publish a daily journal, to share pictures that I take with my digital camera, and to communicate ORIGINAL WORKS by myself to others, and to obtain their own original works.
Fair rights ain't got nothing to do with it.
If it wern't for them trying to have that site blocked, I would have never found out about it :)
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The host of the mp3 site isn't too bright. Sure the site may be located in China, but they have actual Amazon.com referrer-ids for the "Buy this Album" link. The MPAA can't get you if you're in China, but they can get your referrer fees from a US based corporation. :-D
The RIAA is screwing themselves. I never heard of this site, but now I have. I bet this site is going to have to get a bigger server, maybe a US10000. A lot of my friends didn't use Napster, until they saw Lars Ulrich (Metallica) on prime time TV denouncing it.
I want my rights back. I was actually using them when our government stole them after 9/11.
Just viewing the site launched endless popup ad windows some of which resized themselves to fill the whole screen, popped more windows when you closed the old ones, etc.
Really? I have cookies turned off, and popup protections on in Mozilla. To top it all off, I'm running adzap under my squid proxy, so I didn't see a single popup (or any of the many banner ads they intended me to see).
It's too bad, really. Some of them sounded kinda interesting... ;-)
.. I'm inclined never to buy a cd again, ever, and instead I'll download high quality mp3s, or perhaps losseless APE's, and then send a flat $20 donation to bands whom I like.
I don't know about anyone else, but I'm discusted that this organization recieves a cut of the money I spend on cds, and spends it on the collective ability to limit my consumer rights.
I implore anyone with the talent and forsight to give me a legal, viable alternative to this music monopoly.
Don't backbone providers have a clause that denies their guilt in any illegal activity going over their own lines, instead shunting the blame to the user? (where it should be) I mean, God forbid you track down the actual offenders. Instead, track down the people that make the offense possible. If this gets through, expect the Internet (at least according to the US) to be shattered by the RIAA and MPAA, and whatever other group decides that they should be able to give us ethics and opinions to abide by.
Job? I don't have time to get a job! Who will sit around and bitch about being broke and unemployed then?
I like music. I used to buy a lot of it. I downloaded a lot of it too. No more.
I'll go listen to local bands play in local clubs. I'll buy or download music from a band's own Web site.
Downloading corporate music doesn't really get me anything, really. No more of my time, money or brain-power will be devoted to such a corrupt industry.
Now what makes you think that AT&T, Sprint, and Worldcom have any interest in making sure you can get to music4ever? They are in the business of business. I'm sure they are generally in favor of anything that increases the demand for internet access, but if the RIAA makes it more expensive to fight than to settle (without setting precedent) you can bet they won't stand on any larger priciple.
Don't moderate flamebait as Troll. Know the difference or you will be Meta-moderated.
Honestly though, if they win this, it means they have 100% control over what we can and can't view over the internet (did someone say 'censorship' ???)
I wonder how I can make a stand? Is all I can do just to idly stand by and cross my fingers while hoping the ISPs win? Honestly, I'd like to help fight against this, and I'm wondering in what ways I can help (other than writing to my congressman and the Justices of the SC, which I'm getting ready to do).
Uh, who has more money for lawyers... the RIAA, or the telecom industry? Offhand, I'd say the telcom industry has them outgunned by a couple orders of magnitude in terms of cash reserves, lawyers, and lobbyists. Not exactly the people I would want to piss off!
"Listen4ever has clearly located itself in China to avoid the ambit of United States copyright law," the suit said.
I'm certain that Listen4ever's alleged fixation on the United States explains those ads for ScottishPower and the Arsenal vs. Birmingham game.
Those who can, do. Those who can't, write technology blogs.
What are the chances that the RIAA's bandwith comes from one of these upstream companies. Sure would be terrible if the group gets together and pulls the plug to all of the RIAA participants. Just a plain old "I'm taking my ball and going home".
Does anyone else see the irony in the US blocking CHINESE web sites ??
I'm not surprised that the Chinese would up to stuff like this -- I'm an American businessman in the import- export business, so as you might guess, my frequent travels take me to many places around the world, on every continent.
I wanted to share my experience in the "great" country of China.
So, I was in Shenzhen China last December for about a week on business. A bit of background: Shenzhen, like Hong Kong and a few other places, is a "Special Economic Zone" that the Chinese government set up to try and give foreigners the illusion that China really ISN'T a drab, decaying fascist state that's economically languishing behind the rest of the world. Here, rules are relaxed and capitalism is encouraged, not surppressed. Well, let me tell you this, if this is China's best, then I'd hate to see the worst.
Anyways, when I stepped off the train from Hong Kong (which was no paradise itself, as that place has gone down the shitter since the Brits left) I was shocked. The whole place smelled like a combination of vomit and dog shit that had been left out in the sun for a day or so. And it was probably BECAUSE there was vomit and dog shit all over. I almost retched, and I've certainly been in some sketchy places in my travels but NOTHING like this.
People spit everywhere. Trash litters the streets. I found myself looking DOWNWARD much more than looking FORWARD when I walked.
Noise pollution is endemic. It doesn't help that their infernal language consists of abrupt rapid fire tones that is a cacophony for any human ear to bear. How do they speak and listen to that shit without going crazy all day long is beyond me.
Anyways, Chinamen stink -- literally. There is no concept of personal hygiene whatsoever. Meetings with even top officials were hourlong sessions of having to endure hot sweaty bodies and rancid breath eminating from mouths missing a few teeth. Geez, at least use deodorant for crying out loud.
The hypocrisy, corruption, and double-standards from the highest levels of government on over are the norm at the same time China opens up to the world. Foreigners get charged as much as five times for transportation, lodging, food, and everything else.
Traffic is horrible. Rules are non-existent except for at traffic lights: red means to go fast, green means to go REALLY REALLY fast.
The Chinese people themselve are pretty apathetic and everyone just wants to get out of that hell hole, so you see smuggling rings shipping people out hidden in truck beds and ships, all too often with tragic results.
The whole country, in my assessment is a lost case. Even the cheap labor can be found in Southeast Asia or Mexico. Same goes for pirated stuff -- SE Asia and Eastern Europe will keep on churning them out.
Anyways, the one redeeming quality were the girls. I paid 100 yuan (about $12 US) for a great fuck, with a 16 year old who seemed quite new and "unblemished" if you get my drift. Boy, was she tight, made all the right noises, sucked and fucked all night long and let me cum all over her. Much better than even the vaunted Thai whores, and worlds apart from anything in Las Vegas or in Europe. Best bargain I have EVER found in my life!
So yeah, screw the hell hole that's China. It's a lost cause of a country suspsended by a hollow facade of so-called new capitalism that's just show more than anything.
There's 10 types of people in this world, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Lord of the Rings DVDs have sold very well, just proves that we need good music and films not the half baked trash Hollywood and the big labels are churning out most of the time.
The lizard is your friend...I went there, didn't see any popups at all, and refused their cookies (from multiple servers).
20 January 2017: the End of an Error.
The RIAA is outmatched this time. The telecom industry isn't just going to lie down on this one...I see this being the starting point of either having the RIAA dissolved, or having copyright law redefined...
I honestly do think that the backbone providers should just "turn off" the RIAA's web site, and stop taking their money.
Then the RIAA would be in a bit of a bind, wouldn't it...
is here
Sooner than you think they will be sueing God him self bceause he doesn't block the passage of copyrighted music though sound.
Adolf? Is that you? Fucking A dude, where you been? I've been looking all over for you.
- Goebbels
The RIAA domain has been dropped by its ISP. Something about turnabout being fair play....
there are no stupid questions, but there are a lot of inquisitive idiots
I dont understand how the RIAA could make a case. How is the ISP violating copyright? The ISP is a non-descriminant transport vehicle. They shouldn't have to know what's in the packets and then police them. The RIAA shouldn't get special powers to get sites blocked for such a silly offense.
This is a serious problem with the digital world. The more digital things become, the more individual things can be blocked. Imagine if the power-grid was digital. Your computer would need a form of address to get the appropriate amount of power for your device. Then imagine the power company could specifically disallow power to that device. In a case like that, I could see the RIAA suing an electric company to not provide power to computers that go to an offending site. It's ridiculous that the RIAA could win, but if a case like this one goes the right way, it could establish a bizarre precedant.
I guess what I'm saying is: Just because somebody has the power to block this type of thing, doesn't mean they are obligated to. The RIAA has laws in their favor to go after somebody who does something like Listen4Ever has. The ISP's shouldn't have to pay because the RIAA isn't willing to do the necessary investigation to find out how to shut that server down. They're not the ones committing the crime, they are not even aiding them in copyright infractions. If the ISP's aren't treating them any differently than they are treating anybody else, I don't see how they can be held accountable if somebody breaks the law.
No organization should have that kind of power.
"Derp de derp."
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These RIAA guys are much smarter than I give them credit for. They can't sue the source, so they're going after the corporations that provide the medium. They are effectively trying to make the backbone providers part of their enforcement department.
... with their packet snatchers.
...
Couple this with some ISPs blocking well-known file sharing ports, presumably because of bandwidth concerns.
The Feds are doing this kind of thing too
Very tricky
We'll see if the backbone providers roll over, or try to argue common carrier status.
Time Warner isn't listed... Oh that's right they're an RIAA member.. Hmmm. Sue thy compeditor?
Personally I believe that it is not the ISPs job to filter content. As soon as a judgement is won against them, then let the floodgates open! Because then they are liable for everything from then on. It is not the job of the ISP to hunt down, block and filter everything. The only thing it means is Higher Rates and Lower customer satisfaction. (Higher rates because of the extra employees that they will need to do the content filtering)
I wasn't surprised. It was obvious to me how far intellectual property companies would go to keep milking their audiences.
The next step will be to sue people making equipment or software that doesn't include DRM controls. Yup, Microsoft is facilitating piracy, since their operating system allows the DivX codec to play ripped DVDs. So is Intel, since their processors will run operating systems that don't include digital rights management protections.
-- free the information --
Wasn't one of the major issues pushed through in a recent telecom bill to remove common carrier status for data networks(don't remember whether it was proposed or passed, though)- the motivation was largely to *allow* the carriers to filter content, setting up the opportunity for direct partnerships with the media firms by preventing access to competing media sites. It'll be interesting to see whether this backfires on them so quickly.
I'm waiting for the RIAA/ MPAA to purchase the major backbones. That'll be an interesting day in the history of free speech, privacy, and copyright infringement. Any thoughts?
