Even without all the ag and all the people, cali would STILL be in a drought.
The state water supply comes from the snowpack in the mountains, as the snowpack melts. It normally gets replenished in winter. The past few years ahve seen very little snowfall, leading to no replenishment of the snowpack. Which means less and less water running into the water systems each year.
thats not even a valid logical argument. after you talked about last mile, he also talked about last mile, specifically the from the box to the house, and then you accuesed him of being stupid by talking about NOT-last mile cable laying and some stupid failed car analogy. JFC you are stupid. his whole point is that it make no sense to redo the cabling anytime you switch proviers, no more than it makes sense to dig up your driveway and connect to a "different" road if libertarians ever got their "private/subscription road market" fantasies fulfilled. its simply another area that is best served by a single entity because it makes for a natural monopoly and the costs to consumers of trying to create a "market" for them are out of proportion to any benefit recieved from doing so.
but since you want to talk about that: barring the invention of teleportation there pretty much is only one way to put things in the ground, and it involves digging a hole. They already use conduit in many places, and horizontal drilling and cable pulling, buts its limited in practicality because of the magnitude of force needed to pull/push cable over long distance would break the cable. which means the access points cant be very far apart. and they have to route around other underground infrastructure. they cant just go in straight lines for long distances. and you cant push/pull around corners (again: breaks the cable).
Idiots like you shouldn't enter speculative discussions.
Bull. Conservatives do not care and have never cared about restricting monopolies. Only one side of the spectrum has taken the position that restricting monoplies in order to promote competition is "punishing success".
Protecting the interests of entrenched corporations is a conservative position, regardless of the party doing it.
Breaking up monpolies to promote the concept that "anyone can make it in the land of opportunity" by fostering competition and breaking up monpolies has always been and will always be a progressive position.
1) the service is run like a utility, you pay for services through monthly bill, not through taxes 2) you dont have to sign up for the service 3) the state is only unaccoutnable if you choose not to particpate in this thing we have called democracy. 4) News flash: Comcast exists right now in market that is NOT controlled by the state.
you are an ignorant fool who didnt say one factual thing.
and youre projecting again. the liar and fool is you, as nothing you just stated is factual. most europeans do not have lower incomes than the US. they have higher, and they have a higher purchasing power parity.
its one of hte areas most prone to damage as you age. it gets thinner, its less able to repair itself, less able to protect the body internals, sun damage, skin cancer is one of the most common types of cancer, etc.
at its root its simply a basic probability concept, but many people have seemingly forgotten it.
if you have a perfect coin you expect 50/50 heads/tails over time. if you then modify your perfect coin to be slightly heavier on the heads side, you may expect over time to see an increase in the number of heads over time. say 51/49. but you cant state than any given toss that came up heads was due to your modification; that without the modification outcome would have been different. thats a very difficult thing to prove, and its true about coin tosses, and its true about climate.
we can see the influence over time quite easily with the change in trend over a sufficient sample size, but the linking of specific events will always be difficult.
yes, all that data, all those observations, they're all based on faith, rather than measurements taken by devices around the world measuring well understand physical phenomena, and showing a clear trendline of increasing energy on a planetary scale.
and thus you prove you know nothing, about CO2, Jon Snow. we've covered this at least a dozen times: you're wrong.
youre wrong about the economic costs. youre wrong about CO2 not being a pollutant. youre wrong about it not being better for life as we know. youre wrong about the availability of technology.
So what you're saying youre scared of internet tough guys? most threats are from cowards who will never do anything. the fact that some people do it while claiming to be muslims doesnt make them special, so why do you run in fear and treat it any differently than any other person making anonymous threats?
And lets get something straight here: calling someone a "muslim lover" is part of what makes you a bigotted scumbag. I'm no more a muslim lover than I am a christian lover, atheist lover, or race lover, or trans lover, or gay lover, or stright lover, or any other epithet you want to throw my way.
Acknowledging a group's right to equal existence under the law doesnt make one a lover of something. Nor does it imply support for the few fanatical extremists you try to paint all them as.
