I know 6 marines 3 army..whatevers..and 1 airman. 4 of the marines and 1 of the army guys fit that description. We all used to play rugby so maybe that's a heavy bias...I never said killers..just impulsive, in need of "the hunt," and always trying to hook up.
Yeah but it's unrealistic to expect people to give up carbs entirely. If you work out a lot (as in me) or have a physically stressful job then you need carbs to not feel like shit 24/7.
I have yet to find any evidence that is convincing that GMO wheat is unhealthy simply by virtue of being a GMO. The only "study" I've seen uses extremely sloppy methodology over only 5 years, and "hammers the point home" with a bunch of pictures of completely unrelated disorders causing massive benign tumors. These are the same tactics PETA uses, and are equally disgusting and shameful. There has not been a single study done that has conclusively proven GMOs are bad. I welcome evidence to the contrary.
Either way people are going to eat noodles of some kind one way or another. Spinach noodles are as close as you can come to "healthy pasta" which is why I suggested it. I hope I don't ever have to use pasta to make my food stretch again, but for some it's necessary.
Personally if I don't eat at least some carbs I can't function. Personally I will become hypoglemic and it greatly reduces my mental function. This is not a short term thing, as the longest no-carb diet I've done was 8 weeks. I become ketonic as well, and was strongly advised by my doctor never to do it again.
Carbs are absolutely required, but not refined carbs. There is a big difference between a potato and hamburger helper/ramen. There is a massive difference between refined carbs in fried foods and the carbs in say apples. You may not eat carbs, but a lot of people do not feel even remotely close to 100% without carbs. Personally going without carbs would be a major issue, but even for people without blood sugar issues it would be. I've had A1Cs done and I'm not even pre-diabetec...I'm just predisposed to hypoglycemia for whatever reason.
Either way you can't eat fats and proteins as 100% of your diet. You can link me to whatever book from whatever doctor you wish, but they are a minority for good reason. If taken too far of course you can develop things like insulin resistance and obesity. Your brain needs carbohydrates plain and simple. Anyone that says anyone ONE thing is the problem in the context of health is wrong every single time. You can't completely dismiss fats as a problem in our society for one food. Maybe grains are the largest problem, but they are closely backed by fats and sugars. Lipids are more readily converted into lipids...and SIMPLE sugars are converted almost equally readily.
Health is a lot more complicated than just one factor. As to your body needing carbs here are two "relatively trusted" sites that give more info:
It's not that your brain needs the carbohydrates, as it can get it's energy from glucose. It's the ketone and aldehyde buildup due to the much higher conversion energy that impairs you . Also GMO doesn't equal bad. In my experience (albeit with a higher predisposition) was minor shaking, confusion, and unbearable fatigue.
I agree corn subsidies absolutely need to end GMO or not. The excess is used for corn syrups of various varieties any of which is highly addictive. Sugar is not necessary for a healthy diet in any way shape or form.
I strongly disagree. A lot of the people in our armed forces practically run on testosterone. For them, and most, it is absolutely a need. Lets just turn this into nam pt 2 and do away w consensual hookups in favor of rape I guess.
I was simply using it as an example. No one thing is a problem it's a combination of factors. The 2 foods I mentioned were treat (spam substitute) which contains massive amounts of saturated fats, and the other was ramen noodles. I don't know what ramen noodles are made from, but it's probably even worse than semolina as far as refined carbs go. Then fried in peanut oil. How about hamburger helper? Hamburger helper is essentially (enriched) semolina, low quality (most likely) ground beef, and a fatty sauce with corn syrup. This is literally a perfect storm of horrible health, and provides one of the highest calorie/$ ratings (which you're after if you're poor.) What I'm trying to say is that it's not one thing:
The saturated and trans fats in the sauce and ground beef can be turned into fat readily. All the foods you listed above contain mostly unsaturated fats. Your body needs fat of course, but too much is a bad thing. A single bowl of hamburger helper is too much. The saturated fat raises your HDL cholesterol and the trans fats both raise HDL and lower LDL. It also tends to contribute to obesity raising your tendency towards major health issues. Both of these have major negative effect on metabolism. Most of these foods also contain straight cholesterol.
As you said the carbs are very bad for you as well. In this case you have refined carbohydrates en masse. They further hamper your bodies metabolic ability. Not only that but foods high in the refined carbs have extremely high GI. The higher the GI the greater the ability to raise your blood glucose. An overworked pancreas can lead to diabetes, relative hypoglecemia, and a host of other issues. This also puts significantly more stress on your liver as it has to secrete more enzymes. Also, as you said they contribute greatly to weight gain. They severely impair your metabolic ability.
