just beacuse we can't come up with a better one dosn't mean that yours is any good.... the brain dosn't store binary digital data, so it dosn't have "storage space" in the same respect as the human mind... I think the best answer would be how much computer data would it requre to "store" the contents of a mind... from that respect we would want to look at the mind from a mechanical model. how many nurons are there, and how many connections. (as well as the electrical signals going around) --------------- Chad Okere
If we ever get the technology to implant memorys in our mind, record companies will probably want to charge you money everytime you remember a song.... --------------- Chad Okere
well, hypnosis tends to *create* memorys more then it restores them... if you "imagen" somthing under hypnosis, you'll likly have that memory implanted in your mind, thats why memorys that come from hypnosis can't be used in cort --------------- Chad Okere
well, 23 is not "nearly 30"... The human brain has about 100 billion nurons, with somthing like up to 50 connections with other nurons. so the maximum "potential" storage space would be the number of posible interconects, or somthing. whatever --------------- Chad Okere
wow, I'm glad you brought a peice of fiction in, that has a lot of relevance:P I wounder what *would* happen to our minds if we were able to live forever... My guess is data would get "overwriten" or somthing, or maybe we would just seze up and die... --------------- Chad Okere
hrm, well evolution isn't very acurite or precise... the human mind is a *lot* more effective, compare the amout of evolution in the biological world, with the *technological* advances in the past 300 years... you see my point? --------------- Chad Okere
that brings up a good point... how fast can you read? it's pretty obvious that the human bran has a lot of "bandwidth" into it, the eyes alone must be several gigabytes per second (two *very* highres uncompressed video streams) I would think that it cant really be compared on a 'conseptual' level. the brain is the best datacompressor in the world... you can remember every tone of a whole song, but there is no way that you could memorize the binary data that compises it... --------------- Chad Okere
I think that's a little rediculis, like saying quake2 is a couple of terrabites, beacus it shows a high resolution video for several hours... --------------- Chad Okere
In Jony Mnumonic(sp?) he could hold 80Gb, but he stored about 300, and there were supposedly some side efects (or somthing) the Matrix was a much cooler movie --------------- Chad Okere
When you're about to be hit by a truck, your brain tryes franticly to think of a way out... more and more complex ideas in a shorter amout of time, such that [thougts]--> infinity as [time] --> 0, (zero being the poing of impact) maybe some people survie beacuse thoughts didn't quite make it to the maximum point, or perhaps some people were running Linux, and some were running windows 98.... eventualy though, you'll over load any system... if a malloc() fails, then that's a pretty critical fault in and of itself, so the whole "self" applications dies, and takes you with it... --------------- Chad Okere
Oh yes, also, evolution *does* happen, you can observe it for your self in frut flys or bacteria... DNA changes, no matter what you say, you cannot change that (It has not been *proven* to be the starting point for all live, but there is no other resonable explanation) --------------- Chad Okere
Ok, I'm going to say this once: The second law of Thermodynamics ONLY APPLYES TO THERMODYNAMICS!!! For god sakes, it has nothing to do with biology. Thermodynamics being the general motion of large numbers of molecules. Also, it's ridicules to say that humans are more 'complex' thermodynamically then say, a piece of seaweed, it may seem that way to us, but it doesn't have any more 'randomness' then we do... the most 'chaotic' thing in the thermodynamics world is a homogeneous gas, but that 'seems' pretty simple doesn't it? As for "living matter" sprigging forth from "non-living" matter, well there really is no difference, "Life" biologically is just a complex loop of chemical reactions, nothing more. Despite the fact that we are alive, we are made of "non-living" matter. Some scientists did an experiment where they tried to replicate what they thought the world was like when life came about. Then they jammed tons of electricity into it (that would be like lightning on the primordial ooze) In ten hours the thing was filled with amino acids. So life *can* come from non-living matter. (they started with just water and nitrogen) in short, fuck off hrm.. btw I heard that the brain can hold 100Gb somewhere, not 13TB... It's not really comparable though... we really do need a better filesystem though... *sigh* --------------- Chad Okere
hrm... I'm a black person (well... half and half) and If I had a choice between going to a KKK meeting, and not exsisting, I'd go to the KKK meeting. If I were a clone I would be gratfull to whatever process created me, for without it, I would not exsist. anyway, the simple answer to your question is this: don't tell anyone who was cloned. keep it secret, no one knows, no one cares. its as simple as that --------------- Chad Okere
At the monment, I don't belive that There is much use for clones (anymore then there is use for the offspring resulting from sex, eg replenishing the human race). But for some couples, sex dosn't result in children.... I don't see anything insidius about this... --------------- Chad Okere
I have no problem slandering Islam, Or Scientology... Islam seems almost worse then Xstianity, and Scientology... well I just find that weird --------------- Chad Okere
Don't some Ethernet Cards let you boot up remotely? this would solve a lot of problems I think... get an ATX case that can turn itself off through software, then boot of the ethernet... no need for serial cables ether:) --------------- Chad Okere
I personaly think that's a good thing, I always thought it was kind of hypocritical for someone ot 'own' the words "open source" dispite what there intentions were... OSI certified is a better tool, I belive
Hrm, a triangle with an eye in the center... a good Idea, beacuse in theory if they held all your data, they could look at it... (like they'd be useing any kind of encription)
but there is one problem... AOL already *has* that logo:) --------------- Chad Okere
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just beacuse we can't come up with a better one dosn't mean that yours is any good.... the brain dosn't store binary digital data, so it dosn't have "storage space" in the same respect as the human mind... I think the best answer would be how much computer data would it requre to "store" the contents of a mind... from that respect we would want to look at the mind from a mechanical model. how many nurons are there, and how many connections. (as well as the electrical signals going around)
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Chad Okere
why would you think that?
