It wasn't that hard for Microsoft to catch up with Apple.
They simply had to keep moving, while Apple started and killed a handful of operating systems and various other projects. Pissing away resources like nobody else would dare.
Your history is a little bit skewed. Palm didn't 'snap up' Graffiti. The people who produced Graffiti and licensed it to the Netwon formed the company that developed the Palm. One interpretation would be that they jumped off a sinking ship and have done well on their own.
And BTW, people don't buy PDAs to watch video clips or host webservers, they buy them to manage their time and tasks,
Ummm, you're right. But apparently someone here, as described in the article, is connecting ATA drives to their Newton.
One doesn't need an ATA storage device to 'manage one's time and tasks.' Obviously people are doing something more with their Newtons.
I telnetted into a Windows NT machine in the lab at work with my Visor last week. Because it was cool to do, but also because it's useful to be able to watch log files from anywhere I can find a phone jack. Again, that isn't what the developers of PalmOS expected me to be doing.
I'd extend your analogy somewhat. A Newton is like a Mercedes Benz. A Palm is like a jeep. And there are lots of cases where I'd rather have the jeep. The difference in battery life alone outright kills the Netwon for many tasks.
I would love for Dreamcast to die, if it meant that everybody discarded all those nice boxes. There's a port of NetBSD to Dreamcast and if there were tons of Dreamcast boxes available for cheap in salvage outfits it would amount to hardware heaven.
(however, I don't like or dislike Dreamcast as a gaming platform, so please don't take this as an attack on a gaming platform that I know my nephew likes very much)
I view the way this topic has been put on/. by Rob Malda as sort of a cynical move. Everybody knows that Malda and his crew are killing what/. once was. To try to latch on and claim equivalence to the 'is Linus killing Linux' topic is cynical and deceptive. They're two entirely separate issues.
Of course Malda is killing Slashdot.
Certainly Linus is not killing Linux.
Kind of a clever way of putting the issue out before us, though.
Yeah, but the 'Industial Workers of the World' (IWW) are socialist nut-cases. I'm not talking 'creeping socialism' here. I'm talking about the dirty hippies at the protest wearing a 'wobblies' t-shirt.
I seriously question what a Tucows section on BSD would provide in the first place.
For anything that's really good in BSD there are ports sections on the main sites for each of the three OSes. A 'Tucows' type of site is only needed to pull together an OS community that is a 'forest of forks' so to speak. i.e. Win32, MacOS, and Linux, where there's so much out there that people need a site like Tucows to focus their needs.
I try to think of a reason why I would ever go to the Tucows site for anything BSD related and I can't. (and since I've now archived the entire PalmOS section, and there are plenty of better sites for Windows stuff, I can't think of a reason I would ever go there at all)
Youths in IRC channels do not an Operating System make.
I suspect there are plenty of solid FreeBSD developers who don't spend their life in IRC who are part of what makes it a strong well designed Operating System.
What's wrong with staying with something that's solid and doesn't need to be changed (3 year old externals)?
I think that Tucows itself is the 'flash in the pan' (it's pretty pictures and not a heck lot more) and will be gone long before BSD.
Let's face it: shrill fanboys wreck more than they produce.
Sadly, to many people involved in this discussion, 'Music' seems to be electrical impulses fed through transducers. A totally passive process.
Musicians call this 'the reproduction of recorded music' and it's not what Mutopia is really about.
Making music involves sitting down at the piano, or resting the guitar across your lap and strumming it, or even just singing or whistling a tune in your head.
Actually, these days I mostly listen to music that's at least 300 years old. Midieval, Renaissance, some Gregorian chants. Usually nothing newer than Bach.
70 years old is way too new, and hasn't stood the test of time.
But I should confess I like some new stuff too. I have a number of Terry Riley albums and some John Cage, too.
There are not two poles (Microsoft and Linux) in the universe.
To be honest, in some spheres of computing, Linux is completely irrelevant and in other spheres of computing Microsoft is completely irrelevant. They are not balanced equals.
Depending on your point of view, that amounts to either putting Microsoft or Linux up on a pedestal. I don't think either deserves that spot.
There are better OSes for many computing tasks than either of those choices.
What makes you think the application server would be outside the company's firewall? The.NET server for any well administered company would be a local server. You seriously think companies are going to use an application server that delivers apps from out across the public internet to hundreds of employees desks??
I have a passive backplane 386 processor card somewhere in all my old junk. It has integrated I/O and drive controllers. I used to use it plugged into a two slot backplane. I believe I ran Slackware (probably kernel 1.2.13...) on it for a time. It was awhile ago...
I've long wanted a computer in which the processor / motherboard/memory were as easily removed and replaced as a hard drive, this sounds quite close to that ideal.
You're ready to upgrade to an S-100 bus machine, then.
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It wasn't that hard for Microsoft to catch up with Apple.
They simply had to keep moving, while Apple started and killed a handful of operating systems and various other projects. Pissing away resources like nobody else would dare.
In a sense, it's a tortoise/hare kind of story.
Your history is a little bit skewed. Palm didn't 'snap up' Graffiti. The people who produced Graffiti and licensed it to the Netwon formed the company that developed the Palm. One interpretation would be that they jumped off a sinking ship and have done well on their own.
Now they're over at Handspring, btw.
I still own a few tubes of Z-80 chips.
And two Synertek SYM-1 singleboards.
And two Tandy Model 100's.
Not sure which trumps which, but the insurance and storage costs on the 911 are definitely higher.