They should be suing the John Doe site owner and subpoena'ing the advertisers, if they're really trying to find the site owners. Really though, what they're up to is finding a roundabout way to seize control of human to human communication by saying they decide what traffic telecoms and ISP's can transfer.
Eventually the RIAA is going to have to realize that album sales aren't going to be bringing in the big bucks anymore...
... [they] are going to have to focus on promoting concerts, t-shirts, and other things that can't be ripped from the web.
You're shoveling the RIAA's spin. The recording labels are not losing money because of mp3 downloads. They still make huge money; profits go up every year. The idea that mp3 downloads are hurting sales is pure RIAA propaganda.
They probably will try this, but right now artists live on ancillary income way more than on retail sales. I don't think it's a good idea for that income to start going to the labels now.
More important, the technology finally exists for artists to make and distribute their music without any need for the labels. Why should artists give 95% of their sales revenue to a bunch of suits? That money could go into the artists' pockets, and it should.
Ellen
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I just called my friend and told him about this site and where to buy cable boxes. I'll be looking forward to them suing my employer's local phone company (SBC) as well. And they might as well sue Lucent too, since they made the phone equipment.
Better analogy: Museums suing the photography industry, because people's ability to take pictures of great works of art lessens demand for museum tickets. "These cameras are just devices for stealing our intellectual property!"
Even better analogy: Book, magazine, and newspaper publishers suing makers of copying machines to block copying of copyrighted material.
Heh.
I'm sorry, but this sounds too much like the argument about why "Micro$oft will never endorse DRM".
Now we have Palladium.
Can we please call a moratorium on the use of the Underpants Gnomes bit? This is getting as bad as "All your base," and at least AYBABTU had a string of funny photoshops to give it some merit!
Thank you,
Nathan
so, IANAL, but it looks like this suit isn't legally valid, under the DMCA of all things. (Not that we're surprised ... ^^; ) Now's the time to get serious with your boycotts if you haven't been already.
Where is my subspace communications capability? I was promised flying cars and subspace communication ability by 2000. Not only that where is my computers that try and kill people. Weren't we supposed to be headed for Jupiter by now?
I should be able to go anywhere and watch any movie while my computer tries to kill me in the silence of space.
wish to announce my lawsuit against the major players involved in paving and maintaining roads. It seems that stolen cars are sometimes driven on these roads, and we have to put a stop to that.
...anything wrong with a corporation that requires litigation to keep itself alive?
The RIAA should sue their own service provider too, afterall, they allowed the RIAA access to the site too.
Since you hate blink182, then you should probably know, that George Carlin pioneered that... :)
Thank you, dear RIAA, for informing me of that site which I had no idea even existed.
Now, I think I'll go and download some Christina Aguilera music. I don't particularly like her (more of a B. Spears person), but since its free, I'll take it.
Seriously, ISPs have no business blocking web sites, or otherwise censoring the net. They are there to connect people to the internet, not to block them off from parts of it that special interests think we shouldn't see.
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Which is utter shit BTW. Those no talent douchebags can't even come up with new material so they beg other "real" bands to remix their old stuff.
Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
From the article:
"The suit states that despite Listen4ever's connections to
China, the site uses a U.S. domain name..."
Maybe I am just slow today, but what exactly is a "U.S. Domain Name"? It's not
Listen4ever.us.
SealBeater
-- Its survival of the fittest...and we got the fucking guns!!!
Suppose someone were to develop a DDOS 'client', just something running in the background, that would send packets to a site (ie. riaa.org) at a specified rate (say, per second), for a certain length of time (say, 24 hours). Point the client to a common news site (ahem), have it occassionally spider for a combination of terms (ie. RIAA, MPAA, DMCA, lawyers, etc) to initialize the client to an 'active' mode. Release the client to the public domain... (Names used in this example are purely for demonstratory purposes, brought up only for the reason that they are fresh on the minds of the readers.)
For security consultants, imagine the implications that would arise from this scenario, were such a hypothetical client to exist...
"Don't be so open-minded that your brain falls out."
There's no wrong way, to eat a Rhesus...
HAHA stupid RIAA!!!!!
those pitiful assmasters don't even realize that they can shut down web sites, and p2p networks ALL day long... but usenet... kids, usenet is where the real action is.
not only can i download endless pr0n svcd/vcd/jpg/mpg files, but i can also download the latest music (hell even all the classics!), games for all my consoles, warez for fuckin' EVERY platform. and well pretty much anything else that i could ever need or want.
so please, kill those freakin p2p networks... they are hogging all my bandwith....
1: Aquire german accent, jah?
2: Block servers in Sudetenland.
3: Block servers in Poland and rest of Europe.
4: Build Atlantik Feuermauer.
5: Deploy unterwasser booten to shield ze Americans from us evil Europeans who got no RIAA.
Dear Big ISPs,
Why don't you block this offending, and now suing your using inapropriate language site, www.riaa.org ?
Thanks,
Customer.
PS. 2 edged sword -- if RIAA wins, these guys could block them just because of the case, if RIAA losts, they still can do this because they lost and spread information that it is not correct (proved in the court).
Time to invest in companies developing encryption.
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
~$ whois Listen4Ever.com
.com, .net, and .org domains can now be registered
.COM, .NET, .ORG, .EDU domains and
Whois Server Version 1.3
Domain names in the
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.
Domain Name: LISTEN4EVER.COM
Registrar: MELBOURNE IT, LTD. D/B/A INTERNET NAMES WORLDWIDE
Whois Server: whois.melbourneit.com
Referral URL: http://www.melbourneit.com
Name Server: DNS2.HICHINA.COM
Name Server: DNS1.HICHINA.COM
Updated Date: 08-jan-2002
>>> Last update of whois database: Fri, 16 Aug 2002 17:02:01 EDT
The Registry database contains ONLY
Registrars.
Found crsnic referral to whois.melbourneit.com.
Domain Name.......... listen4ever.com
Creation Date........ 2002-01-09
Registration Date.... 2002-01-09
Expiry Date.......... 2003-01-09
Organisation Name.... Jun Sun
Organisation Address. No.15 Xinghua yizhi road.
Organisation Address.
Organisation Address. tianjin
Organisation Address. 300381
Organisation Address. Tianjin
Organisation Address. CHINA
Admin Name........... kery crise
Admin Address........ Rotterdam-Maasvlaktee Europaweg
Admin Address........
Admin Address........ Rotterdam
Admin Address........ 223211
Admin Address........ Rotterdam
Admin Address........ CHINA
Admin Email.......... yourlisten4ever@yahoo.com
Admin Phone.......... (31)10-2217741
Admin Fax............ 31)10-2217752
Tech Name............ luo qiang qiang
Tech Address......... Linguo beilu
Tech Address.........
Tech Address......... Lasa
Tech Address......... 223211
Tech Address......... Xizang
Tech Address......... CHINA
Tech Email........... sfp@eyou.com
Tech Phone........... (86)0891-63322444
Tech Fax............. (86)0891-63322444
Name Server.......... dns1.hichina.com
Name Server.......... dns2.hichina.com
I was browsing it when the permissions changed :(
Either the law of bandwidth has caught up with Listen4Ever, or my IP has been blocked (which is quite extraordinary, cosidering I'm on dial-up), because I'm getting a 403 going there...
chdir("c:\\con\\con");
... they could block all domains relating to the RIAA. Their reasoning could be "Well, you expect us to enforce your copyrights, so we're prventing people from copying data from your site and resposting it elsewhere. This is what you wanted. I mean, somebody could copy and paste images from your site and use them illegally!"
The RIAA would be forced to sue the ISP's to unblock them. Then the ISP's could be court ordered to remove all the blocks and let free-speech reign. Either the ISP's have the right to choose which sites they block, or they cannot block any at all. So either the RIAA earns their own blockage, or the ISP's cannot be forced to block anybody they don't want to.
Literally visited that site at 8:30 EST and I refreshed after getting to the main page and I get greeted with Virtual Directory can't be found just visited again and it is redirecting to http://www.mp3mediaworld.com/ HMMM>
This is the legal equivalent of suing the contractor who maintains your local streets, because some people used said streets as a getaway route after a bank robbery -- a robbery that happened over the border *in another country*.
~REZ~ #43301. Who'd fake being me anyway?
I find it interesting that this attack goes after a group that is financially unstable. They will probably decide to settle out of court, just to avoid legal fees.
Interesting. The same device that the U.S. is using to hold prisoners indefinitely at Guantanamo Bay. Too bad we (America) didn't think to patent that practice. Though if we did, RMS would probably object
i also auggest using a download utility such as flashget since i'm not getting anything past an average of 5k/sec on initial tests.
also, they only accept 2 concurrent connections from one IP.
I had never heard of this site before, and only ten minutes ago I downloaded a song from them. Now, I no longer get the same site. Whenever I try to access listen4ever.com I get redirected to mp3mediaworld.com insted. For a while I had an error message saying that the site was forbidden. Could this be my ISP (RoadRunner) already taking action?!?
I was busily dloading wma files when i got a 'not allowed' messagr from the web server. then it started going to http://www.mp3mediaworld.com/ instead of the original site. It looks like someone grabbed the DNS
If you find an artist that you enjoy and would like to buy their album, see if you can buy a promo directly from the artist. Doesn't matter if they're with a big label or not.
Look at it this way - if a backbone provider begins to block traffic based on content, then:
1. - they may put their common carrier status at risk; and,
2. - other illegal content should be blocked as well.
So, if you live in a state where spam is illegal, a natural extension would be for the backbone carriers to block spam sites (of course, the problem with open relays means all of the far east may be blocked, but hey, spam is spam.) Of course, when jurisdictions start forcing the blockage of legitimate (read RIAA member) music sites because of language or other content, cutting them off from their customers, the RIAA may wish they never went down this road.
Not that I really think forcing the pipe owners to block content is a good idea, but the law, like landminds, can harm friend and foe alike. It's all in how a weapon is used.
I'm a consultant - I convert gibberish into cash-flow.
Those no talent douchebags can't even come up with new material so they beg other "real" bands to remix their old stuff.
But they TRYYYY SOOOO HAAAARD!!!
You have this out of order...
...
1) Profit! (They already are profiting)
2) Screw customers
3)
Once that is done, then a new network can be created that can only be accessed with GPLd software. Then the RIAA cannot access the network unless they pirate copies of the software. then under the DMCA, they can be sued by GNU and have to pay a million-trillion dollars......
... Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the Consent of the Governed...
watch traffic on the site jump sharply and then they tell hollings and company that file trading runs rampant and they're losing money, which in turn gets them corporate welfare (DMCA, SSSCA, etc). They could be using slashdot against us...
