China has officaly started alowing the practice of Chistianity and budism in its borders, in strictly controled situations, therfor it could not be considred 'athiest'
As an athiest myself, I deplore the idea of restricting worship. Athism is not the desire to remove religion from the world, it simply the disbelife in god, nothing more.
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Its obvious that ESR was right in his swipes at RMS, telling him to "shut up and show me the code". I mean all he [rms] does is write brain-dead papers and project hard-core right-wing political viewpoints on the linux community. I mean, all he ever wrote was Gcc, I mean, what a lame little program. The open source community could have gotten along just fine with out it, now fetchmail on the other hand, how could we ever live with out it?
Seriously though, who ever elected ESR as our 'spokesperson'? Who voted for him? Certainly not I. as far as I can tell, he wrote Cat B and its successors (witch, ironically RMS calls 'Marxist utopianism'). Look, his writings convinced Netscape to open there code, and just look where they are now! RMS put a lot of hard work into actually coding and setting up the GNU system, like it or not GCC stands for what he believes in, all RMS does is write papers to appeal to corporate types so they can pay him lots of money to come and talk to him about how great 'open source' is.
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If linux alienates Fortune 500 companys, ESR suddenly looses a lot of money in speaking fees. Whats bad for ESR is bad for the 'community', at least, in his mind... -- "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Kintanon must believe that the Corpratist US government does not commit atrocities, is not oppressive, and should be widely associated with and endorsed by the linux community.
Most governments are bad, the US has committed 'atrocitys' just as china has, mostly out of its borders, but Kent state and Waco come to mind.
Though the US government may not be as bad as the Chinese, its still pretty bad, esp when talking about things like the NSA and bulding wiretaping into TCP ip. The tienanmin square riot was over 9 years ago, and china has gone through 3 leaders since then. They are actively trying to change to a more capitalist economic system. China under Jhang Zamin, or whoever, is not the same as Russia under Stalin -- "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
so, are facts the entirely subjective as well? oh my god! nothing's real at all! shit!
For some people, abortion is moraly wrong, for others its not. Plese don't assume that you're whacko libratarian ayn-rand whorshping 'morals' are in anyway absolute. -- "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
The whole "NSA_KEY" thing, dosn't really mean anything, however, the NSA *has* weakened the encryption on the products of Novell (Basicaly, for everyone else, the key was 56 bits, for the NSA, it was 40) -- "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
"Wei4 shem2.ma wo3.de xian3 shi4 qi4 shi4 lan2 se4" would be an exact word for word translation. Given that the poster didn't even know pin-yin, and that the word order can be radicaly diffrent in chinese, my guess is that he's Chinese (or Taiwanese, etc), and what he said would actually be something someone would say in China. Most people don't really pay attention to there grammar when the speak in English (or even post to slashdot), and the same might be true over there.
Of course I don't really know for sure. but thanks for the link to zhongwen.com, that's a sweet site:) -- "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Sorry, I've only been taking chinese for about 3 months, so I'm a little shaky. In my textbook 'weishem.ma' was translated simply as 'why', literaly as 'for what reason' not 'for what ', thats why I said "for what reason" in my translation.
from what I understand, the word for 'for' is 'dui\', as in "dui\ ni~, yong\ Linux hen rong/.yi" (for you, using Linux is easy).
I guess that's just another type of 'for', though. Doing a 'true' literal translation is imposible, due to the fact that the languages are pretty diffrent...
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you don't *have* to pay for windows ether, especialy if you live in a contry that dosn't enforce IP laws, like, uh, china... -- "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Would you say the same thing about Nazi Germany? just a question.
There are things that are morally wrong no matter what. Ideology doesn't mean shit, if it causes human suffering, its wrong, period.
Wether china does, or the extent of there violations are in question. And I don't have a problem with them using Linux. (In fact, I'm all for it). However, there are things that are never a question of perogrative.
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The "idea" of comunisim is to have a *very* weak government, China, and rusia are not true communist nations. communism is not about 'dictatorship' in anway.
I leanred this in highschool, why didn't you?
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Dude, Marxism fits perfectly with open source Ideals. I'm not a Marxist, but I'm not and idiot who believes '40s era propaganda ether...
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs". Perhaps you should take a high-school history class before spouting off. Marx didn't want a 'state corporation'; in fact he wanted no state government whatsoever. I learned this in high school, why didn't you?
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs". It doesn't work with finite resources, like food, but IP is infinite. Open source can in the 'real world' -- "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
You *can't* do that. Free software is free for everyone, not just the people you like... -- "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Funny how people also mention that Linux is the purest sense of Communism, while the Internet is the purest form of democracy.