Then you have the corn syrup which has all the negatives of the carbs (it includes them) with the added negatives of sugar. So it is more readily converted to fat than the refined carbs (closer to the fats), but has all the pancreatic and liver implications of the carbs.
There is no one thing that is "the problem." Even if there was most of the food that provide cheap calories contain everything that could conceivably be considered "the problem." I know quite a bit about health and nutrition now. I learned about halfway through being poor, and it definitely improved my life. Not just being skinny again, but how I felt in general. Avacado is one of the greatest things in the world.
I know it sounds like an exaggeration, but most of the group I refer to don't have time to sit down and read a book. To an extent I had that luxury, but working 10 hour days in a blue collar job takes it's toll. You basically pay your bills online, eat some meager, quick meal (such as the above) and go to bed. I couldn't even imagine that situation with kids...and a single parent with a kid or kids..I don't even know how that's possible. Luckily I think those cases qualify for assistance at my previous income level. [Random Advice] Some really good foods if you're not quite broke, but close: Hing: This has a savoury flavour reminiscent of MSG. Many use it as a salt replacement and studies show it is significantly healthier than either salt or MSG. You still need sodium and/or salt but this will help cut down on it. It's about $8 for a bottle of it, but it lasts for 6 months or better.
Avacados: One of the best calories/$ measures in any healthy ish food. Lots of vitamins and minerals per calorie. You can use it to raise the calorie content of relatively healthy, cheap, food.
Low Sodium Chili: One of the other best calorie/$ out there, and not terrible for you. It's a bit more expensive than ramen, but it's a lot tastier, and significantly healthier. Not exactly "healthy" but it's no hamburger helper.
Navy Beans and Lima/Butter Beans seasoned with a small bit of vegetable oil with hing in it
Replace pasta with rice it's a lot healthier. Not necessa
I can't say our healthcare system is very good. However I also don't think the AHA is a good idea in the least. The patient protection built into it is a good idea...however the implementation of the business mandate seems to heavily favour the rich not the poor. Among many, many other problems.
I agree something needs to be done, but I think heavier regulation on private industry is far preferable to public takeover. Everything the government takes over is miserable. The DMV, the IRS, the NSA, DHS, and the TSA all spring to mind. Granted none of these except the DMV should be handled by private industry. It doesn't do anything to the relevance of the comparison though. The government runs things extremely poorly across the board. Maybe if we want healthcare for the poor we should fix medicare and medicaid? Why bother with 2 separate programs? Why not combine them?
All those questions/suggestions are just out of my ass, but I know beyond any doubt the government will make things FAR worse. Meanwhile my insurance company gouges the hell out of me in preparation for all of this. Obamacare makes it illegal, but if I can't afford the prices all of a sudden I get fined? This is as moronic as inspection and registration. Inspection doesn't even check most of the important things (breaks, steering wheel column, CV Joints, ball U-joints), and yet is 100% required at your expense, and a tremendous portion goes to the state. Same with registration. I remember driving around without inspection or registration current and getting a ticket. I felt like breaking down and crying.
I already didn't have money to get the registration or inspection in the first place (I bought a cheap car, I had no choice, it needed tons of work for inspection), and now I had to pay a fine that was basically 2 weeks of pay on top of it all. After already falling behind simply providing myself with the basic essentials? There was nothing to be done. A warrant was issued, and I served time to get rid of it. I was literally put in jail for being poor, and this is going to lead to more of that. A LOT more.
And don't say a car wasn't a requirement. If you've ever lived in Texas you are familiar with the drive most of us have in to work (mine was over 20 miles), and there is no public transportation in rural or semi-rural areas. Even if there was I have severe social anxiety and public transportation gives me panic attacks.
What if I had had to pile on another monthly bill on top of that? I didn't have health insurance which sucked, and I let a lot of stuff go I shouldn't have. However adding another even small another cost would have made my life a LOT more difficult. If I couldn't find $40 for registration for half a year how would I find $90 (the very lowest yearly amount possible) within that same year. You might say "well at least you would have gone to the doctor" which is a bs line of reasoning. Even after paying whatever the premium or it's equivalent will be I'm sure there will still be a co-pay. A $50 co-pay would have been enough to discourage me from anything short of life threatening.
