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Lawmakers Want a Space Shuttle In New York City
Hugh Pickens writes "Bloomberg reports that New York Senators Charles Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand and a bipartisan delegation of 17 US representatives from New York and New Jersey have sent a letter to NASA Administrator Charles Bolden calling for the agency to place a shuttle aboard the Intrepid Sea, Air and Space Museum in New York City. A former aircraft carrier, Intrepid served as one of NASA's recovery vehicles for early space flights. Intrepid officials have gathered almost 57,000 signatures on a petition to bring an orbiter to New York, and NASA is weighing 21 bids from visitors' centers, science museums and educational institutions eager to host one of the three aging space shuttles that will be retired this year. 'These are going to be like the Mona Lisa,' says space historian John Logsdon, referring to Leonardo da Vinci's iconic 1506 portrait of a woman in Florence that remains on display at the Louvre Museum in Paris. 'The primary criteria for the shuttles' location will be the stability of the site and whether the chosen institutions can exhibit them for the next 500 years.'"
Are they serious? 500 years? Good night people.
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At the explanation of the Mona Lisa. Because, frankly, that piece of cultural errata always escaped me.
Sure, why the hell not? There are plenty of Intrepid Space cadets in NYC.
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The Evergreen Aviation Museum in McMinville, OR has a very nice collection of air and space exhibits. The "Spruce Goose," Howard Hughes' ill-fated wood composite transport plane, is on display there.
When the museum built a new hall, they designed it to hold a shuttle. The space isn't quite empty, but you can tell they really have a hole to fill.
I wonder what they'll do in what looks like the increasingly likely case that they won't get an orbiter? Maybe a Buran?
These are going to be like the Mona Lisa,' says space historian John Logsdon, referring to Leonardo da Vinci's iconic 1506 portrait of a woman in Florence that remains on display at the Louvre Museum in Paris
I'm glad he specified that. I wasn't sure what he was talking about with just a simple "Mona Lisa".
Several cities and domestic air museums have already made their bids, etc. more than a year ago. From Disney to Evergreen, everyone wanted either an airframe or an engine. Evergreen had billboards up for more than a year that have been taken down long since.
No one was interested when they saw the cost to transport, sanitize and decommission just one shuttle.
So what's happening now? Lawmakers= lobbiests for the NYC tourism board begging with the expectation the tax payers will foot the bill? A shuttle wouldn't last one year exposed to the elements on the deck of the Intrepid Sea. Might as well put them on Antiques Roadshow.
If anyone can afford it these days, it will be either Dubai or Shanghai.
If they set it up as well as they did the Concorde on the Pier next to the Intrepid. I was in NYC this summer and the Intrepid was one of the top highlights of the trip for me. I'll never get to fly on a Concorde - or a Space Shuttle - but at the Intrepid I could walk into and through one. While I couldn't sit in the all-first-class seating, I could at least see the inside in person. For me, that alone was worth the cost of admission. And if I could walk through a Space Shuttle, and see the controls and the loading bay, that would be worth twice that to me.
The two are in the top echelon of most important aircraft of the latter half of the 20th century. I think it should be a no-brainer to put them in the same museum.
And for those who haven't been there yet - the Concorde does not sit on the deck of the Intrepid, it is on the Pier next to it. I don't know if there is room on the Pier for a Space Shuttle, but I suspect the staff there would find room for something of that importance.
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So it seems that the public and some elected representatives still have an enthusiasm for Space and NASA, even if legislators at the federal level don't.
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Pick up one of the Buran models.
Not like they had as much mileage on them.
From the summary:
[...] calling for the agency to place a shuttle aboard the Intrepid Sea, Air and Space Museum in New York City.
Hell, if they'll just land the thing on deck, not only would I be for it, I'd pay good money to watch.
This ain't rocket surgery.
'These are going to be like the Mona Lisa,' says space historian John Logsdon
Not really. Despite how much we like to think that we've advanced since 1969, we really haven't. I think the shuttle will be remembered like the Pentium 4, interesting, useful, but a technological dead end. Perhaps things would be different if America actually had a vision of space, but since the cold war ended we've had the worst of all worlds. Lack of willingness for the government to fund public spaceflights and lack of government cooperation for private spaceflight. Apollo will be remembered like the Mona Lisa, it was a large achievement in spaceflight. The shuttle? Unless something -major- comes out of the development of it, I think we will remember it more for Challenger and Columbia than anything else.
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Headline provoked questions in your mind, you read on. I don't see the problem. Only thing a professional copy editor may have done is removed the word "a". Or, maybe something like NY Lawmakers vie for Space Shuttle.
