just because they work for cheaper doesnt meant hey are exploited. and just because he didnt make a stupid business decision doesnt make him a conservative (your bias is showing).
why in hell would you ever choose to pay high wages to people who work 3 hours a day when globalization means you can pay a much cheaper wage to someone in india or china and get more work out of them? i dare you to try and make that decision and keep your business operational.
as for the exploitation comment, those cheaper wages dont occur in a vacuum. the workers can afford the cheaper wages beacuse the cost of living is vastly lower in china than in france (this is why you smack yourself for missing the obvious).
in case you missed it, china's economy is booming. much as people like to mock them for quality, and the scandals over labor conditions, overall the economy is growing at such a fast rate it's only a matter of a few years til they become the biggest economy in the world. standards of living, median wage, etc, are all increasing in china, dramatically. and the reason for this is.... all that cheap "made in china" stuff you like to bitch and moan about.
anyone who's ever done any basic though on economics should be able to see the cycle that's at work here. at some point china will no longer be just a source of cheap labor. and then it repeats again, jobs going to another place. eventually that place start growing because of real money coming in. its basic economics stuff which if you ever stopped looking at everything through your personal biases you would see.
why return it to earth at all? sure some, particularly iron and the like which are actually relatively rare in teh crust, might make it surface side to supplement what we have. but the whole point to keep it up there; mine it in space, refine it space, use it space. avoid the energy sink of sending it down to the surface, at least until we get the space elevators going.
as for treaties...they are only enforced as long as its convenient. already the antarctica treaty has come under scrutiny due to possible oil exploration, particularly around the penninsula where the climate isnt quite as harsh.
abundant compared to on the surface of the planet we call home. many of those iron/nickel asteroids have more of each than has been mined in the entirety of human existence.
aiming is easier too, since all trajectories become much nearer to perfectly flat in space. the only factor that's different is the angle of elevation at the moment of firing (the reason many bullet trajectories on earth dont start at 0deg but actually upward somewhat...the line of force from the recoild isnt directly through the CG but somewhat above it). once you adjust for that, the effective/accurate range of the weapon is much higher than on the surface.
if you think that was his point you lack reading comprehension. likewise for whatever moron modded him "troll". his point is about perspective. telling us yet another way in which the universe will end many billions of years from now is practically meaningless. here's some perspective: all of known human history, all 10k years of it, represents only 200-300 generations (avg lifespan between 33 and 50 years). Modern humanity is between 40k and 20k years old, depending on what you use as the basic (civilization/culture , agriculture, etc). homo sapiens sapiens (anatomical modern human) is only around 200k years old. the earliest original homo sapien is ~2 MYO, but it took nearly 90% of that time to get to Homo sapien sapien, and 99% of that time to get to modern humanity.
this event is scheduled to happen > 20 billion years from now ("tens of billions", ie at least 2 tens of billions). assuming its just 20B and not more, in 20B years life as we know it could evolve on earth >5 times. in fact, since many consider life to have evolved multiple times already, due to the various mass extinctions and whatnot, its even greater.
this time scale is so huge, so vast, it is beyond human comprehension. ALL of human history as we know encompasses just 200-300 generations of peoples strife, drama, success and failure. And we're talking about an event more than 400,000,000 (400 million!) generations into the future. there is essentially zero chance of our race having any impact on that event. hell, even if you consider it a Kevin Bacon linkage of civilizations, from us, to Alien A, to Alien B, Alien C, Alien D, and so on, serially through 26 other alien civiliations, the chances are still slim to none.
And meanwhile we have kids starving, wars being fought, greenhouse gases, etc etc etc. That is the guys point: Perspective. Y'all could use a little.
human trials? it's corn. you eat it. it gets digested and broken down. then you take a dump. they didnt change anything in that process, its the exact same carbs you always got. they just made it so it cant reproduce. bad scifi movies aside, that isnt something to be worried about in terms of your personal health. honestly i expect better intelligence from someone on slashdot.
no, your concern over human trials is silly. what you should be concerned about is whether or not it has the ability to hybridize in the wild, and decimate the world corn crop. we have stored seed that could still be used, but all it would take is one bad season to make a lot of people very unhappy. they've proven time and again they cant really control the spread of the pollen, and patches of it spring up in other places far from where it was planted. that is the danger here: it cross pollinating with regular corn and causing a season or two of "holy crap our corn seed is useless".
what's so good about used plastics sitting taking up space in a landfill? if they dont breakdown, they dont contribute anything to the release and recapture of methane from landfill tapping. and not being recycled, they can't be put back into the market to decrease the demand for -new- plastic and thus decrease demand for oil for making those plastics.
