Let's not forget that while it seems that way, the corporate world is not a big homogenous mess. Why should GM or Bank of America care whether or not they help with a common... compiler or web server?
Unfortunately, many non-computer companies think that their computer projects are part of their core competencies.
So, what am I saying: there should be lots of companies willing to spend a few bucks for the OSS effort. But as long as the corporate managers do not understand their own business, it could be tough.
If you buy a house, you have to fix the leaky sink. If you rent a house, the landlord has to fix it. I bet the CIOs are banking on a similar liability lying with Microsoft. IOW, M$'s standard disclaimer should carry less weight in a leasing situation.
It seems like a bit of a showdown, however. If the CIO owns the product, the only way M$ can get them to buy again is with new features or bugfixes. If the CIO has to keep paying to use it, there is no motivation for M$ to improve the product.
Take your analogy another step: over the past 10-15 years, there has been a big push by auto makers to encourage customers to lease cars. After 2-4 years, return your old car, begin a lease on a new one.
Similarly, Microsoft is switching largely to this new leasing model.
And in both instances, it is for the same reasons: features are no longer improving. During the 50's, 60's, there were model year changes in autos each year. Look at the shoebox Chevy's (55-57) While having the same underpinnings, each year had different trim, a new look, etc. Flash forward to the 'new' shoebox Chevy, the '87-'93 Ford Mustang. Almost identical. Not even the cosmetic changes of the older models.
Now look at Microsoft: big difference between Win 3.1 and Win '95. Not so big to '98, not so big to ME...
There is no technological need to upgrade in either industry. So force a revenue stream by only renting the product.
(BTW, I hope and prey that Bob Lutz will help get GM in gear. I've never owned a GM, and while there is nothing inherently wrong with their product, there is no compelling reason to buy it. DCX really screwed up when they let him go.)
(licensing)
Finally, a decent answer on this topic about why Macs might not be the right solution. Now, I kinda doubt it, given the way the question was asked, but at least you gave an answer, not flamage.
FWIW, I think that the original poster needs to get in here and clarify himself a little bit.
Negative meta-mod. I used to mod once or twice a week, and the burn rate on my karma was outrageous. And it's not as if anything I was modding was particularly odd or inappropriate. I tried following the guidelines, but it seems that many meta-modders don't understand them. I tried the 'underrated/overrated' trick for a while, but that was too dishonest. So I just marked 'unwilling to mod'.
I heard this on NPR last night. Kinda annoying, since I find sugar too cloying and not flavorful enough for cooking. My wife, however, likes sweet things, so I use honey or molasses instead.
The other problem is that I picked up a book on making mead, and was hoping to start that soon. Guess it's time to look for my grandfather's old hives...
Thank you for the support. If you can't tolerate your job, much of the rest of your life becomes miserable. If minimizing my dealings with M$ makes my quality of life better at the expense of changing jobs or some level of salary, that's my frickin' choice.
It's actually a well known phenomena: as a business expands, cash-flow becomes absolutely crucial. That's why many businesses flounder in the middle of an expansion.
Anyone with an MBA (yours truly) should have learned this somewhere along the line. See, we do occasionally serve a purpose:)
Bandwidth costs. When it is a hobbyist site, the co-lo fees are cheap. But when big conglomerate buys/markets site, you get more hits, need more bandwidth, etc. Costs more money.
As you already said, it is on kernel.org. Unfortunately, it seems to be missing on the mirrors at this point. At least the patch from 2.4.10 to 2.4.11 was missing the five or six times I tried ftp.us.kernel.org (at which point I gave up and hit ftp.kernel.org)
Maybe that's why it wasn't 'announced' yet on www.kernel.org: mirrors hadn't picked it up yet.
IANAKH (I am not a kernel hacker) but I think 2.4.10 was a pretty big change (big VM changes. VM has been bad/odd since at least 2.4.0 according to kt.zork.net) That leads me to believe there will be at least a couple of more patches before 2.5 gets really going. I imagine it will take a little while for Alan Cox to really get with it and accept the new VM. (But I don't presume to speak for the man, so take that with a grain of salt).
In any event, I doubt that the 2.4 series will go down in Linux history as anything great.
"Misappropriated tax dollars" "Representative are aware", etc. Christ, you probably yell at cops when they write you speeding tickets and tell them that you're paying their salary.
No, actually, I don't. But I do yell at cops who are speeding w/o lights and siren, cops who run speed traps in absurd areas, cops who impede traffic when making a stop, etc.
Standardizing on a single platform is not necessarily a good goal. Note that this was for their intranets. Why would Win2k and Win2k only be the best choice? Answer: it isn't.
While I didn't vote for Dubya, I do agree with at least one thing he said (paraphrased): we're not giving you back the government's money; we're giving you back your money. Taxes are my money. I'm entirely within my right to demand that it be spent how I feel.
