You're right. But as with getting out folks to vote, we need to make them care. Perhaps, unintentionally, moves like this from Arizona and other places that have already done this will be the catalyst people need. Now needs to come the encouragement to upgrade their homes (proper insulation, better windows) and to start considering solar power.
It is, but in places where there isn't a lot of sunshine, one could also put up wind-farms and the like. Right now, the grid is extremely weak. Anything we can do to get people using even just a little bit less could be a big help right now. IF they already get a tax credit or even a full rebate on installation, what does it matter to the consumer? Yes, tax money should be better used but we're fighting a problem that is going to take determination, dedication and drive to conquer. It will be expensive at first, but as better regional solutions are found, what can it hurt?
Solar panels are coming way down in prices, enough that retailers like Wal*Mart are talking about selling them.
Yes, proper insulation and better windows would go a long way as well, but I'm talking about the grid specifically and getting off it as much as possible. While such improvements are an all around Good Thing(TM), I'm not betting the farm on them. The grid needs to be upgraded and people need a full on dose of encouragement and reassurance to get off of it.
Instead of trying to control individual ACs like this, they should be giving out massive credits to those who go to the expense of installing solar. Even where it won't pay for itself in a reasonable amount of time, installing solar panels will make a difference (probably not so much so in places like Seattle). I would imagine that if you could get 10% of the homes in the nation (even if you were just to do that in So Cal and Arizona and other perpetually sunny places) the relief on the grid would be enormous. With advances in solar cells, combining solar and hydrogen fuel storage/use, and other alternative energy technologies (wind, for example) there should be no problem in providing enough power.
The real problem is that the grid is ancient (relatively) and uses old, broken tech. Unfortunately the adage "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" doesn't apply when you are pushing outdated technology way past its limits.
I would imagine, though, that in 150 years we'd have a heck of a lot more spacecraft than we have now, with possibly a move toward personal spacecraft.
TBH, no I haven't seen the Mona Lisa in person. I guess I did generalize a bit too much.
I don't know. It's drawn crowds for hundreds of years. Can you say the same about a shuttle launch (I have no idea if they draw crowds anymore or not)?
That's the space shuttle for ya. I'm not even sure the deck of the Intrepid can support something that heavy (I'm relatively certain that the SR-71 that was on its deck when I visited back around 1995 didn't way nearly that much).
The only reference, in both the submission and the article, to the Mona Lisa is in reference to how it should be stored (climate controlled, heavy security, etc.).
The Mona Lisa is so well preserved because it's easy to preserve something that doesn't have multiple vectors of rot and decay, and it does not way something like 75 tons.
Yeah, except this is kind of ridiculous. Who is going to care in even 150 years? While the Mona Lisa, as a work of art that moves the human imagination and touches something within each of us, is something truly special, the only thing special about the shuttle is the engineering that went into it (and for that we have the blue prints and videos).
'The primary criteria for the shuttles' location will be the stability of the site and whether the chosen institutions can exhibit them for the next 500 years.'"
Probably not, but being unable to compile anything reliably from source (or being able to do so with little trouble) was nearly impossible (I did manage to get WINE to install via a script from a trusted source so he could get access to iTunes, which was also a very limited success type thing but that's to be expected with WINE IME).
My comparison is based on thus: If Ubuntu is Debian based, and PPA and backports is anything like apt-get, dependency resolution STINKS. Period. Unless in the past 10 years Debian has changed (doubtful as my trusted friend ditched Debian a little over a year ago for FreeBSD for about the same reasons I ditched Debian 10 years ago).
FreeBSD 8.0. While not perfect, ports is AWESOME at dependency resolution and just about everything I could ever need or want is already in ports (and there is even a process to use ports to build from sources outside of the main ports tree, truly a powerful tool). I still think, though, that ports could take a few hints from Gentoo's (which is based on Slackware's package management tool which is based on FreeBSD ports IIRC) emerge (rev-dep rebuild (I believe that's the command, it's been about 4 years since I've touched Gentoo) is awesome) .
Well, I don't think it's that unreasonable. My experience with Debian Woody and the few times I've touched an Ubuntu system to try and help a friend in need I wound up with the same sour taste in the end.
I'd have to disagree about the desktop environments (funny considering I don't really like either and use WindowMaker myself). GNOME and KDE have long been making strides to be more user friendly. Just because they aren't there yet doesn't mean they never will be.
If I had to call the shots about anything, it would be with Synaptic and Ubuntu's software manager. I'm not sure what I would do to make it more user friendly, but I had a lot easier time with software using RH 6.2's rpm manager (and no, I'm not exaggerating).
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You're right. But as with getting out folks to vote, we need to make them care. Perhaps, unintentionally, moves like this from Arizona and other places that have already done this will be the catalyst people need. Now needs to come the encouragement to upgrade their homes (proper insulation, better windows) and to start considering solar power.
