Right, but my only point was that american helthcare was better then cuban, I still think that's true. America isn't that much farther from Brazill then Cuba is, whereas japan and sweeden are very, very far away.
It's exactly as useful as the original disk. Assuming I can duplicate the physical copy protection scheme
No, its not. Let me make this simple
Original disk = (encrypted data + decryption keys) = useful
Copied.VOB files = (encrypted data) = useless.
DeCSS'd.VOB files = (decrypted data) = useful Understand? Sure, its physically possible to duplicate the whole physical disk in one shot, That's what the piracy shops in Taiwan and HK do. But you can't do it with your home computer. The DVD-ROM drives (and I'm talking about the readers, not the writers, you can't even read the key space off the disk under normal operation, and you can only read one of the encrypted session keys to watch a movie, not all of them) they sell won't let you do it.
Nope, the drives themselves. I belive what the DeCSS guys did was brute force a bunch of player keys, and then use those... Also, aperantly the CSS encryption was so weak that it could be broken in 2^24th tries, or in practicaly real time. So no valied player keys were needed. Just read one of the session keys, brut-force decrypt it, and then use that decrypted key to decrypt the movie.
Ok, in order to decrypt the movie, the DVD player only needs to read one encrypted session key, not all of them (and you would need to reverse engineer the software player to find out how to decrypt that session key as well). If a certan session key were to get "Out" the MPAA companies could simply stop using it to encode.
However, with CSS you simply get the decrypted data off the disk (and then do whatever you want with it, watch it on linux or setup and Fserv on IRC, whatever). You don't need any keys then, and there's nothing the MPAA can do to stop it.
Please, all the major apps have been ported to windows by now, and PC's have always been the way to do 3d on the cheap (as opposed to sgi boxes). You don't need a mac to do graphics if you don't want.
Uh, I'm running apache on this box, and it's windows 98, and it works fine.. and its not running with huge numbers of instances, its running with two, but one of 'em has 51 threads. no win32 dosn't have fork, but I doubt that it would be that hard to rewrite for threads (since they did it...)
So quite your whining, and see it for what it is. A sure sign that you really don't want to work there. There really ARE better places to work. And you should try to find a place where intelligence counts. It's always a better environment.
Unless, of course, you have no intelligence.
The other day, I met someone who dropped out of Computer Science because they couldn't 'grok' the concept of header files and operator overloading....
Regarding your characterization of IE as "decent", please name a better browser available right now. Please don't waste my time with theories on how browsers should be fully W3-compliant, Mozilla will be great, blah, blah, blah. I want to see a browser that offers better rendering of web pages RIGHT NOW -- Javascript and all.
www.mozilla.org. It will be better, beacuse it is right now (well, better is relitive. It's more standars complient then IE, but its also slower)
Of course, I'm using the win32 version, if the Linux version is worse, it would certanly be ironic.
If these are the same people that think it's normal to have their computer crash twice a day, yes. They have been brainwashed.
Hrm... we arn't talking about win3.1, or MacOS here. Windows9x last a lot longer then 12 hours. right now Mine's been up for two days, (you can check it by going to http://delmoi.dhs.org if you don't belive me). Most of the people I know who run NT/2k have to reboot once a month. Of course, you can still say that win32 crashes twice daily, and people who know better will still think you're an idiot.
I'm sorry, by DVD-ROM I ment the drives that you stick in your computer to play DVD disks DVD-ROM Drives. Consumer DVD-ROM drives you buy on the market do not let you read all of the data on the disk, therefor, you cannot copy the entire DVD (encrypted movie + decryption keys) onto anything at all. understand now?
doesn't every single DVD player need to circumvent the copy protection in order for the video to be viewable
No, they only need to decrypt one copy session key, the one for that player. Not all of them, so they don't copy the entire DVD. The data they get off could be used to create a.VOB file that could be used only on there players. Of course, they do have raw output, but not as a.VOB file (so you'd lose a lot of the DVD goodies)
All software DVD players produce decrypted output that can be intercepted and used for the purpose of piracy. Not just DeCSS.
Yes, but DeCSS just makes it a lot easier, and, according to the MPAA, it's primary use is to bypass encryption. I don't agree with them on this, but it does make whole DVD copying much easier.
YES the DVD copy is usable, exactly as usable as the original. It is, after all, a copy. You still need a decoder to play it. In what way has CSS protected against this making of a totally usable copy? CSS is an access protection system.
NO, NO, NO! it is NOT usable, not in any way. If you copy a DVD without the key data, it cannot ever be decrypted (unless you brute force it, by using DeCSS). You CAN'T Play it in a windows player or whatever.
