fine, then either monoprice sells a lamp socket converter or everybody rates the iLamp one star on amazon. fanbois get screwed, apple gets punished in the marketplace, and everybody wins. don't you get that? we don't need government telling us what's best for us?
ok, it sounds like we have a compromise. i was a dick in the slashdot blowhard tradition, but this issue should remain among blowhards not the govt. cool. i'm glad you're satisfied with your phone charging arrangement.
the idea here isn't cable incompatibility. your choices are none of my business. the idea here is that a government body thinks they know what's best for everybody, and they're going to mandate a technical deciion. i should be able to choose what i want to do. even if that means i may find myself without a cable. what does anybody care? mind your own business, and don't regulate me. that's all i'm saying.
who's being a dick? me, who just wants to be left alone, or the EU, who's trying to make me do somethign I don't want to do? eff them.
cool. it's none of my business what you choose to do. all i'm asking is you respect my right to do what i want, and not try to "know what's best" for me and force me down a particular technological standard. get it?
i don't care where you put your cable. it's none of my business. all i'm asking is that everybody not try to tell me what is "best for me" and let me make my own decisions.
vice versa. the only difference is, my kind wants to be left alone to do what he wants, and your kind thinks you know best and wants to tell everybody what they should do. eff you.
my point is that the consumer should choose whether he wants to be "inconvenienced" by the lack of ubiquitous charging cables. I choose to accept that inconvenience. Yet a government body in another country feels that they know best and that inconvenience should be illegal. and by legislating an entire continent, they force apple to choose between making two phone models and selling the microUSB version to everybody. so eff them! I'm sure you understand my point here as well.
OK, let's assume your're right and Apple made a strategic error by choosing a proprietary connector. So what? They made a blunder. Is it the job of EU to "fix" apple? obv no. eu should butt out and let apple fail, if that's what they think will happen. then everybody will have microUSB and everybody wins, according to your standard! in the meantime, don't try to regulate me and kiss my butt.
yes. why not let me choose? what do you care what choices I make? butt out!
i happen to like the lightning charger, and would be POd if it got retired because of a stupid european law from 6000 miles away. i didn't get to vote for european parliament, so why should they regulate me? eff them all.
THEN BRING YOUR CHARGER. what's the BFD? Laptop chargers are all different, and nobody cries about it. the solution? bring your f'n charger? or alternatively, pass EU legislation making companies do what you think is best for the stupidest reason ever.
you know why i'm not limiting my adaptability heavily? I BRING MY CHARGER. you europeans are very sad. why don't you deal with your economic crisis instead of this tripe?
it's not inconvenient for me BECAUSE I ONLY HAVE ONE PHONE. I take my cable with me. Even if it used a standard microUSB, there's no guarantee that there would be a microUSB charging cable at my destination, so I would take a charger anyway.
The primary reason you switched from an iPHone was a phantom cable inconvenience? that is so totally lame it strains credulity. but even if it is true, you're all set now, so why legislate people who you don't have any dealings with. considering you're already on android why do you care if people on iphone need to carry a cable?
see the above comemnt. companies can choose to use standards and it's usually in their best interest. dell can use all the dell-proprietary memory they want. nobody is mandating that dell use regular memory. get it? i'm not arguing against the standard, just mandating the standard.
there's a difference between creating a standard and mandating the use of the standard. note that nobody is forced to use usb connectors for their keyboards, they're free to use whatever they want. overregulation kills industry and kills countires.
the euro govt sucks and oversteps their bounds, which is why euro companies don't innovate and eu is a second-world region. nokia is now owned by microsoft. good job with phone innovation
why restrict innovation in the name of some marginal save the environment? apple is already the greenest supply chain. if you want to move the ball forward, make others upgrade their processes to apple's standards, rather than forcing apple to use deadly cables instead of pvc-free. or just butt out completely and solve your own financial problems first, so you stop dragging down the whole economy. sucks when EVERYBODY is on the dole or the pension, and there's nobody left to pay these things.
so you're agreeing with me? anybody can reuse a charger with a usb out, and apple just provides a different cable than others? I agree, this makes a whole bunch of sense. problem solved!
