Professors here and students are showing up here with iPads and MacBook Pros, and amazing, their prefer to pay them out of their own pockets than using the Uni standard Windows boxen - more fantastic yet, the % of this devices is enormous, we track them on our network statistics. I mean huge. Big firms like Cisco are giving people the choice between crapastic Windows notebooks and MacbookPros, and guess what they choose. People also hate windows mobile, and the ones that have one company issued, take it just for a show/brick, and use their own iphone. Even the anchors on cnn that is paid for product placement of surface, hate it, and use it as a holder for their iPads. This is what happens when you fuck with your customers. And Btw, I love my iPhone 6 and my Macbook Pro. I prefer to pay them using the lame alternatives.
People are rolling out Surfaces because Microsoft dumps them almost for free, but they could well be rolling steaming turds that we would not notice the difference, and would not touch them as well. Yes, mod me down at will.
In dealing with mail offices, I have found that pretty much there is no *consistency* on the service. Depending on the post office, I can get a horrible service, can go to another where they do no fucking care about servicing their customers, or can go to another where their standards are better than most private offices.
Doubt as much as you will. Why create a non-systemd fork when it is easier to migrate to another distro. And I will repeat that, last time I checked servers do not run systemd. If you want to enforce systemd on the desktop side, I really do not care, but leave the decision to myself what to install on my servers.
Someone who affirms Microsoft supports continuity of business, clearly has not both understand the industry and Microsoft business model. Microsoft is all about disrupting your experience every odd year, to sell you new versions of software and more training. I also agree Apple is not in the continuity business, at least on the binary continuity business, however the paradigm is quite far different.
Dont be daft. I pinned systemd and upgraded to 8.0 without any problems, which just shows there could be a choice, at least for now. If you do not value the presence of others in Debian, it is your problem too.
Congratulations CRCulver, you have detected a burner account. Someone who created an account to burn karma. If I were a slashdot admin, I would cross logs and kill all the accounts related to this one using the same IP address. (I know there are technical limitations to this solution, yep, please try to answer to what I am implying, and lets not get lost in the smartass technical details).
You can be pushed it the term. I just upgraded a couple of servers with sysinit, forgot to pin systemd to -1 in one, and it sysinit was replaced with systemd without any warning.
Well, who are you to say there are "right"? The beauty of Linux has always been choice. It is retarded to upgrade my 7.0 servers to 8.0 and be infected stupidity with systemd without needing it.
They could move forward as much as they want as long they do not make mandatory do use systemd. Which they do not need to. Must of us in server land do not need to install Gnome.
I 3as being sarcastic, and made a tipo. I do not have graphic/Gnome on my servers, only text mode, so why should I ever need *Gnome* dependencies? This week I upgraded two servers to Jessie and pinned systemd to -1 before the upgrade, and still fine without systemd. I do not appreciated Jessie tried to migrated me to systemd after I had an alternative installed and not any single dependency tough - without the package pinning. I may however take the breathing time Jessie gives me to migrate to FreeBSD.
I have servers with wheezy, and now a couple with Jessie and I still do not have systemd, even if I had to pin systemd to -1 in Jessie, but it is still doable. I would not stay tied to such an outdated distro. What are you migrating to? I am strongly considering FreeBSD.
Disclaimer I hate systemd. However, choose and been into debian for ages because it is one of the most linux distros out there with a sane packet management package. The fact that the core files are also text is a stroke of genius, I have done so much shit like repairing strange inconsistencies by hand or migrating live from 32 to 64 bits that would force me to a complete server reinstall on redhat, for instance.
It is not only ethics. It is about choice. i want to have the capability of putting together a minimalist 200MB-500MB server without any shit. Whats their problem if I do want and do not need systemd? Dont put dependencies there where they are not needed, or allow me to choose it with dummy packages.
interesting. As I said I had to pin systemd to -1 because the update from 7 to 8 by default installs systemd in a server without X or whatsoever. I am not that worried with the laptop, I just want a minimalist set of software on my servers.
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Professors here and students are showing up here with iPads and MacBook Pros, and amazing, their prefer to pay them out of their own pockets than using the Uni standard Windows boxen - more fantastic yet, the % of this devices is enormous, we track them on our network statistics. I mean huge. Big firms like Cisco are giving people the choice between crapastic Windows notebooks and MacbookPros, and guess what they choose. People also hate windows mobile, and the ones that have one company issued, take it just for a show/brick, and use their own iphone. Even the anchors on cnn that is paid for product placement of surface, hate it, and use it as a holder for their iPads. This is what happens when you fuck with your customers. And Btw, I love my iPhone 6 and my Macbook Pro. I prefer to pay them using the lame alternatives.