. A copy means, in this case, another DVD disc with the same data as the first.
When you copy using consumer DVD-ROM you DO NOT have a perfect copy of the DVD disk, you do not have the keys that are required to decrypt the DVD.
If you visit china you can return with a suitcase full of pirated dvd's
Last I checked, Round-trip to china was like $10,000... Hardly a value proposition.
Anyway, CSS was never supposed to stop massive linear piracy from a single source, but exponential piracy (Ie, I email it to you, you email it to your friends, etc, etc)
If I copy the bytes of a DVD onto another DVD (for this I need to obtain a truly blank DVD, not the consumer version which has the keyspace burned with zeroes),
Well, that's a pretty big if, because normal consumer DVD-ROM drives can not read that data without a hardware hack. With DeCSS, you don't need to. To pirate DVD's you need hundreds of thousands of dollars of equipment, or a Copy of DeCSS. You see why the MPAA wants to stop it?
Now, I'm not saying that DeCSS's only use is to copy DVDs, but it does give that ability to just about anyone.
CSS no more protects against copying than writing a message in code prevents it from being photocopied.
Um... if you photocopy a coded message, you still have nothing. Without the decryption keys, you have nothing. Without DeCSS all you have is a huge, useless, glob of data. You have nothing. With DeCSS you have copied a MOVIE. The MPAA doesn't care if you pirate huge, useless globs of data, they care about people pirating movies.
Wrong, it does. It is part of SCMS (Serial Copy Management System), used also in DAT machines.
"CD"s do not use SCMS, only audio-only CD-recorders... a device that kills SCMS on one of those would DMCA bait, but on regular computers with CD-Rs you can copy away without fear...
Finally someone who speaks the truth... The sad thing is, most people don't even know what the truth is, and would rather believe whatever goes along with whatever ideology they support. Quite sad. I've really learned a lot about human nature from DeCSS related slashdot stories...
Tibet is in Mainland China, fool... and your reading of American history, while patriotic, is certainly not accurate. Only about 30% of the people in the Colonies wanted separation, another 30% wanted to stay with the UK, and the rest didn't care.
We the People outnumber Them, the Leashholders by about, ohhh, a million to one...
Actually, its more like 2:1, or even 1:1... about half of the American population owns stock in major Corporations.
Actually, when you think about it, the same people you just decried were responsible for the American Revolution. The rich land owners, and media controlling, founders. Of course, they were pretty idealistic, but the major reason for the revolt was so that they (a long with other people) would get more money.
And don't hold all the founding fathers up on such a high moral plane. The initial federalist government actually passed (before the bill of rights was ratified) Sedition laws stating you couldn't say or print anything 'anti-government'. In fact, the original bill of rights contained 21 provisions, only 13 or so was passed (That's why there amendments), and a lot of people in the early government were against them.
No matter what you do, in human society, only a very few people can be 'completely free', everyone has to give up some freedom to the system to make it work (whether the system is an ethical one is another issue). And, if you look at human history (all of it, including china, etc) You will see that unless things are really bad, people just don't give a damn.
The actor needs to have been dead for quite some time before the data is posted online. While Steve Jakson could request his own data and put it on his website, the FBI couldn't just post anyone's they wanted to. In order for his records to be online, he would have had to have been dead for years before the raid (and probably, he would need to be famous outside a small group of hardcore RPG geeks, as well...)
Wealthy Brazilians have been known to go to Cuba to receive better health care.
WTF?? If they had the money to get to Cuba, then they could probably come here, The US has the best hospitals in a lot of the world, and certanly in the americas (Rich canadians come down here for medical treatment a lot). If they had money then they could certanly come here as well, Cuba's medical structure is terrible... I seriously doubt it could be worse then the US.
Also, while Brazil has some prettybad stuff going on, They are becoming a world power pretty quickly
Microsystems Software Inc. of Framingham, Mass., which sells the widely used Cyber Patrol,
Acourding to the artical, the Suit is being filed by Microsystems Software... Not Mattel, infact the string "Mattel" doesn't even appear in the artical whatsoever (case insensitive). Now this may be an outside peice of information that the author just happend to know, but from this it really dosn't look like Mattel ether makes this product or is filing suit. Do you have any backup that says it is Mattel?
The make process is on unix, Therir infistructure is NT. There code is almost certanly ether MFC, or some crossplatform widgetset. Ether way, there isn't really any porting going on at all...
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Right, but my only point was that american helthcare was better then cuban, I still think that's true. America isn't that much farther from Brazill then Cuba is, whereas japan and sweeden are very, very far away.