I also can't help but feel suspicious of a program that's A) Apparently so bad it has to be mandatory, and B) Something congress exempted themselves from. I know they aren't "technically" exempted, but the exchanges they are required to buy from offer far better options.
Let's end the practice of hospitals pulling numbers out of their ass predicated on the expectation of haggling with the insurance company. That's creating waste as far as labour is concerned, and inefficiency. Anywhere else I so go free industry. But when it comes to dealing with people's lives this directly? Why is this a for-profit sector? Why don't we subsidize non-profit hospitals utilizing management from for-profit private industry proven to run both efficient and low-failure operations.
What if we put the money from obamacare into two agencies. One agency would do periodical audits to check if a hospital was up to standards - as is done now.
I find it ironic that liberals will complain about income disparagy and make a remark like that. Poverty is the highest predictor of poor health most notably obesity. teeThe causal link is ridiculously strong. Fellow liberals ran those studies to get people like you to shut the fuck up for making your "side" look bad. Cheap food has truckloads of sodium and saturated fats. Even a skinny person eating like that will get high bp. And staying skinny on a $100/wk food budget oddly enough is almost impossible. I know first hand, but now I can afford a gym and the spare time to prepare healthy food.
Also depression (which I'm the usa is staggeringly common ESPECIALLY when you're choosing between deoderant and toilet paper) magnifies the issue tenfold. That's not even touching on alcohol issues. If you can get "fucking wasted" off 2 40s of steel reserve (roughly $4, personal experience) and ignore reality you're going to.
You know what "treat" is by the way? its off brand spam, and is a staple of many lower income families, one sandwich is 225% of your daily sodium intake. Or ramen which is equally bad.
If you eat that shit growing up too...you're gonna be in poor health. This was my experienced growing up ina lower middle class family. Then again at 20-24 at 17k a yr. Which is not low enough to qualify for assistance. And college? The FAFSA covered 10k/year...Which is juuust enough for a sinhle semester at UTD. You might be able to get a 2 yr but a 4yr isn't gonna happen.
I ended up selling a plant to pay for my degree. This was 4 yrs ago, and things have gotten tremendously worse. Not for me...I broke out. But for everyone else in my previous situation. Go back to your brick house on white suburb lane and call people nigger on xbox please.
For the record I'm neither conservative or liberal. Conservatives wouldn't accept those studies as they are run by liberals.
How is this flame bait? Who wouldn't want to remotely exploit a toilet and use someone's bidet to make them incredibly uncomfortable? Suck an entire bag of dicks, and they have to cum.
If they have nothing that wil get rid if the pain your argument is invalid. You are not trying to coerce information from them via pain - it is simple punishment. I'm sorry for believing in spanking kids (NOT beating them they are NOT the same thing.) In this case the game master never gets a bloody nose, as the perpatrator knows it would be their death. Even a metaphorical bloody nose. I don't understand why you think hitting someone with a reed and causing non-permanent damage is creul.
As I said I don't agree with it, but you can't argue with results. They are not having permanent slashes carved into their flesh by whips; that is solely a relic of western culture. The punishment is strictly designed to inflict pain and minimize permanent damage. It is an empriically effective means of punishment (using recitivism rates as the criterion of evaluation), and you simply refused to accept that. Simply inflicting pain on an offending party does not a cruel punishment make.
I love how you connected it to waterboarding as a means of grasping at straws. As I said that argument is entirely invalid when there is NO way of stopping the pain.
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I know 6 marines 3 army..whatevers..and 1 airman. 4 of the marines and 1 of the army guys fit that description. We all used to play rugby so maybe that's a heavy bias...I never said killers..just impulsive, in need of "the hunt," and always trying to hook up.
Until there is double digit negative growth (controlled, temporary) and massive legal restrictions on procreation it's not solved.
Well duh....if you're not a minority of some kind who cares about your rights?
I spent a mod point on a post about smurfs dammit.
That was a quote...he just presented it poorly.
Yeah but it's unrealistic to expect people to give up carbs entirely. If you work out a lot (as in me) or have a physically stressful job then you need carbs to not feel like shit 24/7.
I have yet to find any evidence that is convincing that GMO wheat is unhealthy simply by virtue of being a GMO. The only "study" I've seen uses extremely sloppy methodology over only 5 years, and "hammers the point home" with a bunch of pictures of completely unrelated disorders causing massive benign tumors. These are the same tactics PETA uses, and are equally disgusting and shameful. There has not been a single study done that has conclusively proven GMOs are bad. I welcome evidence to the contrary.
