You really think people would complain that it was released too fast to be possible?
Considering how much television is shown, gasp, LIVE, I'm not sure why you think everyone expects their to be a delay. Do they have to bicycle the VHS tape over or something? What universe are you in?
Obviously those were countries that did not report any data.
American has been the worldwide leader of incarceration for a good 20 years or so. Russia surged past us for a couple of years once, I think. But we've been the world leader in that category since the drug war began.
We are the least free nation in the world. Even the people out of prison are spied on. And good luck throwing a protest or a party. The cops WILL come.
To clarify the "catching up" part of my comment: Cell-phones need to be around for several hundred years before the scientific community can "catch up" to having "hundreds of years of knowledge" about them. There's simply not a lot of data going back hundreds of years because they did not exist. (Granted, information in later years is far more accurate than information from, say, 1901 when they sold Snake Oil.)
Typically, an industry shattering health problem is suppressed by corporations. How many millions of people died while the cigarette companies (I smoke, BTW) sat on evidence that it was harmful, suppressing it when possible? Go watch Erin Brockovich for another example of corporate suppression of science to make a profit. (Warning: Her character is annoying and 30 minutes of deleted scenes was more than I could bear.)
And, furthremore, there have been some studies that have indicated some link.
Wisdom manifests itself at the ability to know right from wrong without having to resort to academic elitism. You don't need to have a controlled study to know shit stinks. The fact that the cell companies have pressured some of the scientists in these studies to change their findings sends a clear message to me that they have something to hide, just as the ciagrette companies did.
Rewind 200 years. You would be able to sit here with me and argue that cigarettes are safe, because there have been "no carefully controlled studies that show the link between the two". You would be wrong. A wise man, however, knows when to observe phenomenon, and when to draw conclusions that might not be based on the elite academic studies of peer-reviewed medical journals. A wise man can know the truth before it's out, simply based on a pattern recognition. I'd rather be wrong sometimes, than have to wait for an closely-controlled study to come out before I am allowed to believe anything. I think it bodes well for my survival, and no, I don't have a cell phone. I use my wife's when I need to.:)
Flash doesn't work in lynx because Flash is something that Lynx could not possibly represent. Isn't that Lynx's fault? If someone wants to make a animation-based website, shouldn't they be allowed to? Or maybe we shoudl all stick to morse code because it works everywhere? Maybe we shouldn't use images because they don't display in Lynx, huh? Oh, but images can have alt tags, right? So can OBJECT tags.
You have to shut down one browser to launch the other? You have to set up separate user accounts to mitigate your sense of paranoia? God your computing-existence seems pathetic and inconvenient to me.
(WMV does suck.)
Your DOC example seems good on the surface. But a word doc is just text and images. No more or lesss than HTML. A flash IS more than HTML. There is a reason to use it -- to get to enhanced functionality that HTML cannot do. This reason would not apply to making pages as DOCs. Nice try though. Your analogy does make a point, I just think it's a bit hollow.
Fixed size is bad, but if you are doing raster-based flash instead of vector-based, you might not want people resizing your page to random dimensions. It can make text completely unreadable because the realtime antialiasing on a flash isn't that hot. That's the situation I am in when we have to create flash-based training that uses screenshots. The screenshots are not vector-based, and scaling would not look good.
But in general I would agree, for vector-based content, fixed size makes no sense. I hate it. I almost always load it in the browser without watching it, pull the SWF file out of my cache and rename it sensibly, and then view it FULL screen (on my 36-inch tv, of course) using the standalone flash player (not a browser plugin). That's my preference. Happy Tree Friends never looked so good, it's like having the DVD.
I load flash in multiple tabs all the time, and my machine is only 900mHz. Maybe if you used an operating system that used your hardware more efficiently, you wouldn't have this problem?
Security? Please. Don't let the flash app get me! I lost my life's work due to flash! Flash killed my parents!
Anyway, I don't see how "it works in javascript" is a good response. We weren't talking about javascript. My answer was accurate, but I guess one can never be too precise (accuracy vs precision) these days. I should have named every technology used. Or perhaps, you are making an argument against javascript too? My god, are abacuses and sextants and slide rules somehow involved too?:)
If you're arguing against javascript, you've really lost me now (not that you should care... well... *I* think you should:)). If 99% of the world can do something and your operating systems don't support that -- that is a big, big, big, big weakness on their part. Computers need to be albe to use new technologies as they come out, not 10 years later.
