I have the old model Prius and my father who is 6'6" used it to take a trip down to Florida (I live in Ohio). His head was touching the roof I think, but he had no complaints and didn't have to turn his head to the side to drive or anything like that. Admittedly my dad and your wife make have different bits of them at different lengths that made it workable for my dad but impossible for your wife. Are the seats fixed or adjustable in the new model you tested?
Toyota pays $200 for Prius batteries, so far these have been damaged ones as I have been told by Toyota outside of manufacturer defects and 3rd party damage, so far no Prius has had the battery pack die from normal use.
Well considering Toyota has a 8 (10 if you are in California) year warranty on the hybrid system (includes battery), and even after that the battery pack currently cost 2-3 grand (compare this to say replacing a blown engine), I don't see the world ending like you predict.
Also the NiMH batteries are recyclable.
Are you paid to spread wrong/bad information or do you just not research anything before posting and claiming authority on a subject you clearly have no grounding in?
Whats with all the links to this article? It has no useful bareing on what Prius owners in the USA see. Either people in.au are getting boned and happy to take it.
I dont see any proof people Prius batteries all die in 8-10 years. Just because it's linked fomr a google search does not mean it has any good information.
here is information from toyota directly (it may be spin, but I see no proof they are lying):
"Except for a few cases resulting from manufacturer defect, accident, or external damage, it has not had to replace a Prius battery pack."
Toyota has tested the hybrid system for over 150K miles and seen no discernable loss of capacity and expects the NiMH battery pack to last the useful life of the car.
The following while from a blog, at least Toyota is involved and gives some quotes/information about battery life.
"Aug. 23, 2005: How Long Do Hybrid Batteries Last?
For almost five years, I have operated three Toyota Priuses as a Yellow Cab--with no failures. The first Prius, a 2001 model, was put on the road Nov. 1, 2000, and acquired 332,000 kms [approx. 200,000 miles] in 25 months. The components that did wear out were not hybrid related components.
The battery system on the Prius is a modular system made of six 1.2-volt cells connected in series to form one module. There are a total of 38 modules in the classic Prius [1996-2003] and 28 modules in the current model. The system is designed to maintain a charge state between 40% - 80% in order to minimize memory build up in the batteries. Having had the opportunity to talk with Alain Lee, product training consultant for the Prius division at Toyota Canada, he stated the life expectance of the batteries would be a minimum of 15 years in normal use with the nickel metal hydride battery. This is based on 20,000 kms or 12,000 miles per/year.This claim is based on the information gathered from my 2001 Prius, which went back to Japan to be disassembled for technical information after 25 months use as a taxi, in exchange I received a 2003 Prius. The current model has an even more efficient battery--with additional connection points at the lower part of the cells. The internal resistance has been reduced by this improvement. The bottom line is that the new battery pack is more efficient in every respect from size, power, and life expectancy.
The cost the batteries to replace for the classic model including labour would be $5,000.00 cdn if you had to replace the whole pack. Because it's modular, you would only replace defective cells within the module. The classic model has a total of 228 cells in 38 modules and the current model has 168 cells. The cost of an individual cell would be approx. $17.00 cdn. Toyota has yet to release a price for battery replacement on the current model. As more hybrids are built, the cost will drop. The current manufacturer of the batteries is Panasonic.
The Toyota Highlander and Lexus 400h both currently use lithium ion batteries, which would have an even longer life span. The trend for the future would be to eventually do away with batteries all together and move into capacitors.
This information is based on my actual service records as a Yellow Cab in Vancouver B.C., Canada, Toyota University Technical manuals for the classic model Prius, current model and conversations with Alain Lee Consultant Product Training for Toyota Canada."
Unfortunately way to many. The temptation to become one, especially on-line sometimes is hard to resist.
I was mostly kicking myself for missing something in plane sight that I should have seen. It's also a good thing to admit one screwed up in a public forum like this so you dont get too full of yourself (IMO).
From what I hear about some of the mixtures for AIDS treatment it's ad bad as kemo, but I have no direct experiance there, thats why I brought up Cancer. Both are quite nasty to die from and often there is a prolonged period of "sickness" and suffering. Honestly I just don't understand why there is any opposition to using a drug to reduce pain/nausia.