It simply makes one a supporter of Liberty, Freedom, and Justice, for All. You know, those American Ideals we claim to believe in? Something of us actually do believe in them unequivocably, without reservation, and without putting an asterisk at the end and adding the words "except muslims" or "for white christians only".
Stop spouting nonsensical BS, it only reveals your stupidity and unwillingness to face facts: -There have been 6 congressional investigations so far, as well at outside review. -6 times the GOP has been forced to issue reports that conclude that the White House did not do anything, and the very notion of any sort of benghazi scandal is completely manufactured and perpetuated only by certain politicians and Fox News without any basis in fact.
If the GOP had found anything they would be crowing from the rooftops, but they arent, because they cant.
So do you accept 6 GOP led investigations or not? If not, why not? What basis, what special intel do you have that they dont?
You can try to ignore it by putting your fingers in your ears and singing lalalalalalala, but that doesnt change the facts: that even the GOP led investigations who WANT to find a scandal havent been able to.
You're faced with 3 options: -admit the White House really did do nothing -admit your GOP leaders doing the investigations, with access to top secret documents, are incompetent -claim the GOP investigators are part of the conspiracy, like Fox has.
Just rmember the amount doublethink required believe the latter two: -that this "corrupt incompetent adminstration" is strangely really competent at coverups and has the ability to even get the GOP to go along with it. -4 people died at Benghazi, therefore impeach the President for treason.....while ignoring the 93 that died similarly under Bush. -when Obama says somethng wrong based on CIA intelligence its all his fault. But when Bush ignored CIA intelligence and builds fall down, and invades another country based while ignoring CIA intelligence...he carries no blame whatsoever.
Again: you are a crackpot and nothing but a professional troll with othing factual or logical to say.
What I posted are the current facts, not trolls. The fools who got mod points yesterday may want to mod it to oblivion, but that is simply because they dont like what they have heard. Which is too bad.
The AC said "we dont know anything about Benghazi, and that is a LIE. The AC is not intersting, nor insightful.
Nor does he apparently know the first thing about Benghazi: There have been 6 congressional investigations so far, as well at outside review. 6 times the GOP has been forced to issue reports that conclude that the White House did not do anything, and the very notion of any sort of benghazi scandal is completely manufactured and perpetuated only by certain politicians and Fox News without any basis in fact.
If the GOP had found anything they would be crowing from the rooftops, but they arent, because they cant.
You can try to hide it by modding it down, by putting your fingers in your ears and singing lalalalalalala, but that doesnt change the facts: that even the GOP led investigations who WANT to find a scandal havent been able to.
You're faced with 3 options: -admit your GOP leaders doing the investigations, with access to top secret documents, are incompetent -admit the White House really did do nothing -claim the GOP investigators are part of the conspiracy, like Fox has.
The amount doublethink required is amusing: -wingnuts seem to believe that this "corrupt incompetent adminstration" is strangely really competent at coverups and has the ability to even get the GOP to go along with it. -4 people died at Benghazi, therefore impeach the President for treason.....while ignoring the 93 that died similarly under Bush. -when Obama says somethng wrong based on CIA intelligence its all his fault. But when Bush ignored CIA intelligence and builds fall down, and invades another country based while ignoring CIA intelligence...he carries no blame whatsoever.
Propoganda? It's a matter of public record. It's not like its hard to research. You dont agree with their conclusions? Then prove it.
Your USA TOday link doesnt prove or disprove anything. In fact it matches and corroborates what I just posted. If you had bothered at all read the links to the reports or evenw hat I posted you would have seen that even the Congress, who doesnt want to, believes the WH based its initial statements on the CIA intelligence provided to them.
That's the point: EVEN THE GOP, WHO WANTED TO FIND SOMETHING, WHO TRIED TO FIND SOMETHING, FOUND NOTHING, 6 TIMES IN A ROW. If they had found anything they would have been crowing from the rooftops. You dont have a leg to stand on.
Yes because who needs safe medicine, safe food, and controls to prevent companies from killing customers? the market solves all.....in fantasy land.
meanwhile back in the real world we acknowledge that the market doesnt solev all, that people dont have the time to be fully informed on every thing, and companies cannot be trusted to not abuse people for a buck.