Why yes I am paranoid! Thanks for asking!
Well, seems as though either they've gone offline for some reason relating to the lawusit, or we just slashdotted them, now listen4ever.com directly links to mp3mediaworld. Congradulations us.
Mod my comments down. It'll be fun.
The whole "filthy vermin" thing weakens your position. If you present the facts in a clear, concise manner, you will find more supporters.
Unless of course, this is an exercise in reverse psychology.
This site in China needs to put up a whole bunch of other unrelated sites as virtual hosts at the same IP address so then the ISPs can claim there's substantial non-infringing use available at that IP address, therefore it would be wrong to block it.
The site is now slashdotted :) It now points to:
:)
http://www.mp3mediaworld.com/
Which is not the site I saw when I clicked the link the first time
For the record, in the state of Washington if I, humbly convenience store employee, sell someone a six-pack, and they later drive drunk, it is the my (the seller's) responsibility. Such is the zaniness of the law in the US of A.
Huh, I guess rather than blocking the site my ISP (Time warner) is rerouting it to the Tucows registered site http://www.mp3mediaworld.com
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The music Industry makes in a year what Telecom makes in a week. An analogy would be an 800lb gorilla (RIAA) attacking a 41,600lb gorilla. Thus begins the greatest gorilla bitchslapping of the 21st century.
If the RIAA wins this case, it could do severe damage to the Internet. It would mean that American ISPs and backbone providers can be forced to block websites located outside the United States who may violate American laws. This means coporations start resorting to sueing or even threatening backbone providers to block websites they don't like. Now since many webservers host multiple websites, some on the same IP, this could lead to legitimate websites being blocked as well.
Worse yet, what happens if for some reason the backbone providers start getting overzealous in blocking? What if the ISP hosting the website periodically juggles around the IPs to throw off the filters? Or what if they open up alternate ports for the webserver to get around a simple port 80 block? In these cases, backbone providers may block the entire ISPs assigned IP block. Depending on how this is done, they could just block port 80 on that IP block, or worse, all traffic.
If backbone providers start resorting to blocking all traffic to offending ISPs, it would blackout portions of the Internet from the United States. It would become the United States own great firewall.
Please people, the RIAA has nothing to do with music, they are part of a different industry.
The RIAA represents one aspect of the copyright industry.
It is their job manipulate the legal system to increase profits for their industry because the basis for their industry (and their means of manufacturing scarity) is entirely through the privledges they have obtained in the copyright laws.
Complexity Happens
Perhaps one of these days the communist China's government copies yet another of the worst ultra-capitalistic practises and learns to sue any entity that dares to route traffic to Tibet sites they haven't explicitly authorized. Since they claim ownership of Tibet, surely that also includes copyrights of anything related to their occupied neighbor.
Within People's Republic of China such problems have naturally been already solved using the Great Firewall of China.
Hilary Rosen: As an act of penance for facilitating countless heinous acts of piracy, I will now impale myself on this giant acrylic spike. . .
From the article... According to the suit the artists whose works are being unlawfully copied and distributed through Listen4ever are: Christina Aguilera, Bruce Springsteen, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Eric Clapton, Barbara Streisand, Lenny Kravitz and Whitney Houston
Now we know which bands not to buy music from anymore. Thank you RIAA.
Then they are just as guilty for aiding in copyright infringement for providing their material on digital media in the first place. If they had never left vinyl, none of this would be a problem.
So there! Nyah!
File under 'M' for 'Manic ranting'
Smoove move. Wonder if the RIAA has a nullroute in its future?
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A few months ago, the Church of Scientology(TM)(C)(R) sued Google, among others, to remove Operation Clambake from their search listings.
Curious.
This sig no verb.
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I'm getting 90K/sec off this baby. I cant believe I never heard of this site before today.
Notably missing are two leading ISPs owned by one of the plaintiffs: AOL and CompuServe. I'd be interested to know if those ISPs are blocking this site.
Well, at least they're suing, not blacklisting. My big fear has always been that freedom-loving ISPs would be made to restrict user access, or lose their backbone connections. And AOL/TW is a big backbone provider.
The site is located in China. Chinese law, not American, applies.
And regardless of which law applies, the fact remains that access providers are not law-enforcement agencies.
"Do I dare disturb the universe?"
Seems to me that since they can't find the guys who are actually doing something wrong, they'll go after the guys who have the big, deep pockets.
When the French Govt. took Yahoo! t ocourt to try to stop them allowing access to German wartime memorabilia from France, the US courts told Chirac and his merry men to go take a jump.
The RIAA trying to deny access to a site based in China is exactly the same point of law - I'd expect the same result from the US courts (unless it goes to Rhenquist and his vote-buying buddies in the Supreme court, in which case all bets are off).
One simple workaround would be for the US ISPs to sponsor an anonymous proxy somewhere in the depths of cyberspace (Niue, for example), and publicise the existence of this proxy to the whole of the US audience. All users could use this proxy to access the 'illegal' content from China, and the RIAA would then be left with no target to aim at, and may just resort to shooting itself (foot, head - who cares?).
Just my 0.02...
oh brave new world, that has such people in it!
The RIAA member labels can be found here. Don't buy music from them. There are plenty of good independent labels with good artists that deserve your money. Don't give it to those RIAA shills.
"No, no, no. Don't tug on that. You never know what it might be attached to."
No matter what side you take on the issue, the RIAA (and MPAA) are getting too powerful. If they win this, it seems like there's no stopping them. This is looking like it's really going to pass. These guys have to be stopped before thay can't be.
Thanks for pointing me to Tori Amos' new album, one which won't be released for more than two whole months! Wooo hooo! I knew reading /. every day would come in handy sometime in my life.
all go to our lawyers and sue the RIAA for continuing to distribute Rage against the machine albums in this time of imperialis^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H war for freedom! I mean, if you can't shout fire in a theatre, how can you talk about overthrowing the government in these times? The RIAA SHOULD BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FOR SUPPORTING TERRORISM!
We could coordinate and do it on the same day, coin it "Pointless Litigation Day" and make a holiday of it in the future.
(BTW, i love rage against the machine, but this shouldnt hurt them too much since they're not togethether anyway)
for not blocking access to 'illegal' numbers in other countries?
eg; in Canada, hate speech is illegal. It is illegal to run, for instance, 1-900-KKK-DORK in Canada. The operators of such services (in Canada) have been successfully prosecuted.
In the US, 'free speech' protects everything. Many such phone lines exist. Can a group in Canada sue Ma Bell for allowing Canadian exchanges to reach that line?
Would that not be the same thing?
To avoid comparing apples and oranges, lets say its a phone service that plays MP3s. Dial-a-tune. w/o consent. Can they sue Ma Bell, given that they cant prosecute the actual offender?
On a similar note, can the RIAA sue airlines/travel agents, for allowing people to travel to countries where 'piracy' is rampant?
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
This is most excellent news...
We knew that this was waiting to happen. As ludicrous as at seems, we all knew that -- sooner or later -- this sort of law suit would be filed.
Legal precidence for this has been establish in the U.S. courts already and the news was very, very good.
I love this. Let's just get this bit of sillyness over and done with.
--Richard
So I could stand in front of it. Jesus god man, when is something going to be done against them?
prostoalex works for the RIAA they couldn't shut it down so they
prostoalex writes "Music labels filed a lawsuit against major Internet service providers for not blocking access to Listen4Ever.com, music site located in China. The defendants in the suit include AT&T Broadband, Cable & Wireless USA, Sprint Corp., Advanced Network Services and UUNET Technologies." Wow
-- everyones not everybody and neither is everybody like everyone.
As I recall there is a provition in one of these statues to stop this kind of litigation. Wasnt there a section which did not hold isp/backbone providers responable for content So long as they made some effort to shut down offending customers when notified ?
Yet again the RIAA goes after someone other than the guilty parties (thieves). They're too stupid to figure out how to catch crooks so they want to blanket everyone with blackouts and annoying DRM's. It's time people stopped listening to and cowering to the RIAA.
One of the greatest things about this country is its freedom to information (weather it is privacy, speach, armaments, whatever...) Information is and has usually (unless the NSA is involved) always been there. Ask any librarian. The local library here (small conservative town) will not even filter internet content on the public computer. (We all know how fast a horny teenager can find pr0n sites.) If internet providers are now leagally obliged to filter sites for whatever reason, you can bet that EVERY gov't agency, EVERY religious organization, EVERY ACLU chapter, ANYBODY with a few bucks will be dictating what gets blocked. Watch, Non-Technophiles will want hacker sites like slashdot to be blocked!
I've always looked at the internet as a huge library. Stuff is there. Good and Bad. It isn't up to the librarians to keep you away from bad stuff. It is your own moores and conscience. (Don;t give me any rap about people without these...They should have their pursuits blocked.)
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"First things first -- but not necessarily in that order"
-- The Doctor, "Doctor
Start your own band, distribute your music for free. Like Wilco. If enough people do this it will be like 1977 again (birth of punk for those too young to remember), the do-it-yourself ethic. We have better tools now, it's bound to happen soon. Then the recording industry will be irrelevant.
Since Al Gore invented the internet.
Actually what Al Gore did was promote legislation giving commercial users unrestricted access to the Internet. Up until then it had been a government, educational-insitiution, and suppliers-to-them sort of thing, and commercial speech was largely banned.
Al's legislation largely spiked attempts by the users and operators of the Internet to block commercial speech. At first this just gave people posting ads to email lists and news groups an excuse. But eventually the first spammers began harvesting addresses and sending automated email (apparently starting with an ad for such email software B-( at least that's the first spam I got) and the flood was on.
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
Of course it will. Just look at how well it worked for Microsoft. They would have gotten away with it too, if it wasn't for those meddling kids, and their dog too.
And if someone gets away with banning porn... Jesus, they'd half to block half the fucking internet...
For one we can ask all the big major backbones (whom the RIAA is sueing) to block their website at the routing points :)
That will be especially interesting when/if the RIAA gets congressional authorization to DOS P2Pers.
"Those guys were flooding our network with packets and DoSing some of our customers' customers. That's against our acceptable use policies and it was chewing up our backbone bandwidth. So we had to cut them off. No, it's just a coincidence that they were already suing us..."
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
Until you pointed it out, I never knew this site existed! cooool.... time to go search for mp3's.
If the site being blocked were a child pornography site, would you the general slashdotter have the same reactions? I FUCKING HOPE SO.
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WHO ATE MY BREAKFAST PANTS?