Headlines are often supposed to leave a bit of mystery. Whether you like that or not is up to you, but it's unlikely to ever change as long as there are headlines.
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Why not put it somewhere that isn't nuclear terrorist target #1?
It's too bad slashdot doesn't employ anyone with journalism or editing experience...
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It will be under water. Then again, they do propose putting it on a big boat.
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Seal it up in transparent lucite panels. The smithsonian could probably do it and still make the vast majority of the ship viewable by visitors.
I'd worry more about the country lasting that long. It's not really in immediate danger, but hell, we've only been a country for 230 years.
I'm not sure what I think about the Mona Lisa comparison. On the one hand, the shuttles are amazing work of engineering even with all their flaws. On the other hand, it isn't like they were the first method of sending people into space. In that regard, the various space capsules matter more (and the Apollo ones especially so for allowing humans to first step foot on another planet). The shuttle's claim is merely that of being the first reusable method of space travel. That's important, but the shuttle isn't even fully reusable. That said, arguably the shuttle is a far more important accomplishment than the Mona Lisa. The Mona Lisa is considered great art by a single human being. That's very different than space travel which has been one of the greatest achievements of humans, demonstrating what we can do when we cooperate with each other and use science. So arguably, as a symbol of human success, the shuttle is far more important than the Mona Lisa.
I really cannot think of why New York deserves one, the city made little to no real contribution to the Shuttle program. They are simply leveraging politics to get another tourist draw for nothing. That's not a good enough reason.
Instead of making one of the retiring orbiters a political kewpie doll, they should instead go to the following cities:
1) Kennedy Space Center.
It's where the launches and a large number of landings occurred, and that puts the spacecraft into context -- especially because there's a restored Saturn V hanging in the Apollo Center, the VAB and the launch pads are there, and a visitor will be able to see the launch site...not to mention ongoing space activities, whatever they are.
2) Houston
For many of the same reasons as KSC, Houston deserves an orbiter because it was the site of the bulk of training facilities, because it is the ongoing center for American manned space operations and because it too has a restored Saturn V to complement the orbiter.
3) The Smithsonian Air & Space Museum
This is the final resting place for most all of America's flighted space hardware, and an orbiter simply must join Apollo 11's capsule, the Mercury capsules, along with the other important space and aerospace artifacts. Yes, the Smithsonian currently has a flight-test body, but it could give that up in exchange for an orbiter.
Which in turn leads me to say that the Enterprise could go to New York, although I would prefer to see it go to the west coast to a museum there so that Shuttle hardware is located across the geography of the country.
Russia has one of its own shuttles in the middle of Moscow. So you can consider it "keeping up appearances" with the Russians.
If you go all the way to Paris to see it, you might be disappointed. It is behind 3 inches of plastic and 20 feet of oriental tourists.
Meh... maybe I am jaded, but half of these more than give you the gist of what it is... being in front of it adds nothing.
This issue is a bit more complicated than you think.
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The headline would have been much more informative if it said "Lawmakers Want Space Shuttle in New York City museum".
It's definitely possible to push an "interesting" headline too far to the point where it becomes sensationalistic. Like "Are Video Games Turning Our Kids into Trained Assassins?" It doesn't matter if the next line says "Experts say no", because the headline has a bigger impact than the story, which not everyone will even read.
It's too bad slashdot doesn't employ anyone with journalism or editing experience, they would have caught that and come up with a more meaningful headline.
I'm more concerned about readers who fail at context recognition. Context recognition is one thing humans do very well but AI apparently do poorly. I'm concerned that you may be an evil AI. Bad jokes aside, there was exactly one reasonable interpretation of this headline. That interpretation fit exactly with what was actually happening. Just because the headline could mean other things that have very different meanings and simply wouldn't make sense in the world we live in is not a big deal.
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More likely it's a combination of NYC hubris and the tourist dollar signs flashing before their eyes.
I agree that New York is a piss-poor choice: as I've posted elsewhere, the Intrepid is a lousy place to preserve historically-significant machinery. Outdoors in the salt air? No.
No argument about the Smithsonian either: it's *the* federal museum.
But I'm not sure about KSC and Space Center Houston. They've got a lot of great stuff, but I consider their mission to be primarily the business of spaceflight, with tourism and museum projects second. Also, I'd like to see key space artifacts spread around the country, both so they can inspire a wider range of people, and so that a really nasty hurricane can't wipe out *all* of our space artifacts in one go.
Me, I'm voting for the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry, which does a great job of preserving and displaying really big machinery, gets a *ton* of visitors, and could use a centerpiece like this.