It's exactly as useful as the original disk. Assuming I can duplicate the physical copy protection scheme
.VOB files = (encrypted data) = useless.
.VOB files = (decrypted data) = useful Understand? Sure, its physically possible to duplicate the whole physical disk in one shot, That's what the piracy shops in Taiwan and HK do. But you can't do it with your home computer. The DVD-ROM drives (and I'm talking about the readers, not the writers, you can't even read the key space off the disk under normal operation, and you can only read one of the encrypted session keys to watch a movie, not all of them) they sell won't let you do it.
No, its not. Let me make this simple
Original disk = (encrypted data + decryption keys) = useful
Copied
DeCSS'd
Nope, the drives themselves. I belive what the DeCSS guys did was brute force a bunch of player keys, and then use those... Also, aperantly the CSS encryption was so weak that it could be broken in 2^24th tries, or in practicaly real time. So no valied player keys were needed. Just read one of the session keys, brut-force decrypt it, and then use that decrypted key to decrypt the movie.
Ok, in order to decrypt the movie, the DVD player only needs to read one encrypted session key, not all of them (and you would need to reverse engineer the software player to find out how to decrypt that session key as well). If a certan session key were to get "Out" the MPAA companies could simply stop using it to encode.
However, with CSS you simply get the decrypted data off the disk (and then do whatever you want with it, watch it on linux or setup and Fserv on IRC, whatever). You don't need any keys then, and there's nothing the MPAA can do to stop it.
Think about how much IIS sucks ass. Apache is a really elegant system, even on win32. Plus its free.
Mac for graphics
Please, all the major apps have been ported to windows by now, and PC's have always been the way to do 3d on the cheap (as opposed to sgi boxes). You don't need a mac to do graphics if you don't want.
Uh, I'm running apache on this box, and it's windows 98, and it works fine.. and its not running with huge numbers of instances, its running with two, but one of 'em has 51 threads. no win32 dosn't have fork, but I doubt that it would be that hard to rewrite for threads (since they did it...)
All those Apache servers are probably really running NT according to that logic
Heh, well my apache server is running on windows98! none of that NT crap for me!
http://delmoi.dhs.org
So quite your whining, and see it for what it is. A sure sign that you really don't want to work there. There really ARE better places to work. And you should try to find a place where intelligence counts. It's always a better environment.
Unless, of course, you have no intelligence.
The other day, I met someone who dropped out of Computer Science because they couldn't 'grok' the concept of header files and operator overloading....
Regarding your characterization of IE as "decent", please name a better browser available right now. Please don't waste my time with theories on how browsers should be fully W3-compliant, Mozilla will be great, blah, blah, blah. I want to see a browser that offers better rendering of web pages RIGHT NOW -- Javascript and all.
www.mozilla.org. It will be better, beacuse it is right now (well, better is relitive. It's more standars complient then IE, but its also slower)
Of course, I'm using the win32 version, if the Linux version is worse, it would certanly be ironic.
If these are the same people that think it's normal to have their computer crash twice a day, yes. They have been brainwashed.
Hrm... we arn't talking about win3.1, or MacOS here. Windows9x last a lot longer then 12 hours. right now Mine's been up for two days, (you can check it by going to http://delmoi.dhs.org if you don't belive me). Most of the people I know who run NT/2k have to reboot once a month. Of course, you can still say that win32 crashes twice daily, and people who know better will still think you're an idiot.
I'm sorry, by DVD-ROM I ment the drives that you stick in your computer to play DVD disks DVD-ROM Drives. Consumer DVD-ROM drives you buy on the market do not let you read all of the data on the disk, therefor, you cannot copy the entire DVD (encrypted movie + decryption keys) onto anything at all. understand now?
doesn't every single DVD player need to circumvent the copy protection in order for the video to be viewable
.VOB file that could be used only on there players. Of course, they do have raw output, but not as a .VOB file (so you'd lose a lot of the DVD goodies)
No, they only need to decrypt one copy session key, the one for that player. Not all of them, so they don't copy the entire DVD. The data they get off could be used to create a
All software DVD players produce decrypted output that can be intercepted and used for the purpose of piracy. Not just DeCSS.
Yes, but DeCSS just makes it a lot easier, and, according to the MPAA, it's primary use is to bypass encryption. I don't agree with them on this, but it does make whole DVD copying much easier.
YES the DVD copy is usable, exactly as usable as the original. It is, after all, a copy. You still need a decoder to play it. In what way has CSS protected against this making of a totally usable copy? CSS is an access protection system.
NO, NO, NO! it is NOT usable, not in any way. If you copy a DVD without the key data, it cannot ever be decrypted (unless you brute force it, by using DeCSS). You CAN'T Play it in a windows player or whatever.