(I'm still aching over the 2000 experience of learning that Quake1 wont support a SoundBlaster original in RedHat 6.2/whatever-at-the-time. I mean... that's like... the original sound card. </tangent>)
I worked with markup code in 1993, I don't know when HTML technically came out but at the time no-one knew what HTML was. When HTML came along, it was just like "oh, another one of these". Sorry, another tangent.
Your use of the word "history" is something noteable to me. I use windows primarily for historical reasons myself. I grew up on DOS. I had my own command-line environment of various scripts & binaries on my first 20M harddrive, and that folder still exists today as the first folder in my %PATH (translation: $PATH) (hehe) and gets used extensively. When cygwin came along it pretty much did everything that I used my unix shell accounts for natively on my own machine, and I found myself no longer using ssh anymore. Every day, I run scripts that write scripts that then run. I use tab-filename completion every few minutes. I have automatic replications of important harddrive repositories (and 3 terabytes of space across 4 computers). I grep constantly. I have TV-out and have used a 36-inch TV as my primary screen for awhile now (Warrantee clock says it's been on over 30,000 hrs since 8/1999 which is rather insane if you work the math out.) I haven't used a cd player in 5 yrs. My music is broadcast on FM radio throughout my house and my computer can also turn off lights. I've used TV-out for 11 years.
And when my friends are over sometimes it's nice to show them an ugly website on a 36-inch TV connected to a 100wx5+16'sub soundsystem with an optical digital cable (no ground loop buzz)...
But hey... maybe I'm not going down the right path, but generally I don't meet people who use their stuff as... efficiently(?)... as I do.
One had a flash intro page, which pop-up'ed an HTML page when you used it(totousa). That's evil, and the page is really lame. But all that's needed to view this site without flash is ONE LINK to the HTML version. This is a reason to install flash, not a reason not to install flash.
NPGMusicClub clearly worked in HTML, I could mouseover the image placeholders as they loaded, clearly indicating HTML image links, not flash. There were flash elements. Not installing flash would certainly ugly it up. This is still, to me, no reason not to install flash, and no reason for the authors to not use flash. The site has a link to bypass the flash and the site itself is not flash. That's like complaining that a porn site has a welcome page with an image on it, and you only want textual porn.
BigFatInstitute is an abomination. I still don't see this as a reason not to install flash. This is an example of idiocy at it's finest, though. But still -- any person who wants to use his computer to go to thie site can do so, unless they are some zealot who insists on using an operating system that cannot support this. Ooooh "untrusted code"! Oh no!!@!@!@
So now people can't read text without being distracted by an image? Are you in need of some ritalin? (Glad you thought the joke was cute, but I stole it.)
And I still have yet to see a site where truly all the content lies within flash, only.
The screenreader stuff can work with NO additional markup. It depends on the type of text box you use in Flash. Obviously I'm a bit rusty or I'd specify precisely what that type is. Also, although JAWS ignores it, OBJECT tags can have ALT attributes. And I still have yet to meet any of these blind friends people keep claiming to have:) But we brought a blind guy into work to test some of our flash stuff. It was interesting watching him eat a strawberry.
However, you are in no position to complain about new web technology when you disable OLD web technology that is 15+ years old (images).
I think the fact that you disable images completely proves the gist of what I was said. You cripple your machine intentionally, then complain when other people use features you have disabled.
You are greatly raising smug levels. This is bad for the environment.
Flash *IS* readable with a screen-reader. I've spent the past 2 yrs developing training that is usually delivered in flash format and must pass govt section 508 requirements for assessibility and screenreading.
And: Your whole argument is a strawman. Flash is usually glitz, not content. Chrome on your bumpers. Unless you have a habit of bookmarking individual page elements rather than a page, your comment is completely non-applicable.
Furthermore, I already said earlier that anyone who puts valuable content inside of a Flash should generally be shot.
But not installing it out of tinfoilhatism? That's just looserish to me. I can view that latest YouTube video and show it to my friends (Though I'd much rather use my firefox extension to download the original video and play it fullscreen), and we will all laugh and have a good time. The tinfoilhatlinux person doesn't even have friends to show the video to, he's too busy flaming people for daring to install a new plugin.
You are right. And much closer to the truth than the original poster.
But Flash can also do things that HTML cannot do. That is called.........(drumroll)......... progress.
