Or is it just a tad bit more reasonable that a neighbor started filming with their cameraphone, and captured as much as they could with that device?
It's far more likely that said neighbour or fellow gang member started filming as soon as they saw the violence kick off but then edited it to portray only one side of the situation according to their own personal prejudices. Editing video can be accomplished on virtually any PC these days, or hadn't you noticed?
And my point is you are a rather credulous individual.
Watch the video, 15 seconds in, the suspect goes for the officer's upper thigh or groin. Or at the very least it's entirely possible to interpret it that way. It's only after that point that the officer punches him.
How would you interpret such an act from someone you've just had a fight with and who you're still holding down? Would you wait and see what he was doing with his hand?
btw, if you answered yes to that last question, you're a walking victim, it's just a matter of time before something nasty happens to you completely unexpectedly.
Which is exactly why you should never be given a badge and asked to uphold the law.
I'm not interested in defending the law, you, or in fact anyone else but my friends, family and myself. I'll do that with the utmost ferocity with every tool at my disposal.
It's very clear to me that the video being shown is propaganda given the way it's edited. Even with that, it's not clear that the officer used excessive force and if I was on a jury with just that video as evidence, I'd happily clear him. Which btw, makes it well within the law.
I'm sorry, but you're simply wrong. As I've said elsewhere, If his head was to the side and the pressure was that severe he'd have been unconscious, the carotid is even easier to close than the windpipe, it has little structural rigidity of it's own.
You left out the fact that the officer WAS KNEELING ON THE GUYS NECK. I'd be 'trying to get a grip' on the leg that was kneeling on my neck, too.
No, that's self evident. He was still struggling against restraint and the officer was prudent to keep hitting him. If I was in a fight, had someone just about restrained and then felt them going after my groin, I'd do exactly the same thing. Actually I'd probably be far more vicious about it and go for his eyes.
I suspect, fredklein that you are a victim waiting to happen.
I'm regularly in situations where I can't breathe or speak. If he could speak he could breathe. It's why wrestlers, ju jitsu and karate practitioners "tap out". If you can speak, your windpipe isn't closed and unless there's pressure on your chest/diaphragm, you can breathe. He was in discomfort but could both breathe and speak.
If the pressure was significant on the side of his neck his carotid would have been closed, starving his brain of blood and he would have blacked out within seconds.
How could he speak if he couldn't breathe? Watch the video. He's both breathing and speaking. Not only that, before the officer punches him he tries to get a grip on the officers upper thigh or groin with his right hand. Watch the video. 15 seconds in. Given the proximity to the officer's groin I'm not surprised he got hit.
There are a number of "vital points" on the human body which will end a fight damned near instantly. The big three are eyes, throat and groin, if you let someone anywhere near any of them you're in big trouble. Perhaps the officer was more cognizant of the potential danger than you are.
If there was he wouldn't have been capable of speaking. He wouldn't have been breathing and he would have blacked out within 10 - 15 seconds. He was clearly speaking, breathing and still struggling.
1: The guy clearly was breathing. It can be seen and heard. 2: Scum will lie through their teeth in order to gain an advantage. You can't believe a word they utter. e.g. "Got the time mate", "Excuse me miss I'm lost could you help", "Do what I say and you won't get hurt". 3: Where's the rest of the video? Why was it cut off? Could it be that the suspect wouldn't be seen in quite the same light? Not an innocent victim but a violent attacker?
I'm not a big fan of the police but this is a bullshit video. It's propaganda designed to manipulate me. Show me the whole video and let me make my own decision.
Say that to yourself again, really slow this time. What about writing novels, movie scripts, or what about those individuals in police agencies and federal agencies that think about planning crimes to prevent them. What you are saying is that it is illegal to think about carrying a crime out. There should be nothing illegal about that. However, if you go about carrying those plans out, then it becomes a crime. Or at least that is how it should be.
The key is intent... And it's up to a court to decide that, not police officers.
Why now, at this point in time are Linux developers being threatened in this way? Why not last year? Why not two, five years ago?
