Why Do people persist in stating this! Almost everyone needs DeCSS to make an illegal copy! Repeat after me: "You CANNOT MAKE A BIT FOR BIT COPY OF A DVD WITH A STANDARD DVD-ROM DRIVE". Since this what almost every one has, DeCSS is the only way to make copies of the movies for friends. If you try to just grab the data as an ISO image, or a.VOB file it will still be encrypted, but it cannot be played because the keys will not be there. Sure you could spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to buy the equipment needed, but what warez puppy is going to do that? On the other hand DeCSS makes it possible to grab perfect digital copies, as pure data removed from the medium. Shrink down to VCD, and your set. You might just make backups; you might just give it to a few friends. Or you might post it online for a couple hundred people do download (who in turn give it to a few hundred more)
Your right in that the MPAA isn't going to stop Taiwan pirates with CSS, and they never have had any intention, as far as I can see.
What they wanted to stop was your 15 year old warez puppies from posting VOBs in IRC. Think about it, Do you 'pay' for your illicit MP3s? What the MPAA is trying to do here is stop people from sharing with there friends perfect digital copies. The net only requires one original to get passed all over the world (there was most likely only one copy of the matrix originally leaked as VCD, but thousands of people have it)
If one warez person can make a copy and pass it to his friends, then there will be no stopping it. Just like DeCSS itself.
This isn't to say that I agree with the strong-arm tactics of the MPAA, In any way. In fact it makes me very angry. But I do understand why they are afraid
Are you saying it's impractical to copy a DVD video file? Have you ever used DeCSS? It's a Windows program!! the only way to use DeCSS to watch a movie in Linux would be to copy the file to your hard drive and then reboot.
css-auth is what lets you play DVDs in Linux right off the disk, and is a derivative of DeCSS (or at least uses the same ideas).
Really, the amount of doublethink on this board is shocking. We all know why DeCSS was made, and yet we persist in believing what we want.
Of course, to be really effective, you setup motion sensors on the boat and then the your sensors are wired to the boat's computer, which sends signals INVERSE to the force sensed by the sensors. If you could do it quick enough, it'd just cancel out and your brain would think you were rock steady...
Actualy, you wouldn't even need sensors in the boat, just the device.
He used the word in Iduro, and not Virtual Light. (I don't know about Mona Lisa Overdrive, but I would doubt it, since the book is a part of the sprawl series)
Btw, Iduro was way, way better then VL (I actualy got bored reading it, well a little bored). But All Tomorows Parties and Iduro really make up for it. I defenetly recomend reading all three books:)
Hey, I found some more pictures of linux babes on the the stileproject
http://www.stileproject.com/linux_chick.j pg a href=http://www.stileproject.com/linux_chick.jpg2> http://www.stileproject.com/linux_chick. jpg2 a href=http://www.stileproject.com/linux_chick.jpg3> http://www.stileproject.com/linux_chick. jpg3 a href=http://www.stileproject.com/linux_chick4.jpg> http://www.stileproject.com/linux_chick. jpg4 a href=http://www.stileproject.com/linux_chick.jpg5> http://www.stileproject.com/linux_chick. jpg5 Anyway...
I don't know if many people ever go to the site, but it's linked to on china.com and shares a lot of the same graphical apearence (like a sister site or somthing). I know china.com is owned partaly by the chinese government, does this mean that Taiwan.com is as well? It seems a little weird, like Iraq owning CNN.com or somthing here. Does anyone know the details?
It should be fairly easy to make a RAW rom for the DVD reader, read raw data, and create a new one in exactly the same way.
No, No, NO, It is not 'fairly easy' to do that. The DVD drives you buy for home use cannot read the tracks that store the keys in a 'normal' way. Only when playing back a movie, and only the key that corrisponds with the only player. Also, DVD-writers will not be able to write to those sectors. It *isn't* posible, and it never has been. Why do you people persist I stating this? Just beacuse some guy on TV couldn't articulate it dosn't mean it isn't true... *gah*.