I'm sure when the web was created, there were people who talked about how "we don't need images", "all the information I search for is textual, so why would I want images?"
I'm also sure the same types of people were anti-soundcard, when sound cards first came out for computers. "I just want information, I don't want to hear stuff."
Some people lack imagination.
Incidentally, AVOID chicken pox. It can lead to shingles as an adult. Intentionally infecting children isn't helping then, it's hurting them. Adult chicken pox is very bad, but shingles can make you feel pain non-stop for the rest of your life.
And I guarantee my computers do more than yours. Since you can't even visit a page using 5+-year-old technology. You are an internet luddite.
Flash is just glitz. Yes, anyone who puts information that you are searching for into a flash needs to be shot. But there's more to life than textual information. We have gone way past the days of Lynx and Gopher, which I remember fondly.
You, sir, resist progress. Here's a bad car metaphor (seems to be a slashdot thing): You want a corvette, but you are unwilling to do so beucase you don't want chrome. Instead, you drive an Amish horse cart.
And please.... "Untrusted 3rd party ap"? Yes, Al Queda is going to install something on your computer that kills you, but only if Sony has rootkitted you first. Please. Anything with 90% market penetration is de facto more trusted than most things.
But I bet you don't have a problem with open source software. And I bet you don't see how that makes you a hypcrite either.
So to summarize: You believe in your ideals to the point where you will cripple your own ability to work outside your own very-narrow confines.
Oh, and some levity: Maybe you should just use the JAWS screen-reader and only visit 508-complaint Flash sites. You'll get your text equivalent then.
The issue is you refuse to install one of the main web technologies to your browser. The site IS cross-browser compatible; Flash has penetrated over 90% of the userbase of both browsers.
You don't see me whining that gmail doesn't work in lynx. Grow up. The plugin takes what, 1 second to install?
Oh, I know I know, "But I don't want it".
If you don't want to install technology to allow you to view web pages, you should not be posting on an article about awards to many webpages. You should fully expect to only ever see a fraction of the internet out there.
You're like a video collector... who wants everything to be in one codec. That just ain't gonna happen. The more codecs you install, the more videos you can play (and no, VLC doesn't play everything...).
Furthermore, he proves himself as an unreasonable asshole the moment he suggests that assaulting someone is somehow okay, but wearing a blue shirt isn't.
Well, HIPAA is focused on patient rights, not just confidentiality. You are entitled to any medical records that exist for you. The most they can charge is 50 cents per printed page (and I think a small shipping fee). I have a right to my results. They cannot blackmail me into paying an office visit simply for receiving information that I have a right to.
I told the bitch-ass receptionist (a real cunt) that. It was easier for her to tell my doctor to call me than for her to put stuff in the mail and deal with invoicing me 50 cents per page. She's a lazy cunt anyway and I got great satisfaction getting her to hang up on me.
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Considering how much television is shown, gasp, LIVE, I'm not sure why you think everyone expects their to be a delay. Do they have to bicycle the VHS tape over or something? What universe are you in?
American has been the worldwide leader of incarceration for a good 20 years or so. Russia surged past us for a couple of years once, I think. But we've been the world leader in that category since the drug war began.
We are the least free nation in the world. Even the people out of prison are spied on. And good luck throwing a protest or a party. The cops WILL come.
Typically, an industry shattering health problem is suppressed by corporations. How many millions of people died while the cigarette companies (I smoke, BTW) sat on evidence that it was harmful, suppressing it when possible? Go watch Erin Brockovich for another example of corporate suppression of science to make a profit. (Warning: Her character is annoying and 30 minutes of deleted scenes was more than I could bear.)
And, furthremore, there have been some studies that have indicated some link.
Wisdom manifests itself at the ability to know right from wrong without having to resort to academic elitism. You don't need to have a controlled study to know shit stinks. The fact that the cell companies have pressured some of the scientists in these studies to change their findings sends a clear message to me that they have something to hide, just as the ciagrette companies did.
Rewind 200 years. You would be able to sit here with me and argue that cigarettes are safe, because there have been "no carefully controlled studies that show the link between the two". You would be wrong. A wise man, however, knows when to observe phenomenon, and when to draw conclusions that might not be based on the elite academic studies of peer-reviewed medical journals. A wise man can know the truth before it's out, simply based on a pattern recognition. I'd rather be wrong sometimes, than have to wait for an closely-controlled study to come out before I am allowed to believe anything. I think it bodes well for my survival, and no, I don't have a cell phone. I use my wife's when I need to. :)
While the medical profession plays "catch up", people die to make corporations money. That's wrong.
