There is a damn good reason for them to dislike the GPL, because it would destroy their entire business model and radically change, if not destroy, their entire business model.
Most of the ideas in that presentation were rather sound.
You are going to and have taken so much shit in response to this post, but you are right.
Both RMS-zealot "Free Software" (free as in communism?) and Microsoft's restrictive EULAs are against freedoms. The whole idea of licenses in general is rather rotten, I think, but there's still tons of licenses that are more free than the GPL.
I wouldn't bother. I know someone who's seen a plant. There's basically a faucet, and water bottles go underneath it, and they get filled up.
The guy was in advertising though, and he described his involvement with the bottled water company as convincing idiots that paid $1 for a bottle of tap water that $2 was a fair price.
I've been to a nuclear plant and a garbage burning one. The garbage incinerator was actually more interesting. You got to see their huge pit full of garbage, and the gigantic claws that would lift garbage like an arcade game claw lifting a stuffed animal. (They scared us by putting us by a window and then nearly hitting the window with the claw. The claw actually used to hit the window and broke it sometimes until they put in this I-Beam to stop it.) Then we got to look inside the incinerators. You can't really look inside the core of a nuclear power plant. They're both cool though, and there's more nuke plants than garbage burning plants. Good luck getting inside either these days, though.
Look to page 50. Observe how the U.S. CO2 per GDP is better than quite a few European countries. It doesn't even include third world countries, which would be even worse. To be really fair it would also need to be adjusted to "CO2 per industrial sector GDP."
Further looking around, you find that the United States is just a bit below average on energy from renewable sources, and if you took out lucky countries like Canada and Norway (copious waterfalls) or Iceland (copious geothermal activity) we'd be at the average or above the average level.
Imagine a country with 500 million people and an enormous GDP that produces 40% of the CO2 emissions in the world. Now imagine three other countries with 10 million people each, that are poor as hell, but they each contribute 20% of the CO2 emissions. Which of these is more at fault in pollution?
Those statistics are extreme, but they show my point. When the CO2 outputs are adjusted for the relative sizes and economies of countries, the United States comes out pretty well.
"So? Many 3rd world countries simply don't have the money to make the necessary changes, the US does!"
That's why we've done our part and made the necessary changes. Should we go farther and just shut down all our factories so more manufacturing will be outsourced to dirty third world facilities?
"this a challenge for your industries so they can sell environmental-friendly items to the 3rd world countries"
As soon as the third-world countries decide they'd like to spend money on environmentally sound factories instead of AK47s, eight children per family, or denying the existence of AIDS, our industries will be glad to sell them the equipment. That's part of how our evil capitalist system works.
Most third world countries pollute much worse than the United States. They are simply smaller, so their absolute CO2 admissions are smaller than the United States. Kyoto exempts many of these countries.
I've heard tales that NJ somehow forced the gas stations to not raise prices due to full service.
I think a good deal of NJ's lower gas prices are because all the ships with oil come to port at Newark. Driving on the turnpike there's acres and acres of tanks and refineries near the airport.
In 1996 you could get a Pentium 150 mhz and later on in the year a 200 mhz. You could still use that today with Windows 98 and IE or Linux and whatever. (My grandmother uses a 150 mhz with Windows 95 for her Internet. It works fine.) It's just that when you go the x86 way you can actually afford to upgrade, so you don't have to rationalize using a six year old computer.
If you've ever read "A Deepness In The Sky" by Vernor Vinge, he has a spacefaring human society many thousands of years in the future, and their computers still count time from 1970.
I've also heard these days that the phones turn off the handset microphone until you've paid up, so you need to do some funky tricks to get your signal in.
You can do all that with the cell phone Verizon gives you free with the service just as well as with the $200 model with internet, "bleeping" (the scourge of the earth), Java support, and small-penis-size compensator. You can also get messages on an answering machine, and for millions of years kids got along just fine without being able to call their mommies from anywhere on Earth.
Here is an anecdote illustrating for you the "cause" I am talking about. I was eating lunch in the high school cafeteria some years ago. A kid comes up to me and asks me to let him have a few dollars. (Another "symptom" - this type of people will never ask to *BORROW* money, they always want handouts.) I asked him what he needed the money for and he said, "I'm poor! I ain't got money for lunch!" So I told him, "Get a job to earn some lunch money." He replied, "I have a job, but I spent all the money yesterday on my new jacket!" I told him he could fuck off and go hungry. (Before you say it: His old jacket was perfectly servicable, but the manufacturer had come out with a new one with an even bigger logo.)
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There is a damn good reason for them to dislike the GPL, because it would destroy their entire business model and radically change, if not destroy, their entire business model.
Most of the ideas in that presentation were rather sound.
Tim
You are going to and have taken so much shit in response to this post, but you are right.
Both RMS-zealot "Free Software" (free as in communism?) and Microsoft's restrictive EULAs are against freedoms. The whole idea of licenses in general is rather rotten, I think, but there's still tons of licenses that are more free than the GPL.
Tim
I wouldn't bother. I know someone who's seen a plant. There's basically a faucet, and water bottles go underneath it, and they get filled up.
The guy was in advertising though, and he described his involvement with the bottled water company as convincing idiots that paid $1 for a bottle of tap water that $2 was a fair price.