Multiple congressional reports, all but one led by the GOP, and they all say the same thing: There is no scandal. The White House told the truth. Fox is lying.
But hey, the facts are known about Whitewater too, but that hasnt stopped you idiots from continuing to push that fake scandal for over 20 years either. http://mediamatters.org/resear...
We still dont know what happened? Maybe in 2022 we'll get a senate report?
Hate to break it to you, but thats a load of bull. It's quite possible the YOU don't know. But that's because Faux news doesnt cover when they get proved wrong, and choose instead to keep pushing hte same myths years after being disproven.
There have been multiple congressional investigations (the count is up to 7 now) and hundreds of thousands of pages of reports (not an exaggeration). Nearly all spearheaded by the GOP.
And they all say the same thing: The White House told the truth and the benghazi scandal as peddled by Faux News is a hoax. Fox's response? That the House GOP is now part of the conspiracy. Seriously. You can't make this kind of stupid up.
And let's also not forget that while they keep pushing this fake scandal, they continue to ignore the 93 deaths that occured under Bush at several dozen embassies and diplomatic enclaves, never once calling for an special investigation or committee to look into those.
Like a pair of investigative bookends, two bipartisan congressional reports arrived this year -- one from the Senate Intelligence Committee released in January, the other by the House Intelligence Committee in late November. Both came to similar conclusions about the 2012 terror attack on the United States diplomatic compound in Benghazi. And both represented bad news for conservative cheerleaders of the Benghazi cover-up saga, as the tandem reports released enormous amount of air from the scandal balloons.
The Senate report in January did little to quench the political thirst of hardcore Benghazi believers. Its findings, which categorically demolished the most closely-held beliefs of Benghazi true-believers, didn't stop House Republicans from establishing a select committee in May to launch yet another investigation. (Six congressional committees and an independent State Department panel had already investigated the attack, for those keeping score.) That select committee holds its second hearing this week.
Similar to five other government reports, the one released by the House Intelligence Committee on Friday said that the administration had not intentionally misled the public about what occurred during the attacks in talking points it created for officials to use in television appearances that turned out to be inaccurate. It also said that no order was given by the military to "stand down" in responding to try to save the four Americans killed in the attacks, a claim that Republicans have made based on the account of a member of the security team in Benghazi that day....
The report said the C.I.A. did not have an "intelligence failure" in the months before the attacks.
For a refresher from Media Matters research, what did the Senate report conclude in January? -No Effort By Obama Administration To Cover-Up Or Alter Facts -No Evidence Of A "Stand Down" Order -No "Tactical Warning" Predicting An Attack
The report reaffirmed the findings of several previous investigations and once again determined that "there was no intelligence failure, no delay in sending a CIA rescue team, no missed opportunity for a military rescue, and no evidence the CIA was covertly shipping arms from Libya to Syria."
Fox News remained mostly silent in the wake of the report's publication, giving the report only cursory coverage while flagship news program Fox News Sunday ignored it entirely.
House Committee On Intelligence Concludes No Cover Up, No Stand Down Order In Benghazi Attack. The Republican-led House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI) released the findings of a nearly two year-long investigative report into the September 2012 attacks on two U.S. facilities in Benghazi. This report, like many before it, debunked right-wing media's myths about the attacks, concluding
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"There is no drought"
And you idiots modded this guy insightful?
Even without all the ag and all the people, cali would STILL be in a drought.
The state water supply comes from the snowpack in the mountains, as the snowpack melts.
It normally gets replenished in winter.
The past few years ahve seen very little snowfall, leading to no replenishment of the snowpack.
Which means less and less water running into the water systems each year.