One result of a loss of common carrier across the internet backbones/ISPs is that difficult (to accept) forms of speech would not be able to exist on the net as ISPs, or upstream providers chose to yank connectivity, due to lawsuit worries. We'd end up with only the safest material out there on the web. The RIAA is threatening the possibility of diversity on the Internet, and therefore should be vaporized.
listen4ever.com redirects to mp3mediaworld.com. Now, every link on this site is to a Dutch site. It doesn't appear that they even host any archives, but link to a handful of others.
.nl sites that are all linked from here. Also, where do they get the idea that the portal is the evil? I would think that such a knee-jerk reaction by them would be followed by petitioning for all of the American ISP's to block traffic to any Dutch site, if this suit holds any water whatsoever (IMHO, it holds water like a sieve).
Where's the China come in? oh wait. Dig'ing on listen4ever.com comes up with authorities being dns1.hichina.com and dns2.hichina.com.
What I'm really curious as to the RIAA's plan, is whether or not they're going to go after the 15-20
What will they think of next?
Never attribute to Hanlon that which can be adequately attributed to Heinlein.
Let's sue the people who made the fiber, the people who made the network cards, the people what made the computers, the people that made the operating system, the people that patented the processes of which computers are made, the inventor of the semiconductor, the inventor of the circuit, the inventor of the keyboard, the inventor of the monitor, the inventor of DC power, and God (why not?) After all, according to the RIAA's beliefs they are guilty too.
Between the DMCA and DRM and Congress helping corps trash Title 9 and the First Amendment I've had my fill. The only thing members of Congress (like this guy) seem to be doing is opening their wallets to lobbyists and campaign contributors and don't seem to give a rat's ass about the people they're supposed to be representing. I'm getting to the point where I fear the only way things will change is if I do it myself.
I turned 25 last month. I'm a resident of my state. I've still got three months until November. Does anybody know of any "Running for Congress for Dummies" websites or books out there? I think I've found most of the necesary paperwork but I don't think that's all there is to it...
I got it through on the whois.apnic.net whois server
but at present it doesn't repond to web traffic
- Each time there is a bank robbery, the manufacturer of the car should be sued. If there are three or more felonies while in a particular brand of vehicle, the manufacturer should sued out of existence.
- RIAA should be sued their member labels putting our music which is violent in nature. Anytime any track is published with refrences to drugs, shooting, rape etc RIAA should be taken to court. In fact RIAA should be taken to court for each and every violent crime, drug related crimes anything. After all some of their published music encourages such acts in its lyrics.
But of course the RIAA wont agree to those terms. The bastardsHow would /.ers suggest I protect my customers privacy and protect my business at the same time? What would you want from an ISP?
I remember there was a story about this a while back when they were in a law suit with Napster and all and that AT&T and others Wrote a doctorine stateing that they didn't think it was a good idea to have a company filter it's users because noticed that it could affect them as well. So I would imagine that The companys being sued have already thought about this for a while.
suing? suiting?
whateva
You know, I got thinking about this, and it is REALLY stupid. Now.. I know pretty much EVERY pose before me and after me will say the same thing. But... think about it.. what the RIAA is basicly doing, is like if you drive a Honda, and you get in a wreck with someone driving a Ford, you turn around and sue Ford for the wreck...
- I'm a music pirate in China with no computer and no internet connection, but I do have a telephone and an answering machine.
- I put a Metallica song on my outgoing message tape, so anyone who calls my number hears the song.
- I publish my phone number all over the world.
- The RIAA for some reason can't locate me through the Chinese phone company, so they sue to make US phone carriers block calls to my number.
- At no point in any of this are computers or the internet involved.
Would they (the RIAA) get anywhere with that lawsuit? I really don't know. But if there's a reasonable answer, I'd hope the answer for the current Internet situation is the same answer.thou pleaseth stopeth witheth thiseth blockquoth stuffeth. Iteth iseth gettingeth oneth myeth nerveths.
On cable, I'm reaching 60kbps. Try again, dude ;)
Why not continue on the same course? I mean, they should be suing companies like 3Com - if they didn't make modems, then people couldn'e access the site, or how about companies that make keyboards? They should have a chip in them that won't allow you to type in names of songs. Or sue companies that make computer speakers, because their primary use is to play pirated music, isn't it? Hell, let's just sue everyone with ears...
If ISP's are responsible for who is allowed on/off their network, then refusing service to the RIAA is fair.
The ISP's should put into their service agreement that you are not allowed to use their service if you're a member of the RIAA.
If you check the terms and conditions of use as posted on the "defendents'" websites, you will see that, like all other ISP's, they have done some CYA work. The following is directly from the AT&T TAC policy: "5. Legal conditions There is a wide variety and quantity of information available through the Internet using AT&T WorldNet Service. While we hope you'll take full advantage of the Internet, please note that we don't have control over most of what's accessible through the Service -- in other words, you're responsible for protecting yourself from harmful or inaccurate information." Of course, this is primarily to cover them as a provider of service and not as a backbone provider, I believe the TAC mentions that it covers all services obtained through AT&T. Let the RIAA go through the arbitration process with the illusive owners of the site, being as that looks like their only "legitimate" legal avenue. As a side note -- I realize that the US government is really screwed up, but do you really think they are going to let the RIAA cut in on their action? I don't think so!
Interesting. When I try the site, I get redirected to another site called mp3mediaworld.com. Did you find the same thing ?
is it possible they located themselves in china because they're chinese?
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
BhaaaBhaaaaBhaaaaa
Please lead me...
I didn't use the preview button, so get over it!!!!
Mike
I have to wonder why the RIAA is hell-bent on eliminating copyrighted music on only the internet. Hasn't it occurred to them that songs can be copied off the radio? Granted, there's a loss of quality, but with a strong signal, it's not much. And isn't XM digital? Wouldn't copying a song off XM be making a (more or less) identical copy of it? True, you have to pay for XM (I think), but you have to pay your ISP as well.
I can just picture the RIAA suing every radio station in America for letting people listen to music without buying the CDs. Geez, the RIAA is probably the best reason I've ever heard of to not buy CDs.
Due to technical diffculties we are unable to maintain your internet connectivity.
Just traceroute to iraa.org guess who it goes though? UUNET! (Alter.net) =) Pehraps UUNET should just YANK THE FUCKERS OFF THE NET and be done with it!
mwhahaha
Everyone wants a Tux in their life.
Lameness filters suck, but this lawsuit sucks worse.
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Whizzmo
Atari holds some of the most basic video game concepts, like scrolling backgrounds. After the Lynx and Jaguar died, those patent infringement lawsuits are what kept Atari alive.
I'm a noc worker and in ever edge device i work with I've blocked the RIAA and the MPAA from accessing any transit across my network. Infact if they attempt to hack or DoS any subscribers on my network I will be forced to blackhole them and report them to their upstream provider as to cease the threat they cause to my network and users.
Tried downloading a nirvana track here with explorer, and not a single pop-up. The quality only went up to 96kbps and it was a wma not an mp3, but the site worked better than most mp3 warez sites. And it's slow, Kazaa Lite is the faster service.
Sure there's not any spyware on your system that's causing the pop-ups?
Of all the nasty things MS has done, they have never pushed for laws to make people buy their products, or sued to make the courts shut down their competitors.
Via Telstra (australia), I still get the original listen4ever site. And I saturate my ADSL (50KB/sec) when I load pages from that site... perhaps your upstream ISP is being devious?
You are in a twisty maze of processor lines, all alike.
There is a lot of hype here.
It happened with some of the links. Links to actual music files came back as garbled text...my understanding is that they're supposed to be ZIP archives (why?), but their server's MIME type settings must be seriously fscked since Mozilla tries to display it as text. (Hell, I have Apple II archive files here, and clicking the links with Mozilla brings up the proper download dialog. Two lines in $APACHE_ROOT/conf/mime.conf is all it took for that...and I'd expect that the MIME types for ZIP archives are already configured in every webserver out there.)
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Actually if the site owners are indeed located in China, the business might be legitimate.
In Russia, for example, you can create your own musical server, just like the mentioned site provided you pay the nominal compulsory licensing fees enforced by Russian copyright laws. The term compulsory also implies that a label is forced to grant a license to whoever asks for it, provided that they pay the fee for every song that has been downloaded. Check Zvuki.ru (site is in Russian) for an example of such a site, it has legit MP3's and pays labels. More about compulsory licensing scheme (which was invented in the US, by the way) can be found in Lessig's "Future of Ideas".
The RIAA has more to worry about because of the general ill will generated by previous business behavior like Enron and Worldcom and the slapping about of others as big if not bigger than themselves. People are getting tired of businesses behaving like two year olds.
Everyone is arguing about copyrights and what's fair use and what's not, etc. I think you're missing the bigger picture with this -- they are suing a PUBLIC INFRASTRUCTURE to control what happens on it. If that's not the start of the end of free speech I don't know what is. Next will the government take over the power grid by suing the electric companies because they fail to stop people from using power to grow Marijuana? Will they sue the phone company because people occasioanlly use it for illegal means? This goes well beyond copyright issues and into free speech and open public communications infrastuctures. They want to throw the baby out with the bathwater. I'm sure if they made music priacy a capital offense pirating would go way down too. How far are we going to let corporate America invade our civil liberties? I hope this lawsuit is tossed out in a heartbeat. I also hope the major ISP's have the testicular fortitude to stand up to the RIAA mafia.
Hmmm...you could try the old standard shift-click to download. I think some sites rename mp3's to .zip and set the mime type to text/plain in order to avoid detection.
send something like this to them. it won't have any effect, but it'd use up some time. try info@rcarecords.com to start off, then look around for the rest.
I have just read at Yahoo! News that your company is involved in
suing the AT&T Broadband Corp., Cable & Wireless USA, Sprint Corp,
Advanced Network Services, and UUNET Technologies. I find such
conduct by your company unacceptable. Instead of attempting to shut
down the offending website, you instead use an industry coalition
(RIAA) and deep pockets to bully the previously mentioned corporations
into giving in to your demand: block content at listen4ever.com from
travelling through their servers.
This suit is as ridiculous as suing the United States Government
because people carrying pirated music use it to transport their
illegal CDs. It sounds crazy, but this is exactly what you are doing
to the bandwidth providers mentioned above. They did not publish or
produce the content you want them to block. And they are not required
by law to block such content.
This suit is another step in taking away the rights that U.S.
citizens enjoy. Because of your corporation's involvement in this
suit, I will no longer be purchasing music produced by any of the
artists you represent until you withdraw from this inappropriate
suit. I urge you to reconsider your decision.
That would make that America would comply with the Kyoto treaty.