I reckon they are terrified about Vista... They're terrified it'll be a dead loss with millions jumping ship to Linux. They're trying to fence of Linux from their ex-customers in advance of it's release.
So by that reasoning, the biggest polluters (electric utilities) would have to pay the most for licenses to pollute.
Yes. Absolutely.
Do you think it's a magic company, where extra costs are simply absorbed like a sponge and then disappear? No, the extra costs will be passed on to you and me, the consumers.
Yes. Absolutely. That's the WHOLE POINT! WTF. You're the one causing the pollution to be produced, of course you should pay.
Meanwhile there is a large economic incentive to produce non polluting or very much more efficient power generation which you could switch to at your leisure. Wind, Solar, Nuclear etc. I could switch to "green" power today, but it isn't worth my while.
The future will eliminate that differentiation. Data will not be 'here' or 'there'. Rather, it will be. Data will simply exist and we will access it as if it were immediately 'here' all the time.
But this is the biggest load of new age bullshit I've heard in years.
Frankly I'm tired and bored of listening to the constant doom mongering.
Look. We can take a bitty view at all this, then run about like headless chickens screaming about this issue this week, then that issue next week... Or... we can take an overview and recognise that some pollution is inevitable so, allow people to pollute as much as they like, as long as they pay for it. Make them buy a license to pollute.
The idea is called cap and trade. You say, these and these are sources of this and that pollution, you go ahead and pollute but the total number of licenses to pollute are N tonnes and you and your competitors have to buy (or else) enough licenses to cover the number of tonnes you produce. As the total amount of pollution allowed to be produced is reduced, the price of the licenses on the free market increases, the people who are least efficient, have to buy more and end up more expensive than their more efficient competitors. Then you leave it up to the companies to find their own way of reducing their pollution costs. Whether they use this technology, or that technology is irrelevant as long as they pay.
I've said it a few times now, and it's down to cheap energy and cheap bandwidth. Google is the new Arkwright, we saw the same effect during the industrial revolution, there it was the weavers who were made redundant. I'll leave it up to you to decide who's going to be made redundant this time.
Should energy become more expensive though, in the age of peak oil, it'll be all change, the datacentres will become untenable without much more efficient cpus.
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He doesn't have control of the guy's hand. Which makes the rest of your comment irrelevant.
Watch the video, watch the suspect's right hand at 15 seconds into the video.
It's far more likely that said neighbour or fellow gang member started filming as soon as they saw the violence kick off but then edited it to portray only one side of the situation according to their own personal prejudices. Editing video can be accomplished on virtually any PC these days, or hadn't you noticed?
And my point is you are a rather credulous individual.
I have this bridge for sale. Hundreds of years old. Very historic, very good price. Interested?
You didn't watch the video. He only pounds the guy's face after he grabs hold.
Watch the video, 15 seconds in, the suspect goes for the officer's upper thigh or groin. Or at the very least it's entirely possible to interpret it that way. It's only after that point that the officer punches him.
How would you interpret such an act from someone you've just had a fight with and who you're still holding down? Would you wait and see what he was doing with his hand?
btw, if you answered yes to that last question, you're a walking victim, it's just a matter of time before something nasty happens to you completely unexpectedly.
I'm not interested in defending the law, you, or in fact anyone else but my friends, family and myself. I'll do that with the utmost ferocity with every tool at my disposal.
It's very clear to me that the video being shown is propaganda given the way it's edited. Even with that, it's not clear that the officer used excessive force and if I was on a jury with just that video as evidence, I'd happily clear him. Which btw, makes it well within the law.
I'm neither a cop nor a bully. Simply a mild mannered citizen who's determined never to be a victim and who takes appropriate measures.
Boy, you are a born sucker.
I'm sorry, but you're simply wrong. As I've said elsewhere, If his head was to the side and the pressure was that severe he'd have been unconscious, the carotid is even easier to close than the windpipe, it has little structural rigidity of it's own.
No, that's self evident. He was still struggling against restraint and the officer was prudent to keep hitting him. If I was in a fight, had someone just about restrained and then felt them going after my groin, I'd do exactly the same thing. Actually I'd probably be far more vicious about it and go for his eyes.