As the owner of a 2002 Prius let me enlighten you. IT has a standard 12V lead acid battery that basically does the standard car electrics. The hybrid system uses a large NiMH battery pack coming in near 300V.
"In fact, new cars make so little CO you can't kill yourself with them any more."
I'd like some sources for this, not to say I dont trust a/. poster by the name of P3NIS CLEAVER, but people are still in the news committing suicide in rather modern cars (I dont remember the details of the most recent one I heard about) in the gerage.
The article you link to is quite wrong in every way that it can be for the US market.
Toyota has a 8 year coverage for the Hybrid side of the system (this is for the battery pack and the electronics as well as other components).
Also they do not force you to buy a new battery at 8 years, and the battery doesn't magically die in 8 years.
Also the cost quoted for the battery is wrong. I checking every year with my dealership parts department and the current price for the battery pack in just above 2K for the old style Prius (the one the article claims is 4,500 is the exchange rate that bad there?).
As for VW Wabbits (I have owned 3 both gas and diesel) the only way an 80's model got 45-57 MPG was diesel/manual transmission and that was not popular with motorists (gas model/automatic was more popular).
Now there is a chance people in Australia are getting screwed on costs and coverage, but here in the US it's nothing like the content of what you link to.
Define a few years? I ask this because I always have people saying how bad my decision was (7 year old Ford escort died so I decided since I was buying a new car I might as well get a Prius) and how I will have to replace a super expensive battery pack every couple/few years. So far after 3 my Prius battery is still going fine and has another 5 years coverage from Toyota (as does the rest of the hybrid side of the system). Last time I asked anyone at Toyota they claimed that in the last 8 years of hybrids being available (Japan got them a few years before the USA) no battery has failed outside of a manufacturer defect that was covered by warranty or end user damage (someone screwing a speaker cabinet to the shelf covering the battery drive the screw into the battery).
I have the same model as you and I see about the same (43-45 a bit higher I think) and that is after switching to longer lasting tires (they have more roll resistance and decrease mileage). I live in Ohio and have a 20 minute commute to work on the highway, rarely do I do any "city" driving.
Reality seems to tell a different story about government, people, and corporations. Just look in the last few years news involving AIDS drugs and 2nd/3rd world countries or the USA governments treatment of medical cannabis. I think legitimately sick people like cancer patients should be allowed to use drugs that have a positive impact. I have this opinion because I watched a loved one get butchered, wither, and die in horrible pain from cancer.
I seem to remember a couple years ago a news broadcast on the radio about a new AIDS drug cocktail that reduced traceable levels of the virus to the point tests could no longer detect it, but the person was not cured of HIV/AIDS.
Dont forget the Anthrax letters with the stuff from one of our military research centers. Rumor is the CIA sent the anthrax to Democrats (and a token republican or two) to try to kill them all!
I was only wearing half a tinfoil hat for that. You should be able to figure out what half.
Except he was not wearing anything more then a blue jeans material jacket that did not go below the waist. You can verify this FACT by looking at the pictures released of the poor man.
He was running for the train, for all we know he was just late, or afraid of the crazy white people with guns but no uniforms.
The had subdued him and had him pinned to the ground. They then put 8-9 rounds in his head just in case he had a bomb with a dead mans switch (these are the words of the head of whatever agency was responsible) possibly the stupidest excuse I have ever heard. They are lucky he didn't have a bomb as they would have been killed when they killed him. Frankly I think they deserve to be strung up (or executed in the same manner) for this.
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Are you sure? How is Toyota's "total hybrid system" not that? The description in my owners manual and other stuff seems to say it is.
Make that seven years as they had been available in Japan a few years before they were available over here.
I have the old model Prius and my father who is 6'6" used it to take a trip down to Florida (I live in Ohio). His head was touching the roof I think, but he had no complaints and didn't have to turn his head to the side to drive or anything like that. Admittedly my dad and your wife make have different bits of them at different lengths that made it workable for my dad but impossible for your wife.
Are the seats fixed or adjustable in the new model you tested?