I didnt realize it was the hand's sensory input that was vital to the experience. or Before it was the permanent equivalent of sitting on your hand to make it numb so it feels like the "stranger"
i just watched them again a few weeks ago. my wife hadnt seen them. so she saw them fr the first time. I took a star wars noob, nearly 40 years after they were made, and she was enthralled. i'd say they hold up pretty damn well.
and then we watched the prequels last weekend. she was bored, and kepts asking me why this and why that. same star wars noob, and she nailed it on the head why the prequels suck, without giong into our conversation. granted, she does have a masters in the arts, and has studied storytelling.
-OK Nathan, here's the setup. You, Morena, Jewel, Gina, and Summer are all in the ship. And someone releases a love drug. And next thing, all 5 of you are going to town. -You sure this isn't some fanboy's fantasy? -Possibly, but he's got a giant rock hanging over LA and demanding that we do this. -Well sure. I mean...*eyeing fellow cast members*...anything to save the Earth.
the proper term was extended range EV. the drive train is all electric, and you can use a battery pack as primary power source. you simply have the option or capability to use a gasoline engine to directly generate electricity. this allows gasoline type energy density, but electric type efficincies, and you eliminate the weight and space taken up by a gasoline drivetrain. eventually such systems will even be plug and swap: 1 primary battery pack always present, and then either a 2ndary one, or a generator module.
You're ignoring the cost of fuel over the lifetime of the car. You pay a premium upfront and in return never need to buy gas again. As it is, the base model lowerer powered S at 52k comes close to paying for itself when compared to a mass market car over a reasonable time of ownership (~16 years if compared to a ~20k car). 16 years is not enreasonable, as cars become more and more reliable, we hold on to them longer and longer (if you're financially savvy anyway). if you compare it to the level of cars its more evenly matched with, the break even point comes sooner. note though that my math did not account for the increased loan size and thus larger interest (i'm assuming if you can afford the loan on 52k+ dollars, you arent going to be making just the minimums and get hosed on interest).
point is, as this tech gets more and more market penetration, the costs will come down, to the point where you break even around 2-3 years of ownership, if not sooner.
Its been previously stated that powering the Tesla S to max range is equivalent to burning 3 gallons of gas. Compared to the usual 10-12 gallon gas tank of a car, that's pretty much a win no matter how you get the electricity (as long its not frm baby farts; while smelly, they arent very large or practical for a pwoerplant)
and if something was coming for us, no one would a little thing like money get in the way of projects aimed at survival. that's one of those situations where you say "F the cost, we'll pay it later, lets worry about surviving first!"
and in actuallity, we have the tech right now to build a colony or exploration ship, to get it started. its an engineering problem, and its largely solved. it wouldnt be very efficient. it would use a TON of resources, including time. it would be HUGE. it would cost a butt ton. it would be dangerous.
But it is possible. So really the only thing lacking the will. Afterall, the pyramids weren't built in a day, even if our modern society pretty much lacks the vision to do or look forward to anything further away than the next weekend.
nah. most missiles dont reach 10k. about the only ones that would are the ballistic missiles, and that's because they need to get to space (or nearly so). typical missles are mach 4-5. For ex, Patriot is mach 5, which is only around 3800 mph.
Mom & Pop R Us needs to collect sales tax by law. You pay 10$ + tax, ~11$ Online mega merchant doesn't. You pay $10. Therefore, you go online cause it's cheaper. Mom & Pop suffer.
If Mom & Pop have an online store, but you aren't in the local jurisdiction of the tax, they cant charge you the tax. The municipality suffers lost tax revenue, even though a sale occured that brought money into it.
This stuff has been a long time coming; Amazon saw the writing on the wall, and thats why theyve been beefing up a semi-physical presence. Many products and stores now have a price parity just from the attempt to compete from online pricing. Municipalities that rely on sales tax dont like losing their revenue, and businesses dont like losing sales because of something they are required to collect but another business essentially gets a loop whole around.
