Energy Density (watt hours per liter)
Nickel cadmium 150
Nickel metal hydride 190
Lithium ion 250
Lithium ion polymer 250
Well Polyplus. Says it must develope new manufacturing methods for these... -> long way before you could get one.
Moltech...
200Wh/kg Well does anyone know their density?
They clame 50% lighter than standard notebook battery. And if thats true then this tech too is inferior. except perhaps cost wise... But when you buy 3000$ laptop do you want to put 50$more for longer battery time, so that you wouldn't need to worry about batteries for whole day or something like that...
He mentioned that the doom fails on 66mhz 486.
Well I had 33mhz 486DX and it flied, actually.
There was couple of reasons.
a) 256kb of L2 cache on mainboard=fast.
b) 8mb of FAST ram. [bit faster rated than average]
c) 1MB trident SVGA gfx card.
For dukenukem my machine was speedy enough after some tweaking in settings. And that had minimum speed rating of 66mhz486!!
The minimum ratings of ancient days was for assumption that the system had lousy gfx card, that slowed the system down, and slow memory, and little cache. The addition of L2 cache to mainboard, over doubled the performance, the good gfx cards too increased the performance a lot.
And games got 3D cards that took the last part of equation of requiring more performance. The thing that happened besides CPU:s getting faster was that other chips took more of the things it was required to do previously. Like drawing cursors, and all the gfx movement commands, and some sound processing is reduced by getting to PCI. Etc...
If there wouldn't been the 3D accelerators you would still need processor upgrades every now and then.
I'm sure the Gaming industry could easily use all the CPU power you can give it nicely. But issues are that they want as large market as possible, so they make it for large audience, that has lower end boxes too! I know that a GOOD AI could eat, all the cycles in your CPU. But the design requirements for it are larger, it takes more time, and lessens the audience, and it wouldn't sell as much as spending that time just for improving the LOOKS!!! [GF2 seller.]
And by good AI I don't mean few and smart like some games, did I mean MANY and SMART. And of course the AI for RTS, that don't cheat, could be nice. Especially, one that has smart soldiers on both sides, that don't just stand around when a soldier thats next to them gets shot. Or a RTS with EVERY soldier are smart.
Well the real threat from space could be some one building a Huge hydrogen container!
Could you even consider a container that has tens of tons of hydrogen, with standard nuclear bomb as detonator, as effective bomb.
Lets put it this way, if it explodes outside of athmosphere, it kills all the people in that side of earth where i exploded, with radiotion. And if it exploded in athmosphere the shock wave could kill people in other side of the earth too.
But this isn't real problem until mankind has colonized mars and they start war of independence.
The worst scenario is that one country evacuates all its people to space and explodes similar bomb, in earth crust, but a larger scale.
I think it could mean end of Earth almost instantly. Atleast end of people on earth. The earthquakes all around the world and shock waves,
in the crust could finish all the bunkers on earth. And in the open the air shock could kill what people where in open ground. So there most certainly wouln't be any people left, here. Only out there.
For any windows users.
Emacs is stated as text editor integrated with everything including the kitchen sink. Its is used like OS by some people. But they run it under any unix OS and even under windows [rare].
And for rest of the guys I forgot to mention the superior integration of developement tools in the real OS.
Why would any game developer would ever waste time on toy OS like linux? Its user interface sucks,
the X/KDE2/GTK sucks!!! The keyboard shortcuts, withing X are quitelimited, don't even come close to a real OS. The configurability of it doesn't even come close to a real OS. And its much harder to configure, and install it than any real OS.
The linux cannot even compare a real professional OS, in integration of office tools, text editors, mail programs, news viewers,and all other good stuff.
To put everything I stated before in a one sentence. Why the heck they don't port them to EMACS!!!
>That's nice, but who the fuck cares how much profit nVidia gets? I still spent $500. Is your point that I should feel sorry for them and that this is a justified cost regardless of the performance?