Its not funny at all, It is certanly possible to have a 'democracy' in a 'comunist' contry, just look at the socialst states in Europe. Remember, Nazi germany was a capitalist democracy as well... -- "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Free software is free for everone, not just the people we like. We can't pick and choose who uses Linux, and who uses NT. There is nothing we can do to stop it. I personaly wouldn't mind my code being use by the chinese, if you have a real problem, don't use the GPL for you're code -- "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Remember, you don't *have* to pay software if you don't want to, and unlike the US, most people don't. Its all a matter of convinence, it's easyer, and less time consuming for an american to go out and buy '98, then finding and downloading it off the net.
In china, however, you can just buy a pirated CD in a store for cheap. -- "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
Do you really believe that China will honour the GPL? Do you think that Chinese programmers, payed by the Chinese government, will release all that they develop, along with source code, and will give credit to developers of code they used to build their programs?
Why wouldn't they? Really, what purpose would there be in Not releasing there code? Its not like theres a profit motive for them to keep it private, and giving out the code would go well with there 'ideals'.
Can you see the Chinese Intelligence Agency (what ever they might be called) releasing the code to the programs they have written to crack encoded messages, because the GPL says they should, after they used other people's code to assist them in their efforts?
Why would the GPL have any berring on this. I don't think there are any half-writen GPL'd code crackers out there, and even if there were I'm sure the chinese would want to write there own. (The GPL dosn't apply to code that hasn't been GPL'd, obviously). and even if they did use GPLd stuff, they still wouldn't be required to release it, beacuse it would be internal use... -- "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
If someone really wanted to, I'd be willing to bet that they could hide somthing in some obfuscated C, that no one would notice, esp if the comments didn't mention the 'hidden message'. Think about it, have you really looked over every line in the Linux TCP stack? are you *sure* you analized what the code was actualy doing, rather then what the comments said they were doing? are you sure you checked every memory addres, etc?
I don't think that there really are holes in linux, nor do I think that the chinese government put any in. But to be honest, you can't say that beacuse it's 'open-source' that its inherently secure. -- "Subtle mind control? Why do all these HTML buttons say 'Submit' ?"
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China has officaly started alowing the practice of Chistianity and budism in its borders, in strictly controled situations, therfor it could not be considred 'athiest'
As an athiest myself, I deplore the idea of restricting worship. Athism is not the desire to remove religion from the world, it simply the disbelife in god, nothing more.
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Its obvious that ESR was right in his swipes at RMS, telling him to "shut up and show me the code". I mean all he [rms] does is write brain-dead papers and project hard-core right-wing political viewpoints on the linux community. I mean, all he ever wrote was Gcc, I mean, what a lame little program. The open source community could have gotten along just fine with out it, now fetchmail on the other hand, how could we ever live with out it?
Seriously though, who ever elected ESR as our 'spokesperson'? Who voted for him? Certainly not I. as far as I can tell, he wrote Cat B and its successors (witch, ironically RMS calls 'Marxist utopianism'). Look, his writings convinced Netscape to open there code, and just look where they are now! RMS put a lot of hard work into actually coding and setting up the GNU system, like it or not GCC stands for what he believes in, all RMS does is write papers to appeal to corporate types so they can pay him lots of money to come and talk to him about how great 'open source' is.
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If linux alienates Fortune 500 companys, ESR suddenly looses a lot of money in speaking fees. Whats bad for ESR is bad for the 'community', at least, in his mind...
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Kintanon must believe that the Corpratist US government does not commit atrocities, is not oppressive, and should be widely associated with and endorsed by the linux community.
Most governments are bad, the US has committed 'atrocitys' just as china has, mostly out of its borders, but Kent state and Waco come to mind.
Though the US government may not be as bad as the Chinese, its still pretty bad, esp when talking about things like the NSA and bulding wiretaping into TCP ip. The tienanmin square riot was over 9 years ago, and china has gone through 3 leaders since then. They are actively trying to change to a more capitalist economic system. China under Jhang Zamin, or whoever, is not the same as Russia under Stalin
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The development may be communist, but not Stalinist communist
nope, it's Stalmenist!
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And it's made from people! PEOPLE!!
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so, are facts the entirely subjective as well? oh my god! nothing's real at all! shit!
For some people, abortion is moraly wrong, for others its not. Plese don't assume that you're whacko libratarian ayn-rand whorshping 'morals' are in anyway absolute.