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just because they work for cheaper doesnt meant hey are exploited. and just because he didnt make a stupid business decision doesnt make him a conservative (your bias is showing).
why in hell would you ever choose to pay high wages to people who work 3 hours a day when globalization means you can pay a much cheaper wage to someone in india or china and get more work out of them? i dare you to try and make that decision and keep your business operational.
as for the exploitation comment, those cheaper wages dont occur in a vacuum. the workers can afford the cheaper wages beacuse the cost of living is vastly lower in china than in france (this is why you smack yourself for missing the obvious).
in case you missed it, china's economy is booming. much as people like to mock them for quality, and the scandals over labor conditions, overall the economy is growing at such a fast rate it's only a matter of a few years til they become the biggest economy in the world. standards of living, median wage, etc, are all increasing in china, dramatically. and the reason for this is.... all that cheap "made in china" stuff you like to bitch and moan about.
anyone who's ever done any basic though on economics should be able to see the cycle that's at work here. at some point china will no longer be just a source of cheap labor. and then it repeats again, jobs going to another place. eventually that place start growing because of real money coming in. its basic economics stuff which if you ever stopped looking at everything through your personal biases you would see.
they are as bad. and to deny makes you just as bad as those who insist fox is gospel truth.
you're so full of crap.
why return it to earth at all? sure some, particularly iron and the like which are actually relatively rare in teh crust, might make it surface side to supplement what we have. but the whole point to keep it up there; mine it in space, refine it space, use it space. avoid the energy sink of sending it down to the surface, at least until we get the space elevators going.
as for treaties...they are only enforced as long as its convenient. already the antarctica treaty has come under scrutiny due to possible oil exploration, particularly around the penninsula where the climate isnt quite as harsh.
abundant compared to on the surface of the planet we call home. many of those iron/nickel asteroids have more of each than has been mined in the entirety of human existence.
aiming is easier too, since all trajectories become much nearer to perfectly flat in space. the only factor that's different is the angle of elevation at the moment of firing (the reason many bullet trajectories on earth dont start at 0deg but actually upward somewhat...the line of force from the recoild isnt directly through the CG but somewhat above it). once you adjust for that, the effective/accurate range of the weapon is much higher than on the surface.
if you think that was his point you lack reading comprehension.
likewise for whatever moron modded him "troll".
his point is about perspective.
telling us yet another way in which the universe will end many billions of years from now is practically meaningless. here's some perspective: all of known human history, all 10k years of it, represents only 200-300 generations (avg lifespan between 33 and 50 years). Modern humanity is between 40k and 20k years old, depending on what you use as the basic (civilization/culture , agriculture, etc). homo sapiens sapiens (anatomical modern human) is only around 200k years old. the earliest original homo sapien is ~2 MYO, but it took nearly 90% of that time to get to Homo sapien sapien, and 99% of that time to get to modern humanity.
this event is scheduled to happen > 20 billion years from now ("tens of billions", ie at least 2 tens of billions). assuming its just 20B and not more, in 20B years life as we know it could evolve on earth >5 times. in fact, since many consider life to have evolved multiple times already, due to the various mass extinctions and whatnot, its even greater.
this time scale is so huge, so vast, it is beyond human comprehension. ALL of human history as we know encompasses just 200-300 generations of peoples strife, drama, success and failure. And we're talking about an event more than 400,000,000 (400 million!) generations into the future. there is essentially zero chance of our race having any impact on that event. hell, even if you consider it a Kevin Bacon linkage of civilizations, from us, to Alien A, to Alien B, Alien C, Alien D, and so on, serially through 26 other alien civiliations, the chances are still slim to none.
And meanwhile we have kids starving, wars being fought, greenhouse gases, etc etc etc.
That is the guys point: Perspective. Y'all could use a little.
point and match
human trials? it's corn. you eat it. it gets digested and broken down. then you take a dump. they didnt change anything in that process, its the exact same carbs you always got. they just made it so it cant reproduce. bad scifi movies aside, that isnt something to be worried about in terms of your personal health. honestly i expect better intelligence from someone on slashdot.
no, your concern over human trials is silly. what you should be concerned about is whether or not it has the ability to hybridize in the wild, and decimate the world corn crop. we have stored seed that could still be used, but all it would take is one bad season to make a lot of people very unhappy. they've proven time and again they cant really control the spread of the pollen, and patches of it spring up in other places far from where it was planted. that is the danger here: it cross pollinating with regular corn and causing a season or two of "holy crap our corn seed is useless".
what's so good about used plastics sitting taking up space in a landfill? if they dont breakdown, they dont contribute anything to the release and recapture of methane from landfill tapping. and not being recycled, they can't be put back into the market to decrease the demand for -new- plastic and thus decrease demand for oil for making those plastics.
that's a good thing? you be trollin
I didnt realize it was the hand's sensory input that was vital to the experience.
or
Before it was the permanent equivalent of sitting on your hand to make it numb so it feels like the "stranger"
It's the Recycled Rumor Mill.
