> From the article: > "When outside air temperature is too warm for free cooling, the data center’s adiabatic cooling system
Which is funny, because the word adiabatic means something that does not get rid of heat, or draw in heat, from the outside. An adiabatic system would cool the building by drawing a vacuum, sucking all of the air out of the building. The decreasing air pressure would lower the temperature for a few minutes. Since you can't keep lowering the air pressure below absolute vacuum, the servers would melt after a few minutes.
Perhaps they meant to say "diabatic cooling system". A diabatic system is one that gets rid of heat (or draws in heat). Of course that's also the definition of "cooling", so if that's what they meant, it's a snobbish way of saying "cooling cooling system". With the a prefix, it's "non-cooling cooling system", which is gibberish. Unless of course by "abiatic (non-cooling) cooling system", they mean "cooling system that doesn't col, one that doesn't work". If on 100F days they are relying on a abiatic aka non-cooling aka broken cooling system, I don't think I want my servers there. I had a taste of that when I had servers at Alphared.
In Portland, it's reasonably cool MOST OF THE TIME. Temperatures reach or exceed 90 F (32 C) on 14 days per year and reach or exceed 100 F (38 C) on 1.4 days per year on average.
I'm thinking this project will last about 350 days.
> the minimum output of variable sources like wind. If you have enough turbines the wind is always blowing somewhere, and the overall output of the entire fleet never drops below some predictable level.
Not at all true, but it doesn't need to be. The energy in a fluid , such as air / wind, is proportional to the velocity SQUARED. In other words, if a 10 MPH wind has 100 units of energy, a 30 MPH wind has 625 units. A light breeze of 5 MPH, just 25 units. 40 MPH, 1600 units.
So suppose you build a turbine with a design speed of 25 MPH (625 units). You don't want it to fall apart in higher winds, so the blades, bearings etc need to be big and heavy enough to handle over 1,000 units. That means you'll have friction and other losses of about 25 units. Notice the loss is the same as 5 MPH of wind - you get zero energy production at 5 MPH. At 10 MPH, energy output is negligible. At much above the design speed, the force on the structure quickly becomes much higher than the 625 it's designed for, so the blades are rotated and such to work AGAINST the wind, to avoid having the turbine tower blown over or spin apart. These facts combine to mean turbines produce a useful amount of power only within a narrow range of wind speeds. Unfortunately, the rule power = velocity squared is a fundamental fact of physics. You can't change that by inventing a new type of battery chemistry or something.
If you look at a radar map of the US, you'll see one or two weather systems covering nearly a million square miles moving across the country. Missouri may be on the north end of a system while the southern wind of the system is in central Texas. That's pretty typical that the radar will show one or two systems for the whole country. So it's simply not true that the country as a whole always has "average" weather, that the wind is always 25 over much of the country. The fact is, a windy system will move across the country one week, then the next week heat wave will tour the country.
If you wanted to use wind as your "stable" primary energy source, you'd need a week of storage.
Fortunately not all energy needs to be a stable primary supply. If wind produces good power 10% of the time, you can reduce the use of natural gas generators 10% of the time. That's a good thing! If solar heating heats just your hot water, just 30% of the time, that's a lot of natural gas that doesn't need to be burned.
Since they are often idealists, it's not surprising that advocates of renewable energy always have their eye on renewables as a complete replacement for primary electrical generation, but it's sad because it means we've almost completely missed some great opportunities to make a big difference. Th syn is REALLY good at heating things up. If you've left water in your garden hose in the summer, you know making an effective solar water heater is dead simple - so simple most of us have done it on accident. Yet, most of us heat our water by burning fossil fuels. Why? Because we've ignored the obvious, simple, effective wins as we focus on the holy grail. We've spent tens of billions of dollars on solar electric and a workable solution is always five years and two billion dollars away. For half that money, we could have converted all homes to solar water heating AND mostly solved world hunger with the billions left over.
The name Firefox was chosen specifically to avoid describing the product, because a descriptive name like Internet Explorer or Office cane be trademarked, thereby meaning anyone can make a browser and call it Internet Explorer, or Browser.
There was another browser before Microsoft's that was called Internet Explorer. When the guy who made the original Internet Explorer sued for copyright infringement, Microsoft pointed out that's just a description, not a protectable name. I don't recall if the judge agreed in that particular case, but certainly we have Star Office, Open Office, etc. - there's nothing preventing other companies from selling office software called Office, so in that regard. Microsoft chose a terrible name - it's a name Apple can use too, selling a competing application suite.
If you've ever wondered why cars have such weird names, mainly being named after animals and other random shit, that's why. Chevrolet can't sell a sports car and call Mustang, because where cars are concerned, Mustang means Ford. Had Ford used the name Power rather than Mustang, every other car company could also call their muscle car a Power.