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I think he's checked out on the approach.
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A headline that vague leaves wide open to the reader what the lawmakers want to do with the shuttle. Are they asking for a working shuttle, or a decommissioned one? Do they want a launch pad for the next generation fo billionaires, or do they want a museum? Do they want the current shuttle, or do they actually want the vehicle that will replace it?
To someone with even a barely passing familiarity of the situation regarding the space shuttle program the answer to all these questions would be perfectly obvious.
Oh wait. I get it it. You were trolling. Sorry.
Me, I'm voting for the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry, which does a great job of preserving and displaying really big machinery, gets a *ton* of visitors, and could use a centerpiece like this.
You know what, that's probably the best answer I've seen after the Smithsonian.
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Former aircraft carrier? I am pretty sure it is still carrying aircraft. I guess you could say it is a "former aircraft" carrier, as the planes on her no longer fly.
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Will it include a deep-fisting Shiva or even Ganesh, and Xenu as a dominatrix?
Oh, and of course a very specific burning goat and a pterodactyl! (Obviously NSFW!)
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The Smithsonian already has the Enterprise: http://www.nasm.si.edu/museum/udvarhazy/
Doesn't anyone else think this request could empower a couple of well-placed astronaut-trained Jihadists to place a space shuttle right smack in the middle of New York City?
The one where Xenu gives Lao Tzu a golden shower while Jesus Mohammed Moses and Buddha watch and circle jerk is my favorite...
It's either false dichotomies, or the terrorists win, you decide.
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Can we use the same methods? Fight terror with terror. Say, someone assassinating those who call for murder?
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Well the mona lisa wasn't the first example of a painting either, so I don't understand that point, otherwise yes. I think it's really a case of apples to oranges, engineering and technical challenges are judged differently than fine art, even if they both contain beauty and history in their own ways.
It's either false dichotomies, or the terrorists win, you decide.
Mona Lisa was made in Europe. How about bring one shuttle back here?
Wait what? The Mona Lisa is on display at the Louvre Museum in Paris. Wouldn't you think it fairer for the shuttle to stay (more-or-less) where it was made, just like the Mona Lisa did?
Reminds me of the exploded 747 hanging from someone's ceiling in Neal Stephenson's "Cryptonomicon".
I'm 100% with your first and last choices. As far as I know, Discovery is already allocated to the NASM Udvar-Hazy Annex at Dulles, presumably to replace Enterprise (which could then be moved elsewhere). KSC is a complete no-brainer, IMHO: one of them must be there, where they spent so very much of their lives. I had a VIP tour through the Orbiter Processing Facility a few weeks ago and was almost in tears when I got to see Endeavour at extremely close quarters (and to actually touch it), thinking that this will all be over soon. End of an era.
As for the third, well, Houston sounds like a very good idea for the reasons you've cited, but I've not visited its space museum to know how good it is and how much of a tourist draw it is.
New York is a truly bad idea.
The main difference in my opinion is that technologically inclined people don't value old things. They are just old and useless; maybe slightly interesting but that's it.
Art on the other hand becomes priceless and vintage. It's also more accessible. Even the simplest mind can pretend to savour art. Old technology is just black-boxed junk.
Art is also made to be preserved. Technology is made to be replaced by something better.
Add to that the fact that it's simply impossible to conserve all those technological achievements. Where and how would you store all those "first airplane", "first airplane with two propellers", "first single, dual, triple, quadruple jet engine plane", "first naval destroyer capable of hunting subs", "first aircraft carrier with a nuclear reactor", "first plane capable of flying around the world without refueling", "first ..."; you get the point.
These things are too unwieldy to conserve compared to a small painting or sculpture. Even in arts, the bigger something is, the less likely it is to survive centuries, and pieces of art are smaller by several orders of magnitude.
What makes the Mona Lisa so special IMHO isn't the painting but the fact it survived so long.
If Slashdot employed journalists with real professional headline-writing experience, the headline would've been something like: Schumer Shoots to Snag Shutdown Shuttle for NY Ship
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Yes take the example of a painting painted in Italy by and Italian, of an Italian woman in the Italian countryside ...Is now in the *French* national art gallery ...
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Why not put one into an unmanned high orbit that will be stable for the next 500 years? Classify it as an orbiting Time Capsule. To be opened 2510. No quibbling over who gets it, etc etc.
Agree with 1 and 3. Houston I'm not sold on. A lot more people would have the opportunity to see it in NYC than Houston.
Not just that. Given the volatility of the US economy, the ruinous expenditure required to maintain its military and its waning political influence internationally, let's see the US survive the next 50 years before we start making plans about how to store relics around the country for for 500 years.