Please join. At least get their newsletter. It's VERY informative. You don't have to give them money.
I would say, if I had to buy another machine this year, it would be nice to have an architecture that the operating systems of 2009 would run on.
Not that this has anything to do with the parent conversation (that I can ascertain).
Oh, but images can have alt tags, right?
So can OBJECT tags.
You have to shut down one browser to launch the other? You have to set up separate user accounts to mitigate your sense of paranoia? God your computing-existence seems pathetic and inconvenient to me.
(WMV does suck.)
Your DOC example seems good on the surface. But a word doc is just text and images. No more or lesss than HTML. A flash IS more than HTML. There is a reason to use it -- to get to enhanced functionality that HTML cannot do. This reason would not apply to making pages as DOCs. Nice try though. Your analogy does make a point, I just think it's a bit hollow.
Fixed size is bad, but if you are doing raster-based flash instead of vector-based, you might not want people resizing your page to random dimensions. It can make text completely unreadable because the realtime antialiasing on a flash isn't that hot. That's the situation I am in when we have to create flash-based training that uses screenshots. The screenshots are not vector-based, and scaling would not look good.
But in general I would agree, for vector-based content, fixed size makes no sense. I hate it. I almost always load it in the browser without watching it, pull the SWF file out of my cache and rename it sensibly, and then view it FULL screen (on my 36-inch tv, of course) using the standalone flash player (not a browser plugin). That's my preference. Happy Tree Friends never looked so good, it's like having the DVD.
Security? Please. Don't let the flash app get me! I lost my life's work due to flash! Flash killed my parents!
I hope you're not implying that you can't cut-and-paste text from a flash movie, because I have done so about 50 times in the past week.
Anyway...
Anyway, I don't see how "it works in javascript" is a good response. We weren't talking about javascript. My answer was accurate, but I guess one can never be too precise (accuracy vs precision) these days. I should have named every technology used. Or perhaps, you are making an argument against javascript too? My god, are abacuses and sextants and slide rules somehow involved too? :)
If you're arguing against javascript, you've really lost me now (not that you should care... well... *I* think you should:)). If 99% of the world can do something and your operating systems don't support that -- that is a big, big, big, big weakness on their part. Computers need to be albe to use new technologies as they come out, not 10 years later.
(I'm still aching over the 2000 experience of learning that Quake1 wont support a SoundBlaster original in RedHat 6.2/whatever-at-the-time. I mean... that's like... the original sound card. </tangent>)
I worked with markup code in 1993, I don't know when HTML technically came out but at the time no-one knew what HTML was. When HTML came along, it was just like "oh, another one of these". Sorry, another tangent.
Your use of the word "history" is something noteable to me. I use windows primarily for historical reasons myself. I grew up on DOS. I had my own command-line environment of various scripts & binaries on my first 20M harddrive, and that folder still exists today as the first folder in my %PATH (translation: $PATH) (hehe) and gets used extensively. When cygwin came along it pretty much did everything that I used my unix shell accounts for natively on my own machine, and I found myself no longer using ssh anymore. Every day, I run scripts that write scripts that then run. I use tab-filename completion every few minutes. I have automatic replications of important harddrive repositories (and 3 terabytes of space across 4 computers). I grep constantly. I have TV-out and have used a 36-inch TV as my primary screen for awhile now (Warrantee clock says it's been on over 30,000 hrs since 8/1999 which is rather insane if you work the math out.) I haven't used a cd player in 5 yrs. My music is broadcast on FM radio throughout my house and my computer can also turn off lights. I've used TV-out for 11 years.
And when my friends are over sometimes it's nice to show them an ugly website on a 36-inch TV connected to a 100wx5+16'sub soundsystem with an optical digital cable (no ground loop buzz)...
But hey... maybe I'm not going down the right path, but generally I don't meet people who use their stuff as... efficiently(?)... as I do.
NPGMusicClub clearly worked in HTML, I could mouseover the image placeholders as they loaded, clearly indicating HTML image links, not flash. There were flash elements. Not installing flash would certainly ugly it up. This is still, to me, no reason not to install flash, and no reason for the authors to not use flash. The site has a link to bypass the flash and the site itself is not flash. That's like complaining that a porn site has a welcome page with an image on it, and you only want textual porn.