And BTW, people don't buy PDAs to watch video clips or host webservers, they buy them to manage their time and tasks,
Ummm, you're right. But apparently someone here, as described in the article, is connecting ATA drives to their Newton.
One doesn't need an ATA storage device to 'manage one's time and tasks.' Obviously people are doing something more with their Newtons.
I telnetted into a Windows NT machine in the lab at work with my Visor last week. Because it was cool to do, but also because it's useful to be able to watch log files from anywhere I can find a phone jack. Again, that isn't what the developers of PalmOS expected me to be doing.
I'd extend your analogy somewhat. A Newton is like a Mercedes Benz. A Palm is like a jeep. And there are lots of cases where I'd rather have the jeep. The difference in battery life alone outright kills the Netwon for many tasks.
A body of forked code (let's call it Babylon, shall we?) cam merge together? On it's own?
Yeah, and cats can be herded.
I would love for Dreamcast to die, if it meant that everybody discarded all those nice boxes. There's a port of NetBSD to Dreamcast and if there were tons of Dreamcast boxes available for cheap in salvage outfits it would amount to hardware heaven.
(however, I don't like or dislike Dreamcast as a gaming platform, so please don't take this as an attack on a gaming platform that I know my nephew likes very much)
I view the way this topic has been put on /. by Rob Malda as sort of a cynical move. Everybody knows that Malda and his crew are killing what /. once was. To try to latch on and claim equivalence to the 'is Linus killing Linux' topic is cynical and deceptive. They're two entirely separate issues.
Of course Malda is killing Slashdot.
Certainly Linus is not killing Linux.
Kind of a clever way of putting the issue out before us, though.
Naw.
Asses are yoked into teams to pull a load together. Like the 'group' mentioned above.
The windshield in your car out in the parking lot would be broken out.
It's clearly documented. It happens all the time. It's the Union way.
Yeah, but the 'Industial Workers of the World' (IWW) are socialist nut-cases. I'm not talking 'creeping socialism' here. I'm talking about the dirty hippies at the protest wearing a 'wobblies' t-shirt.
1. Any group has more power acting cohesively.
I'm not a 'group', dude.
Frankly, I steer clear of people like you who want to harness me onto a team.
I have more power that way.
Actually, my skill in the workplace is what lets me ask for a raise and not get fired.
I don't need somebody else to ask for me. Thanks anyway.
I seriously question what a Tucows section on BSD would provide in the first place.
For anything that's really good in BSD there are ports sections on the main sites for each of the three OSes. A 'Tucows' type of site is only needed to pull together an OS community that is a 'forest of forks' so to speak. i.e. Win32, MacOS, and Linux, where there's so much out there that people need a site like Tucows to focus their needs.
I try to think of a reason why I would ever go to the Tucows site for anything BSD related and I can't. (and since I've now archived the entire PalmOS section, and there are plenty of better sites for Windows stuff, I can't think of a reason I would ever go there at all)
Not in a potato-like fashion.
Youths in IRC channels do not an Operating System make.
I suspect there are plenty of solid FreeBSD developers who don't spend their life in IRC who are part of what makes it a strong well designed Operating System.
What's wrong with staying with something that's solid and doesn't need to be changed (3 year old externals)?
I think that Tucows itself is the 'flash in the pan' (it's pretty pictures and not a heck lot more) and will be gone long before BSD.
Let's face it: shrill fanboys wreck more than they produce.
Sadly, to many people involved in this discussion, 'Music' seems to be electrical impulses fed through transducers. A totally passive process.
Musicians call this 'the reproduction of recorded music' and it's not what Mutopia is really about.
Making music involves sitting down at the piano, or resting the guitar across your lap and strumming it, or even just singing or whistling a tune in your head.
It's not a 'couch potato' activity at all.
Actually, these days I mostly listen to music that's at least 300 years old. Midieval, Renaissance, some Gregorian chants. Usually nothing newer than Bach.
70 years old is way too new, and hasn't stood the test of time.
But I should confess I like some new stuff too. I have a number of Terry Riley albums and some John Cage, too.
I just finished reading my hotmail.
Yours isn't working?
Please stop counterposing it as a duality.
There are not two poles (Microsoft and Linux) in the universe.
To be honest, in some spheres of computing, Linux is completely irrelevant and in other spheres of computing Microsoft is completely irrelevant. They are not balanced equals.
Depending on your point of view, that amounts to either putting Microsoft or Linux up on a pedestal. I don't think either deserves that spot.
There are better OSes for many computing tasks than either of those choices.
What makes you think the application server would be outside the company's firewall? The .NET server for any well administered company would be a local server. You seriously think companies are going to use an application server that delivers apps from out across the public internet to hundreds of employees desks??
Paying ten years in advance might turn out to have been a mistake.
Ten years from now who will remember to pay it again, since that will be generations of staffers later? Nobody will even know how.
That is, of course, if there's even a registar to pay ten years from now....
Naw, it was kinkier than that.
I have a passive backplane 386 processor card somewhere in all my old junk. It has integrated I/O and drive controllers. I used to use it plugged into a two slot backplane. I believe I ran Slackware (probably kernel 1.2.13...) on it for a time. It was awhile ago...
It's far more prudent for light duty uses like that to buy cheap PC104 hardware and run a regular x86 freenix on it.
I've long wanted a computer in which the processor / motherboard /memory were as easily removed and replaced as a hard drive, this sounds quite close to that ideal.
You're ready to upgrade to an S-100 bus machine, then.