I don't really see what's so bad about this. I mean, aside from being able to laugh at these guys for being so stupid in the first place, there's no real benefit to us (at this point) to have the DeCSS source available in the Court Docs. The injunction only affects a few websites, not the Internet as a whole. We don't need to have the source in the court docs, you can get it anywhere, even on a tee-shirt.
That isn't to say that I find this whole thing reprehensible, but this particular action doesn't really seem that bad. I think these guys'll probably get it sealed, and to be honest, I don't really see why it shouldn't be.
Well, I'm not a linguist, so I don't really know. However, I personally don't believe it to be true, I often find myself limited by the English language in my thoughts (like, i'll want to use a word that simply doesn't exist). That, in and of itself doesn't prove anything.
However, if it were true that we were limited to only thinking in terms we already know, how would new words come about? In order for a new word to arise, and idea needs to come about. Take for example the word cyberspace or doublethink. Both concepts can be expressed in words that existed before them, however those words had to come from somewhere as well. It would certainly be possible to think up an ethereal 'space' inside computers and there data without knowing the actual term that describes it. If it were impossible to think up concepts that cannot be described in words, then why would we need to constantly make up new words?
well, wince runs on x86, therefore crusoe. kind of a moot point.
Hrm, but you'd still need to licens the OS from MS. If caldera can price there CE compatiblity layer cheaper, then they'll be set. Windows 98 runs on x86 to, but that dosn't mean your standard linux box can run win32 apps. You need somthing like wine to do it.
For example, some GUI's were developed in C, even though I call them an advancement of C++. I'm just being practical here.
That's an odd statement. The first commercial GUI, the Mac OS was written in Pascal, as was windows (initially, some win32 functions even use the PASCAL calling thing, IIRC). The Xerox parc stuff was done in Smalltalk
OOP gives us an easy way to deal with GUIs, but They are not dependant in any way on it.
You stated in your post that you felt that java was good 'in theory' but that for practical purposes it was simply to slow. While this was true when java first came out, the speed has been icreasing quite a bit. There are other things that make java a bit slow, but I think realisticaly It could be used in a game. Carmak was even considering using it for plug-in moduals, but decided to implement his own dynamicaly compiled language (based on ansi-c) beacuse he wanted more control of the VM.
The man is an MS whore, And I'm not just trolling here. He's constantly saying that DirectX is easier then OpenGL. Why? because Microsoft helped him port Unreal (written in Glide) and they had to pay people to rewrite the Glide code to GL. Sweeny didn't do any of the work himself.
Even more surprising are his opinions on the Microsoft Case. He has actually said "If Microsoft hadn't been allowed to integrate TCP/IP and Internet Explorer, there would be no Unreal Tournament". I understand the TCP/IP, but I don't see what having an embedded browser has to do with a game... Could be that Sweeney's just on crack though...
Another nit to pick: the issue of whether or not one's native language restricts what one can think is a philosophical question,
No it isn't. This is exactly the field linguists study. Sure, you could say somthing like 'creationism/Evolution' is a philosophical question, and on one level it is. But there is no reason why a biologiest can't give you the correct sciantific answer.
One gets the feeling, or at least I do, that Caldera probably wishes that they hadn't been working on this. It's only been, what a week Since the Transmeta announcement?
I can't really see this getting that much market acceptance over the Embedded Linux that comes strait from linus for the Crusoe. I suppose there's a large market for 386's and stuff though.
A smart thing for Caldera to do would be to port there "CE compatibility layer" to Embedded Linux on the Crusoe, that would enable them to cash in on there hard work and still be useable in a Transmeta world (depending on whether or not Transmeta succeeds).
Oh well, its nice to see Linux getting a hold on the embedded market.
Most of the DOS function calls have been rewriten for windows. For instance, the IO calls. Disk IO is much faster in windows then it is in 'dos' mode. Quake also uses it's own Kernel, not DOS's
In that case, Caldera should sue Caldera for diluting their trademark on the name "Caldera". Then you'd have Caldera OpenLinux, and "The company formerly known as Caldera" OpenDOS...