The EU's mandate doesn't come from a love of micro-USB, but rather the need for a standard, whatever that is.
where is this need? were planes falling out of the sky? eu is legislating something that belongs to the market, and using heavy handed politics to do so.
USB is by far the most popular combined power/data cable standard around, micro-usb is designed to be both smaller and more robust than the previous mini-usb standard it replaced (thus micro-usb is the official usb connector), it's the blatantly obvious choice. What kind of tests do you think they should have run that wouldn't have been an absolute waste of time and money?
why should the EU MANDATE anything in this regard? let companies choose whats best for their designs. EU makes me barf sometimes. hint hint: let companies design the best products for less money and your economy will grow.
they have a micro-usb plug that converts from microusb to lightning. what's the big idea here? in america we believe in something called private enterprise. where people can make products and sell them. in europe they believe the govt should drive all product and buying decisions. let me check with greece, italy, and spain to see how that's going. why don't you just stfu and let people buy stuff that they want to buy?
I cannot comprehend why everybody feels so strongly about micro usb. why should all developers be pushed to the same standard, if they don't want to do so? obv apple feels there are technical and competitve reasons to like lightning connectors, isn't that their perogative? Is this the most pressing issue for EU to deal with right now?
before people jump down my throat, apple sells a tiny adapter that you put on a micro usb cable. i don't see what the big deal is! also their lighting cable connects to a USB on the other end!
as an iphone user, it's not like i need to interface with a billion random cables. have charger, will travel.
just sayin man trying to give you a little perspective. there are poor people in china who ride their bikes 500km/yr without hydraulic brakes and carbon fiber frames. I say just enjoy the ride, and don't worry about these deers!
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fine, then either monoprice sells a lamp socket converter or everybody rates the iLamp one star on amazon. fanbois get screwed, apple gets punished in the marketplace, and everybody wins. don't you get that? we don't need government telling us what's best for us?
ok, it sounds like we have a compromise. i was a dick in the slashdot blowhard tradition, but this issue should remain among blowhards not the govt. cool. i'm glad you're satisfied with your phone charging arrangement.
the idea here isn't cable incompatibility. your choices are none of my business. the idea here is that a government body thinks they know what's best for everybody, and they're going to mandate a technical deciion. i should be able to choose what i want to do. even if that means i may find myself without a cable. what does anybody care? mind your own business, and don't regulate me. that's all i'm saying.
who's being a dick? me, who just wants to be left alone, or the EU, who's trying to make me do somethign I don't want to do? eff them.
cool. it's none of my business what you choose to do. all i'm asking is you respect my right to do what i want, and not try to "know what's best" for me and force me down a particular technological standard. get it?
i don't care where you put your cable. it's none of my business. all i'm asking is that everybody not try to tell me what is "best for me" and let me make my own decisions.
vice versa. the only difference is, my kind wants to be left alone to do what he wants, and your kind thinks you know best and wants to tell everybody what they should do. eff you.
my point is that the consumer should choose whether he wants to be "inconvenienced" by the lack of ubiquitous charging cables. I choose to accept that inconvenience. Yet a government body in another country feels that they know best and that inconvenience should be illegal. and by legislating an entire continent, they force apple to choose between making two phone models and selling the microUSB version to everybody. so eff them! I'm sure you understand my point here as well.
cool. non apple world standardsized. apple decided not to do it. so what?
OK, let's assume your're right and Apple made a strategic error by choosing a proprietary connector. So what? They made a blunder. Is it the job of EU to "fix" apple? obv no. eu should butt out and let apple fail, if that's what they think will happen. then everybody will have microUSB and everybody wins, according to your standard! in the meantime, don't try to regulate me and kiss my butt.
yes. why not let me choose? what do you care what choices I make? butt out!
i happen to like the lightning charger, and would be POd if it got retired because of a stupid european law from 6000 miles away. i didn't get to vote for european parliament, so why should they regulate me? eff them all.