Ergo: DROUGHT.
so far as i know burning man is made up of hippies not libertarians.
thats not even a valid logical argument. after you talked about last mile, he also talked about last mile, specifically the from the box to the house, and then you accuesed him of being stupid by talking about NOT-last mile cable laying and some stupid failed car analogy. JFC you are stupid. his whole point is that it make no sense to redo the cabling anytime you switch proviers, no more than it makes sense to dig up your driveway and connect to a "different" road if libertarians ever got their "private/subscription road market" fantasies fulfilled. its simply another area that is best served by a single entity because it makes for a natural monopoly and the costs to consumers of trying to create a "market" for them are out of proportion to any benefit recieved from doing so.
but since you want to talk about that: barring the invention of teleportation there pretty much is only one way to put things in the ground, and it involves digging a hole.
They already use conduit in many places, and horizontal drilling and cable pulling, buts its limited in practicality because of the magnitude of force needed to pull/push cable over long distance would break the cable. which means the access points cant be very far apart. and they have to route around other underground infrastructure. they cant just go in straight lines for long distances. and you cant push/pull around corners (again: breaks the cable).
Idiots like you shouldn't enter speculative discussions.
Take thine own advice knave.
Bull.
Conservatives do not care and have never cared about restricting monopolies.
Only one side of the spectrum has taken the position that restricting monoplies in order to promote competition is "punishing success".
Protecting the interests of entrenched corporations is a conservative position, regardless of the party doing it.
Breaking up monpolies to promote the concept that "anyone can make it in the land of opportunity" by fostering competition and breaking up monpolies has always been and will always be a progressive position.
Translation: i dont like the facts, so I'm going to accuse you of bias, as if that allows me to ignore inconvenient facts.
the state never has to answer to the market
1) the service is run like a utility, you pay for services through monthly bill, not through taxes
2) you dont have to sign up for the service
3) the state is only unaccoutnable if you choose not to particpate in this thing we have called democracy.
4) News flash: Comcast exists right now in market that is NOT controlled by the state.
you are an ignorant fool who didnt say one factual thing.
and youre projecting again.
the liar and fool is you, as nothing you just stated is factual.
most europeans do not have lower incomes than the US. they have higher, and they have a higher purchasing power parity.
its one of hte areas most prone to damage as you age. it gets thinner, its less able to repair itself, less able to protect the body internals, sun damage, skin cancer is one of the most common types of cancer, etc.
at its root its simply a basic probability concept, but many people have seemingly forgotten it.
if you have a perfect coin you expect 50/50 heads/tails over time.
if you then modify your perfect coin to be slightly heavier on the heads side, you may expect over time to see an increase in the number of heads over time. say 51/49.
but you cant state than any given toss that came up heads was due to your modification; that without the modification outcome would have been different.
thats a very difficult thing to prove, and its true about coin tosses, and its true about climate.
we can see the influence over time quite easily with the change in trend over a sufficient sample size, but the linking of specific events will always be difficult.
yes, all that data, all those observations, they're all based on faith, rather than measurements taken by devices around the world measuring well understand physical phenomena, and showing a clear trendline of increasing energy on a planetary scale.
and thus you prove you know nothing, about CO2, Jon Snow.
we've covered this at least a dozen times: you're wrong.
youre wrong about the economic costs.
youre wrong about CO2 not being a pollutant.
youre wrong about it not being better for life as we know.
youre wrong about the availability of technology.
no one exploited it, but that hasnt stopped you idiots from claiming they have.
in fact scientists went out of their way to do the opposite.
So what you're saying youre scared of internet tough guys?
most threats are from cowards who will never do anything.
the fact that some people do it while claiming to be muslims doesnt make them special, so why do you run in fear and treat it any differently than any other person making anonymous threats?
And lets get something straight here: calling someone a "muslim lover" is part of what makes you a bigotted scumbag.
I'm no more a muslim lover than I am a christian lover, atheist lover, or race lover, or trans lover, or gay lover, or stright lover, or any other epithet you want to throw my way.
Acknowledging a group's right to equal existence under the law doesnt make one a lover of something.
Nor does it imply support for the few fanatical extremists you try to paint all them as.
It simply makes one a supporter of Liberty, Freedom, and Justice, for All. You know, those American Ideals we claim to believe in?
Something of us actually do believe in them unequivocably, without reservation, and without putting an asterisk at the end and adding the words "except muslims" or "for white christians only".
He specifically mentioned Whitewater and Benghazi.