Hrm, I suppose that could be possible, however I doubt it. I think the CEOs are pretty good frends, seeing how there the same person and all. The again, TicketMaster (paul allen) sued Microsoft, so...
If this doesn't prove Win9x is built on a DOS kernel, I don't know what does!
That's because your an idiot. I already covered a reply like that here. I notice you've used the words built and on to describe the relationship between windows and DOS. All you produce is anecdotal evidence for it. Editing config files proves nothing about the underlying structure of an operating system
Where exactly is the DOS kernel? I've seen people give instructions for memory location zero, but this, however would be the interupt vector table, not the "DOS kernel". The IVR is set by both the BIOS and by dos. If the Vector Table was really the DOS kernel, then it would prove without a doubt that its not the DOS kernel, beacuse win32 apps cannot ever call CPU interupts.
But, you wouldn't need to rewrite the Disk File. Just make an app and stick in the ~/.bashrc file or whatever. This would be detectable, but most people probably don't check there.bashrc files that often.
The idea I had was this, write a program that when run presents the user with a shell prompt, anything typed in gets passed to the bash shell underneth it, exsept keystroeks are recorded. The program is 'loaded' when the user starts the trogen, and sort of sits betwen the user and the TTY, if posible, otherwise between the TTY and bash. It captures input and output, and can see if someone uses su.
Yes, that's true. But, remember, Linux is not just a server OS. More and more people are starting to use on there home machines. And I really doubt that those boxes could be called "properly administered". if Delmoi's files get deleted, and Delmoi is the only user account, All that good security isn't going to be worth shit.
Anyway, I'm not saying that Linux is anywhere near where Windows is in viral susceptibility, but it is possible, and still not a good thing..
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Since no one needs deCSS to rip an illegal copy,
.VOB file it will still be encrypted, but it cannot be played because the keys will not be there. Sure you could spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to buy the equipment needed, but what warez puppy is going to do that? On the other hand DeCSS makes it possible to grab perfect digital copies, as pure data removed from the medium. Shrink down to VCD, and your set. You might just make backups; you might just give it to a few friends. Or you might post it online for a couple hundred people do download (who in turn give it to a few hundred more)
Why Do people persist in stating this! Almost everyone needs DeCSS to make an illegal copy! Repeat after me: "You CANNOT MAKE A BIT FOR BIT COPY OF A DVD WITH A STANDARD DVD-ROM DRIVE". Since this what almost every one has, DeCSS is the only way to make copies of the movies for friends. If you try to just grab the data as an ISO image, or a
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Your right in that the MPAA isn't going to stop Taiwan pirates with CSS, and they never have had any intention, as far as I can see.
What they wanted to stop was your 15 year old warez puppies from posting VOBs in IRC. Think about it, Do you 'pay' for your illicit MP3s? What the MPAA is trying to do here is stop people from sharing with there friends perfect digital copies. The net only requires one original to get passed all over the world (there was most likely only one copy of the matrix originally leaked as VCD, but thousands of people have it)
If one warez person can make a copy and pass it to his friends, then there will be no stopping it. Just like DeCSS itself.
This isn't to say that I agree with the strong-arm tactics of the MPAA, In any way. In fact it makes me very angry. But I do understand why they are afraid
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Are you saying it's impractical to copy a DVD video file? Have you ever used DeCSS? It's a Windows program!! the only way to use DeCSS to watch a movie in Linux would be to copy the file to your hard drive and then reboot.
css-auth is what lets you play DVDs in Linux right off the disk, and is a derivative of DeCSS (or at least uses the same ideas).
Really, the amount of doublethink on this board is shocking. We all know why DeCSS was made, and yet we persist in believing what we want.
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Of course, to be really effective, you setup motion sensors on the boat and then the your sensors are wired to the boat's computer, which sends signals INVERSE to the force sensed by the sensors. If you could do it quick enough, it'd just cancel out and your brain would think you were rock steady...
Actualy, you wouldn't even need sensors in the boat, just the device.
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The word was in somewhat common useage in the US before gibson's book, I think...