A friend of the family works at Navy Intelligence. I had planned on applying there (wanted to get out of healthcare industry) but changed my mind after finding out this information. I don't mind working on Win-boxen. Hell, that's what keeps me busy here at work. But for a few jobs, the Linux boxes are cheaper and work better.
There is no reason to pick Win2k by fiat. The right tool should be picked for the job. I cannot work somewhere where there is NO possiblity of that happening.
As an aside, I also cannot stand my tax dollars being misappropriated in this manner. Yes, my representatives are aware of my feelings.
But to look elsewhere in the comments, how do they do this and not break versions 2,3,4,etc.?
Would using checksums of parts in RAM work across several clients? IOW, if they give data 'foo' to 20 clients, will the checksum always be 'bar' from each of the 20 clients? And how long would this last? Now that a certain baseline is established, aren't further changing merely incremental, and thus, easier to adapt to?
Why couldn't you set up a linux gateway? Get your local ISP (or university service) set up roomie's Winbox with a tcp/ip card with linux as default gateway. Then install/setup AOL with 'Bring your own access' or whatever they call it. Heck, he can even save $2 per month that way.
One way that's been discussed here before is to alter the protocol to request a selected checksum of the executable. Now the only way you can answer this checksum query is to have an actual copy of the AOL client. This still does not make it impossible to implement an Open Source client.
Hmm, need a copy of the AOL client? I've got two copies here on my desk at work, my copy of the Godfather Trilogy is at home, ordered from Amazon, so there might be a disk in there, I might order from Tiger Computers in the next few days, so they'll send a disc, I saw one of the PC rags at the grocery store the other day with a disc, and I know I just threw away one of those that came unsolicited at home just last Saturday.
So, while I can't put up an ftp site with a copy of it, I'm sure there must be one or two people with an unwanted copy of the client.
Not sure why you say that most people expect to do this with little to no losses, and no footwork by US soldiers. Where I work, 90% of the employees have no college education. About 25% have family either currently in the armed forces, or very recently out.
Overwhelmingly, they expect that their sons, daughters, brothers, will be put in danger. They have accepted what Bush and others have said: it's gonna take soldiers on foot.
Perhaps they are more savvy than the average citizen. But even those rather far removed from those in the military accept it. What they do seem to want is for us to use as many smart bombs and other technological means prior to putting troops on the ground.
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Let's not forget that while it seems that way, the corporate world is not a big homogenous mess. Why should GM or Bank of America care whether or not they help with a common... compiler or web server?
Unfortunately, many non-computer companies think that their computer projects are part of their core competencies.
So, what am I saying: there should be lots of companies willing to spend a few bucks for the OSS effort. But as long as the corporate managers do not understand their own business, it could be tough.
If you buy a house, you have to fix the leaky sink. If you rent a house, the landlord has to fix it. I bet the CIOs are banking on a similar liability lying with Microsoft. IOW, M$'s standard disclaimer should carry less weight in a leasing situation.
It seems like a bit of a showdown, however. If the CIO owns the product, the only way M$ can get them to buy again is with new features or bugfixes. If the CIO has to keep paying to use it, there is no motivation for M$ to improve the product.
Take your analogy another step: over the past 10-15 years, there has been a big push by auto makers to encourage customers to lease cars. After 2-4 years, return your old car, begin a lease on a new one.
Similarly, Microsoft is switching largely to this new leasing model.
And in both instances, it is for the same reasons: features are no longer improving. During the 50's, 60's, there were model year changes in autos each year. Look at the shoebox Chevy's (55-57) While having the same underpinnings, each year had different trim, a new look, etc. Flash forward to the 'new' shoebox Chevy, the '87-'93 Ford Mustang. Almost identical. Not even the cosmetic changes of the older models.
Now look at Microsoft: big difference between Win 3.1 and Win '95. Not so big to '98, not so big to ME...
There is no technological need to upgrade in either industry. So force a revenue stream by only renting the product.
(BTW, I hope and prey that Bob Lutz will help get GM in gear. I've never owned a GM, and while there is nothing inherently wrong with their product, there is no compelling reason to buy it. DCX really screwed up when they let him go.)
Go use KDE and play with the adults. Or at least the people who don't make it difficult to install on non-RH based 56k dial-up modems.
(licensing)
Finally, a decent answer on this topic about why Macs might not be the right solution. Now, I kinda doubt it, given the way the question was asked, but at least you gave an answer, not flamage.
FWIW, I think that the original poster needs to get in here and clarify himself a little bit.
like Monopoly, Clue, etc. are cheap (around $5-$10 per copy).
Sorry if that isn't hard core enough. But after a few games, just say "honey, this is boring. let's go to bed"
(Wink, wink, nudge, nudge, knowwhatImean)
Tried your email address and it got bounced. Had a few questions. Could you email to:
ghowell@familyhealthcarepa.com
Thanks.
Negative meta-mod. I used to mod once or twice a week, and the burn rate on my karma was outrageous. And it's not as if anything I was modding was particularly odd or inappropriate. I tried following the guidelines, but it seems that many meta-modders don't understand them. I tried the 'underrated/overrated' trick for a while, but that was too dishonest. So I just marked 'unwilling to mod'.
