I would ask another different question altogether, why do companies use rookies, out of the university recruiters who have no experience of life, no work experience, not yet fully developed into essential skills to interview seasoned people...and often they are insulting you, merely following orders, and are not aware of that. I play them all of the way when I want, however it is a negative point for the interview on my book.
I do not mind so much of full stack devops, but far more of mixing sysadmin positions with helpdesk roles. If the position clearly states being on call, and more precisely rotating hours, than I am off. We all know we are always on call, if they need to state that, it is a strong hint something is dysfunctional there.
hint, go back in a couple of job boards/sites and see how many times/months they have been adverting that position. Some of that fake posts are very easy to detect just by the sheer number of the adverts.
I usually get a lot of invitations through linked.in. Nevertheless, I am not always open to play the interview game. Often because I already know the salary will be low, or the advert is badly worded, or they have unrealistic expectations, or is too vague, or they ask for a lot of technologies instead of focusing in a core competency (i.e. they do not know what they want or are dysfunctional), or the firm is small, or the core industry of the employer is on a field that turns me off. Also I am easily turned off on interviews if screened by inexperience people, or by the firm location, or poor installations, and I am not exactly thrilled to know I will be working in an open space.
You realize 40% or more of the adverts are fake, just to boost the public and the stockholders opinion of the company (hey they are hiring, things look pretty good), and/or just to keep the HR people busy and collect CVs for another sunny day, right?
In many parts of the civilised world, there is the evaluation period where any of the two parts can terminate the contract, usually several months, here usually six, and for special technical jobs where expertise and experience is relevant, nine months, without any compensation. So if your short evaluation was wrong, you have really several months to mull it over.
After many years in the industry, and being in both sides of the fence, I think I already saw it all. From bitchy interviewers, to clueless ones, to the inexperience and naive, to the mechanical ones that are just there to make a tick on the requirements, to the bureaucratic ones...The most efficient HR process I have ever witnessed was Amazon, where the actual techies are interviewing, and they are typically nice too. The best interviewer I ever met, was only by skype and was like a friend when talking (no, no illusions there, but the guy was really good). The best ever single hire call I had was a brit guy that seemed to be on a rant after a couple of beers, but extremely nice and attentive. The more nice approach again by other brit. The worse interviews I had where collectively from Gibraltar, they seem to be lost, do not know what they want, their job descripts are totally mixed up, often they seem to want it all, a jack of all trades who knows nothing, and to top if off, they often offer less than you are earning. The worst interview of all was by a medical company, cynical HR corporate bimbo who asked me what I was doing there as I already had a nice job. On the other side of the fence, I met everything, specially when interviewing for entry level helpdesk people, from the naive guy that was the expert on the field because he installed linux at home, from the Indian with lots of credentials and certifications who could not answer the more basic questions, to the guy that came to the interview high on drugs, or the nice lady who did not know what she wanted to do for a living and was there just because the job was nice.
Often hiring subcontractors, is also a shift-blaming game. Difficult or controversial projects are more prone to be subcontracted. And here we also have the fashion of fake "subcontractors" that have a small firm for facade, but have been on the same very "client" for several years.
There are people with "social issues" in every walk of life, do not be daft. And I would prefer to deal any deal with someone with Aspergers than with sociopaths. There are far worse problems out there. People will be people, and the only problem you and HR seems to often realize, is that interview is a two-way street, applicants are also interviewing and evaluating them.The major problem there is with IT, is that people do not often understand what IT people do, what it does they bring to the table, and truth is, they do not value and do not want to make them valued, because they want to pay lesser salaries, and are afraid they will outrun then in the run for the corporate ladder. And more often than enough, it is terrible enough to try and deal with educated people as you deal with janitors. The rest is just smoke and screens. If you are afraid of IT people, you must be doing something wrong, not giving them a fit on your organisation, not valuing them, and not paying them well enough. And apparently, your organization is too well aware of that.
Please someone mod this up. I would like to had that often you also have to take care with people in HR, as often they are family of someone important up the ladder.
First, to not be wrongly understood, let me say you that a job wont ever be perfect. There will be there the parts that you want, and the parts you do not want. As far of getting experience on the job, you have to work your ass, and learn some. Try it at home, get small (poorly) paid jobs via portals for one task jobs, do some extra work for small firms around your area, heck do some volunteer sysadmin work if you really want to get down to it. As for your complaint, realise that by this time, things wont change ever. Move jobs to get more experience. As a tip, IT jobs in academia or IT shops are the better ones for learning, in other places they do not have the slighest idea what IT is or what you want, and you get lost in menial tasks instead of thinking ahead and doing things properly, and often they see you as a mix of clerk, janitor and some weirdo who knows more of technology than them.