It is, but in places where there isn't a lot of sunshine, one could also put up wind-farms and the like. Right now, the grid is extremely weak. Anything we can do to get people using even just a little bit less could be a big help right now. IF they already get a tax credit or even a full rebate on installation, what does it matter to the consumer? Yes, tax money should be better used but we're fighting a problem that is going to take determination, dedication and drive to conquer. It will be expensive at first, but as better regional solutions are found, what can it hurt?
Solar panels are coming way down in prices, enough that retailers like Wal*Mart are talking about selling them.
Yes, proper insulation and better windows would go a long way as well, but I'm talking about the grid specifically and getting off it as much as possible. While such improvements are an all around Good Thing(TM), I'm not betting the farm on them. The grid needs to be upgraded and people need a full on dose of encouragement and reassurance to get off of it.
sounds good, in theory. Have a working model anywhere? While I'm all for efficient fuels, the technology right now seems to be focusing on hydrogen.
Instead of trying to control individual ACs like this, they should be giving out massive credits to those who go to the expense of installing solar. Even where it won't pay for itself in a reasonable amount of time, installing solar panels will make a difference (probably not so much so in places like Seattle). I would imagine that if you could get 10% of the homes in the nation (even if you were just to do that in So Cal and Arizona and other perpetually sunny places) the relief on the grid would be enormous. With advances in solar cells, combining solar and hydrogen fuel storage/use, and other alternative energy technologies (wind, for example) there should be no problem in providing enough power.
The real problem is that the grid is ancient (relatively) and uses old, broken tech. Unfortunately the adage "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" doesn't apply when you are pushing outdated technology way past its limits.
All your satellites are belong to us? :p
That's not what I said.
oh my goodness. *lol* I didn't even notice. Yes, huge whoosh to me. (:
I would imagine, though, that in 150 years we'd have a heck of a lot more spacecraft than we have now, with possibly a move toward personal spacecraft.
No, sorry. It was an SR-71. Plaque said as much (as did tour guide).
TBH, no I haven't seen the Mona Lisa in person. I guess I did generalize a bit too much.
I don't know. It's drawn crowds for hundreds of years. Can you say the same about a shuttle launch (I have no idea if they draw crowds anymore or not)?
Pretty good chance of that. ):
I will take the AC's word for it.
That's the space shuttle for ya. I'm not even sure the deck of the Intrepid can support something that heavy (I'm relatively certain that the SR-71 that was on its deck when I visited back around 1995 didn't way nearly that much).
The only reference, in both the submission and the article, to the Mona Lisa is in reference to how it should be stored (climate controlled, heavy security, etc.).
I'd call it pink just to mess with their heads.
The Mona Lisa is so well preserved because it's easy to preserve something that doesn't have multiple vectors of rot and decay, and it does not way something like 75 tons.
Yeah, except this is kind of ridiculous. Who is going to care in even 150 years? While the Mona Lisa, as a work of art that moves the human imagination and touches something within each of us, is something truly special, the only thing special about the shuttle is the engineering that went into it (and for that we have the blue prints and videos).
quote from the submission which quoted from the fine article.
I personally would not want to open a wormhole too close to a planet. Too many unknowns.
Phantom Pirates vs. Entertainment Industry Execs ;)
Are they serious? 500 years? Good night people.
Ubuntu is Debian based.
Probably not, but being unable to compile anything reliably from source (or being able to do so with little trouble) was nearly impossible (I did manage to get WINE to install via a script from a trusted source so he could get access to iTunes, which was also a very limited success type thing but that's to be expected with WINE IME).
My comparison is based on thus: If Ubuntu is Debian based, and PPA and backports is anything like apt-get, dependency resolution STINKS. Period. Unless in the past 10 years Debian has changed (doubtful as my trusted friend ditched Debian a little over a year ago for FreeBSD for about the same reasons I ditched Debian 10 years ago).
FreeBSD 8.0. While not perfect, ports is AWESOME at dependency resolution and just about everything I could ever need or want is already in ports (and there is even a process to use ports to build from sources outside of the main ports tree, truly a powerful tool). I still think, though, that ports could take a few hints from Gentoo's (which is based on Slackware's package management tool which is based on FreeBSD ports IIRC) emerge (rev-dep rebuild (I believe that's the command, it's been about 4 years since I've touched Gentoo) is awesome) .
Well, I don't think it's that unreasonable. My experience with Debian Woody and the few times I've touched an Ubuntu system to try and help a friend in need I wound up with the same sour taste in the end.
I'd have to disagree about the desktop environments (funny considering I don't really like either and use WindowMaker myself). GNOME and KDE have long been making strides to be more user friendly. Just because they aren't there yet doesn't mean they never will be.
If I had to call the shots about anything, it would be with Synaptic and Ubuntu's software manager. I'm not sure what I would do to make it more user friendly, but I had a lot easier time with software using RH 6.2's rpm manager (and no, I'm not exaggerating).
In that case, it's all good.
Agreed.