Is it easily marked on the containers? Any way to be sure other than buying roadside?
If I wasn't a karma whore, thus refusing to mod, I'd have to give that a +1, Funny.
I heard this on NPR last night. Kinda annoying, since I find sugar too cloying and not flavorful enough for cooking. My wife, however, likes sweet things, so I use honey or molasses instead.
The other problem is that I picked up a book on making mead, and was hoping to start that soon. Guess it's time to look for my grandfather's old hives...
It's also great for those of us who don't want pc's in our living rooms.
Thank you for the support. If you can't tolerate your job, much of the rest of your life becomes miserable. If minimizing my dealings with M$ makes my quality of life better at the expense of changing jobs or some level of salary, that's my frickin' choice.
It's actually a well known phenomena: as a business expands, cash-flow becomes absolutely crucial. That's why many businesses flounder in the middle of an expansion.
Anyone with an MBA (yours truly) should have learned this somewhere along the line. See, we do occasionally serve a purpose:)
Bandwidth costs. When it is a hobbyist site, the co-lo fees are cheap. But when big conglomerate buys/markets site, you get more hits, need more bandwidth, etc. Costs more money.
The site becomes a victim of its own success.
As you already said, it is on kernel.org. Unfortunately, it seems to be missing on the mirrors at this point. At least the patch from 2.4.10 to 2.4.11 was missing the five or six times I tried ftp.us.kernel.org (at which point I gave up and hit ftp.kernel.org)
Maybe that's why it wasn't 'announced' yet on www.kernel.org: mirrors hadn't picked it up yet.
IANAKH (I am not a kernel hacker) but I think 2.4.10 was a pretty big change (big VM changes. VM has been bad/odd since at least 2.4.0 according to kt.zork.net) That leads me to believe there will be at least a couple of more patches before 2.5 gets really going. I imagine it will take a little while for Alan Cox to really get with it and accept the new VM. (But I don't presume to speak for the man, so take that with a grain of salt).
In any event, I doubt that the 2.4 series will go down in Linux history as anything great.
Shit. I just fed the troll. Sorry.
(I actually don't mind feeding trolls with accounts. It's the nameless bastards I have a problem with)
No, actually, I don't. But I do yell at cops who are speeding w/o lights and siren, cops who run speed traps in absurd areas, cops who impede traffic when making a stop, etc.
Standardizing on a single platform is not necessarily a good goal. Note that this was for their intranets. Why would Win2k and Win2k only be the best choice? Answer: it isn't.
While I didn't vote for Dubya, I do agree with at least one thing he said (paraphrased): we're not giving you back the government's money; we're giving you back your money. Taxes are my money. I'm entirely within my right to demand that it be spent how I feel.
A friend of the family works at Navy Intelligence. I had planned on applying there (wanted to get out of healthcare industry) but changed my mind after finding out this information. I don't mind working on Win-boxen. Hell, that's what keeps me busy here at work. But for a few jobs, the Linux boxes are cheaper and work better.
There is no reason to pick Win2k by fiat. The right tool should be picked for the job. I cannot work somewhere where there is NO possiblity of that happening.
As an aside, I also cannot stand my tax dollars being misappropriated in this manner. Yes, my representatives are aware of my feelings.
But to look elsewhere in the comments, how do they do this and not break versions 2,3,4,etc.?
Would using checksums of parts in RAM work across several clients? IOW, if they give data 'foo' to 20 clients, will the checksum always be 'bar' from each of the 20 clients? And how long would this last? Now that a certain baseline is established, aren't further changing merely incremental, and thus, easier to adapt to?
Why couldn't you set up a linux gateway? Get your local ISP (or university service) set up roomie's Winbox with a tcp/ip card with linux as default gateway. Then install/setup AOL with 'Bring your own access' or whatever they call it. Heck, he can even save $2 per month that way.
Hmm, need a copy of the AOL client? I've got two copies here on my desk at work, my copy of the Godfather Trilogy is at home, ordered from Amazon, so there might be a disk in there, I might order from Tiger Computers in the next few days, so they'll send a disc, I saw one of the PC rags at the grocery store the other day with a disc, and I know I just threw away one of those that came unsolicited at home just last Saturday.
So, while I can't put up an ftp site with a copy of it, I'm sure there must be one or two people with an unwanted copy of the client.
Not sure why you say that most people expect to do this with little to no losses, and no footwork by US soldiers. Where I work, 90% of the employees have no college education. About 25% have family either currently in the armed forces, or very recently out.
Overwhelmingly, they expect that their sons, daughters, brothers, will be put in danger. They have accepted what Bush and others have said: it's gonna take soldiers on foot.
Perhaps they are more savvy than the average citizen. But even those rather far removed from those in the military accept it. What they do seem to want is for us to use as many smart bombs and other technological means prior to putting troops on the ground.
Geez, at least one person saw the humor.