THEN BRING YOUR CHARGER. what's the BFD? Laptop chargers are all different, and nobody cries about it. the solution? bring your f'n charger? or alternatively, pass EU legislation making companies do what you think is best for the stupidest reason ever.
you know why i'm not limiting my adaptability heavily? I BRING MY CHARGER. you europeans are very sad. why don't you deal with your economic crisis instead of this tripe?
it's not inconvenient for me BECAUSE I ONLY HAVE ONE PHONE. I take my cable with me. Even if it used a standard microUSB, there's no guarantee that there would be a microUSB charging cable at my destination, so I would take a charger anyway.
The primary reason you switched from an iPHone was a phantom cable inconvenience? that is so totally lame it strains credulity. but even if it is true, you're all set now, so why legislate people who you don't have any dealings with. considering you're already on android why do you care if people on iphone need to carry a cable?
I should get to choose what I want rather than the nanny govt telling me what's best for me.
how is this relevant? hint: it's not.
see the above comemnt. companies can choose to use standards and it's usually in their best interest. dell can use all the dell-proprietary memory they want. nobody is mandating that dell use regular memory. get it? i'm not arguing against the standard, just mandating the standard.
there's a difference between creating a standard and mandating the use of the standard. note that nobody is forced to use usb connectors for their keyboards, they're free to use whatever they want. overregulation kills industry and kills countires.
the euro govt sucks and oversteps their bounds, which is why euro companies don't innovate and eu is a second-world region. nokia is now owned by microsoft. good job with phone innovation
why restrict innovation in the name of some marginal save the environment? apple is already the greenest supply chain. if you want to move the ball forward, make others upgrade their processes to apple's standards, rather than forcing apple to use deadly cables instead of pvc-free. or just butt out completely and solve your own financial problems first, so you stop dragging down the whole economy. sucks when EVERYBODY is on the dole or the pension, and there's nobody left to pay these things.
so you're agreeing with me? anybody can reuse a charger with a usb out, and apple just provides a different cable than others? I agree, this makes a whole bunch of sense. problem solved!
The EU's mandate doesn't come from a love of micro-USB, but rather the need for a standard, whatever that is.
where is this need? were planes falling out of the sky? eu is legislating something that belongs to the market, and using heavy handed politics to do so.
USB is by far the most popular combined power/data cable standard around, micro-usb is designed to be both smaller and more robust than the previous mini-usb standard it replaced (thus micro-usb is the official usb connector), it's the blatantly obvious choice. What kind of tests do you think they should have run that wouldn't have been an absolute waste of time and money?
why should the EU MANDATE anything in this regard? let companies choose whats best for their designs. EU makes me barf sometimes. hint hint: let companies design the best products for less money and your economy will grow.
they have a micro-usb plug that converts from microusb to lightning. what's the big idea here? in america we believe in something called private enterprise. where people can make products and sell them. in europe they believe the govt should drive all product and buying decisions. let me check with greece, italy, and spain to see how that's going. why don't you just stfu and let people buy stuff that they want to buy?
Introducing the iLamp (requires iBulbs). See the problem?
no, i don't see the problem. so fucking what, i want to buy an ilamp that requires special bulbs. isn't that my choice? please help me understand!
I cannot comprehend why everybody feels so strongly about micro usb. why should all developers be pushed to the same standard, if they don't want to do so? obv apple feels there are technical and competitve reasons to like lightning connectors, isn't that their perogative? Is this the most pressing issue for EU to deal with right now?
before people jump down my throat, apple sells a tiny adapter that you put on a micro usb cable. i don't see what the big deal is! also their lighting cable connects to a USB on the other end!
as an iphone user, it's not like i need to interface with a billion random cables. have charger, will travel.
just sayin man trying to give you a little perspective. there are poor people in china who ride their bikes 500km/yr without hydraulic brakes and carbon fiber frames. I say just enjoy the ride, and don't worry about these deers!