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Men with no respect for life must never be allowed to control the ultimate instruments of death.
GW Bu
*goes to site*
*notices a distinct lack of classical music*
*moves on*
Err, yah, I'll stick with Direct Connect for now. . . . bleh.
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Hmm....
Use 'slashdot stuff' in the subject line in any email you send me if you want to get past the spam filter.
If the RIAA is so all fired up about stopping this sight, why not pay China to do it? They already have the firewall in place. A few greenbacks to some 'key officials' and the IP adress just dissapears. Heck for a few more buck you could get whoever's hosting it "reeducated".
SD
âoeWho knew something as harmless as willful ignorance could end up having real consequences?â
Complaint and the Memorandum
Fun stuff if you're into legal documents...
-- Are you an EFF member yet?
Blocking websites would be analogous to blocking any content that go against the "rules & regulations" in a particular country. If thats their argument , i am sure that anti-piracy groups have been trying hard to shut down warez servers and groups and yet they continue to exist in one form or the other. As long as they fail to address the core issues like legalizing mp3 sales its going to change nothing. Napster yesterday , listen4ever today.
Siggy Say, Siggy Do
Since we just had an article on spam. Aren't we also asking ISP's to block spammers as well?
How far can the idea be taken? Maybe blocking illegal music sites perhaps?
'Plaintiffs in the suit include such major labels as'
So, since I can get to this site via RoadRunner, will Warner Brothers be suing Time Warner Cable?
If the RIAA wins, then I can use this precedent to sue the phone company to filter out those telemarketers once and for all!
Gee, if the RIAA prevails, I guess we'll have to shut down all major highways, because they allow people to transport stolen goods across state and national borders. Or am I making a ridiculous analogy?
Mi klopodas varbi por Esperanto.
Well if we're going for magnitude of mistake? Shouldn't that be "RIAA tries to shut down the canadian government"?
I found a klez-shielding .RAR on my boss'
PC today, so my radar was pricked a little
bit when I went to the site and found RARs
up here.
So, let's get this straight...
Suddenly here's a site all kinds of traders
have never of, it's slicker than grease (if
ad-busy), it offers full album for free, the
plaintiffs can't ID the owners, and to download
anything from it you've got to accept this new
certificate for the "downloader" software.
I dunno.... Sounds to me like one of those deals
where the cops offer free beer to a bunch of
guys with bench warrants...
"of the","by the", and "for the" only works when it's for the majority. People's interpretation, which got us into the present mess, is themselves and "only" themselves.
You know... I stuck a pencil in my ear and that song is still stuck in my head.
AND IT'S LOUDER THAN THE RINGING...
IN THE END IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER
Get your Unix fortune now!
the next time some redheck jarhead incoherently screams "Love it or leave it" as a response to any argument, I may have to take him up on that offer.
It appears that they have a user-agent redirect setup to go to mp3mediaworld.com.
Any IE derivative browser gets to listen4ever, anything else gets mp3mediaworld.com.
Thanks to Ethereal and Mozilla's customisable user-agent setting, I can now actually get to the site in Mozilla and turn off those squillion pop-ups.
Oh and a big thanks to the RIAA for letting us know about this site
You are in a twisty maze of processor lines, all alike.
There is a lot of hype here.
There's actually a cool Amoeba out there for anybody into experimental OSes.
terrorism is always "just," from the point of view of the terrorist. I'm sure if, after you did this to the RIAA, you'd scream bloody murder if they turned around and did it to you.
the coolest club on
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WHO ATE MY BREAKFAST PANTS?
Now let's all sue the DOT. Isn't it their roads criminals travel on en route to commit their crimes?
Why go to all that trouble and bad PR to have ISP's block a site when you can just get a story about it posted here and have it slashdotted?
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"Karma can only be portioned out by the cosmos." - Homer Simpson [1F10]
My post above is not meant to defend the RIAA's actions, but just to make a point. China's motivation is totalitarian control. The RIAA's motivation is money. Legally, the RIAA is only trying to enforce property rights, but they are doing so through unreasonable means.
THANKS. You said what I can't seem to say without getting all violent and armegeddonish.
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If the RIAA wins you will be...that is so sad that this case wouldn't be thrown out immediately.
All the recording industry ever does is whine. If they would actually put up a real music site online where people could actually honestly pay for music, at a price that does not include the costs of manufacturing and distributing CDs (but would include the cost of running a site and the associated bandwidth, of course), then I believe a lot more people would honestly pay for the music. The price should be about $2 per 60 minute album, but definitely not more than $5.
This needs to be in format(s) to allow it to be played on any computer or any playback device. As long as they want to impose this DRM shit, then people are going to find ways around it, and as they do, sales will be lost in greater amounts than DRM would protect. If they are going to discriminate against certain sectors of the market and not sell music that they can play, then they should not whine when the people in those sectors find a way to get the music without paying.
now we need to go OSS in diesel cars
Once these commie bastards start realizing that all the tech in the US is leaving to belize, they'll sue us, but we'll have the technology to fuck them up. i'm all for it.
1776 style. too bad there isn't really any good land to grab like there was in North America in 1776.
We'll have to do it from here, civil war style...except no mason dixon line. And by from here, i mean everywhere, not just the US.
I think we can organize and overthrow all the world corporations...and the governments that they have purchased. while it may be bloody, every human on earth will be able to fight the good fight for real freedom.
It will be like Thomas Paine's version of 1776, except for everyone everywhere.
So... I'm using roadrunner, a rather large cable modem network owned by timewarner to get to listen4ever, should time warner sue itself? The argument against probably being that time warner uses one of the major backbones being sued in the case, but couldn't the time warner network still block it?
Secondly, regarding RIAA profits, how much money are they spending on lawyers and legal fees? That is the only way I could see the sharing of MP3s damaging the record industry's profits. If they would leave people alone, they would save their costs in legal fees, and let the free music sharing be the huge advertising campaign that it is, they would be set.
Also, why aren't there more independent internet-only music publishing companies out there? Similar to MP3.com, where artists can publish their music without being under the thumb of some record company.
Simply put.. the fewer CDs you buy from RIAA companies and the more you buy from Indies and those that support modern distribution and sampling of new music.. the less power RIAA will have.
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He could sure use everyone's help.
Is it true that AT&T, etc, didn't block access to the site, yes. That's really not in question. The only thing that is in question is whether that somehow constitutes violation of some law.
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And to think, Peek-A-Booty was developed for people who live under oppressive governments censoring the web. If things go the RIAA's way, and I think they can pay enough judges to make it happen, we'll be needing it ourselves. How ironic. Land of the free and home of the brave, eh? Or, should that be land of the pretend-to-be-free and home of corporate interests?
-R
Gimme a break. Maybe not originally, but any group of people eventually becomes 'evil'. It's human nature to do so, and most people can't not give in. It's impossible not to. Democrats and Republicans weren't originally bad, they ended up that way. Think about stuff before you say it, and do what I do: Don't vote federally, only vote local, because you can't get to the top without climbing the stairs.
This country's due for a revolt soon, anyway. No 'great' society has gone for more than around 200-300 years without a significant revolt. The things this country was founded on need to be followed. And I know this country was founded by white slave owners who wanted to be free, but still, what they said holds true, and ergo, it doesn't matter who they were: they were right. Every once in a while, the tree of liberty needs to be refreshed with blood. Unfortunetaly, this countries in for some huge damage. Even stupid people can see how they're being pushed around by companies that they themselves have paid for.
Don't vote libertarian, vote locally. And it's time to have a call for arms if this shit doesn't end soon. Good thing tyranny and kings ended when we broke off of England...
We now have confirmed reports from an informed Orange County minister that Ethel is still an active communist.
Funny how they don't sue ISP's that connect to illegal sites within north america. I hope the "offending" carriers sue for baratry ("The offense of persistently instigating lawsuits, typically groundless ones").
RIAA is just following the path of least resistance.
Next they will try to overthrow the Chinese government and install a pro-RIAA dictatorship, perhaps with the assistance of the heavily armed and well trained force known as "The Auditors".
Our crack dealer is powerful indeed.
You know, it's a damn good thing I don't live in or near Hollywood, because if so, I would be in prison right now. I would be killing every goddamned entertainment lawyer and executive I could get my sights on. This is insane. I agree with you 100%, DP. I am an employee of one of the defendants in this suit[1], and can guarantee you that we in no way endorse piracy. However, even your smallest ISP cannot inspect and control every packet that comes into it's network from the outside. Yes, you can, and probably should do this if you've got the office LAN hooked to the internet, but it becomes impossible whenever you are providing public transit. The RIAA are slimeballs, and this proves it. I oughta sue you for pissing me off so badly and so often with your garbage. Die, already, will you? Jesus Fucking Christ.
[1] Although, of course, I do not represent them on Slashdot....ever.
It seems like just about every other day on slashdot we can read a story about what unimaginable abyss the RIAA or another lobby has unveiled and wants to sink us into.
If noone stops them they will go on and in a few years we will wake end up with electronic skin implants flowing money to them for each and every of our actions (i'm half serious here).
Absolute capitalism is a form of absolutism, and no such thing is good for democracy. So what can we do about it you ask ? Most people feel that someone else must have started to act, and they don't need to engage themselves. This is not the case. You (i, everyone) must remember to our governments that they have been elected at the head of the country by the people, and that they must protect the interrests of the people above all, and not some greedy lobby.
The leaders of these lobbies are mentally ill (proof is plentyful but if you need one more look here : http://www.uncoveror.com/radio.htm ) and must be cured before it is too late.
That's right, just sue God for creating all these things that the RIAA dosen't want us to have or use.
After that, then sue the creator of God (to be on the safe side).
Sue the atheist too (make sure nothing falls through the cracks).
Who creates music? People like you and me. Who decides what music we should listen to? the RIAA and affiliates. Who should decide what music we should listen to? People like you and me. Maybe we should outlaw the radio and television and computers and telephones and printing presses and books and musical instruments and cd players and cds and tapes and satellites and cell phones ...because they can all be used to copy or transport information between...
YOU AND ME
Who are we to decide?
Woah woah woah... I've got uu.net at work and road runner at home and I'm getting the same thing everybody else in this thread reports. Are we sure this just isn't what you're supposed to be getting?
Blame Canada!
im on the University of Queensland's in house ISP and im being redirected, but the redirect is in spiritlink.net namespace somwhere.