Well my point was that there is reason for the high costs of these boards. Other than the corporate greed. They get what they can get but thats nothing how much they make selling some high volume chips. This chip is for those who are willing to pay that price. Nvidia makes chips for everyone, for those who are willing to pay for their chips more and for those who are not. GF3 obviously targets currently for the market that is wiling to pay more. The performance... well I know some chip designing, and their clock frequency is exacly where I think the chip of that size should be. [not everyone has cryo coolers for their gfx cards.]
The performance, well the 2D simply shows that these are immature drivers just like its immature chip. There is always price to pay in start of new architecture, its usually lower in price/perf than older ones.
Well the card isn't made for you or me. Its made for kids of some rich people, at the beginning.
You are not getting this for same reason you wouldn't by a 1.5ghz P4 with 256MB ram.
You are not in the performance market. (those users who are willing to pay twice as much to get 20% increase for their favourite apps.)
In the article they blame geforce3 from that it has 20% lower clock frequency than GF2 ultra.
Well there is reasons for that.
At certain voltage your power consumption is
x Wats per gate, per Mhz. Well 20% lower clock frequency is 20% lower power consumption...
Not quite. Well speed of transition depends on voltage, lower voltage= slower transistors.
But power consumption depends on Voltage to power of 2. So this may lead up to 40% reduction of power consumption in total. Then the die shrink from 0.18 to 0.15 reduces the power consumption compared to GTS 44%. After calculating these two figures and pointing out that GF3 has 128% increase in numbers of transistor, the peak power consumption of chip is higher than GTS pro. And would be MUCH higher than GTS pro if they would run in same clock frequency.
Also there is point that GF2 pro and ultra:s are picked from volume productions higher frequency parts. The process advantage would give GF3 better change in getting high clock frequencies, but then we must remember. This is their first layout of the new T&L unit and probably made automatically by tools with some human assistance. While GTS2 has 2nd generation layout with more customizations by humans. (The T&L of GF1 with new layout.)
The GF1 didn't have much higher frequency than TNT2 ultras didn't it? When you get totally new design of a large fancy unit expect it to come in lower clock frequency than the old, refined version that has more optimized layout and less gates consuming the power. (exception, if the layout is done by hand in the first place. eg P4 you get high frequency depending on the design.)
Also if the design is the clock speed limiter, then the changes that makes the pipeline better balanced and/or with more stages usually get frequency advantage, but in case of GFX cards its not the most feasible way.
I think you got this totally wrong...
Nvidia pays M$ for someone to start manufacturing their chips. Then some bucks per chip.
Then the nVidia takes it cut, and sells those chips to gfx card manufacturer which makes those cards. The card manufacturer pays for the PCB.
And the highspeed memory chips, and takes its own cut (% over the costs he gets.) Then the Retailer takes his cut too. For the volumes of first generation parts, nVidia makes quite a little cash. In the line Nvidia gets less than 100$ per chip 50$ probably. And that needs to offset the initial 1-2M$ NRE, and the developement costs.
(NRE=Non recurring engineering costs, a price to pay for foundry for each time different chip has production start, ANY change in chip will result repaying that.)
These initial GF3 chips need to ship in quantities of 20k before nvidia gets its manufacturing costs back, with these high prices. But rememeber always that are more eaters to this pie than nVidia.
Well there are smaller m-atx cases.
One that is reviewed by anand is.
7.5"x14"x12.6
Enlight EN-7308 microATX Mini Tower
It has AMD aproved power supply for upto 1Ghz or similar...
If I was consider a movable computer for lan partyes. This could be the case, unless there is real desire to make one by my self.
NLX and desktop mATX cases could do well too depending on what form of case you could move best. My recommendation is to surf couple of manufacturers pages and pick the best for your needs.
You can find both MB:s for both duron and Celeron in mATX form factor.
