Okay liar, tell me about how you charge your electrical toothbrush with USB. Or your notebook. Or that with "every single device" you actually meant "every single device with micro-USB."
I'm just afraid those ridiculous prices won't come down until optical is the norm. $659 for a 30m cable? A 30m fiber network cable is $60.
The fast optical transceivers you'l need will cost $100 each if you buy cheap. That'l be 10GB/s, half the bandwidth of Thunderbolt. And that set-up won't give you DisplayPort video in addition.
Maybe it's another attempt to separate markets for "cheap" and "pricy" cabling. Just convince some less price-sensitve people that you belong to some kind of "elite" if they buy your more expensive product, and enjoy a small but profitable market niche, where nobody asks what the actual advantage of your product is.
Already worked well for other cabling standards...
It din't work so well for USB 3, where a lot of problems are caused by cheap cables.
For comparison, Apple introduced the iPod in 2001, and since then, there have been 3 plugs for it.
The first was a standard Firewire 400 plug.
The second, a 30 pin plug
The third, the lightning connector.
Those Apple connectors are used for only a handful of their own devices - all of similar form and function.
USB? Tens of thousands of different devices with all manner of shapes, sizes and purpose.
Steve's RDF still working from beyond the grave, I see!
So be fair and count all those different cables made for one product with an USB connector on one side and a proprietary connectors on the other. And none of those were made before USB was able to be used for charging something like an iPod.
Actually iPhone sales have been falling. I'm afraid you fell for a classic misleading graph.
Ooooh, the iPhone's sale drop from quarter to quarter after the release of a new one - until a new one is released. That's a phenomenon only Apple is affected by! And don't look on year-to year growth! That's only a trick to fool you! 17%? That's far below the 100% needed to stay on the same level!
This isn't about "OMG Apple is dying!" it's about the iPad (a single product line) not being able to sustain sales.
At least if you ignore reasonable explanations. iPad sales in millions for the 2 quarters mentioned (first 5 months of new iPads): 4Q12 + 1Q13 = 22.86 + 19.48 = 42.34 ; 4Q13 + 1Q14 = 26.04 + 16.35 = 42.39. Sustained sales.
...before smartphones existed, he pitched an idea to Apple that had in it the basic underpinnings of the now prolific mobile technology: a Newton PDA with embedded Qualcomm radio for cellular communication. The idea was rebuffed and Jacobs took his plan to now-defunct PDA maker Palm, which ultimately partnered with the company to create the Qualcomm pdQ.
That was the standard 4 pin port, only Sony didn't want to use the 'Firewire' trademark.
Close, that was designed by Sony and added to the spec in the second edition - IEEE 1394a-2000. As opposed to the (almost completely) Apple designed IEEE 1394-1995.
I repeat: Apple had nothing to do with the 4-pin Firewire port and most of all never used it.
The only reason why most Androids don't have covers available is their low production number and/or high production variances in dimensions that makes production of cases unprofitable. The fact that on the current Amazon best-seller list for Cell Phone Accessories the best selling case on #38 is for the Galaxy S5 is telling.
I have a 3rd gen iPod that can't even transfer files over USB, you must use Firewire.
Bullshit. It can't charge over USB - and that's because back than USB couldn't deliver enough power. Do you have to prove your lunacy in every Apple related discussion?
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Okay liar, tell me about how you charge your electrical toothbrush with USB. Or your notebook. Or that with "every single device" you actually meant "every single device with micro-USB."
I'm just afraid those ridiculous prices won't come down until optical is the norm. $659 for a 30m cable? A 30m fiber network cable is $60.
The fast optical transceivers you'l need will cost $100 each if you buy cheap. That'l be 10GB/s, half the bandwidth of Thunderbolt. And that set-up won't give you DisplayPort video in addition.
The article does not list "extended range" among the advantages
The article is based on a single leaked slide.
Maybe it's another attempt to separate markets for "cheap" and "pricy" cabling. Just convince some less price-sensitve people that you belong to some kind of "elite" if they buy your more expensive product, and enjoy a small but profitable market niche, where nobody asks what the actual advantage of your product is.
Already worked well for other cabling standards...
It din't work so well for USB 3, where a lot of problems are caused by cheap cables.
Thunderbolt doesn't do USB,
The new version does.
The goal is to enable people to use their laptops to charge their laptops.
Or use their stationary external monitors to charge their laptops. Connect it to one non-propriatary cable and be fully docked.
You've obviously not kept up with reality. USB 3.1 was announced almost a year ago.
And it hasn't been finalized until a few weeks ago.