Either way people are going to eat noodles of some kind one way or another. Spinach noodles are as close as you can come to "healthy pasta" which is why I suggested it. I hope I don't ever have to use pasta to make my food stretch again, but for some it's necessary.
Personally if I don't eat at least some carbs I can't function. Personally I will become hypoglemic and it greatly reduces my mental function. This is not a short term thing, as the longest no-carb diet I've done was 8 weeks. I become ketonic as well, and was strongly advised by my doctor never to do it again.
Carbs are absolutely required, but not refined carbs. There is a big difference between a potato and hamburger helper/ramen. There is a massive difference between refined carbs in fried foods and the carbs in say apples. You may not eat carbs, but a lot of people do not feel even remotely close to 100% without carbs. Personally going without carbs would be a major issue, but even for people without blood sugar issues it would be. I've had A1Cs done and I'm not even pre-diabetec...I'm just predisposed to hypoglycemia for whatever reason.
Either way you can't eat fats and proteins as 100% of your diet. You can link me to whatever book from whatever doctor you wish, but they are a minority for good reason. If taken too far of course you can develop things like insulin resistance and obesity. Your brain needs carbohydrates plain and simple. Anyone that says anyone ONE thing is the problem in the context of health is wrong every single time. You can't completely dismiss fats as a problem in our society for one food. Maybe grains are the largest problem, but they are closely backed by fats and sugars. Lipids are more readily converted into lipids...and SIMPLE sugars are converted almost equally readily.
Health is a lot more complicated than just one factor. As to your body needing carbs here are two "relatively trusted" sites that give more info:
http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20081212/no-carb-diets-may-impair-memory
http://www.fi.edu/learn/brain/carbs.html
It's not that your brain needs the carbohydrates, as it can get it's energy from glucose. It's the ketone and aldehyde buildup due to the much higher conversion energy that impairs you . Also GMO doesn't equal bad. In my experience (albeit with a higher predisposition) was minor shaking, confusion, and unbearable fatigue.
I agree corn subsidies absolutely need to end GMO or not. The excess is used for corn syrups of various varieties any of which is highly addictive. Sugar is not necessary for a healthy diet in any way shape or form.
Population explosion is a major issue I agree. Thats why we have condoms and vasectomies. Both of which need to be utilized a lot more often
Riiiight because wartime depression among soldiers has never driven anyone to suicide
I strongly disagree. A lot of the people in our armed forces practically run on testosterone. For them, and most, it is absolutely a need. Lets just turn this into nam pt 2 and do away w consensual hookups in favor of rape I guess.
Naw recently there has been some guy quotin like 100 comments and posting it for no apparent reason. Not a rant but still.
I agree a ponzi scheme is a ponzi scheme. If rupert murdoch runs a ponzi scheme w cigarettes in prison I'd still call it a ponzi scheme.
On a side doesn't this lend bitcoins a bit more legitimacy?
I was simply using it as an example. No one thing is a problem it's a combination of factors. The 2 foods I mentioned were treat (spam substitute) which contains massive amounts of saturated fats, and the other was ramen noodles. I don't know what ramen noodles are made from, but it's probably even worse than semolina as far as refined carbs go. Then fried in peanut oil. How about hamburger helper? Hamburger helper is essentially (enriched) semolina, low quality (most likely) ground beef, and a fatty sauce with corn syrup. This is literally a perfect storm of horrible health, and provides one of the highest calorie/$ ratings (which you're after if you're poor.) What I'm trying to say is that it's not one thing:
The saturated and trans fats in the sauce and ground beef can be turned into fat readily. All the foods you listed above contain mostly unsaturated fats. Your body needs fat of course, but too much is a bad thing. A single bowl of hamburger helper is too much. The saturated fat raises your HDL cholesterol and the trans fats both raise HDL and lower LDL. It also tends to contribute to obesity raising your tendency towards major health issues. Both of these have major negative effect on metabolism. Most of these foods also contain straight cholesterol.
As you said the carbs are very bad for you as well. In this case you have refined carbohydrates en masse. They further hamper your bodies metabolic ability. Not only that but foods high in the refined carbs have extremely high GI. The higher the GI the greater the ability to raise your blood glucose. An overworked pancreas can lead to diabetes, relative hypoglecemia, and a host of other issues. This also puts significantly more stress on your liver as it has to secrete more enzymes. Also, as you said they contribute greatly to weight gain. They severely impair your metabolic ability.