If depends on the culture too. It would help to tell us which part of the world you are coming from. Some cultures do tend to overrate what they do and have the we can do it all approach and make bullshit all along, others do not.
Wrong...good candidates do not interview much more because they value much more their personal and professional time than going to the motions to be insulted with relatively low offers.
The interviewers that are capable of judging the candidates competency for the job are far and between. I told recently an Italian lady called from Dublin for one of the bigger HR firms there, that basically the interview was ofter in the first 2 minutes of the interview. I wont allow the line of the interview and the first phrase to be "how much do you earn? - Why should you want to know that? To know if you are apt to the job..." Has not she seen my linked profile? Am I supposed to ask back how much she makes? She even not realised she was insulting me, and that is an enormous social faux-pas. She also seemed very green.
I have already found interviewers with lack a terrible lack of experience in life, social skills and completely ignorant of the technical aspects of the job, and to top it off, they did even know what the people they were hiring were supposed to do. Would I work with for a organisation that employs people like that AND allows them to be their face to the world? Hell, no, thanks, but no thanks. They failed ON MY interview.
Well, than it would be better to hire a junior candidate and save your salary, no? Either you are a troll, are an arrogant ass who thinks it is the exception on the market, or are in some 3rd world country. How much are you offering your "senior" applicants btw, would you be willing to tell us?
Unless you have an HP netbook like I had where they whitelisted the wifi because that particular model was being used and bought to be used as an hackintosh... Idiots.
It is not like that she could not write it ON PAPER. Often in a while I also had that happening to me on my Macbook Pro, keys getting stuck, and had to close the lid to fix it quickly, though with newer versions of OS/X, that has not happened for a long while. However I was not paranoid enough that was the gov after me.
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Maybe he is used to do it, and this time forgot to bring money to bribe someone.
I would ask another different question altogether, why do companies use rookies, out of the university recruiters who have no experience of life, no work experience, not yet fully developed into essential skills to interview seasoned people...and often they are insulting you, merely following orders, and are not aware of that. I play them all of the way when I want, however it is a negative point for the interview on my book.
I do not mind so much of full stack devops, but far more of mixing sysadmin positions with helpdesk roles. If the position clearly states being on call, and more precisely rotating hours, than I am off. We all know we are always on call, if they need to state that, it is a strong hint something is dysfunctional there.
hint, go back in a couple of job boards/sites and see how many times/months they have been adverting that position. Some of that fake posts are very easy to detect just by the sheer number of the adverts.
I usually get a lot of invitations through linked.in. Nevertheless, I am not always open to play the interview game. Often because I already know the salary will be low, or the advert is badly worded, or they have unrealistic expectations, or is too vague, or they ask for a lot of technologies instead of focusing in a core competency (i.e. they do not know what they want or are dysfunctional), or the firm is small, or the core industry of the employer is on a field that turns me off. Also I am easily turned off on interviews if screened by inexperience people, or by the firm location, or poor installations, and I am not exactly thrilled to know I will be working in an open space.
You realize 40% or more of the adverts are fake, just to boost the public and the stockholders opinion of the company (hey they are hiring, things look pretty good), and/or just to keep the HR people busy and collect CVs for another sunny day, right?
In many parts of the civilised world, there is the evaluation period where any of the two parts can terminate the contract, usually several months, here usually six, and for special technical jobs where expertise and experience is relevant, nine months, without any compensation. So if your short evaluation was wrong, you have really several months to mull it over.
After many years in the industry, and being in both sides of the fence, I think I already saw it all. From bitchy interviewers, to clueless ones, to the inexperience and naive, to the mechanical ones that are just there to make a tick on the requirements, to the bureaucratic ones...The most efficient HR process I have ever witnessed was Amazon, where the actual techies are interviewing, and they are typically nice too. The best interviewer I ever met, was only by skype and was like a friend when talking (no, no illusions there, but the guy was really good). The best ever single hire call I had was a brit guy that seemed to be on a rant after a couple of beers, but extremely nice and attentive. The more nice approach again by other brit. The worse interviews I had where collectively from Gibraltar, they seem to be lost, do not know what they want, their job descripts are totally mixed up, often they seem to want it all, a jack of all trades who knows nothing, and to top if off, they often offer less than you are earning. The worst interview of all was by a medical company, cynical HR corporate bimbo who asked me what I was doing there as I already had a nice job. On the other side of the fence, I met everything, specially when interviewing for entry level helpdesk people, from the naive guy that was the expert on the field because he installed linux at home, from the Indian with lots of credentials and certifications who could not answer the more basic questions, to the guy that came to the interview high on drugs, or the nice lady who did not know what she wanted to do for a living and was there just because the job was nice.