The easiest explanation would be: you are lying.
For comparison, Apple introduced the iPod in 2001, and since then, there have been 3 plugs for it. The first was a standard Firewire 400 plug. The second, a 30 pin plug The third, the lightning connector.
Those Apple connectors are used for only a handful of their own devices - all of similar form and function.
USB? Tens of thousands of different devices with all manner of shapes, sizes and purpose.
Steve's RDF still working from beyond the grave, I see!
So be fair and count all those different cables made for one product with an USB connector on one side and a proprietary connectors on the other. And none of those were made before USB was able to be used for charging something like an iPod.
Nice story, but Nokia launched a smartphone in 1996 (Nokia 9000 with a 386 CPU), three years before that obscure Qualcomm.
Considering we were talking about smartphones based on PDAs and not electric organizers ...
iPhone sales continue to grow
Actually iPhone sales have been falling. I'm afraid you fell for a classic misleading graph.
Ooooh, the iPhone's sale drop from quarter to quarter after the release of a new one - until a new one is released. That's a phenomenon only Apple is affected by! And don't look on year-to year growth! That's only a trick to fool you! 17%? That's far below the 100% needed to stay on the same level!
This isn't about "OMG Apple is dying!" it's about the iPad (a single product line) not being able to sustain sales.
At least if you ignore reasonable explanations. iPad sales in millions for the 2 quarters mentioned (first 5 months of new iPads): 4Q12 + 1Q13 = 22.86 + 19.48 = 42.34 ; 4Q13 + 1Q14 = 26.04 + 16.35 = 42.39. Sustained sales.
lol, that's not a biased source at all. Apple people crack me up.
Which source? Apple's CEO, or somebody quoting them? You Apple haters are on crack.
No it's a bright line. Smart phones make phone calls. PDAs do not make phone calls. If you called a PDA a "smart phone" you would be wrong.
What could have been
...before smartphones existed, he pitched an idea to Apple that had in it the basic underpinnings of the now prolific mobile technology: a Newton PDA with embedded Qualcomm radio for cellular communication. The idea was rebuffed and Jacobs took his plan to now-defunct PDA maker Palm, which ultimately partnered with the company to create the Qualcomm pdQ.
And calling it a phablet is like calling your car a corse. -.-
More like calling a SUV a curse. Wait...
Yeah, and the main reason people want them larger is to accommodate larger screens. People always want larger screens
That's why they complained the iPhone was too big when it came out.
That was the standard 4 pin port, only Sony didn't want to use the 'Firewire' trademark.
Close, that was designed by Sony and added to the spec in the second edition - IEEE 1394a-2000. As opposed to the (almost completely) Apple designed IEEE 1394-1995.
I repeat: Apple had nothing to do with the 4-pin Firewire port and most of all never used it.
The only reason why most Androids don't have covers available is their low production number and/or high production variances in dimensions that makes production of cases unprofitable. The fact that on the current Amazon best-seller list for Cell Phone Accessories the best selling case on #38 is for the Galaxy S5 is telling.
That said USB3 is pretty good.
Pretty good? I could go with that. But it could be better: 1) Should be able to carry more power
Just for reference: Apple computers (including notebooks) provided at least 7W per Firewire port.
Firewire: 3 connectors [4 and 6 pin for FW 400, 9 pin for FW 800].
Crazy.
Don't forget that Sony brought us the (unpowered) 4-pin "i.LINK" connector, not Apple.
The charge was led by Apple.
I have a 3rd gen iPod that can't even transfer files over USB, you must use Firewire.
Bullshit. It can't charge over USB - and that's because back than USB couldn't deliver enough power. Do you have to prove your lunacy in every Apple related discussion?
wanna try again? you seem to think apple is a computer company
There's only a hand-full of companies selling more computers world-wide. And all of them combined don't make as much money doing so as Apple.
those invited testers paid nothing to be download, test, and evaluate OS X betas.
You mean: those invited testers WERE paid nothing to download, test, and evaluate OS X betas.
Typically when a client wants me to test his product I'm getting paid. But I value my time and expertise (so do my clients), so YMMV.
Wait, what? Google owes me money for using their betas?
The point is that the Motorola design might be a cheaper solution, bit the phone simply looks shittier
Yes, because this looks MUCH better than this.
Maybe, but this looks better than this. Coincidently, that picture comes from a whole site dedicated to cracked Moto defy screens.
Close but not quite. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M...
In case you only complain because you can't find sapphire on that list - corundum in all colors but red is known as sapphire, red is ruby.