Then you have the corn syrup which has all the negatives of the carbs (it includes them) with the added negatives of sugar. So it is more readily converted to fat than the refined carbs (closer to the fats), but has all the pancreatic and liver implications of the carbs.
There is no one thing that is "the problem." Even if there was most of the food that provide cheap calories contain everything that could conceivably be considered "the problem." I know quite a bit about health and nutrition now. I learned about halfway through being poor, and it definitely improved my life. Not just being skinny again, but how I felt in general. Avacado is one of the greatest things in the world.
I know it sounds like an exaggeration, but most of the group I refer to don't have time to sit down and read a book. To an extent I had that luxury, but working 10 hour days in a blue collar job takes it's toll. You basically pay your bills online, eat some meager, quick meal (such as the above) and go to bed. I couldn't even imagine that situation with kids...and a single parent with a kid or kids..I don't even know how that's possible. Luckily I think those cases qualify for assistance at my previous income level.
[Random Advice]
Some really good foods if you're not quite broke, but close:
Hing: This has a savoury flavour reminiscent of MSG. Many use it as a salt replacement and studies show it is significantly healthier than either salt or MSG. You still need sodium and/or salt but this will help cut down on it. It's about $8 for a bottle of it, but it lasts for 6 months or better.
Avacados: One of the best calories/$ measures in any healthy ish food. Lots of vitamins and minerals per calorie. You can use it to raise the calorie content of relatively healthy, cheap, food.
Low Sodium Chili: One of the other best calorie/$ out there, and not terrible for you. It's a bit more expensive than ramen, but it's a lot tastier, and significantly healthier. Not exactly "healthy" but it's no hamburger helper.
Navy Beans and Lima/Butter Beans seasoned with a small bit of vegetable oil with hing in it
Replace pasta with rice it's a lot healthier. Not necessa
I can't say our healthcare system is very good. However I also don't think the AHA is a good idea in the least. The patient protection built into it is a good idea...however the implementation of the business mandate seems to heavily favour the rich not the poor. Among many, many other problems.
I agree something needs to be done, but I think heavier regulation on private industry is far preferable to public takeover. Everything the government takes over is miserable. The DMV, the IRS, the NSA, DHS, and the TSA all spring to mind. Granted none of these except the DMV should be handled by private industry. It doesn't do anything to the relevance of the comparison though. The government runs things extremely poorly across the board. Maybe if we want healthcare for the poor we should fix medicare and medicaid?
Why bother with 2 separate programs? Why not combine them?
All those questions/suggestions are just out of my ass, but I know beyond any doubt the government will make things FAR worse. Meanwhile my insurance company gouges the hell out of me in preparation for all of this. Obamacare makes it illegal, but if I can't afford the prices all of a sudden I get fined? This is as moronic as inspection and registration. Inspection doesn't even check most of the important things (breaks, steering wheel column, CV Joints, ball U-joints), and yet is 100% required at your expense, and a tremendous portion goes to the state. Same with registration. I remember driving around without inspection or registration current and getting a ticket. I felt like breaking down and crying.
I already didn't have money to get the registration or inspection in the first place (I bought a cheap car, I had no choice, it needed tons of work for inspection), and now I had to pay a fine that was basically 2 weeks of pay on top of it all. After already falling behind simply providing myself with the basic essentials? There was nothing to be done. A warrant was issued, and I served time to get rid of it. I was literally put in jail for being poor, and this is going to lead to more of that. A LOT more.
And don't say a car wasn't a requirement. If you've ever lived in Texas you are familiar with the drive most of us have in to work (mine was over 20 miles), and there is no public transportation in rural or semi-rural areas. Even if there was I have severe social anxiety and public transportation gives me panic attacks.
What if I had had to pile on another monthly bill on top of that? I didn't have health insurance which sucked, and I let a lot of stuff go I shouldn't have. However adding another even small another cost would have made my life a LOT more difficult. If I couldn't find $40 for registration for half a year how would I find $90 (the very lowest yearly amount possible) within that same year. You might say "well at least you would have gone to the doctor" which is a bs line of reasoning. Even after paying whatever the premium or it's equivalent will be I'm sure there will still be a co-pay. A $50 co-pay would have been enough to discourage me from anything short of life threatening.
I also can't help but feel suspicious of a program that's A) Apparently so bad it has to be mandatory, and B) Something congress exempted themselves from. I know they aren't "technically" exempted, but the exchanges they are required to buy from offer far better options.