Often hiring subcontractors, is also a shift-blaming game. Difficult or controversial projects are more prone to be subcontracted. And here we also have the fashion of fake "subcontractors" that have a small firm for facade, but have been on the same very "client" for several years.
There are people with "social issues" in every walk of life, do not be daft. And I would prefer to deal any deal with someone with Aspergers than with sociopaths. There are far worse problems out there. People will be people, and the only problem you and HR seems to often realize, is that interview is a two-way street, applicants are also interviewing and evaluating them.The major problem there is with IT, is that people do not often understand what IT people do, what it does they bring to the table, and truth is, they do not value and do not want to make them valued, because they want to pay lesser salaries, and are afraid they will outrun then in the run for the corporate ladder. And more often than enough, it is terrible enough to try and deal with educated people as you deal with janitors. The rest is just smoke and screens. If you are afraid of IT people, you must be doing something wrong, not giving them a fit on your organisation, not valuing them, and not paying them well enough. And apparently, your organization is too well aware of that.
Please someone mod this up. I would like to had that often you also have to take care with people in HR, as often they are family of someone important up the ladder.
First, to not be wrongly understood, let me say you that a job wont ever be perfect. There will be there the parts that you want, and the parts you do not want. As far of getting experience on the job, you have to work your ass, and learn some. Try it at home, get small (poorly) paid jobs via portals for one task jobs, do some extra work for small firms around your area, heck do some volunteer sysadmin work if you really want to get down to it. As for your complaint, realise that by this time, things wont change ever. Move jobs to get more experience. As a tip, IT jobs in academia or IT shops are the better ones for learning, in other places they do not have the slighest idea what IT is or what you want, and you get lost in menial tasks instead of thinking ahead and doing things properly, and often they see you as a mix of clerk, janitor and some weirdo who knows more of technology than them.
If depends on the culture too. It would help to tell us which part of the world you are coming from. Some cultures do tend to overrate what they do and have the we can do it all approach and make bullshit all along, others do not.
Yep, true, and currently they do not even realize I am not so keen in talking with them up front if they do not go ahead with a real job descript.
Wrong...good candidates do not interview much more because they value much more their personal and professional time than going to the motions to be insulted with relatively low offers.
The interviewers that are capable of judging the candidates competency for the job are far and between. I told recently an Italian lady called from Dublin for one of the bigger HR firms there, that basically the interview was ofter in the first 2 minutes of the interview. I wont allow the line of the interview and the first phrase to be "how much do you earn? - Why should you want to know that? To know if you are apt to the job..." Has not she seen my linked profile? Am I supposed to ask back how much she makes? She even not realised she was insulting me, and that is an enormous social faux-pas. She also seemed very green.
I have already found interviewers with lack a terrible lack of experience in life, social skills and completely ignorant of the technical aspects of the job, and to top it off, they did even know what the people they were hiring were supposed to do. Would I work with for a organisation that employs people like that AND allows them to be their face to the world? Hell, no, thanks, but no thanks. They failed ON MY interview.
Well, than it would be better to hire a junior candidate and save your salary, no? Either you are a troll, are an arrogant ass who thinks it is the exception on the market, or are in some 3rd world country. How much are you offering your "senior" applicants btw, would you be willing to tell us?
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Unless you have an HP netbook like I had where they whitelisted the wifi because that particular model was being used and bought to be used as an hackintosh... Idiots.
the bullshit is more costly than the hardware, apparently...
The merchants are well aware that with Apple Pay, bye bye customer data mining...
I think the so called computer experts saw an opportunity to get some money out of someone gullible enough.
It is not like that she could not write it ON PAPER. Often in a while I also had that happening to me on my Macbook Pro, keys getting stuck, and had to close the lid to fix it quickly, though with newer versions of OS/X, that has not happened for a long while. However I was not paranoid enough that was the gov after me.
preseeding in Debian is far more easier than FAI IMO. Why are you using FAI? I would be interested to know really.