The reason not to ATX is that those last inches actually determine if it can be fit inside the back-back. The two smallest values are critical for getting it fit inside the back-back. I measured that this case would just nicely fit in mine while it couldn't be inch larger in two smallest directions. The largest dimension... Well There is extra space in top of back, I think that could be used well too. Now the back could be considered large but not huge.It would still lack space of putting normal keyboard there.
(But there are smaller ones that could fit.) Extra space could be used by mouse and (speakers or headphones) and game CD:s.
Now with mATX I could fit EVERYTHING except monitor to my back. Now I have hands free just for the monitor.
---disclaimer---
This is purely hypothetical, it assumes that the place I live would not be a large LAN party itself....
>There is nothing you can't do with a one button mouse that you can do with a two button mouse, if your have good enough programmers.
Or keyboard to be used as additional buttons...
The original for just penalizes, and makes software busines a more risky, and most people wouldn't even bother with that 1$ payment.
And it should apply only for products released after certain date, after its publiticed.
Better ruling would be,
When a customer of software product finds a bug, that is distinct from any previously found bug the software manufacturer is responcively to pay him 10's the price he paid for the software for the first customer to notify it. The software manufacturer pays there after a weekly x% of the average weekly sales figures of the product of last 2 years for the goverment, until the company has made the bug fix available to all its customers. (Public FTP or HTML page is enough.)
If 3rd party component is found responcible to the bug the 3rd party becomes responcible for tracking the bug, inside the component, the software producer is responcible providing exact discription on what condition the 3rd party component fails. And proof it fails. Any false 3rd party claims, make the company subject to pay both the 3rd party component manufacturer and the goverment the fee. But if the 3rd party component was responcible for the bug, 80% of the fees to goverment are returned to the corporation. (The first 2 weeks are returned fully.)
This is not legalize, but the idea is better,
it tells managers that they are not afford to release too buggy code, (unless free.) And still not penalize the corporation too much of several little failures. The idiot user error... can be detected when the bug is replicated, when the users are asking the money. Well this is for high volume software products, low volume products should have its own system for bug repayments.
And it would most certainly pay back to hunt down those bugs, because those shall eat the profit margins anyway.
JollyFinn
How many Finns are required to stop an entire soviet armoured division?
4000 and half less if they have antitank guns.
There is no such thing as American English.
There is English, American, and British,
in my proofreader software but no such thing as American english.
Is American english, American mixed with English.
From what I know English is internationalized version of the language of Brittish.
JollyFinn
-No Fishy babels where used to create this comment.
The new innovations are made to make our lives more comfortable, and give us more pleasures. And thats not something, the figures show us.
The innovations give us what we are willing to pay for. How large percentage of people are getting something just for living longer, or producing more or just having fun.
The change from 40's is substantial in where the money moves, the entertainment. Have you even considered comparing, the movies about aliens and space in 40's with 90's B5? I think you may find somedifference in quality. What about food, you get it cheap, easy, and fast. You don't have to spend so much time cooking it. What about if you wanted to see the Great wall, or the Pyramids, in 40's probably, in black and white movies is only way to see it. But in 90's you could travel there, and see your self. What about computers, and automation, it has given people more time to spend in entertainment. And created new forms of entertainment. The key what people have got is new forms of entertainment. Since most of their other needs have already been taken care of.
But in the end. How can we measure the entertainments.
Who is more happier, the guy in 40's who comes from heavy work, to home, he has dinner waiting for him, and after dinner, he still has great time making love with his wife,after telling his kids a great story.
Or the guy that come in home in 90's that has his wife sitting in coach telling him "help your self." and after eating the microwave meal, watching TV at same time his son and dotter comes to ask him to drive them to their hobbies. He comes back to home, waches TV, gets his kids out of hobbies. Then watches little more TV with the family. Gets to bed with his wife makes a suggestion that is denied because wife doesn't feel like it because she needs to get up early to work. That just because they need to pay for their new forms of entertainment, or their expensive houses.
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Well they got 530W/h /litre.
