In a round-about way, yes, I believe he is saying that Samsung ripped off Apple. But in the same breath implied that Apple is stealing Samsung's shit. Which, as he said, everybody already knew that.
Funny how the "idea that Apple stole from Samsung" actually is from a patent Samsung didn't even buy before Apple violated it. Some true sign of Samsung innovation here, people.
[The Lightning connector's] licensing is controlled with an iron fist, compared to a lot of 1980s PCs that used standard (or at least unpatented) external interfaces [such as] RS-232 (serial ports), IEEE 1284 (parallel ports), IEEE 488 (Commodore disk interface), and NTSC (low- and standard-definition color monitors).
So you have to go back to things that haven't been used for years if no decades
Nor have 1980s PCs "been used for years if no decades". My point is that in the time of the 1980s PCs that I was talking about, these open interfaces were used.
Which would be a point to crow about if most interface in 1980s PC had been patent free. But even the 5-pin DIN PC keyboard interface was patented - and yes, every company using it had to pay royalties to IBM.
what does having the "open" USB as a "standard" interface gain Android devices?
Open interfaces such as USB and Bluetooth allow low-volume manufacturers to produce peripherals for particular vertical markets. Sure, each single niche peripheral is used by a possibly insignificant fraction of device owners, but the sum of all niche peripherals is probably a more significant fraction.
So instead of showing me the damn peripherals for Android devices, you give another reason why there should be some? And no, Bluetooth isn't low cost.
And the no-profit price is also the reason why Google actually only makes a few of them, officially to sell them to developers. "Only 19 left in stock."
Apple is mucking around with accounting numbers to argue that iPad sales haven't decreased. They may actually be correct. However, that's a moot point. What is inescapable is that iPad sales are not growing. And, this trend is not a single quarter phenomenon. What should be troubling for Apple is that the iPad doesn't appear to be following the iPhone growth in sales and that this growth slowdown has come at a much earlier product age.
As long as Android tablet sales are growing (that's what the Fandroid keep saying, don't they?) and PC sales are falling like mad - how does that proof that tablets aren't replacing PCs for many if not most?
you cannot volunteer your technology to become part of a standard and then later hold the industry (or competitors in the industry) to ransom by selectively refusing to license that technology on FRAND terms
Yawn. That ITC decision was invalidated - because it was bullshit. And everybody defending Samsung's practice to unilateral revocation of a licensing agreement for SEPs to a chipmaker if the chips are sold to Apple is a patent troll just like Samsung, only of a different kind.
[The Lightning connector's] licensing is controlled with an iron fist, compared to a lot of 1980s PCs that used standard (or at least unpatented) external interfaces.
Which interface would that be?
I can think of RS-232 (serial ports), IEEE 1284 (parallel ports), IEEE 488 (Commodore disk interface), and NTSC (low- and standard-definition color monitors). Or were those controlled at least as tightly as Apple's MFI program?
So you have to go back to things that haven't been used for years if no decades, and were developed before the majority of Slashdot readers have been born.
Ohh, BTW: what does having the "open" USB as a "standard" interface gain Android devices? It sure as hell isn't the number of peripherals which pales in comparison to those for Lightning, let alone those for the old Dock connector.
Most comments here are likely copies from posts made in the "Apple introduces iPad" discussion. Including the same wrong claims like the inability to use a real keyboard. With the same dumb people doing the same dumb moderations.
Jesus Christ, why do Fandroids have a problem typing "it[cursor right] ac[cursor right] w" into Google? With autocomplete that's all you need to find what you are really trying hard not to find.
> This is probably worse for iOS than being insecure.
> Their marketshare has fallen so far...
Ha. Apple won't care until this graph takes a sharp downward turn.
The '12 drop looks pretty sharp to me, and flat since then.
They could probably drop to 10% market share and still make the most money in the industry.
How, by selling products for ten times the going price? Seems like a recipe for 0% market share to me.
Nice theory - so why isn't their market share 0% yet? And frankly: making negative profit (as all Android makers but Samsung do) seems to be a much better recipe for 0% market share.