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The whole "NSA_KEY" thing, dosn't really mean anything, however, the NSA *has* weakened the encryption on the products of Novell (Basicaly, for everyone else, the key was 56 bits, for the NSA, it was 40)
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wo3.de zhong1 wen3 shui3.peng bu2gou4 gao1, ye3.shi wo3 shi4 ben4 mei3 guo3 ren2. :(
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"Wei4 shem2.ma wo3.de xian3 shi4 qi4 shi4 lan2 se4" would be an exact word for word translation. Given that the poster didn't even know pin-yin, and that the word order can be radicaly diffrent in chinese, my guess is that he's Chinese (or Taiwanese, etc), and what he said would actually be something someone would say in China. Most people don't really pay attention to there grammar when the speak in English (or even post to slashdot), and the same might be true over there.
:)
Of course I don't really know for sure. but thanks for the link to zhongwen.com, that's a sweet site
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Sorry, I've only been taking chinese for about 3 months, so I'm a little shaky. In my textbook 'weishem.ma' was translated simply as 'why', literaly as 'for what reason' not 'for what ', thats why I said "for what reason" in my translation.
from what I understand, the word for 'for' is 'dui\', as in "dui\ ni~, yong\ Linux hen rong/.yi" (for you, using Linux is easy).
I guess that's just another type of 'for', though. Doing a 'true' literal translation is imposible, due to the fact that the languages are pretty diffrent...
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150 million?
I think you're off by a few orders of maginitude there. or at least one.
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From what I've read CDMA really does sound better, you're actualy using TCP/IP on each device. Its really quite cool, and elegant.
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uh... 'ren' 'qiueshur'
get a clue. Chinese do also have an 'l' sound
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you don't *have* to pay for windows ether, especialy if you live in a contry that dosn't enforce IP laws, like, uh, china...
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What one country does is their prerogative.
Would you say the same thing about Nazi Germany? just a question.
There are things that are morally wrong no matter what. Ideology doesn't mean shit, if it causes human suffering, its wrong, period.
Wether china does, or the extent of there violations are in question. And I don't have a problem with them using Linux. (In fact, I'm all for it). However, there are things that are never a question of perogrative.
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I think christianity's killed a lot more
(esp when you consider % of world population)
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The "idea" of comunisim is to have a *very* weak government, China, and rusia are not true communist nations. communism is not about 'dictatorship' in anway.
I leanred this in highschool, why didn't you?
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Dude, Marxism fits perfectly with open source Ideals. I'm not a Marxist, but I'm not and idiot who believes '40s era propaganda ether...
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs". Perhaps you should take a high-school history class before spouting off. Marx didn't want a 'state corporation'; in fact he wanted no state government whatsoever. I learned this in high school, why didn't you?
"From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs". It doesn't work with finite resources, like food, but IP is infinite. Open source can in the 'real world'
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You *can't* do that. Free software is free for everyone, not just the people you like...
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Funny how people also mention that Linux is the purest sense of Communism, while the Internet is the purest form of democracy.
Its not funny at all, It is certanly possible to have a 'democracy' in a 'comunist' contry, just look at the socialst states in Europe. Remember, Nazi germany was a capitalist democracy as well...
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Free software is free for everone, not just the people we like. We can't pick and choose who uses Linux, and who uses NT. There is nothing we can do to stop it. I personaly wouldn't mind my code being use by the chinese, if you have a real problem, don't use the GPL for you're code
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Remember, you don't *have* to pay software if you don't want to, and unlike the US, most people don't. Its all a matter of convinence, it's easyer, and less time consuming for an american to go out and buy '98, then finding and downloading it off the net.
In china, however, you can just buy a pirated CD in a store for cheap.
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Do you really believe that China will honour the GPL? Do you think that Chinese programmers, payed by the Chinese government, will release all that they develop, along with source code, and will give credit to developers of code they used to build their programs?
Why wouldn't they? Really, what purpose would there be in Not releasing there code? Its not like theres a profit motive for them to keep it private, and giving out the code would go well with there 'ideals'.
Can you see the Chinese Intelligence Agency (what ever they might be called) releasing the code to the programs they have written to crack encoded messages, because the GPL says they should, after they used other people's code to assist them in their efforts?
Why would the GPL have any berring on this. I don't think there are any half-writen GPL'd code crackers out there, and even if there were I'm sure the chinese would want to write there own. (The GPL dosn't apply to code that hasn't been GPL'd, obviously). and even if they did use GPLd stuff, they still wouldn't be required to release it, beacuse it would be internal use...
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If someone really wanted to, I'd be willing to bet that they could hide somthing in some obfuscated C, that no one would notice, esp if the comments didn't mention the 'hidden message'. Think about it, have you really looked over every line in the Linux TCP stack? are you *sure* you analized what the code was actualy doing, rather then what the comments said they were doing? are you sure you checked every memory addres, etc?
I don't think that there really are holes in linux, nor do I think that the chinese government put any in. But to be honest, you can't say that beacuse it's 'open-source' that its inherently secure.
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