Energy Density (watt hours per liter)
Nickel cadmium 150
Nickel metal hydride 190
Lithium ion 250
Lithium ion polymer 250
Well Polyplus. Says it must develope new manufacturing methods for these... -> long way before you could get one.
Moltech...
200Wh/kg Well does anyone know their density?
They clame 50% lighter than standard notebook battery. And if thats true then this tech too is inferior. except perhaps cost wise... But when you buy 3000$ laptop do you want to put 50$more for longer battery time, so that you wouldn't need to worry about batteries for whole day or something like that...
He mentioned that the doom fails on 66mhz 486.
Well I had 33mhz 486DX and it flied, actually.
There was couple of reasons.
a) 256kb of L2 cache on mainboard=fast.
b) 8mb of FAST ram. [bit faster rated than average]
c) 1MB trident SVGA gfx card.
For dukenukem my machine was speedy enough after some tweaking in settings. And that had minimum speed rating of 66mhz486!!
The minimum ratings of ancient days was for assumption that the system had lousy gfx card, that slowed the system down, and slow memory, and little cache. The addition of L2 cache to mainboard, over doubled the performance, the good gfx cards too increased the performance a lot.
And games got 3D cards that took the last part of equation of requiring more performance. The thing that happened besides CPU:s getting faster was that other chips took more of the things it was required to do previously. Like drawing cursors, and all the gfx movement commands, and some sound processing is reduced by getting to PCI. Etc...
If there wouldn't been the 3D accelerators you would still need processor upgrades every now and then.
I'm sure the Gaming industry could easily use all the CPU power you can give it nicely. But issues are that they want as large market as possible, so they make it for large audience, that has lower end boxes too! I know that a GOOD AI could eat, all the cycles in your CPU. But the design requirements for it are larger, it takes more time, and lessens the audience, and it wouldn't sell as much as spending that time just for improving the LOOKS!!! [GF2 seller.]
And by good AI I don't mean few and smart like some games, did I mean MANY and SMART. And of course the AI for RTS, that don't cheat, could be nice. Especially, one that has smart soldiers on both sides, that don't just stand around when a soldier thats next to them gets shot. Or a RTS with EVERY soldier are smart.
Well the real threat from space could be some one building a Huge hydrogen container!
Could you even consider a container that has tens of tons of hydrogen, with standard nuclear bomb as detonator, as effective bomb.
Lets put it this way, if it explodes outside of athmosphere, it kills all the people in that side of earth where i exploded, with radiotion. And if it exploded in athmosphere the shock wave could kill people in other side of the earth too.
But this isn't real problem until mankind has colonized mars and they start war of independence.
The worst scenario is that one country evacuates all its people to space and explodes similar bomb, in earth crust, but a larger scale.
I think it could mean end of Earth almost instantly. Atleast end of people on earth. The earthquakes all around the world and shock waves,
in the crust could finish all the bunkers on earth. And in the open the air shock could kill what people where in open ground. So there most certainly wouln't be any people left, here. Only out there.
For any windows users.
Emacs is stated as text editor integrated with everything including the kitchen sink. Its is used like OS by some people. But they run it under any unix OS and even under windows [rare].
And for rest of the guys I forgot to mention the superior integration of developement tools in the real OS.
Why would any game developer would ever waste time on toy OS like linux? Its user interface sucks,
the X/KDE2/GTK sucks!!! The keyboard shortcuts, withing X are quitelimited, don't even come close to a real OS. The configurability of it doesn't even come close to a real OS. And its much harder to configure, and install it than any real OS.
The linux cannot even compare a real professional OS, in integration of office tools, text editors, mail programs, news viewers,and all other good stuff.
To put everything I stated before in a one sentence. Why the heck they don't port them to EMACS!!!
>That's nice, but who the fuck cares how much profit nVidia gets? I still spent $500. Is your point that I should feel sorry for them and that this is a justified cost regardless of the performance?