No, fucktard, you didn't offend me, you amused me with your stupidity. You can tell how stupid you are by not being able to tell. Thanks for the laugh.
Well, nobody gives a fuck that you don't give a fuck.
It was a question, iFanboi.
So you not only cared enough to post to a discussion you said nobody cared about, you even cared enough to reply to somebody pointing that out. What a sorry little iHateboy.
So you go with the "what I said is not what I meant" defense. Figures. Oh BTW, all Apple "devices" use a USB Plug to connect and charge too. Just not on the device. And in that they are exactly like most of the devices you were talking about, because neither uses STANDARD USB for charging. Because that would be too fucking slow.
Especially analysts that analyze Apple. These are the guys that say that Apple needs to release a razor thin margined cheap iPhone, and that they are going to die if they don't. Then, when Apple doesn't do that, they proclaim that they're doing it wrong, and that they are going to die. Then Apple continues to beat sales expectations.
Not to mention that the same analysts will point to falling margins as proof of doom.
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" Obsolescence on Android is far worse than it is on iOS" Android has people like cyanogenmod.com what does Apple customers have????
They have Apple, which doesn't concentrate their efforts on just a few dozen out of over thousand of devices.
In a round-about way, yes, I believe he is saying that Samsung ripped off Apple. But in the same breath implied that Apple is stealing Samsung's shit. Which, as he said, everybody already knew that.
Funny how the "idea that Apple stole from Samsung" actually is from a patent Samsung didn't even buy before Apple violated it. Some true sign of Samsung innovation here, people.
[The Lightning connector's] licensing is controlled with an iron fist, compared to a lot of 1980s PCs that used standard (or at least unpatented) external interfaces [such as] RS-232 (serial ports), IEEE 1284 (parallel ports), IEEE 488 (Commodore disk interface), and NTSC (low- and standard-definition color monitors).
So you have to go back to things that haven't been used for years if no decades
Nor have 1980s PCs "been used for years if no decades". My point is that in the time of the 1980s PCs that I was talking about, these open interfaces were used.
Which would be a point to crow about if most interface in 1980s PC had been patent free. But even the 5-pin DIN PC keyboard interface was patented - and yes, every company using it had to pay royalties to IBM.
what does having the "open" USB as a "standard" interface gain Android devices?
Open interfaces such as USB and Bluetooth allow low-volume manufacturers to produce peripherals for particular vertical markets. Sure, each single niche peripheral is used by a possibly insignificant fraction of device owners, but the sum of all niche peripherals is probably a more significant fraction.
So instead of showing me the damn peripherals for Android devices, you give another reason why there should be some? And no, Bluetooth isn't low cost.
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And the no-profit price is also the reason why Google actually only makes a few of them, officially to sell them to developers. "Only 19 left in stock."
Apple is mucking around with accounting numbers to argue that iPad sales haven't decreased. They may actually be correct. However, that's a moot point. What is inescapable is that iPad sales are not growing. And, this trend is not a single quarter phenomenon. What should be troubling for Apple is that the iPad doesn't appear to be following the iPhone growth in sales and that this growth slowdown has come at a much earlier product age.
As long as Android tablet sales are growing (that's what the Fandroid keep saying, don't they?) and PC sales are falling like mad - how does that proof that tablets aren't replacing PCs for many if not most?
you cannot volunteer your technology to become part of a standard and then later hold the industry (or competitors in the industry) to ransom by selectively refusing to license that technology on FRAND terms
You're got it backwards. It's Samsung that has "essential" patents and demanding payment but it's Apple that's refusing to pay anything for them
Yawn. That ITC decision was invalidated - because it was bullshit. And everybody defending Samsung's practice to unilateral revocation of a licensing agreement for SEPs to a chipmaker if the chips are sold to Apple is a patent troll just like Samsung, only of a different kind.
[The Lightning connector's] licensing is controlled with an iron fist, compared to a lot of 1980s PCs that used standard (or at least unpatented) external interfaces.
Which interface would that be?
I can think of RS-232 (serial ports), IEEE 1284 (parallel ports), IEEE 488 (Commodore disk interface), and NTSC (low- and standard-definition color monitors). Or were those controlled at least as tightly as Apple's MFI program?