The RIAA is really something. I so tired of hearing about them. Its always the RIAA doing something to somebody. They are like a spoiled rotten winney little six year old kid who throws a tempertantrum every time someone is doing something that isn't helping them make more money. I know if they keep it up, they will get some judge in one of their thousands of battles, that feels the same way. I hope they will hold them in contempt before they even get a chance to say anything. Maybe there is some congressman or senator who will use them an example for some kind of campain to gain support for himself by attacking the RIAA. I hope that happens. (they got my vote) It would be really nice to see them getting in trouble and get posted as the bad guys (as we all know they are but a little goverment backing would be nice). I hope they get a sanction by some judge to just STFU. Its time to spank the spoiled rotten baby for wineing to much because I'm getting a headach just listening to it.
No.
Nice to know that the RIAA has given Listen4Ever.com lots of free publicity. And you know what they say about publicity right? I should hope so. If not, just wait for someone to reply with the answer and get modded 5, Informative. ;)
Hard work usually pays off over time, but procrastination pays off now.
Up here in Canada, AT&T is redirecting listen4ever.com to some lame site. To fix this problem, I recommend that everyone takes the time to contact the staff at their favorite ISP and ask them to investigate why they aren't being routed correctly.
: listen4ever.com/tapeview.asp%3Ftapeid%3D2123+%22li sten4ever.%2Bcom%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8) you will see that the information sent to the user (me) differs from what non AT&T customers see.
To Mr. AT&T,
In recent days I have noticed inconsistencies in your routing of certain domain names. As a paying customer, I feel that the service level I have come to expect from you has been diminished. Could you please investigate why this domain (http://www.listen4ever.com) is not being routed correctly. If you compare it to the site in Google's cache (http://www.google.ca/search?q=cache:1gGgIJXQZwkC
The routing errors discovered here makes me question the reliability of your service in regards to domain names such as yahoo.com, slashdot.com, and even your own, rogers.ca.
Thank you for your time,
Simple, now everyone do it and let the battle between customer and ISP begin.
Tournament Management Online &
A couple hours ago, when I went to http://www.listen4ever.com/ I got redirected to http://www.lmp3.net/. Now, I get redirected to http://www.mp3mediaworld.com/. Seems like somebody's trying to shift the blame around by redirecting to other sites.
How about suing the ISP for breach of contract in not correctly routing requests...
Up here in Canada, we are being cluster-fcked by you Yankees... Poor me being on the AT&T backbone, this sucks...
Hey RIAA... Go to hell...
Tournament Management Online &
So I did a whois on riaa.com:
Registrant:
RIAA (RIAA-DOM)
1330 Connecticut Ave., NW #300
Washington, DC 20036
US
Domain Name: RIAA.COM
Administrative Contact:
McCaffrey, Howard (HM66) hmccaffrey@RIAA.COM
Recording Industry Association of America, Inc.
1330 Connecticut Ave., NW Suite 300
Washington, DC 20036
202-857-9618 (FAX) 202-775-7253
Technical Contact:
Global Network Management Center (GNMC) rm-hostmaster@EMS.ATT.COM
AT&T DNS Service
3324 Hollenberg
Bridgeton, MO 63044
USA
314-264-9672
Fax- 314-264-9647
Technical Contact: AT&T DNS Service. Now, let's look at the defendants again. I hope nothing terrible happens to AT&T's pipe that would prevent RIAA's site from being accessed. Would be a terrible coincidence.
You wanna run in LA? Damn, good luck. From everything I've heard, the state is knee-deep in corruption at every level of government.
But on a more direct note, I've thought recently about running for office, too, when I reach the appropriate age. Only way to make a difference.
Also, I heard a story about how someone got elected on the cheap, in Pennsylvania I think. It turns out this kid didn't have a great deal of money, so he couldn't run your typical campaign. He did, however , have a great deal of time.
Now of course, who you vote for at the polls is secret, and rightfully so. It is, however, a matter of record that you did vote. So this guy (I really wish I had a link) looked up all the voters in the county records who voted in every election for the past several years. He figured that these "super-voters" where very interested in politics, and probably very influencial among their family and friends. So he called up every one of these voters and spoke with them, and convinced a vast majority of them to vote for him. It turns out these people where very influential, and he won the election in a landslide against an incumbent, even though his media campaign was practically non-existant.
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms should be the name of a store, not a government agency.
Actually it's the fault of the governed. Everyone who has spent money on an RIAA member product. Everyone who has voted for a political candidate unfit for office. Everyone who didn't participate in government(voting,letting reps know). Everyone who said that "what's yours is mine". Everyone who's action or inaction contributed to the slide of the country formally know as America.
imagine if the RIAA somehow won a suit against every ISP in the U.S., and then the ISPs refused to obey the ruling and didn't block the site. So the courts shut down all of the ISPs in America. The RIAA would look really stupid then.
rm -rf sig
it seems ATT broadband is redirecting well at least in my area...
disapointed. i hope they win over RIAA. greedy bastards...
Use the spatula, Luke
This site is strange, every time I connect to it with a different machine, I'm redirected to a different site. My (linux) PC sent me to www.lmp3.net, my (windows) laptop went to www.listen4ever.com and my home (windows) machine went to www.mp3mediaworld.com. Maybe this is why they are having trouble tracking the thing down!
Milo from Kangaroo Koncepts
I love it. China is a bad, nasty, totalitarian country, because, well, they block their own population's access to web sites!
How awful! How totaliatarian!
And here we have an actual case of ISP's re-routing traffic, to censor access to web sites.. IN CHINA!
How... all-American!
Any lawyers know, Can we counter SUE with the telcos, for trying to censor the Inet access I pay for? Get a couple million people to sign up. Hell, lets find some small town, where the Judge is a card carrying EFF member. :)
If its all legal battles, why cant we fight back? Why are we so powerless? Why cant we win?
-
I regret to say that we of the F.B.I. are powerless to act in cases of oral-genital intimacy, unless it has in some way obstructed interstate commerce. - J. Edgar Hoover
Rather than complaining, there are a number of things you can actually do about RIAA.
The number one thing you can do is to get them legally disbanded (discorporated).
The Government Giveth... The Government Can Damn Well Taketh Away.
The Recording Industry Association of America is a California Corporation, corporate number C1858372.
Contact CAlifornia Secretary of State Bill Jones, and request that their incorporation as a legal entity be terminated. Contact information follows...
Mail or in person:
California Secretary of State
1500 11th Street
Sacramento, California 95814
Public Contact Phone Numbers:
General Information - (916) 653-6814
Corporations Unit & Branch Offices - (916) 657-5448
Executive Office - (916) 653-7244
Legislative & Constituent Services - (916) 653-6774
Political Reform Division - (916) 653-6224
Email:
ConstituentAffairs@ss.ca.gov
PS: For good measure:
- Governor Gray Davis
- State Capitol Building
- Sacramento, CA 95814
- Phone: 916-445-2841
- Fax: 916-445-4633
- governor@governor.ca.gov
-- Terry
(FWIW, I redirect too, using Rogers HiSpeed)
I use Macs to up my productivity, so up yours Microsoft!
RIAA Requests Subpeona to dig up graves of Thomas Edison, Nikolai Tesla, and Benjamin Franklin. They are to testify in the case of RIAA vs God, Almighty, The.
-- Note: If you don't agree with me, don't bother replying. I won't read it.
RIAA MPAA MLA CIA FBI CNN TNN TNT and other horseshit life will go on the place has mediocere selection and a crumb UI they should loose on GP; bad UI.
Dude, you didn't already have SM4SP? Man, you're lame ;--)
The only reference I could find to "Recording Revenue Collection Act" was at uncoveror.
The record labels pay independent promoters lots of money per song to get on the radio which then goes in part to radio stations, far more than they could possibly collect from end users. Why? Because most people find out about music they buy from FM radio.
They discourage people from listening to FM, they've broken their business model.
Yes, the idea you describe is insane. If Hollings introduced such a thing, RIAA would unplug its campaign support immediately.
If Hilary Rosen took an idea into her head to get Hollings to write anything like that, her employers would not only consider her insane, they'd probably do their best to get her locked up in a booby hatch.
I should have checked the site first. Here ar a set of stories on their front page.
MAFIA TO OFFER PRE-PAID ILLEGAL SERVICES
MICROSOFT DEVELOPING WINDOWS BSD
NEW DAWN BIOTECH ADMITS THAT CHICK'N IS REAL
OSAMA BIN LADEN MAY ATTACK FROM SPACE
THE UNCOVEROR IS AN ONION-STYLE HUMOR SITE, YOU IDIOT!
Tech Public Policy stuff
RIAA makes MS look like a Nice Guy
> And what are the best legal methods for kicking the RIAA where it hurts?
I understand that the American constitution allows you to be members of armed militias to prevent government becoming overly dominant.
What you seem to have is a weak government, with corporations taking over its functions. It would seem logical therefore to apply constitutional principles to what is the effective government of your country.
is block the RIAA and member coropartion sites. Now THAT would be justice.
"The Wright brothers were the first to fly with a heavier-than-air machine, but boy did they have a lousy plane"
Could you please call the lawyers of the MPAA and inform them of your brilliant plan. I need to find some new sites to download DVD rips from. Oh, and can you also contact the Software Publishers Association? I can't get all the files for the CD images for GTA3.
No boom today. Boom tomorrow. There's always a boom tomorrow. - Cmdr. Susan Ivanova
Evil bastards. I hope they all rot in hell. Next the MP3 police will be kicking your door in for downloading B. Spears and they will seize your PC for having P2P software on it. Yeah, what a wonderful world we live in. Time for a little KAOS.. http://tinyurl.com/11uz
...is (I think): "Remaining Intelligence Abruptly Atrophied."
/. creativity! ;-)
Or perhaps "Real Idiots After Angst?"
How about "Robots Inventing Angular Alternators?"
C'mon... I'm not the only one who can think these up. Let's see some of that
Bruce Lane, KC7GR,
Blue Feather Technologies
I'm on AT&T Broadband Internet in western PA, and attempting to access the Listen4Ever website gives me a "Site Not Found: No web site is configured at this address" with Mozilla 1.0, and a standard "404 Not Found" with IE6.
Anyone have any more info about this?
People will pass up steak once a week, for crap every day.
Just curious why you chose your sig? I know the reference but I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
Not sure if it would happen or not, but, what if the RIAA pissed off these giants of the internet to the point that they start blocking ALL of the sites associated with the RIAA? BMG, Universal, Sony?
ALL your sites, they belong to us!!
Now that would be Justice/comedy!! >:-D
Your actions in life will determine your children's future.
What a horrible, horrible thing to miss. And I missed it. Oh well, these things happen when you're in a hurry ... My bad. Kourino--
So it looks like they DON'T have that nice safe-harbour clause in this case. Good catch.