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Chad Okere
If we ever get the technology to implant memorys in our mind, record companies will probably want to charge you money everytime you remember a song....
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Chad Okere
I'd be willing to bet that you didn't notice the pattern when you picked those numbers....
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Chad Okere
well, hypnosis tends to *create* memorys more then it restores them... if you "imagen" somthing under hypnosis, you'll likly have that memory implanted in your mind, thats why memorys that come from hypnosis can't be used in cort
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Chad Okere
well, 23 is not "nearly 30"... The human brain has about 100 billion nurons, with somthing like up to 50 connections with other nurons. so the maximum "potential" storage space would be the number of posible interconects, or somthing. whatever
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Chad Okere
wow, I'm glad you brought a peice of fiction in, that has a lot of relevance :P I wounder what *would* happen to our minds if we were able to live forever... My guess is data would get "overwriten" or somthing, or maybe we would just seze up and die...
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Chad Okere
hrm, well evolution isn't very acurite or precise. .. the human mind is a *lot* more effective, compare the amout of evolution in the biological world, with the *technological* advances in the past 300 years... you see my point?
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Chad Okere
that brings up a good point... how fast can you read? it's pretty obvious that the human bran has a lot of "bandwidth" into it, the eyes alone must be several gigabytes per second (two *very* highres uncompressed video streams) I would think that it cant really be compared on a 'conseptual' level. the brain is the best datacompressor in the world... you can remember every tone of a whole song, but there is no way that you could memorize the binary data that compises it...
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Chad Okere
I think that's a little rediculis, like saying quake2 is a couple of terrabites, beacus it shows a high resolution video for several hours...
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Chad Okere
Hrm, I liked the Lawn Mower man... although I never even botherd to see the 'sequil'
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Chad Okere
Um, trinity was hot enough for me :) I know another hot chick named Carrie, incedentaly..
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Chad Okere
In Jony Mnumonic(sp?) he could hold 80Gb, but he stored about 300, and there were supposedly some side efects (or somthing) the Matrix was a much cooler movie
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Chad Okere
When you're about to be hit by a truck, your brain tryes franticly to think of a way out... more and more complex ideas in a shorter amout of time, such that [thougts]--> infinity as [time] --> 0, (zero being the poing of impact) maybe some people survie beacuse thoughts didn't quite make it to the maximum point, or perhaps some people were running Linux, and some were running windows 98.... eventualy though, you'll over load any system... if a malloc() fails, then that's a pretty critical fault in and of itself, so the whole "self" applications dies, and takes you with it...
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Chad Okere
Oh yes, also, evolution *does* happen, you can observe it for your self in frut flys or bacteria... DNA changes, no matter what you say, you cannot change that (It has not been *proven* to be the starting point for all live, but there is no other resonable explanation)
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Chad Okere
Ok, I'm going to say this once: The second law of Thermodynamics ONLY APPLYES TO THERMODYNAMICS!!! For god sakes, it has nothing to do with biology. Thermodynamics being the general motion of large numbers of molecules. Also, it's ridicules to say that humans are more 'complex' thermodynamically then say, a piece of seaweed, it may seem that way to us, but it doesn't have any more 'randomness' then we do... the most 'chaotic' thing in the thermodynamics world is a homogeneous gas, but that 'seems' pretty simple doesn't it? As for "living matter" sprigging forth from "non-living" matter, well there really is no difference, "Life" biologically is just a complex loop of chemical reactions, nothing more. Despite the fact that we are alive, we are made of "non-living" matter. Some scientists did an experiment where they tried to replicate what they thought the world was like when life came about. Then they jammed tons of electricity into it (that would be like lightning on the primordial ooze) In ten hours the thing was filled with amino acids. So life *can* come from non-living matter. (they started with just water and nitrogen) in short, fuck off hrm.. btw I heard that the brain can hold 100Gb somewhere, not 13TB... It's not really comparable though... we really do need a better filesystem though... *sigh*
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Chad Okere
hrm... I'm a black person (well... half and half) and If I had a choice between going to a KKK meeting, and not exsisting, I'd go to the KKK meeting. If I were a clone I would be gratfull to whatever process created me, for without it, I would not exsist. anyway, the simple answer to your question is this: don't tell anyone who was cloned. keep it secret, no one knows, no one cares. its as simple as that
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Chad Okere
At the monment, I don't belive that There is much use for clones (anymore then there is use for the offspring resulting from sex, eg replenishing the human race). But for some couples, sex dosn't result in children.... I don't see anything insidius about this...
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Chad Okere
I have no problem slandering Islam, Or Scientology... Islam seems almost worse then Xstianity, and Scientology... well I just find that weird
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Chad Okere
Um.... If you have a brain, you have a "soul" assuming by that you mean consiousness
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Chad Okere
Don't some Ethernet Cards let you boot up remotely? this would solve a lot of problems I think... get an ATX case that can turn itself off through software, then boot of the ethernet... no need for serial cables ether :)
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Chad Okere
hrm.... I *really* doubt slashdot uses Microsoft Exchange... just a weird felling I get...
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Chad Okere
Really you can do that?!?! wow, then I declare myself the Undisputed Self Appointed Lord Of The Internet(tm)
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Chad Okere
I personaly think that's a good thing, I always thought it was kind of hypocritical for someone ot 'own' the words "open source" dispite what there intentions were... OSI certified is a better tool, I belive
:)
also: first post?
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Chad Okere
Hrm, a triangle with an eye in the center... a good Idea, beacuse in theory if they held all your data, they could look at it... (like they'd be useing any kind of encription)
but there is one problem... AOL already *has* that logo
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Chad Okere