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He used the word in Iduro, and not Virtual Light. (I don't know about Mona Lisa Overdrive, but I would doubt it, since the book is a part of the sprawl series)
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Btw, Iduro was way, way better then VL (I actualy got bored reading it, well a little bored). But All Tomorows Parties and Iduro really make up for it. I defenetly recomend reading all three books
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Hey, I found some more pictures of linux babes on the the stileproject
> http://www.stileproject.com/linux_chick. jpg2 > http://www.stileproject.com/linux_chick. jpg3 > http://www.stileproject.com/linux_chick. jpg4 > http://www.stileproject.com/linux_chick. jpg5
http://www.stileproject.com/linux_chick.j pg
a href=http://www.stileproject.com/linux_chick.jpg2
a href=http://www.stileproject.com/linux_chick.jpg3
a href=http://www.stileproject.com/linux_chick4.jpg
a href=http://www.stileproject.com/linux_chick.jpg5
Anyway...
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I don't know if many people ever go to the site, but it's linked to on china.com and shares a lot of the same graphical apearence (like a sister site or somthing). I know china.com is owned partaly by the chinese government, does this mean that Taiwan.com is as well? It seems a little weird, like Iraq owning CNN.com or somthing here. Does anyone know the details?
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It should be fairly easy to make a RAW rom for the DVD reader, read raw data, and create a new one in exactly the same way.
No, No, NO, It is not 'fairly easy' to do that. The DVD drives you buy for home use cannot read the tracks that store the keys in a 'normal' way. Only when playing back a movie, and only the key that corrisponds with the only player. Also, DVD-writers will not be able to write to those sectors. It *isn't* posible, and it never has been. Why do you people persist I stating this? Just beacuse some guy on TV couldn't articulate it dosn't mean it isn't true... *gah*.
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I don't really see what's so bad about this. I mean, aside from being able to laugh at these guys for being so stupid in the first place, there's no real benefit to us (at this point) to have the DeCSS source available in the Court Docs. The injunction only affects a few websites, not the Internet as a whole. We don't need to have the source in the court docs, you can get it anywhere, even on a tee-shirt.
That isn't to say that I find this whole thing reprehensible, but this particular action doesn't really seem that bad. I think these guys'll probably get it sealed, and to be honest, I don't really see why it shouldn't be.
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Well, I'm not a linguist, so I don't really know. However, I personally don't believe it to be true, I often find myself limited by the English language in my thoughts (like, i'll want to use a word that simply doesn't exist). That, in and of itself doesn't prove anything.
However, if it were true that we were limited to only thinking in terms we already know, how would new words come about? In order for a new word to arise, and idea needs to come about. Take for example the word cyberspace or doublethink. Both concepts can be expressed in words that existed before them, however those words had to come from somewhere as well. It would certainly be possible to think up an ethereal 'space' inside computers and there data without knowing the actual term that describes it. If it were impossible to think up concepts that cannot be described in words, then why would we need to constantly make up new words?
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well, wince runs on x86, therefore crusoe. kind of a moot point.
Hrm, but you'd still need to licens the OS from MS. If caldera can price there CE compatiblity layer cheaper, then they'll be set. Windows 98 runs on x86 to, but that dosn't mean your standard linux box can run win32 apps. You need somthing like wine to do it.
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For example, some GUI's were developed in C, even though I call them an advancement of C++. I'm just being practical here.
That's an odd statement. The first commercial GUI, the Mac OS was written in Pascal, as was windows (initially, some win32 functions even use the PASCAL calling thing, IIRC). The Xerox parc stuff was done in Smalltalk
OOP gives us an easy way to deal with GUIs, but They are not dependant in any way on it.
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You stated in your post that you felt that java was good 'in theory' but that for practical purposes it was simply to slow. While this was true when java first came out, the speed has been icreasing quite a bit. There are other things that make java a bit slow, but I think realisticaly It could be used in a game. Carmak was even considering using it for plug-in moduals, but decided to implement his own dynamicaly compiled language (based on ansi-c) beacuse he wanted more control of the VM.