Seriously, wtf?
"Listen4ever has clearly located itself in China to avoid the ambit of United States copyright law," the suit said.
"Yeah, and guess what, that works" the State Department said.
they admitted 'We can't get the people who are really responsible, so we're going after innocent people'
-- 'The' Lord and Master Bitman On High, Master Of All
Can we hit the RIAA where it hurts ? How many slashdot members are there ? Would a total boycott of all RIAA member's products for say a month be noticed ? If so, I say go for it. Then when they complain about falling sales, we can say that's because the record companies spend most of their time calling their customers thieves and acting like fascist assholes.
This suit is kind of like the RIAA saying: "Please boycott listen4ever.com. Oh you won't? See you in court, then."
So if this goes through, is it all right for people in USA to walk on the streets gathering names for some petition and sue all the people who don't sign it?
The whole republican/democrat drama is just to make the simple people think they get to participate in the political process.
/stupid/. And the ones that are smart
And you are simple people. The political newsgroups and political irc chatrooms contain more outright imbiciles than I've seen anywhere
else on the internet. I mean you people are fucking
enough to type coherent sentences are invariably crazier than shithouse rats.
*spit*
Leave the internet and take your innane democrat/republican worship babble to where it belongs, in front of the television during WWF commercial breaks.
who's gonna be the first admin to block www.riaa.com ?
www.freemusic.cz(free as in free beer)
free.superhits.ch(free as in free speach)
www.mp3-prod.org/(both free speach and beer)
there are many more similar sites, just look for "free music" with your favorite search engine.
freespeech.com ?
Seems to me that they misspelled "armpit."
I was listening to the Radio the other day. Afterwards I just couldn't get that song out of my head. I forget who I was talking to but someone must have overheard. They sicked the RIAA on my ass. Well now what do I do? I got the papers and they say, "You illegally copied the song...ok?" Will I go to jail? I don't know, but remember what I say. "Don't hum that song you just heard...that is not ok".
If the RIAA will suceed, perhaps they will try to block a few common known ports like 4662 for edonkey or 1214 for kazaa. Why shouldnt they try to block that next? "You know, my son, in the beginning of the internet you could surf to every page you wanted..." "Really??"
[I didn't see this mentioned before, apologies if the comment is essentially a repost.]
This isn't about record sales. If you look at the numbers and follow the surveys, you'll see that people are actually still buying the music that they like.
It is about WHOSE records get sold. For a long time the RIAA has maintained control over the means of distribution, and promotion.
Think of this as FM radio to AM radio - a new medium is invented. Suddenly the old way of making money is threatened, and something has to be done to ensure employment.
These people make lots of money, not because of the work they do, but because they got into good positions. The new method of distribution threatens this. Remember that they are the Recording _Industry_ Association of America - not the Recording _Artists_ Association of America.
This has gotten so absurd, because these people are now fighting to keep their jobs. It's the same thing any of us would do if we were comfortably making millions.
The typical ISP would like the spam problem to go away just as much as the typical user. For instance, the load on the e-mail servers, pushing around thousands of unread and unwanted email is a drain on storage space, bandwidth and electrons.
Since an ISP uses more of all of these than you do, they would benefit from having a good way to kill spam.
My father is a blogger.
It ain't funny, no matter what point of view.
It's very sad indeed.
I think RIAA is not so mad to apply to the powers
that be there. They realize pretty well that not
every country in the world is Iraque or Afganistan.
China got five times more population than US.
quite a few nuclear missles and so, and some national honour too.
I think RIAA and US goverment would be afraid
of creating another sort of precedent - some powerful country saying "Go away with your stupid
laws, you are not an only force in this world"
It is far safer to them to treat American companies which they have much more ways to press on.
The KING
This have been tried in Russia, and still is tried
in China but it doesn't help a country's economy.
America grew rich and powerful just becouse it has
1st and 5th ammendments. If Americans would voluntary give up them, America would quickly loose.
Imagine B-1s brought down by exploiting some security hole in their cryptographic software, just
becouse this hole was forbidden to be openly discussed and wasn't fixed in time.
"The suit states that despite Listen4ever's connections to China, the site uses a U.S. domain name, is written entirely in English, appears to target an American audience by focusing on U.S. works and does not appear to feature Chinese music."
point 1. The
point 2. "is written entirely in English" - ha ha! I love this one. Ok, firstly, there are other countries in the world that speak english: THE USA WAS NOT THE FIRST!! But secondly, and more importantly, THE USA does not speak english. It speaks a hybrid language, as your American dictionaries will confirm, that spell words like tonight "tonite", colour "color", and...la creme de la creme, favourite "favorite" (just press ctrl-A on any MS browser). IF you check this google cache (http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache:1gGgIJXQZwk
"You know you don't act like a scientist, you're more like a game show host." Dana Barret
"First up against the wall when the revolution comes" sounds so much more important than "Oh well, we'll get to you once we've dealt with the dangerous people." :)
deus does not exist but if he does
nt
Wherever will I download "Songs of Ocarina" and soundtrack to "Legends of the Fall" if they shut off access to this great site!!!!!
Here. Of course, you'll need a postal network address, a modem for the connection medium, and some client software.
Will I retire or break 10K?
Sorry RIAA: I don't think you can win this way. What a shame, eh?
Anyway, as of Saturday, Aug. 17, 2002 at 08:35 EDT (12:35 UTC/GMT) I'm getting a "Site Not Found" error from http://listen4ever.com and the page displays "No web site is configured at this address." . Apparently somebody took this seriously?
The IP address to which the site resolves is ChinaNet space. Transit, for me, is via Level 3, to pnap.net, then directly into cn.net (ChinaNet) space. A traceroute "dies" somewhere in cn.net space, so it's not being blocked by any ISPs here in the U.S. side. Conclusion: I can only guess that cn.net took action.
Idle speculation...
China has earned a notorious reputation for its ISPs "aiding and abetting" spammers--if by inaction as much as anything else. It has become so bad, so many individuals, companies and even ISPs have taken to blocking China ISPs' space routinely, that it's attracted the attention of the Chinese press and government. Chinese ISPs have actually started taking action against spammers, here-and-there. (They're still a major, and relatively unresponsive, problem. But there is beginning to show at least some small signs of intelligence.) I would not be surprised to find that, as a consequence of the <spit> RIAA filing suit, ChinaNet sat up and took notice, and decided it would be a good idea to make this potential problem simply go away.
Then again, maybe the server folded under the SlashDot Effect? ;). Maybe the SDE (just made that up) caused them to exceed their bandwidth cap? Maybe we'll find out some day. Maybe not.
To the RIAA...
As for me: I don't think I've purchased more than one CD since you started your campaign of terrorism. (Temporary memory lapse. Really.) I have no plans to buy any in the foreseeable future, despite the fact there are a few I'd dearly like to have. (No, I don't download 'em over the 'net, either. Never have.) You see, RIAA, I don't like you. I really, honestly, truly do not like you. Since I go by the maxim "you're known by the company you keep," I likewise have no use for any company (e.g.: record label) or individual (e.g.: artist) that associates with you. This latest action has only reinforced that. I get real twitchy when someone messes with my connectivity. There are companies I've been boycotting for over 20 years because they engaged in practices I found odious. Welcome to my personal blacklist.
http://listen4ever.com now contains:
<html><head><title>Site Not Found</title></head>
<body>No web site is configured at this address.</body></html>
See what you've done?!
Hmm, actually I think someone that didn't want it gave it to me, go figure. Maybe that's where I heard it.
What?
Look,
We don't like this. So let's put our money where our mouths are. Stop buying from them, and stop buying from their sponsors. Stop listening to the radio stations that broadcast their crap, and encourage others to do the same. This kind of shit has to stop.
Yes, what I'm saying is boycott the music industry.
I don't listen to the radio anymore (pop music sucks anyway). I go and watch local bands in bars, and buy their CDs from them. It's good stuff too. You can always find someone in your area doing good stuff.
Also, there are tons of independent record labels. They also have good music. Buy from them.
Anyway,
That's my two cents.
Later.
-Craig
Just after reading the article on yahoo I sent a letter to the address found on sonymusic.com.
r y&ncid= 582&e=2&cid=582&u=/nm/20020r ight_dc_4) about the recent action of RIAA against ISPs
If anyone knows of more addresses of sony, please post them in a reply. thanks.
The letter:
Hi,
I read a news story today
(http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=sto
816/wr_nm/media_copy
for not censoring the web. I find it a very dim move on the side of RIAA and
would like to let you, a member of RIAA, know of why things happen as they
do today and why your record sales plummet.
1. I am not buying any CDs from a RIAA label, for over 2 years now. You guys
suck and the music you make is awful. Continuing making stupid moves like the
one above is definitely not going to change my attitude. So many other people
feel, and if you continue ignoring your customers you will end up a dead
company.
2. I am not buying any of SONY hardware, which happens to be very nice
hardware by the way. I made this commitment because I do not want to support
corporations that think the majority of their customers are evil puny thieves. I
am sure many more people feel this way. I had a few choices over the last few
years when buying portable cd-roms and cd drives for my computers and my friends
and I first made sure I did not buy SONY and also told all my friends not to buy
SONY hardware either. There are plenty of hardware manufacturers out there.
So would you listen to some good advice. Continuing to be part of this cartel of
thugs (RIAA) is a shame for you and I urge you to get out of it while you have
not been totally discredited as a company. Overpricing a bad product (poor
content music CDs), calling your customers thieves, attempting to destroy the
Internet by imposing ridiculous censorship, lobbying ridiculous laws that stifle
the freedom of people is not something people are taking lightly. Sometime in
the future, when you see 'FUCK RIAA' posters on the streets, think about your
business model. Think about why people dislike your company.
Why not get off this sinking ship NOW?
Sincerely,
Alexandru Botezatu,
Sotfware engineer,
Europe.
We pay spammers to send thousands of spam messages to everyone about how to get free music and list some sites. Then the RIAA shuts down all the major spammers. :)
Okay, I'm a little late to this discussion, but I've got a question.
A number of +5 posts have stated that the Telcos are not going to roll over for the ??AA, that they are 6,000 pound gorillas, that they can't afford for this precedent to be set, and so on. On the other hand, using my AT&T broadband connection to visit listen4ever, I receive this:
"No web site is configured at this address."
Other posters have confirmed that other carriers are doing something similar.
So what gives? Looks to me like they've already rolled over. Honestly, I don't see how these two things jive.