So you have to go back to things that haven't been used for years if no decades, and were developed before the majority of Slashdot readers have been born.
Ohh, BTW: what does having the "open" USB as a "standard" interface gain Android devices? It sure as hell isn't the number of peripherals which pales in comparison to those for Lightning, let alone those for the old Dock connector.
a) it *has* an external port
Whose licensing is controlled with an iron fist, compared to a lot of 1980s PCs that used standard (or at least unpatented) external interfaces.
Which interface would that be? Hint: it can't be USB.
Perhaps sales are slowing down because of market saturation.
Perhaps iPad is getting its ass kicked by Android.
Funny, that's what they said the first time people gut suckered into buying cheap Chinese Android tablets.
Most comments here are likely copies from posts made in the "Apple introduces iPad" discussion. Including the same wrong claims like the inability to use a real keyboard. With the same dumb people doing the same dumb moderations.
There's a big difference between laughing at something because "haha I can relate to that" and "haha look at that nerd act dumb around people"
You must be confusing Big Bang Theory with reading Slashdot comments.
Get a real computer. Or Google how Google autocomplete works on Google devices.
Jesus Christ, why do Fandroids have a problem typing "it[cursor right] ac[cursor right] w" into Google? With autocomplete that's all you need to find what you are really trying hard not to find.
"Who cares what phone some illiterate sweatshop worker has?"
People who make malware and want it to spread as far as possible.
Favor market share over profits? Sounds like malware writers are like Amazon.
> This is probably worse for iOS than being insecure. > Their marketshare has fallen so far...
Ha. Apple won't care until this graph takes a sharp downward turn.
The '12 drop looks pretty sharp to me, and flat since then.
They could probably drop to 10% market share and still make the most money in the industry.
How, by selling products for ten times the going price? Seems like a recipe for 0% market share to me.
Nice theory - so why isn't their market share 0% yet? And frankly: making negative profit (as all Android makers but Samsung do) seems to be a much better recipe for 0% market share.
When Apple gets the market share that Android has, you'll see that Apple gets as many attacks as Android does.
When Apple had more market share, the malware rate was for Android was still way higher. Just that back then Symbian, Windows Mobile and J2ME beat Android by a wide margin. http://www.themobilewebtrends.com/2013/03/why-android-is-most-unsecure-mobile.html
No need to look at any further of your comments, the ones in this thread proof you a fucktard with no knowledge at all.
No, fucktard, you didn't offend me, you amused me with your stupidity. You can tell how stupid you are by not being able to tell. Thanks for the laugh.
It's not like Apple computers are much better. Their shiny plastics tend to discolor and crack.
They last long enough for you to still use one with a plastic case.
Well, nobody gives a fuck that you don't give a fuck.
It was a question, iFanboi.
So you not only cared enough to post to a discussion you said nobody cared about, you even cared enough to reply to somebody pointing that out. What a sorry little iHateboy.
We need Alien Nation(old tv show) screens, where they start out the size of cellphones, but then you unroll them to tablet size.
Wasn't that Earth: Final Conflict?
So you go with the "what I said is not what I meant" defense. Figures. Oh BTW, all Apple "devices" use a USB Plug to connect and charge too. Just not on the device. And in that they are exactly like most of the devices you were talking about, because neither uses STANDARD USB for charging. Because that would be too fucking slow.
Especially analysts that analyze Apple. These are the guys that say that Apple needs to release a razor thin margined cheap iPhone, and that they are going to die if they don't. Then, when Apple doesn't do that, they proclaim that they're doing it wrong, and that they are going to die. Then Apple continues to beat sales expectations.
Not to mention that the same analysts will point to falling margins as proof of doom.
It was never designed to connect any and all peripherals. You are completely missing this point.
I'm not missing that point at all. The use cases for Firewire and USB overlapped heavily
They didn't until USB 2.
> Last I checked, there still is not a good way to do this over gigabit ethernet.
HDbaseT is the standard for HDMI over CAT6.
Foobar-over-IP is not the same as Foobar-over-Ethernet is not the same as Foobar-over-CAT6.