Toyota pays $200 for Prius batteries, so far these have been damaged ones as I have been told by Toyota outside of manufacturer defects and 3rd party damage, so far no Prius has had the battery pack die from normal use.
You actually get better mileage with the windows up and the AC on then with the windows down.
Well considering Toyota has a 8 (10 if you are in California) year warranty on the hybrid system (includes battery), and even after that the battery pack currently cost 2-3 grand (compare this to say replacing a blown engine), I don't see the world ending like you predict.
Also the NiMH batteries are recyclable.
Are you paid to spread wrong/bad information or do you just not research anything before posting and claiming authority on a subject you clearly have no grounding in?
Wow, down here in the USA a Prius battery costs 2-3K. The quoteI got was 2K but others have said 3, maybe they didnt quote me labor charges.
I had no idea the US dollar was so strong against it's Canadian brother.
The magic of Ohio. I live about 2-4 miles from the center of the city of Columbus and power quality from AEP is total shit.
Yes, if only the Prius used lead acid battery banks insted of the lighter and also recyclable NiMH system.
Whats with all the links to this article? .au are getting boned and happy to take it.
It has no useful bareing on what Prius owners in the USA see. Either people in
I dont see any proof people Prius batteries all die in 8-10 years.
Just because it's linked fomr a google search does not mean it has any good information.
here is information from toyota directly (it may be spin, but I see no proof they are lying):
"Except for a few cases resulting from manufacturer defect, accident, or external damage, it has not had to replace a Prius battery pack."
Toyota has tested the hybrid system for over 150K miles and seen no discernable loss of capacity and expects the NiMH battery pack to last the useful life of the car.
The following while from a blog, at least Toyota is involved and gives some quotes/information about battery life.
"Aug. 23, 2005: How Long Do Hybrid Batteries Last?
For almost five years, I have operated three Toyota Priuses as a Yellow Cab--with no failures. The first Prius, a 2001 model, was put on the road Nov. 1, 2000, and acquired 332,000 kms [approx. 200,000 miles] in 25 months. The components that did wear out were not hybrid related components.
The battery system on the Prius is a modular system made of six 1.2-volt cells connected in series to form one module. There are a total of 38 modules in the classic Prius [1996-2003] and 28 modules in the current model. The system is designed to maintain a charge state between 40% - 80% in order to minimize memory build up in the batteries. Having had the opportunity to talk with Alain Lee, product training consultant for the Prius division at Toyota Canada, he stated the life expectance of the batteries would be a minimum of 15 years in normal use with the nickel metal hydride battery. This is based on 20,000 kms or 12,000 miles per/year.This claim is based on the information gathered from my 2001 Prius, which went back to Japan to be disassembled for technical information after 25 months use as a taxi, in exchange I received a 2003 Prius. The current model has an even more efficient battery--with additional connection points at the lower part of the cells. The internal resistance has been reduced by this improvement. The bottom line is that the new battery pack is more efficient in every respect from size, power, and life expectancy.
The cost the batteries to replace for the classic model including labour would be $5,000.00 cdn if you had to replace the whole pack. Because it's modular, you would only replace defective cells within the module. The classic model has a total of 228 cells in 38 modules and the current model has 168 cells. The cost of an individual cell would be approx. $17.00 cdn. Toyota has yet to release a price for battery replacement on the current model. As more hybrids are built, the cost will drop. The current manufacturer of the batteries is Panasonic.
The Toyota Highlander and Lexus 400h both currently use lithium ion batteries, which would have an even longer life span. The trend for the future would be to eventually do away with batteries all together and move into capacitors.
This information is based on my actual service records as a Yellow Cab in Vancouver B.C., Canada, Toyota University Technical manuals for the classic model Prius, current model and conversations with Alain Lee Consultant Product Training for Toyota Canada."
Unfortunately way to many. The temptation to become one, especially on-line sometimes is hard to resist.
I was mostly kicking myself for missing something in plane sight that I should have seen. It's also a good thing to admit one screwed up in a public forum like this so you dont get too full of yourself (IMO).
So the best thing to do is make sure the air you put in your tires is as dry as it can be?