I suspect, fredklein that you are a victim waiting to happen.
I'm regularly in situations where I can't breathe or speak. If he could speak he could breathe. It's why wrestlers, ju jitsu and karate practitioners "tap out". If you can speak, your windpipe isn't closed and unless there's pressure on your chest/diaphragm, you can breathe. He was in discomfort but could both breathe and speak.
If the pressure was significant on the side of his neck his carotid would have been closed, starving his brain of blood and he would have blacked out within seconds.
How could he speak if he couldn't breathe? Watch the video. He's both breathing and speaking. Not only that, before the officer punches him he tries to get a grip on the officers upper thigh or groin with his right hand. Watch the video. 15 seconds in. Given the proximity to the officer's groin I'm not surprised he got hit.
There are a number of "vital points" on the human body which will end a fight damned near instantly. The big three are eyes, throat and groin, if you let someone anywhere near any of them you're in big trouble. Perhaps the officer was more cognizant of the potential danger than you are.
If there was he wouldn't have been capable of speaking. He wouldn't have been breathing and he would have blacked out within 10 - 15 seconds. He was clearly speaking, breathing and still struggling.
And given the previous unseen struggle for restraint, was the suspect adequately restrained?
Until we see what went on beforehand this video is propaganda.
Some points...
1: The guy clearly was breathing. It can be seen and heard.
2: Scum will lie through their teeth in order to gain an advantage. You can't believe a word they utter. e.g. "Got the time mate", "Excuse me miss I'm lost could you help", "Do what I say and you won't get hurt".
3: Where's the rest of the video? Why was it cut off? Could it be that the suspect wouldn't be seen in quite the same light? Not an innocent victim but a violent attacker?
I'm not a big fan of the police but this is a bullshit video. It's propaganda designed to manipulate me. Show me the whole video and let me make my own decision.
Or... you let them change it?
The key is intent... And it's up to a court to decide that, not police officers.
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Why now, at this point in time are Linux developers being threatened in this way? Why not last year? Why not two, five years ago?
I reckon they are terrified about Vista... They're terrified it'll be a dead loss with millions jumping ship to Linux. They're trying to fence of Linux from their ex-customers in advance of it's release.
The biggest polluters get POORER! The smallest polluters get RICHER!
Which part of that don't you understand?
Yes. Absolutely.
Yes. Absolutely. That's the WHOLE POINT! WTF. You're the one causing the pollution to be produced, of course you should pay.
Meanwhile there is a large economic incentive to produce non polluting or very much more efficient power generation which you could switch to at your leisure. Wind, Solar, Nuclear etc. I could switch to "green" power today, but it isn't worth my while.
But this is the biggest load of new age bullshit I've heard in years.
Frankly I'm tired and bored of listening to the constant doom mongering.
Look. We can take a bitty view at all this, then run about like headless chickens screaming about this issue this week, then that issue next week... Or... we can take an overview and recognise that some pollution is inevitable so, allow people to pollute as much as they like, as long as they pay for it. Make them buy a license to pollute.
The idea is called cap and trade. You say, these and these are sources of this and that pollution, you go ahead and pollute but the total number of licenses to pollute are N tonnes and you and your competitors have to buy (or else) enough licenses to cover the number of tonnes you produce. As the total amount of pollution allowed to be produced is reduced, the price of the licenses on the free market increases, the people who are least efficient, have to buy more and end up more expensive than their more efficient competitors. Then you leave it up to the companies to find their own way of reducing their pollution costs. Whether they use this technology, or that technology is irrelevant as long as they pay.
I've said it a few times now, and it's down to cheap energy and cheap bandwidth. Google is the new Arkwright, we saw the same effect during the industrial revolution, there it was the weavers who were made redundant. I'll leave it up to you to decide who's going to be made redundant this time.
Should energy become more expensive though, in the age of peak oil, it'll be all change, the datacentres will become untenable without much more efficient cpus.
GPUs ok... Supercomputers, specific applications, custom code. I'd have thought it'd be an ideal application.
What it really said is that you smell like a pig.