This is really so next time they bankrupt the planet, they can escape to the moon.
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The professional headline writes proficient in this particular style are all under contract at The Register, I fear...
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Do you really think they'll show up at your door with a turban and a single shot pistol?
You'll never be able to open your mailbox or your trashcan without thinking that it might rip your hands off.
Houston's space museum is quite good, but also sort of out of the way in the suburbs. It has a large "rocket park" with a bunch of things, and has tours of one of the giant pools used for low-G training, the original Apollo mission-command room, and (when not in use) the current mission-command room. The cons are mainly that it's in suburban Houston. The pros are that there isn't much in Houston, so it actually gets quite a few visitors, because it's one of the main things a tourist does if they're in southeast Texas.
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HUH ? Why do people who have no idea what They are talking about state things like they are fact ? I bet you didnt know that NASA has offices i nNYC, The united nations has its ofices here (There were astronauts from other countries also). JFK was one of the shuttles emergency landing sites. They could ship the shuttle by barge to nyc and make it easy to transport. Would be a lot cheaper and safer then by jumbo jet.
NASA has offices in NYC. The shuttle will be housed indoors at the intrepid museum if they get it and it would fiot because JFK . Also One of the atlantic rescue crews is hosued off of long island. Also the fact that grumman who helped significantly with the Space program is on long island near nyc why not have a shuttle at the intrepid?
The Air Force Museum in Dayton might also be a good option for one of them.
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In another article they staed it would be housed INDOORS not outdoors. NYC gets tons of international visitors and EVEN has NASA offices of their own. PLus the side effect of having grumman 30 min or so away .
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I'll drink to that!
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"the Apollo ones especially so for allowing humans to first step foot on another planet"
WAIT!! When did this happen? I thought man had only been to a satellite!
even if NYC were nuked, after they perfect the radiation eating nanobots in 2398, it will still be a nice place for a city, since most other coastal cities are built at river mouths on silt, and will mostly likely be sunk under water, or, if on the west coast, taking a ride to alaska on the san andreas fault express
nyc is actually one of the best natural places to have a city in terms of seismic stability, metereological stability, geological strength, stable high quality aquifer, geographic strategical location (the hudson river->erie canal->great lakes), political stability, etc
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This article is bullshit. Charlie Bolden has NO authority over the disposition of these orbiters. Obama is shipping these orbiters to his buddies in Al Qaeda so they can bomb the moon!!!!
Mod parent up, it is obviously satire depicting modern social situations, his respondents however, are examples of trolls. Does it take more than a public funded education to tell the difference?
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Don't forget about the National Museum of the United States Air Force at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base. There is also the Enterprise that is already in the Smithsonian that will likely be replaced by Discovery. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Enterprise#Museum_exhibit So there are really 4 choices.
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The shuttles are working space craft will full life support systems, lots of living and experiment area, windows, equipment bays and robotic arms. Why not simple add them to the space station and quadruple it's life support capacity. Sure, you need to add maybe another node and some solar panels, but they're already built and can launch themselves. And they provide another reentry method in case of an emergency. Hell, they're working space craft that can be used as actually space shuttles going to and from the station to other orbits to service satellites and such.
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You burnt MIR up in a forced re-entry, when it would have just as easy to park it in a safe orbit for future generations, but you want to stick this bus in a museum?
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Wait, what? Somebody from the Apollo program got to step foot on another planet? How the hell did I miss that?
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The plaque will read: "The last manned US spacecraft."
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Unless they are going to put the Shuttle Indoors, this is a horrible decision. If you're ever in NY go check out Cleopatra's Needle, which has been in Central park since 1881, but were built in ancient Egypt in around 1450 BC out of solid granite.
According to the USGS:
The surface of the stone is heavily weathered, nearly masking the rows of hieroglyphs engraved on all sides. Photographs taken near the time the obelisk was erected in the park show that the inscriptions were still quite legible. The stone had lain in the Egyptian desert for nearly 3000 years but undergone little weathering. In a little more than a century in the climate of New York City, pollution and acid rain have heavily pitted its surfaces.
Good luck keeping the shuttle safe on an aircraft carrier, on the ocean from crumbling in a few years.
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The salary requirements to have it there makes it cost a lot more
The fact it's has further to go
Weather
I can keep going, such as space limitation, pollution . . . This is nothing more than a money/political game.
Just ah wow, why can;t we have politics completely removed from NASA? We would have a moon/mars base by now if it wasn't for those morons in Washington!