Well my point was that there is reason for the high costs of these boards. Other than the corporate greed. They get what they can get but thats nothing how much they make selling some high volume chips. This chip is for those who are willing to pay that price. Nvidia makes chips for everyone, for those who are willing to pay for their chips more and for those who are not. GF3 obviously targets currently for the market that is wiling to pay more. The performance... well I know some chip designing, and their clock frequency is exacly where I think the chip of that size should be. [not everyone has cryo coolers for their gfx cards.]
The performance, well the 2D simply shows that these are immature drivers just like its immature chip. There is always price to pay in start of new architecture, its usually lower in price/perf than older ones.
Well the card isn't made for you or me. Its made for kids of some rich people, at the beginning.
You are not getting this for same reason you wouldn't by a 1.5ghz P4 with 256MB ram.
You are not in the performance market. (those users who are willing to pay twice as much to get 20% increase for their favourite apps.)
To those who think x wats may be too much to pay per gate the x isn't integer... x is around 40*10^-9
In the article they blame geforce3 from that it has 20% lower clock frequency than GF2 ultra.
Well there is reasons for that.
At certain voltage your power consumption is
x Wats per gate, per Mhz. Well 20% lower clock frequency is 20% lower power consumption...
Not quite. Well speed of transition depends on voltage, lower voltage= slower transistors.
But power consumption depends on Voltage to power of 2. So this may lead up to 40% reduction of power consumption in total. Then the die shrink from 0.18 to 0.15 reduces the power consumption compared to GTS 44%. After calculating these two figures and pointing out that GF3 has 128% increase in numbers of transistor, the peak power consumption of chip is higher than GTS pro. And would be MUCH higher than GTS pro if they would run in same clock frequency.
Also there is point that GF2 pro and ultra:s are picked from volume productions higher frequency parts. The process advantage would give GF3 better change in getting high clock frequencies, but then we must remember. This is their first layout of the new T&L unit and probably made automatically by tools with some human assistance. While GTS2 has 2nd generation layout with more customizations by humans. (The T&L of GF1 with new layout.)
The GF1 didn't have much higher frequency than TNT2 ultras didn't it? When you get totally new design of a large fancy unit expect it to come in lower clock frequency than the old, refined version that has more optimized layout and less gates consuming the power. (exception, if the layout is done by hand in the first place. eg P4 you get high frequency depending on the design.)
Also if the design is the clock speed limiter, then the changes that makes the pipeline better balanced and/or with more stages usually get frequency advantage, but in case of GFX cards its not the most feasible way.
NVidia will be getting ~$500 for these things.
I think you got this totally wrong...
Nvidia pays M$ for someone to start manufacturing their chips. Then some bucks per chip.
Then the nVidia takes it cut, and sells those chips to gfx card manufacturer which makes those cards. The card manufacturer pays for the PCB.
And the highspeed memory chips, and takes its own cut (% over the costs he gets.) Then the Retailer takes his cut too. For the volumes of first generation parts, nVidia makes quite a little cash. In the line Nvidia gets less than 100$ per chip 50$ probably. And that needs to offset the initial 1-2M$ NRE, and the developement costs.
(NRE=Non recurring engineering costs, a price to pay for foundry for each time different chip has production start, ANY change in chip will result repaying that.)
These initial GF3 chips need to ship in quantities of 20k before nvidia gets its manufacturing costs back, with these high prices. But rememeber always that are more eaters to this pie than nVidia.
Well there are smaller m-atx cases.
One that is reviewed by anand is.
7.5"x14"x12.6
Enlight EN-7308 microATX Mini Tower
It has AMD aproved power supply for upto 1Ghz or similar...
If I was consider a movable computer for lan partyes. This could be the case, unless there is real desire to make one by my self.
NLX and desktop mATX cases could do well too depending on what form of case you could move best. My recommendation is to surf couple of manufacturers pages and pick the best for your needs.
You can find both MB:s for both duron and Celeron in mATX form factor.