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The man is an MS whore, And I'm not just trolling here. He's constantly saying that DirectX is easier then OpenGL. Why? because Microsoft helped him port Unreal (written in Glide) and they had to pay people to rewrite the Glide code to GL. Sweeny didn't do any of the work himself.
Even more surprising are his opinions on the Microsoft Case. He has actually said "If Microsoft hadn't been allowed to integrate TCP/IP and Internet Explorer, there would be no Unreal Tournament". I understand the TCP/IP, but I don't see what having an embedded browser has to do with a game... Could be that Sweeney's just on crack though...
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Another nit to pick: the issue of whether or not one's native language restricts what one can think is a philosophical question,
No it isn't. This is exactly the field linguists study. Sure, you could say somthing like 'creationism/Evolution' is a philosophical question, and on one level it is. But there is no reason why a biologiest can't give you the correct sciantific answer.
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Nope, only a 300mhz PII/k6.
MS was actualy out saying that word2k would require a hardware upgrade. Its pretty sluggish on my 400mhz k6ii even.
I dont see how MS can keep this up, and I wonder what there going to do when we eventualy hit a brick wall with speed.
You should not have to upgrade your box just to type letters...
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One gets the feeling, or at least I do, that Caldera probably wishes that they hadn't been working on this. It's only been, what a week Since the Transmeta announcement?
I can't really see this getting that much market acceptance over the Embedded Linux that comes strait from linus for the Crusoe. I suppose there's a large market for 386's and stuff though.
A smart thing for Caldera to do would be to port there "CE compatibility layer" to Embedded Linux on the Crusoe, that would enable them to cash in on there hard work and still be useable in a Transmeta world (depending on whether or not Transmeta succeeds).
Oh well, its nice to see Linux getting a hold on the embedded market.
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Most of the DOS function calls have been rewriten for windows. For instance, the IO calls. Disk IO is much faster in windows then it is in 'dos' mode. Quake also uses it's own Kernel, not DOS's
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In that case, Caldera should sue Caldera for diluting their trademark on the name "Caldera". Then you'd have Caldera OpenLinux, and "The company formerly known as Caldera" OpenDOS...
Hrm, I suppose that could be possible, however I doubt it. I think the CEOs are pretty good frends, seeing how there the same person and all. The again, TicketMaster (paul allen) sued Microsoft, so...
Perhaps in a fit of self loathing, maybe..
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If this doesn't prove Win9x is built on a DOS kernel, I don't know what does!
That's because your an idiot. I already covered a reply like that here. I notice you've used the words built and on to describe the relationship between windows and DOS. All you produce is anecdotal evidence for it. Editing config files proves nothing about the underlying structure of an operating system
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Where exactly is the DOS kernel? I've seen people give instructions for memory location zero, but this, however would be the interupt vector table, not the "DOS kernel". The IVR is set by both the BIOS and by dos. If the Vector Table was really the DOS kernel, then it would prove without a doubt that its not the DOS kernel, beacuse win32 apps cannot ever call CPU interupts.
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So, if DOS was 16-bit, Amiga was 32-bit....
Um... Ok...
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But, you wouldn't need to rewrite the Disk File. Just make an app and stick in the ~/.bashrc file or whatever. This would be detectable, but most people probably don't check there .bashrc files that often.
The idea I had was this, write a program that when run presents the user with a shell prompt, anything typed in gets passed to the bash shell underneth it, exsept keystroeks are recorded. The program is 'loaded' when the user starts the trogen, and sort of sits betwen the user and the TTY, if posible, otherwise between the TTY and bash. It captures input and output, and can see if someone uses su.
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Yes, that's true. But, remember, Linux is not just a server OS. More and more people are starting to use on there home machines. And I really doubt that those boxes could be called "properly administered". if Delmoi's files get deleted, and Delmoi is the only user account, All that good security isn't going to be worth shit.
Anyway, I'm not saying that Linux is anywhere near where Windows is in viral susceptibility, but it is possible, and still not a good thing..
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