Same rumor they had on /. last week.
And the week before that.
And pretty much every week or two before that.
Anyone else tired of seeing the same rumor posted as "news" every week?
i just watched them again a few weeks ago. my wife hadnt seen them. so she saw them fr the first time.
I took a star wars noob, nearly 40 years after they were made, and she was enthralled. i'd say they hold up pretty damn well.
and then we watched the prequels last weekend.
she was bored, and kepts asking me why this and why that.
same star wars noob, and she nailed it on the head why the prequels suck, without giong into our conversation. granted, she does have a masters in the arts, and has studied storytelling.
the pod race was the most entertaining part of the entire film.
-OK Nathan, here's the setup. You, Morena, Jewel, Gina, and Summer are all in the ship. And someone releases a love drug. And next thing, all 5 of you are going to town.
-You sure this isn't some fanboy's fantasy?
-Possibly, but he's got a giant rock hanging over LA and demanding that we do this.
-Well sure. I mean...*eyeing fellow cast members*...anything to save the Earth.
You keep using that phrase. I do not think it means what you think it means.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_the_messenger
what this guy said. mod up
the proper term was extended range EV. the drive train is all electric, and you can use a battery pack as primary power source.
you simply have the option or capability to use a gasoline engine to directly generate electricity. this allows gasoline type energy density, but electric type efficincies, and you eliminate the weight and space taken up by a gasoline drivetrain. eventually such systems will even be plug and swap: 1 primary battery pack always present, and then either a 2ndary one, or a generator module.
oh its very green. unless it's been eating carrots. then its a bright bright orange.
You're ignoring the cost of fuel over the lifetime of the car. You pay a premium upfront and in return never need to buy gas again. As it is, the base model lowerer powered S at 52k comes close to paying for itself when compared to a mass market car over a reasonable time of ownership (~16 years if compared to a ~20k car). 16 years is not enreasonable, as cars become more and more reliable, we hold on to them longer and longer (if you're financially savvy anyway). if you compare it to the level of cars its more evenly matched with, the break even point comes sooner. note though that my math did not account for the increased loan size and thus larger interest (i'm assuming if you can afford the loan on 52k+ dollars, you arent going to be making just the minimums and get hosed on interest).
point is, as this tech gets more and more market penetration, the costs will come down, to the point where you break even around 2-3 years of ownership, if not sooner.
Its been previously stated that powering the Tesla S to max range is equivalent to burning 3 gallons of gas.
Compared to the usual 10-12 gallon gas tank of a car, that's pretty much a win no matter how you get the electricity (as long its not frm baby farts; while smelly, they arent very large or practical for a pwoerplant)
even worse, its ready made space artillery.
the insult was absolutely un called for.
and if something was coming for us, no one would a little thing like money get in the way of projects aimed at survival.
that's one of those situations where you say "F the cost, we'll pay it later, lets worry about surviving first!"
and in actuallity, we have the tech right now to build a colony or exploration ship, to get it started. its an engineering problem, and its largely solved.
it wouldnt be very efficient.
it would use a TON of resources, including time.
it would be HUGE.
it would cost a butt ton.
it would be dangerous.
But it is possible. So really the only thing lacking the will. Afterall, the pyramids weren't built in a day, even if our modern society pretty much lacks the vision to do or look forward to anything further away than the next weekend.
nah. most missiles dont reach 10k. about the only ones that would are the ballistic missiles, and that's because they need to get to space (or nearly so). typical missles are mach 4-5. For ex, Patriot is mach 5, which is only around 3800 mph.
Item X costs $10.
Mom & Pop R Us needs to collect sales tax by law. You pay 10$ + tax, ~11$
Online mega merchant doesn't. You pay $10.
Therefore, you go online cause it's cheaper. Mom & Pop suffer.
If Mom & Pop have an online store, but you aren't in the local jurisdiction of the tax, they cant charge you the tax.
The municipality suffers lost tax revenue, even though a sale occured that brought money into it.
This stuff has been a long time coming; Amazon saw the writing on the wall, and thats why theyve been beefing up a semi-physical presence. Many products and stores now have a price parity just from the attempt to compete from online pricing. Municipalities that rely on sales tax dont like losing their revenue, and businesses dont like losing sales because of something they are required to collect but another business essentially gets a loop whole around.
Long time coming.