BigFatInstitute is an abomination. I still don't see this as a reason not to install flash. This is an example of idiocy at it's finest, though. But still -- any person who wants to use his computer to go to thie site can do so, unless they are some zealot who insists on using an operating system that cannot support this. Ooooh "untrusted code"! Oh no!!@!@!@
So now people can't read text without being distracted by an image? Are you in need of some ritalin? (Glad you thought the joke was cute, but I stole it.)
I think not.
Either I am missing your point (quite likely), or your posting was by far the most pitiful of the lot.
The screenreader stuff can work with NO additional markup. It depends on the type of text box you use in Flash. Obviously I'm a bit rusty or I'd specify precisely what that type is. Also, although JAWS ignores it, OBJECT tags can have ALT attributes. And I still have yet to meet any of these blind friends people keep claiming to have :) But we brought a blind guy into work to test some of our flash stuff. It was interesting watching him eat a strawberry.
I'm impressed :)
However, you are in no position to complain about new web technology when you disable OLD web technology that is 15+ years old (images).
I think the fact that you disable images completely proves the gist of what I was said. You cripple your machine intentionally, then complain when other people use features you have disabled.
You are greatly raising smug levels. This is bad for the environment.
And: Your whole argument is a strawman. Flash is usually glitz, not content. Chrome on your bumpers. Unless you have a habit of bookmarking individual page elements rather than a page, your comment is completely non-applicable.
Furthermore, I already said earlier that anyone who puts valuable content inside of a Flash should generally be shot.
But not installing it out of tinfoilhatism? That's just looserish to me. I can view that latest YouTube video and show it to my friends (Though I'd much rather use my firefox extension to download the original video and play it fullscreen), and we will all laugh and have a good time. The tinfoilhatlinux person doesn't even have friends to show the video to, he's too busy flaming people for daring to install a new plugin.
But Flash can also do things that HTML cannot do. That is called.........(drumroll)......... progress.
I'm sure when the web was created, there were people who talked about how "we don't need images", "all the information I search for is textual, so why would I want images?"
I'm also sure the same types of people were anti-soundcard, when sound cards first came out for computers. "I just want information, I don't want to hear stuff."
Some people lack imagination.
Incidentally, AVOID chicken pox. It can lead to shingles as an adult. Intentionally infecting children isn't helping then, it's hurting them. Adult chicken pox is very bad, but shingles can make you feel pain non-stop for the rest of your life.
Flash is just glitz. Yes, anyone who puts information that you are searching for into a flash needs to be shot. But there's more to life than textual information. We have gone way past the days of Lynx and Gopher, which I remember fondly.
You, sir, resist progress. Here's a bad car metaphor (seems to be a slashdot thing): You want a corvette, but you are unwilling to do so beucase you don't want chrome. Instead, you drive an Amish horse cart.
And please.... "Untrusted 3rd party ap"? Yes, Al Queda is going to install something on your computer that kills you, but only if Sony has rootkitted you first. Please. Anything with 90% market penetration is de facto more trusted than most things.
But I bet you don't have a problem with open source software. And I bet you don't see how that makes you a hypcrite either.
So to summarize: You believe in your ideals to the point where you will cripple your own ability to work outside your own very-narrow confines.
Oh, and some levity: Maybe you should just use the JAWS screen-reader and only visit 508-complaint Flash sites. You'll get your text equivalent then.
You don't see me whining that gmail doesn't work in lynx. Grow up. The plugin takes what, 1 second to install?
Oh, I know I know, "But I don't want it".
If you don't want to install technology to allow you to view web pages, you should not be posting on an article about awards to many webpages. You should fully expect to only ever see a fraction of the internet out there.
You're like a video collector... who wants everything to be in one codec. That just ain't gonna happen. The more codecs you install, the more videos you can play (and no, VLC doesn't play everything...).
Just an observation.
Unfolded it, put it back in drive. All data read just fine.
True story.
Furthermore, he proves himself as an unreasonable asshole the moment he suggests that assaulting someone is somehow okay, but wearing a blue shirt isn't.
I told the bitch-ass receptionist (a real cunt) that. It was easier for her to tell my doctor to call me than for her to put stuff in the mail and deal with invoicing me 50 cents per page. She's a lazy cunt anyway and I got great satisfaction getting her to hang up on me.