People are rolling out Surfaces because Microsoft dumps them almost for free, but they could well be rolling steaming turds that we would not notice the difference, and would not touch them as well. Yes, mod me down at will.
In dealing with mail offices, I have found that pretty much there is no *consistency* on the service. Depending on the post office, I can get a horrible service, can go to another where they do no fucking care about servicing their customers, or can go to another where their standards are better than most private offices.
So much for what? This is just counter-information, they are doing it as we speak.
So I am not entliled to have production and testing networks? Do you really make an effort to be an idiot or you dont need to?
Doubt as much as you will. Why create a non-systemd fork when it is easier to migrate to another distro. And I will repeat that, last time I checked servers do not run systemd. If you want to enforce systemd on the desktop side, I really do not care, but leave the decision to myself what to install on my servers.
Someone who affirms Microsoft supports continuity of business, clearly has not both understand the industry and Microsoft business model. Microsoft is all about disrupting your experience every odd year, to sell you new versions of software and more training. I also agree Apple is not in the continuity business, at least on the binary continuity business, however the paradigm is quite far different.
Dont be daft. I pinned systemd and upgraded to 8.0 without any problems, which just shows there could be a choice, at least for now. If you do not value the presence of others in Debian, it is your problem too.
Are you implying the only point of systemd is being controversial? ;)
Congratulations CRCulver, you have detected a burner account. Someone who created an account to burn karma. If I were a slashdot admin, I would cross logs and kill all the accounts related to this one using the same IP address. (I know there are technical limitations to this solution, yep, please try to answer to what I am implying, and lets not get lost in the smartass technical details).
You can be pushed it the term. I just upgraded a couple of servers with sysinit, forgot to pin systemd to -1 in one, and it sysinit was replaced with systemd without any warning.
Well, who are you to say there are "right"? The beauty of Linux has always been choice. It is retarded to upgrade my 7.0 servers to 8.0 and be infected stupidity with systemd without needing it.
Well put, and putting up to te point, what is it doing an uncompleted package as the default in Debian STABLE?
Or not use it at all, freedom of choice.
Very Very good good point. Minix, Xenix, SCO V, Ultrix, AIX, Solaris, HP/UX, OpenBSD, FreeBSD, RedHat, CentOS, Mandriva, Ubuntu, Debian
They could move forward as much as they want as long they do not make mandatory do use systemd. Which they do not need to. Must of us in server land do not need to install Gnome.
Now I wonder what a immature package is doing in Debian STABLE
nah, I just put the tag there as a warning to see if I had less idiots with half a brain like you commenting on obvious sarcastic comments.
I 3as being sarcastic, and made a tipo. I do not have graphic/Gnome on my servers, only text mode, so why should I ever need *Gnome* dependencies? This week I upgraded two servers to Jessie and pinned systemd to -1 before the upgrade, and still fine without systemd. I do not appreciated Jessie tried to migrated me to systemd after I had an alternative installed and not any single dependency tough - without the package pinning. I may however take the breathing time Jessie gives me to migrate to FreeBSD.
I have servers with wheezy, and now a couple with Jessie and I still do not have systemd, even if I had to pin systemd to -1 in Jessie, but it is still doable. I would not stay tied to such an outdated distro. What are you migrating to? I am strongly considering FreeBSD.
if you have servers with wheezy, pin systemd to -1 before upgrading them.
Disclaimer I hate systemd. However, choose and been into debian for ages because it is one of the most linux distros out there with a sane packet management package. The fact that the core files are also text is a stroke of genius, I have done so much shit like repairing strange inconsistencies by hand or migrating live from 32 to 64 bits that would force me to a complete server reinstall on redhat, for instance.
It is not only ethics. It is about choice. i want to have the capability of putting together a minimalist 200MB-500MB server without any shit. Whats their problem if I do want and do not need systemd? Dont put dependencies there where they are not needed, or allow me to choose it with dummy packages.
interesting. As I said I had to pin systemd to -1 because the update from 7 to 8 by default installs systemd in a server without X or whatsoever. I am not that worried with the laptop, I just want a minimalist set of software on my servers.
I am against system, however the point of all this is that the *kernel* is becoming the hypervisor.