Tim
What did you expect? Chips are made in a clean-room environment, no dirty tourists allowed.
Tim
I've been to a nuclear plant and a garbage burning one. The garbage incinerator was actually more interesting. You got to see their huge pit full of garbage, and the gigantic claws that would lift garbage like an arcade game claw lifting a stuffed animal. (They scared us by putting us by a window and then nearly hitting the window with the claw. The claw actually used to hit the window and broke it sometimes until they put in this I-Beam to stop it.) Then we got to look inside the incinerators. You can't really look inside the core of a nuclear power plant. They're both cool though, and there's more nuke plants than garbage burning plants. Good luck getting inside either these days, though.
Tim
It is only a way to try and make you understand the concept of adjusting admissions for GDP and other factors.
Tim
http://www.sourceoecd.org/data/cm/00000819/OECD_in _figures_2000.pdf
Look to page 50. Observe how the U.S. CO2 per GDP is better than quite a few European countries. It doesn't even include third world countries, which would be even worse. To be really fair it would also need to be adjusted to "CO2 per industrial sector GDP."
Further looking around, you find that the United States is just a bit below average on energy from renewable sources, and if you took out lucky countries like Canada and Norway (copious waterfalls) or Iceland (copious geothermal activity) we'd be at the average or above the average level.
Tim
Yes, "imagine", because it's a fabricated example to show the idea that I was talking about, which you seemed entirely incapable of understanding.
Tim
MIT is something like eight per cent foreign.
Tim
Imagine a country with 500 million people and an enormous GDP that produces 40% of the CO2 emissions in the world. Now imagine three other countries with 10 million people each, that are poor as hell, but they each contribute 20% of the CO2 emissions. Which of these is more at fault in pollution?
Those statistics are extreme, but they show my point. When the CO2 outputs are adjusted for the relative sizes and economies of countries, the United States comes out pretty well.
Tim
"So? Many 3rd world countries simply don't have the money to make the necessary changes, the US does!"
That's why we've done our part and made the necessary changes. Should we go farther and just shut down all our factories so more manufacturing will be outsourced to dirty third world facilities?
"this a challenge for your industries so they can sell environmental-friendly items to the 3rd world countries"
As soon as the third-world countries decide they'd like to spend money on environmentally sound factories instead of AK47s, eight children per family, or denying the existence of AIDS, our industries will be glad to sell them the equipment. That's part of how our evil capitalist system works.
Tim
Most third world countries pollute much worse than the United States. They are simply smaller, so their absolute CO2 admissions are smaller than the United States. Kyoto exempts many of these countries.
Tim
I've heard tales that NJ somehow forced the gas stations to not raise prices due to full service.
I think a good deal of NJ's lower gas prices are because all the ships with oil come to port at Newark. Driving on the turnpike there's acres and acres of tanks and refineries near the airport.
Tim
You could accomplish the same with a black box with an odometer inside. No need for GPS.
Tim
Speeding laws have more to do with revenue for the police station and the town than any other reason for a law.
Tim
Aftermarket modifications to the GPS box that make you a little old lady who only drives to Church on Sundays.
Tim
In 1996 you could get a Pentium 150 mhz and later on in the year a 200 mhz. You could still use that today with Windows 98 and IE or Linux and whatever. (My grandmother uses a 150 mhz with Windows 95 for her Internet. It works fine.) It's just that when you go the x86 way you can actually afford to upgrade, so you don't have to rationalize using a six year old computer.
Tim
P2P and, with increasing bandwidth, the increased development of the whole pirate information (mp3, warez, books, movies, porn) underground.
Tim
I've read stories that once a week, they would ship all of Usenet to Australia on tapes and pick up some tapes with all of Australia's posts.
Tim
If you've ever read "A Deepness In The Sky" by Vernor Vinge, he has a spacefaring human society many thousands of years in the future, and their computers still count time from 1970.
Tim
I was using a bit of hyperbole. By millions of years, I mean "two years ago."
Tim
Good point, good point. I don't think this is the prevalent situation in most of the U.S. yet, though.
Tim
I've also heard these days that the phones turn off the handset microphone until you've paid up, so you need to do some funky tricks to get your signal in.
Tim
Which ren faires? I'm up at the New York faire, maybe I've seen her.
Tim
You can do all that with the cell phone Verizon gives you free with the service just as well as with the $200 model with internet, "bleeping" (the scourge of the earth), Java support, and small-penis-size compensator. You can also get messages on an answering machine, and for millions of years kids got along just fine without being able to call their mommies from anywhere on Earth.
Here is an anecdote illustrating for you the "cause" I am talking about. I was eating lunch in the high school cafeteria some years ago. A kid comes up to me and asks me to let him have a few dollars. (Another "symptom" - this type of people will never ask to *BORROW* money, they always want handouts.) I asked him what he needed the money for and he said, "I'm poor! I ain't got money for lunch!" So I told him, "Get a job to earn some lunch money." He replied, "I have a job, but I spent all the money yesterday on my new jacket!" I told him he could fuck off and go hungry. (Before you say it: His old jacket was perfectly servicable, but the manufacturer had come out with a new one with an even bigger logo.)
Tim