Let's end the practice of hospitals pulling numbers out of their ass predicated on the expectation of haggling with the insurance company. That's creating waste as far as labour is concerned, and inefficiency. Anywhere else I so go free industry. But when it comes to dealing with people's lives this directly? Why is this a for-profit sector? Why don't we subsidize non-profit hospitals utilizing management from for-profit private industry proven to run both efficient and low-failure operations.
What if we put the money from obamacare into two agencies. One agency would do periodical audits to check if a hospital was up to standards - as is done now.
Sorry for all the typos.../. Is extremely buggy on my phone.
I find it ironic that liberals will complain about income disparagy and make a remark like that. Poverty is the highest predictor of poor health most notably obesity. teeThe causal link is ridiculously strong.
Fellow liberals ran those studies to get people like you to shut the fuck up for making your "side" look bad. Cheap food has truckloads of sodium and saturated fats. Even a skinny person eating like that will get high bp. And staying skinny on a $100/wk food budget oddly enough is almost impossible. I know first hand, but now I can afford a gym and the spare time to prepare healthy food.
Also depression (which I'm the usa is staggeringly common ESPECIALLY when you're choosing between deoderant and toilet paper) magnifies the issue tenfold.
That's not even touching on alcohol issues. If you can get "fucking wasted" off 2 40s of steel reserve (roughly $4, personal experience) and ignore reality you're going to.
You know what "treat" is by the way? its off brand spam, and is a staple of many lower income families, one sandwich is 225% of your daily sodium intake.
Or ramen which is equally bad.
If you eat that shit growing up too...you're gonna be in poor health. This was my experienced growing up ina lower middle class family. Then again at 20-24 at 17k a yr. Which is not low enough to qualify for assistance. And college? The FAFSA covered 10k/year...Which is juuust enough for a sinhle semester at UTD. You might be able to get a 2 yr but a 4yr isn't gonna happen.
I ended up selling a plant to pay for my degree. This was 4 yrs ago, and things have gotten tremendously worse. Not for me...I broke out. But for everyone else in my previous situation. Go back to your brick house on white suburb lane and call people nigger on xbox please.
For the record I'm neither conservative or liberal. Conservatives wouldn't accept those studies as they are run by liberals.
How is this flame bait? Who wouldn't want to remotely exploit a toilet and use someone's bidet to make them incredibly uncomfortable? Suck an entire bag of dicks, and they have to cum.
I suppose instead we should lock them in a cage like animals for 1/3 of their natural life?
If they have nothing that wil get rid if the pain your argument is invalid. You are not trying to coerce information from them via pain - it is simple punishment. I'm sorry for believing in spanking kids (NOT beating them they are NOT the same thing.)
In this case the game master never gets a bloody nose, as the perpatrator knows it would be their death. Even a metaphorical bloody nose. I don't understand why you think hitting someone with a reed and causing non-permanent damage is creul.
There is no way of stopping the pain except to never offend again. That is the only manner of getting rid of it. As a result recitivism rates are near-0 http://books.google.com/books?id=7Ei5GwzChNQC&pg=PA284&lpg=PA284&dq=recidivism+rate+in+islamic+states&source=bl&ots=V-nV-uxT6w&sig=iUUwet4bl1Vy1PGlqdWi-RxCK24&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Yw4AUuLNJO-GyQH-xYCYCQ&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=recitivism&f=false is an example of an in-depth analysis.
As I said I don't agree with it, but you can't argue with results. They are not having permanent slashes carved into their flesh by whips; that is solely a relic of western culture. The punishment is strictly designed to inflict pain and minimize permanent damage. It is an empriically effective means of punishment (using recitivism rates as the criterion of evaluation), and you simply refused to accept that. Simply inflicting pain on an offending party does not a cruel punishment make.
I love how you connected it to waterboarding as a means of grasping at straws. As I said that argument is entirely invalid when there is NO way of stopping the pain.
I don't like the idea of expkoiting but remotelt activating someone's bidet sounds...amazing
Causing pain isn't necessarily cruel its just a different way of motivating than you're used to.
I don't agree with it, but I understand it.
Creul and unusual are both remarkably subjective.
Painless defeats the purpose.
This is slashdot...I think most of us ha ve that attitude
Why is this modded down? Its an obvious joke, but its still funny.
I'm not usually for greater regulation in any sense...but here I totally agree w you. We shouldn't stifle innovation for cash.