The reason not to ATX is that those last inches actually determine if it can be fit inside the back-back. The two smallest values are critical for getting it fit inside the back-back. I measured that this case would just nicely fit in mine while it couldn't be inch larger in two smallest directions. The largest dimension... Well There is extra space in top of back, I think that could be used well too. Now the back could be considered large but not huge.It would still lack space of putting normal keyboard there.
(But there are smaller ones that could fit.) Extra space could be used by mouse and (speakers or headphones) and game CD:s.
Now with mATX I could fit EVERYTHING except monitor to my back. Now I have hands free just for the monitor.
---disclaimer---
This is purely hypothetical, it assumes that the place I live would not be a large LAN party itself....
4. Hardware== written in VHDL, and made as ASIC.
>There is nothing you can't do with a one button mouse that you can do with a two button mouse, if your have good enough programmers. Or keyboard to be used as additional buttons...
The original for just penalizes, and makes software busines a more risky, and most people wouldn't even bother with that 1$ payment.
And it should apply only for products released after certain date, after its publiticed.
Better ruling would be,
When a customer of software product finds a bug, that is distinct from any previously found bug the software manufacturer is responcively to pay him 10's the price he paid for the software for the first customer to notify it. The software manufacturer pays there after a weekly x% of the average weekly sales figures of the product of last 2 years for the goverment, until the company has made the bug fix available to all its customers. (Public FTP or HTML page is enough.)
If 3rd party component is found responcible to the bug the 3rd party becomes responcible for tracking the bug, inside the component, the software producer is responcible providing exact discription on what condition the 3rd party component fails. And proof it fails. Any false 3rd party claims, make the company subject to pay both the 3rd party component manufacturer and the goverment the fee. But if the 3rd party component was responcible for the bug, 80% of the fees to goverment are returned to the corporation. (The first 2 weeks are returned fully.)
This is not legalize, but the idea is better,
it tells managers that they are not afford to release too buggy code, (unless free.) And still not penalize the corporation too much of several little failures. The idiot user error... can be detected when the bug is replicated, when the users are asking the money. Well this is for high volume software products, low volume products should have its own system for bug repayments.
And it would most certainly pay back to hunt down those bugs, because those shall eat the profit margins anyway.
JollyFinn
How many Finns are required to stop an entire soviet armoured division?
4000 and half less if they have antitank guns.
JollyFinn
-No Fishy babels where used to create this comment.
JollyFin -Feeling fishy today
The new innovations are made to make our lives more comfortable, and give us more pleasures. And thats not something, the figures show us.
The innovations give us what we are willing to pay for. How large percentage of people are getting something just for living longer, or producing more or just having fun.
The change from 40's is substantial in where the money moves, the entertainment. Have you even considered comparing, the movies about aliens and space in 40's with 90's B5? I think you may find somedifference in quality. What about food, you get it cheap, easy, and fast. You don't have to spend so much time cooking it. What about if you wanted to see the Great wall, or the Pyramids, in 40's probably, in black and white movies is only way to see it. But in 90's you could travel there, and see your self. What about computers, and automation, it has given people more time to spend in entertainment. And created new forms of entertainment. The key what people have got is new forms of entertainment. Since most of their other needs have already been taken care of.
But in the end. How can we measure the entertainments.
Who is more happier, the guy in 40's who comes from heavy work, to home, he has dinner waiting for him, and after dinner, he still has great time making love with his wife,after telling his kids a great story.
Or the guy that come in home in 90's that has his wife sitting in coach telling him "help your self." and after eating the microwave meal, watching TV at same time his son and dotter comes to ask him to drive them to their hobbies. He comes back to home, waches TV, gets his kids out of hobbies. Then watches little more TV with the family. Gets to bed with his wife makes a suggestion that is denied because wife doesn't feel like it because she needs to get up early to work. That just because they need to pay for their new forms of entertainment, or their expensive houses.
JollyFinn.
- The fun is subjective matter.