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You missed the US Space & Rocket Center in Huntsville Alabama. It is located near to the NASA Marshall Space Center, and is where Space Camp occurs. It is one of the main museums from the von Braun era including original V2, Redstone, Jupiter and Saturn 1B and V rockets. It currently holds the shuttle mass-mock-up Pathfinder, but it would be awesome to have an actual retired shuttle at Space Camp.
My choices would be: Smithsonian Air and Space Museum, Kennedy Space Center and US Space and Rocket Center, and with the requirement that Enterprise, Explorer and Pathfinder are passed on to other, smaller museums.
This failing empire will go the way of the romans before 500 years!
Meh. If someone from NYC can't bothered to head down to the Smithsonian then that's their problem. These should be shared with the rest of the country.
Actually, the Technikmuseum in Speyer, Germany has a Buran (OK-GLI, the jet-engined testbed). IMO outside of the Smithsonian, this is the best place to put a Shuttle.
Me, I'm voting for the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry, which does a great job of preserving and displaying really big machinery, gets a *ton* of visitors, and could use a centerpiece like this.
Agreed. There's probably space next to the U-505 building, or if they're concerned about the 500 year rule they could carve out part of the Mine exhibit and put the shuttle in it.
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He "knew" that? Why, because Islamist terrorists always take such good care to avoid collateral damage? Of course he didn't fucking know that, the reasonable assumption would have been the opposite. He left his five year old granddaughter in the tender care of a crazed axe-wielding assassin. Kurt Westergaard, fuck you, and the horse you rode in on.
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The main difference in my opinion is that technologically inclined people don't value old things.
Maybe I'm biased because I did a postdoc in the history of computing, but I don't think you're right there. You'll find a lot of museums dedicated to the history of technology dotted around the place, covering everything from the industrial revolution onwards. Understanding how the development of a particular piece of technology helps you a lot in understanding how it will develop in the future.
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That's not what he is saying. Clearly there will be people interested in older technology. just not a lot of them are in the fields that sue cutrting edge technology. Where newer is usually better. It's not like someone will create a mona lisa 2.0 that does everything the previous Mona-Lisa does, 1/2 the size, AND has wi-fi.
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I agree. I think a Shuttle would be completely out of context in NYC. I can't imagine that one won't end up in the Smithsonian Air & Space Museum. When I was a kid growing up in DC it was the most fascinating place I'd ever seen. I would definitely make the trip to the Smithsonian to see a shuttle up close. The political power trip going on in NY is insulting.
Pretty good chance of that. ):
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3) The Smithsonian Air & Space Museum
The Udvar-Hazy extension of the Smithsonian has a space shuttle already.
The land of numerous indicted and convicted politicians, machine politics, and the home of a mayor who found an aviation icon "inconvenient" (Meigs field) and tore it up under the cover of darkness to pay off his developer buddies. Another Daley might destroy the shuttle for his political advantage. Thanks, but no.
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The name of this museum is quite curious. Why is the sea intrepid, and why is it only an air and space museum? Given that it's located in an aircraft carrier, it should also be a sea museum, one would think.
... and then they built the supercollider.
Dude, it comes from upstate New York, not from the aquifer under New York City that the poster was actually referring to.
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by any common sense conversational logic, i am obviously referring to the aquifer from which new york city gets its water
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intellectual property law is philosophically incoherent. it is your moral duty to ignore it or sabotage it
This is plain creepy: Chuck Schumer, fresh from attacking his party's President for daring to criticize Israel (which, as we know, is more perfect than America and never does anything wrong) takes up a bizarre cause for tourism. How many million unemployed New Yorkers are there, and how near to financial collapse and political gridlock is the state? But Chuck thinks doing the right wing's dirty work by spanking Obama for questioning Israel and flag-waving for an old tourist hunk on the west side are his top priorities as a leader. Meanwhile, Chuck is so deep in Goldman Sachs' pockets that Ariadne couldn't lay out enough thread for him to find his way out. Maybe that's why he's busy attacking his party's President these days, because said Prez dares to get behind some legislation that just might curb Goldman's criminality.
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The USA may have funded the project, and I certainly agree that a US location like, the Smithsonian, Houston of KSC are logically affilliated with space for very good heritage reasons.
The fact remains that NASA space flight has for a very long time been contributed to internationally, is an achievement of humanity, not just the USA (Apollo would never have happened without the help of a certain German ex-pat) and all of this makes both Russian and American space heritage part of the larger picture of world heritage.
The decision where to locate these important historical monuments should rest with the World Heritage Committee, not on parochial US politics. And funding for their preservation should be drawn from international sources.