----
http://roio.stradlin.com no banners, popups, or any of that sort of stuff. just 9 gigs of mp3's.
Seriously though, not every mp3 is subject to the RIAA.
sue the state for the road that leads to that place where you can get those illegal goods?
Or isn't that a similar thing?
ahwell, if you can sue Burger King for the fact
that you've grown fat.. I shouldn't be surprised.
They don't care if this is a legitimate lawsuit.
By merely naming the website in the lawsuit surely hundreds of ISPs will block it for fear of being next.
Unfortunately, what they didn't count on was a bunch of Slashdotters bookmarking the site.
...and the RIAA has attempted to legislate them out of business, too.
Somone has got to stop this insanity before we cant even breathe with out being sued..
Its only getting worse and more common...
RIAA is the worst, but not the only..
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Ok. Lets say the pinko bastards at the RIAA win.
Now were adding an ACL for this site to the routers. This of course puts load on the cpu, uses memory, and slows down packet traffic. Core routers doesnt usually have ACLs for just that reason.
So ones not so bad. 5 or 10 on a large router isnt so bad. 20 starts to hit the speed. 100 and the router gets congested.
Technically if this is won, and the precendence is there. The Internet is over. Not that it isnt getting there on its own.
--- Always remember. 99.36% of all statistics are inaccurate.
So, RIAA is suing ISP's who don't block listen4ever.com? I didn't know i could leech mp3 over there. Thanks for the tip, RIAA!
:-D
Let the pirating begin!
The true victim if the lawsuit is allowed to proceed is not just people shaing music or video, but all ISPs. Currently, ISPs cannot be help responsible for what users do theough a network. This suit is trying to change that. If it does the ISPs will run scared and are liable to censor anything that may get them in trouble, inevitably restricting legit uses. This is not to say I believe that sharing copyrighted material is legit, IT IS NOT. It is thievery. Jus thatthe remedy has far more wide ranging dangers.
Why doesn't listen4ever.com just keep moving to a new domain?
I can't ping it, hit it, finger it (gross!) tracert to it, nada zip and zilch.
America the free, so long as you don't do anything that could possibly offend someone else.
-=[ Who Is John Galt? ]=-
What's next? Is the RIAA going to sue Cisco because their border routers support BGP? Cisco devices carry the packets involved in nearly all internet file sharing services. Is the RIAA going to come after them for not filtering the contents of those packets as they make their way from hop to hop?
Sheesh.
Dave Haas
Chief Operating Officer
PopCap Games
Really, do you think that there's any legal basis for the government of California to revoke the incorporation status of the RIAA? Even if there was some basis (and it would be weak on a good day), do you think that the elected government of California would have the political will to disband one of the most influential and significant business entities in the state? This would be paramount to the state of Texas doing the same for the oil business, New York state killing off NASD, and so on.
Sorry, but this is about as ignorant and ineffective as anything possibly could be. You might actually get farther writing the military and asking them not to kill people.
but I can't access the thing at all.
A traceroute of the connection shows that "p-3-0-r1-a-tjtj-1.cn.net" [202.97.38.98] is the last connection that works...after said point, everything's dead.
I imagine they're a 2nd-tier backbone provider because of my trace, it goes Alternet > CN.net.
Not good...or maybe they're just bogged down.
before the big backbone providers start blocking 208.225.90.120.
Someone you trust is one of us.
RIAA/SWAT team
had to revise the link, geoshitties doesn't like what I was trying to do.
Try this one out..
RIAA/SWAT team
That's Lhasa (= lasa) in Tibet (= xizang)!
Really interesting to see where this is run.
And a very interesting side note on the whole "US censors Chinese sites" issue.
There is absolutely no reason to panic.
I think a lot has gone on behind the scenes before this lawsuit was filed. For example, I cannpt access this site. So definitely some ISPs have complied with the demands of the RIAA and those that are sued have been stuborn. I hope they stay stuborn and fight this insanity until 'one man stands'
"Fighting terrorists with millitary might is like killing a mosquitor on your Dad's forehead with a rifle."
Well, it is down now:
:) Slashdot, the new RIAA weapon in the fight against piracy.
"No web site is configured at this address."
Hmm.. new RIAA ploy. If we can't take them down, mail a "news story" to slashdot and have them slashdotted.
If the RIAA is for it, I'm again' it.
It they thing a lawsuit is good for them, then I hope they loose.
In the last year I can't think of a single thing they tried that was to my benefit, and most were at least tangentially damaging. So I just hope they go bankrupt quickly. I'm not really interested about whether or not they might be in the right "this time". They are so frequently in the wrong, that I assume that they are again (though I will admit I notice that this time I'm not as certain as sometimes).
If they pick me for the jury, they're going to need to dig to get reasons to knock me out (though I bet they'd just spend a preemptory challenge). I wouldn't actually lie, but I sure wouldn't volunteer any reason. And I feel that I would be deciding on the evidence. Past actions are a reasonable guide to future actions, and definitely color the estimated motives for known current actions.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
I tried to connect and got this error "No web site is configured at this address." Putting any conspiracy theories behind, It could be that the site suffered the dreaded ./ effect and had to do something to save bandwidth. I also think that their hosting of full albums made it a lot easier.
I am beginning to wonder if this is a new trend for the **AA's. They try the legal routs first, then put up news coverage of a site that they can't touch. Then have the sights bandwidth get eaten due to the publicity, forcing the site to shut down or move. I wouldn't also be surprised if their Overpeer service or who ever the employ to harass p2p also DOSed the site while this was happening.
I tried to access that site and got a sort of "can't access site" message, which I often get. I guess everybody is trying to check it out and keeping it busy. This is a bit off-topic, I know, but if the pop-ups annoy you, just download PopupStopper. It's free and works great!
2. Business Model: If ONE artist goes platinum without the help of an RIAA label and announces $5-10M in profits, their business model crashes, their mainstream artists will be bailing. Perhaps we can accelerate this process. The linked post also explains why piracy is a red herring, a non-issue which is core to the RIAA disinformation campaign.
Tech Public Policy stuff
Female Prison Rape in NY
Does this mean the right-winged extremist censors can sue the post office or other "mail carriers" for delivering something like an issue of Playboy.... I think the reasoning on the RIAA is "If you can block the material, block its transportation..." Anyway, I hope to see this get thrown right back at them. This only proves how desperate they're getting, with the recent study on the decline in cd-sales, the RETROACTIVE royalites for webcasters, and now this.... Give me a break... Give me the music i want to hear, at a price i can AFFORD, and maybe, just maybe I'll buy more cd's than the 2-4 every 6 months. And that study is right... I can buy two cd's for ~ $30-40, or i can buy something like warcraft III which i know a year from now I'll still be listening to. And finally... yes the consumer is smarter... we now know how much a cd costs... most times $0.10 for a single cd in a bulk package... That's due to the popularity of burners... So let's see here... Avg. cd costs $17, so that means I'm paying $16.90 for the music, but the musicians say they're not seeing enough of the $$$, so where is the money really going?
Insert Sig Here
Great idea - all you need is campaign funding! Off the record, I know these two organizations that DESPERATELY needs a(nother) congressman. You could probably persuade them to give huge donations, in return for helping to make laws more ... managable ... to them. They're called the RIAA and the MPAA, and you can contact them by cal....
Oh wait...
Black holes are where God divided by zero
I'm on msn, i cant get to the site...it gives me a 403 forbidden message.
Have isp's already blocked it...are they deciding for me what sites I can or cannot see?
It isn't about piracy or whether or not I am downloading music. I can't see the website period,and if following a link in a website or through an isp is illegal then why did yahoo news link to the site through thier newstory yesterday?
Why stop there - sue the gov't for funding creation of the internet, the telco's and cable companies and local ISP's, computer makers, all the individuals the work for ISP's, credit card makers that allow people to pay for internet service... They all play the same part the bandwidth providers do - they make the internet possible, and provided transport of the data in some means. What a total crock of shit.
Can this same trick be used by the consumers of ISP's to block all spam? Lets say that we sue our backbones for allowing unsolicited spam onto our access lines. We can claim that WE are losing $$$ due to to loss of bandwidth (which we are leasing from them) and ultimately time. Could we censor all this ad crap ala "RIAA vs the free universe"? Would the ISP's be liable for refunding "stolen" bandwidth and time? What damages can we claim for our undue mental anguish as we furiously try to extricate persistent pop-up ads? If the industry is going to censor everthing questionable in sight, lets turn tables and censor them.
Perhaps, I will construct my own website, copyright it, bashing the **AA's, and publishing "questionable" content, and sue ISP's for allowing RIAA to access MY site.
An eye for an eye?
For unspecified anti-American activities.
Please report to your nearest PATRIOT/TIPS processing center immediately.
Happy Fun Ball is for external use only.
It seems to me that Franklin would be unlikely to have uttered such a statement.
First, he was not so sure of the divinity of Christ, so he would not have urged people to "believe or go to hell". He _did_ think that Christ's message of peace was worth adopting, but that it had been corrupted by other people thru the ages.
Second, he participated in the framing of the Constitution quite late in life. I don't see how he could have lived long enough to see it ignored or trampled to the point where he would make such a bitter statement.
Do you actually have some link to a source for that quote?
Big stakes fighting huh? I've got an idea for em. You may not be able to do this over in the USA, but in Australia we have a legal concept where you can get someone suing you declared a "Vexatious Littigant". Basically if a littigant has a history of launching huge amounts of fucked up lawsuits, one can get them declared a vexatious littigant ("habitually suing asshole") to strangle off all the stupid lawsuits and wasting good court time
Imagine if RIAA and the move guys where declared vexatious. That'd hose em sommething bad.
But again, IANAL, so it's just a guess.
Excuse the Unicode crap in my posts. That's an apostrophe, and slashdot is busted.
Of all the nasty things MS has done, they have never pushed for laws to make people buy their products
Hmmm... SSSCA and their patent on a DRM OS?
They probably haven't been as blatant about it as the RIAA - MS knows sneaky, because they've been practicing it for years. The RIAA is a petulant child by comparison.
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Perhaps, someone could explain to me how a company defending its own works from being distributed unlawfully thru networks located in this country is wrong. The internet is controlled by these companies and they also have a responsibility to look after what traverses them. It is the fault of these companies I feel and not even the user downloading the music from these sites. I hope the RIAA wins. I also hope that some people here understand that just because they do not like a particular organization it gives them the right to do these sorts of things to them. You are no better then they are. Have some integrity!
how will they get paid, after all the parent company is bankrupt :)
:P
so, the RIAA will never see a dime from MCI.
just my 2 cents, also