From what I hear about some of the mixtures for AIDS treatment it's ad bad as kemo, but I have no direct experiance there, thats why I brought up Cancer. Both are quite nasty to die from and often there is a prolonged period of "sickness" and suffering.
Honestly I just don't understand why there is any opposition to using a drug to reduce pain/nausia.
Yaa, it's not like Toyota makes a Lexus Hybrid or anything... Oh wait, they do.
As the owner of a 2002 Prius let me enlighten you.
IT has a standard 12V lead acid battery that basically does the standard car electrics.
The hybrid system uses a large NiMH battery pack coming in near 300V.
"In fact, new cars make so little CO you can't kill yourself with them any more."
/. poster by the name of P3NIS CLEAVER, but people are still in the news committing suicide in rather modern cars (I dont remember the details of the most recent one I heard about) in the gerage.
n Traffic-NonCrash/Images/noncrash.pdf this out.
I'd like some sources for this, not to say I dont trust a
You might want to check http://www.nhtsa.dot.gov/cars/problems/studies/No
Sorry about that. For some reason I managed to not read the entire last line (I sometimes overskim even when I re-read something).
The article you link to is quite wrong in every way that it can be for the US market.
Toyota has a 8 year coverage for the Hybrid side of the system (this is for the battery pack and the electronics as well as other components).
Also they do not force you to buy a new battery at 8 years, and the battery doesn't magically die in 8 years.
Also the cost quoted for the battery is wrong. I checking every year with my dealership parts department and the current price for the battery pack in just above 2K for the old style Prius (the one the article claims is 4,500 is the exchange rate that bad there?).
As for VW Wabbits (I have owned 3 both gas and diesel) the only way an 80's model got 45-57 MPG was diesel/manual transmission and that was not popular with motorists (gas model/automatic was more popular).
Now there is a chance people in Australia are getting screwed on costs and coverage, but here in the US it's nothing like the content of what you link to.
Define a few years? I ask this because I always have people saying how bad my decision was (7 year old Ford escort died so I decided since I was buying a new car I might as well get a Prius) and how I will have to replace a super expensive battery pack every couple/few years.
So far after 3 my Prius battery is still going fine and has another 5 years coverage from Toyota (as does the rest of the hybrid side of the system).
Last time I asked anyone at Toyota they claimed that in the last 8 years of hybrids being available (Japan got them a few years before the USA) no battery has failed outside of a manufacturer defect that was covered by warranty or end user damage (someone screwing a speaker cabinet to the shelf covering the battery drive the screw into the battery).
I have the same model as you and I see about the same (43-45 a bit higher I think) and that is after switching to longer lasting tires (they have more roll resistance and decrease mileage). I live in Ohio and have a 20 minute commute to work on the highway, rarely do I do any "city" driving.
Reality seems to tell a different story about government, people, and corporations. Just look in the last few years news involving AIDS drugs and 2nd/3rd world countries or the USA governments treatment of medical cannabis. I think legitimately sick people like cancer patients should be allowed to use drugs that have a positive impact. I have this opinion because I watched a loved one get butchered, wither, and die in horrible pain from cancer.
I seem to remember a couple years ago a news broadcast on the radio about a new AIDS drug cocktail that reduced traceable levels of the virus to the point tests could no longer detect it, but the person was not cured of HIV/AIDS.
Dont forget the Anthrax letters with the stuff from one of our military research centers. Rumor is the CIA sent the anthrax to Democrats (and a token republican or two) to try to kill them all!
I was only wearing half a tinfoil hat for that. You should be able to figure out what half.
Except he was not wearing anything more then a blue jeans material jacket that did not go below the waist. You can verify this FACT by looking at the pictures released of the poor man.
He was running for the train, for all we know he was just late, or afraid of the crazy white people with guns but no uniforms.
The had subdued him and had him pinned to the ground. They then put 8-9 rounds in his head just in case he had a bomb with a dead mans switch (these are the words of the head of whatever agency was responsible) possibly the stupidest excuse I have ever heard. They are lucky he didn't have a bomb as they would have been killed when they killed him. Frankly I think they deserve to be strung up (or executed in the same manner) for this.
She gets some dialog and thoughts in Metroid Fusion.