. A copy means, in this case, another DVD disc with the same data as the first.
When you copy using consumer DVD-ROM you DO NOT have a perfect copy of the DVD disk, you do not have the keys that are required to decrypt the DVD.
If you visit china you can return with a suitcase full of pirated dvd's
Last I checked, Round-trip to china was like $10,000... Hardly a value proposition.
Anyway, CSS was never supposed to stop massive linear piracy from a single source, but exponential piracy (Ie, I email it to you, you email it to your friends, etc, etc)
If I copy the bytes of a DVD onto another DVD (for this I need to obtain a truly blank DVD, not the consumer version which has the keyspace burned with zeroes),
Well, that's a pretty big if, because normal consumer DVD-ROM drives can not read that data without a hardware hack. With DeCSS, you don't need to. To pirate DVD's you need hundreds of thousands of dollars of equipment, or a Copy of DeCSS. You see why the MPAA wants to stop it?
Now, I'm not saying that DeCSS's only use is to copy DVDs, but it does give that ability to just about anyone.
CSS no more protects against copying than writing a message in code prevents it from being photocopied.
Um... if you photocopy a coded message, you still have nothing. Without the decryption keys, you have nothing. Without DeCSS all you have is a huge, useless, glob of data. You have nothing. With DeCSS you have copied a MOVIE. The MPAA doesn't care if you pirate huge, useless globs of data, they care about people pirating movies.
Wrong, it does. It is part of SCMS (Serial Copy Management System), used also in DAT machines.
"CD"s do not use SCMS, only audio-only CD-recorders... a device that kills SCMS on one of those would DMCA bait, but on regular computers with CD-Rs you can copy away without fear...
Finally someone who speaks the truth... The sad thing is, most people don't even know what the truth is, and would rather believe whatever goes along with whatever ideology they support. Quite sad. I've really learned a lot about human nature from DeCSS related slashdot stories...
I still say that JK's use of the word 'firewall' is backwards, especially after his implied comparison with China.
That's beacuse your stupid.
both in mainland China and Tibet
Tibet is in Mainland China, fool... and your reading of American history, while patriotic, is certainly not accurate. Only about 30% of the people in the Colonies wanted separation, another 30% wanted to stay with the UK, and the rest didn't care.
We the People outnumber Them, the Leashholders by about, ohhh, a million to one...
Actually, its more like 2:1, or even 1:1... about half of the American population owns stock in major Corporations.
Actually, when you think about it, the same people you just decried were responsible for the American Revolution. The rich land owners, and media controlling, founders. Of course, they were pretty idealistic, but the major reason for the revolt was so that they (a long with other people) would get more money.
And don't hold all the founding fathers up on such a high moral plane. The initial federalist government actually passed (before the bill of rights was ratified) Sedition laws stating you couldn't say or print anything 'anti-government'. In fact, the original bill of rights contained 21 provisions, only 13 or so was passed (That's why there amendments), and a lot of people in the early government were against them.
No matter what you do, in human society, only a very few people can be 'completely free', everyone has to give up some freedom to the system to make it work (whether the system is an ethical one is another issue). And, if you look at human history (all of it, including china, etc) You will see that unless things are really bad, people just don't give a damn.
The actor needs to have been dead for quite some time before the data is posted online. While Steve Jakson could request his own data and put it on his website, the FBI couldn't just post anyone's they wanted to. In order for his records to be online, he would have had to have been dead for years before the raid (and probably, he would need to be famous outside a small group of hardcore RPG geeks, as well...)
Wealthy Brazilians have been known to go to Cuba to receive better health care.
WTF?? If they had the money to get to Cuba, then they could probably come here, The US has the best hospitals in a lot of the world, and certanly in the americas (Rich canadians come down here for medical treatment a lot). If they had money then they could certanly come here as well, Cuba's medical structure is terrible... I seriously doubt it could be worse then the US.
Also, while Brazil has some prettybad stuff going on, They are becoming a world power pretty quickly
Microsystems Software Inc. of Framingham, Mass., which sells the widely used Cyber Patrol,
Acourding to the artical, the Suit is being filed by Microsystems Software... Not Mattel, infact the string "Mattel" doesn't even appear in the artical whatsoever (case insensitive). Now this may be an outside peice of information that the author just happend to know, but from this it really dosn't look like Mattel ether makes this product or is filing suit. Do you have any backup that says it is Mattel?
The make process is on unix, Therir infistructure is NT. There code is almost certanly ether MFC, or some crossplatform widgetset. Ether way, there isn't really any porting going on at all...