Therefore it is very much NOT offtopic.
Stupid mods.
So the relevence or accuracy of facts changes based on who said them?
Sorry but no, it doesnt work like that.
And those investigations were led by the GOP.
And they disagreed, officially, and publicly, with everything you just said.
6 times in a row.
You quite simply dont know what youre talking about.
Stop spouting nonsensical BS, it only reveals your stupidity and unwillingness to face facts:
-There have been 6 congressional investigations so far, as well at outside review.
-6 times the GOP has been forced to issue reports that conclude that the White House did not do anything, and the very notion of any sort of benghazi scandal is completely manufactured and perpetuated only by certain politicians and Fox News without any basis in fact.
If the GOP had found anything they would be crowing from the rooftops, but they arent, because they cant.
So do you accept 6 GOP led investigations or not?
If not, why not? What basis, what special intel do you have that they dont?
You can try to ignore it by putting your fingers in your ears and singing lalalalalalala,
but that doesnt change the facts: that even the GOP led investigations who WANT to find a scandal havent been able to.
You're faced with 3 options:
-admit the White House really did do nothing
-admit your GOP leaders doing the investigations, with access to top secret documents, are incompetent
-claim the GOP investigators are part of the conspiracy, like Fox has.
Just rmember the amount doublethink required believe the latter two:
-that this "corrupt incompetent adminstration" is strangely really competent at coverups and has the ability to even get the GOP to go along with it.
-4 people died at Benghazi, therefore impeach the President for treason.....while ignoring the 93 that died similarly under Bush.
-when Obama says somethng wrong based on CIA intelligence its all his fault. But when Bush ignored CIA intelligence and builds fall down, and invades another country based while ignoring CIA intelligence...he carries no blame whatsoever.
Again: you are a crackpot and nothing but a professional troll with othing factual or logical to say.
6 GOP led investigations in a row believe it.
And they have access to all the classified docs,
as well as the public record.
You think theyre wrong?
Based on what?
Your partisanship isnt a valid reason.
What I posted are the current facts, not trolls.
The fools who got mod points yesterday may want to mod it to oblivion, but that is simply because they dont like what they have heard.
Which is too bad.
The AC said "we dont know anything about Benghazi, and that is a LIE.
The AC is not intersting, nor insightful.
Nor does he apparently know the first thing about Benghazi:
There have been 6 congressional investigations so far, as well at outside review.
6 times the GOP has been forced to issue reports that conclude that the White House did not do anything, and the very notion of any sort of benghazi scandal is completely manufactured and perpetuated only by certain politicians and Fox News without any basis in fact.
If the GOP had found anything they would be crowing from the rooftops, but they arent, because they cant.
You can try to hide it by modding it down,
by putting your fingers in your ears and singing lalalalalalala,
but that doesnt change the facts: that even the GOP led investigations who WANT to find a scandal havent been able to.
You're faced with 3 options:
-admit your GOP leaders doing the investigations, with access to top secret documents, are incompetent
-admit the White House really did do nothing
-claim the GOP investigators are part of the conspiracy, like Fox has.
The amount doublethink required is amusing:
-wingnuts seem to believe that this "corrupt incompetent adminstration" is strangely really competent at coverups and has the ability to even get the GOP to go along with it.
-4 people died at Benghazi, therefore impeach the President for treason.....while ignoring the 93 that died similarly under Bush.
-when Obama says somethng wrong based on CIA intelligence its all his fault. But when Bush ignored CIA intelligence and builds fall down, and invades another country based while ignoring CIA intelligence...he carries no blame whatsoever.
Propoganda?
It's a matter of public record.
It's not like its hard to research.
You dont agree with their conclusions? Then prove it.
Your USA TOday link doesnt prove or disprove anything.
In fact it matches and corroborates what I just posted.
If you had bothered at all read the links to the reports or evenw hat I posted you would have seen that even the Congress, who doesnt want to, believes the WH based its initial statements on the CIA intelligence provided to them.
That's the point: EVEN THE GOP, WHO WANTED TO FIND SOMETHING, WHO TRIED TO FIND SOMETHING, FOUND NOTHING, 6 TIMES IN A ROW.
If they had found anything they would have been crowing from the rooftops.
You dont have a leg to stand on.
posting facts is not a troll.
Yes because who needs safe medicine, safe food, and controls to prevent companies from killing customers?
the market solves all.....in fantasy land.
meanwhile back in the real world we acknowledge that the market doesnt solev all, that people dont have the time to be fully informed on every thing, and companies cannot be trusted to not abuse people for a buck.
Libertarians also believe that no one would willingly ever sell an unsafe untested product, because that would harm their business.
that fact that actual history disproves that notion on an almost daily basis never enters into the picture.
1- if protest never draws attention to itself, then whats the point?
2- Uber is a taxi service that is trying to get around the requirements and regulations for taxi companies by claiming it isnt one.
Multiple congressional reports, all but one led by the GOP, and they all say the same thing: There is no scandal. The White House told the truth. Fox is lying.
But hey, the facts are known about Whitewater too, but that hasnt stopped you idiots from continuing to push that fake scandal for over 20 years either.
http://mediamatters.org/resear...
We still dont know what happened? Maybe in 2022 we'll get a senate report?
Hate to break it to you, but thats a load of bull.
It's quite possible the YOU don't know.
But that's because Faux news doesnt cover when they get proved wrong, and choose instead to keep pushing hte same myths years after being disproven.
There have been multiple congressional investigations (the count is up to 7 now) and hundreds of thousands of pages of reports (not an exaggeration).
Nearly all spearheaded by the GOP.
And they all say the same thing: The White House told the truth and the benghazi scandal as peddled by Faux News is a hoax.
Fox's response? That the House GOP is now part of the conspiracy.
Seriously. You can't make this kind of stupid up.
And let's also not forget that while they keep pushing this fake scandal, they continue to ignore the 93 deaths that occured under Bush at several dozen embassies and diplomatic enclaves, never once calling for an special investigation or committee to look into those.
Like a pair of investigative bookends, two bipartisan congressional reports arrived this year -- one from the Senate Intelligence Committee released in January, the other by the House Intelligence Committee in late November. Both came to similar conclusions about the 2012 terror attack on the United States diplomatic compound in Benghazi. And both represented bad news for conservative cheerleaders of the Benghazi cover-up saga, as the tandem reports released enormous amount of air from the scandal balloons.
The Senate report in January did little to quench the political thirst of hardcore Benghazi believers. Its findings, which categorically demolished the most closely-held beliefs of Benghazi true-believers, didn't stop House Republicans from establishing a select committee in May to launch yet another investigation. (Six congressional committees and an independent State Department panel had already investigated the attack, for those keeping score.) That select committee holds its second hearing this week.
Similar to five other government reports, the one released by the House Intelligence Committee on Friday said that the administration had not intentionally misled the public about what occurred during the attacks in talking points it created for officials to use in television appearances that turned out to be inaccurate. It also said that no order was given by the military to "stand down" in responding to try to save the four Americans killed in the attacks, a claim that Republicans have made based on the account of a member of the security team in Benghazi that day. ...
The report said the C.I.A. did not have an "intelligence failure" in the months before the attacks.
For a refresher from Media Matters research, what did the Senate report conclude in January?
-No Effort By Obama Administration To Cover-Up Or Alter Facts
-No Evidence Of A "Stand Down" Order
-No "Tactical Warning" Predicting An Attack
The report reaffirmed the findings of several previous investigations and once again determined that "there was no intelligence failure, no delay in sending a CIA rescue team, no missed opportunity for a military rescue, and no evidence the CIA was covertly shipping arms from Libya to Syria."
Fox News remained mostly silent in the wake of the report's publication, giving the report only cursory coverage while flagship news program Fox News Sunday ignored it entirely.
House Committee On Intelligence Concludes No Cover Up, No Stand Down Order In Benghazi Attack. The Republican-led House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence (HPSCI) released the findings of a nearly two year-long investigative report into the September 2012 attacks on two U.S. facilities in Benghazi. This report, like many before it, debunked right-wing media's myths about the attacks, concluding