There are several ways. Some use the fact that file handles aren't chrooted. You can, for example, call fchdir() with handle inside the chroot, then chdir(..) several times. If the wrapper changed the working directory of the process before chroot, the escape code needs to fchdir to a directory other than the chroot root, so it'll mkdir first.
There IS some level of inconvenience to escaping chroot, so there is a degree of security against an unsophisticated attack. I guess it could be compared to locking a window - that'll make the window less convenient to open, but simply throwing a rock at it will do the trick.
Have you tried that recently? I just did it on my wife's Chromebook two different ways. It's slightly EASIER than with a regular computer. I didn't try a third way that should also work.
The file picker dialog has two main folders, called Drive and Downloads. Google Docs has been merged with Google Drive, so tat icon labeled Drive is her Google Docs. I just tried that and it works. One could also do what you'd do on a regular computer - download from Drive and upload via the browser.
If she had Dropbox installed, that would also appear as a folder I think. But really the extremely easy way is to click "Upload" then choose "Drive".
It's trivial to step out of chroot. Chroot was not designed for security. It's very similar to cd and getting out basically consists of making a symlink and doing cd. Chroot is for cross-compiling, installing grub, etc. - changing the DEFAULT. value of / that your session uses.
AMD's virtualization is much more appropriate for security, as it's designed to make it such that a guest can't even KNOW whether it's a guest or not, much less escape and access the host system.
For those who didn't read TFS, the project is led by people with a track record of getting things done. One team member helped design, and named, the RISC architecture. Others are leaders of the Raspberry Pi project. That suggests these people know how to do this sort of thing successfully.
I was surprised how useful Chrome OS is. My wife wanted a small laptop that would boot quickly, so I bought a Chromebook and installed Ubuntu. I left Chrome OS as a dual boot option. It's been several months and she hasn't had any reason to boot Linux yet. Chrome OS does everything she wants to do, and the instant boot is extremely convenient. She had Linux on her desktop, so it's not unfamiliar to her, it's just unnecessary.
> I suppose one could set up a set of RAM disks mapped to the appropriate paths if there is enough memory available in the VM, but those would only exist for the current session and would get wiped out each time the VM was shut down.
Yep, that's generally how you do it. As the title of my post suggests, you can also use on-disk snapshots for that, so again any altered files are reset on reboot. Reboot can take only seconds because many of the OS disk blocks are cached in host RAM. Live CDs have those paths all worked out and you can customize from that basis. Even simpler, you CAN just run a live CD directly. CD-R is physically read-only after it has been burned, so you can be certain that no malware or hackers have modified your system.
Are you expecting high performance from Microsoft IE, in their JScript engine?
One of the reasons Chrome EXISTS is to provide a high performance platform for Google Docs, Gmail and similar large JavaScript applications. These are the applications that intend to replace Microsoft' s cash cow, Office. It would be better for MS to stop shipping IE at all than for them to provide an excellent platform in which to run Google Docs.
I learned on Slashdot that Verizon is evil for not investing billions in upgrading their network to fiber. Now you tell me they've already upgraded half of their customers to fiber. Since they ARE upgrading their network to fiber, that's now evil. I'm confused. I'm sure Verizon is evil of course, but are they evil for upgrading to fiber or for not upgrading to fiber?
You COULD modify the hardware etc., or just fire up Virtualbox, KVM, or qemu full screen for your web browsing and such. Set the virtualized image read-only, except when installing new software on it.
Beneath the virtual machine can either be a dedicated hypervisor or an very small Linux installation which has only a tiny attack surface.
TFS says: > many otherwise well-informed people think they have to do something wrong, or stupid, or insecure to get hacked—like clicking on the wrong attachments, or browsing malicious websites...many of these commonly held beliefs are not necessarily true.... [Adobe Flash can be exploited by an ISP].
Hmm, so you don't have to do something stupid or insecure, just run Flash and Java.:)
Flash is mostly used for ads and malware, neither of which I want, so I don't run Flash in my default browsers. For many years, there has been precisely one site for which I ever had any interest in having Flash installed, that was Youtube. Not anymore. Youtube no longer requires Flash. https://www.youtube.com/html5
> legally binding climate policy in the United States, requiring that California's greenhouse gas emissions return to 1990 levels by the year 2020.
The passed a law declaring what the total greenhouse gas emissions will be? Is that like the Indiana bill declaring that pi is 4? If they can just pass a law and that'll make it so, why don't they pass a law that in 2020 California's unemployment rate will be as low as Texas, as opposed to more than 50% higher? Passing a law changes the facts, right?
> The future of mass instruction... because it's the new high school diploma? Sure. > The future of tomorrow's entrepreneurs and inventors? Nope.
I'd say the exact opposite. I've started a few businesses, and sold a couple, working for myself full-time for many years, so I suppose I qualify as an entrepreneur. Two of those companies are based on things I "invented", or at least "innovated", so I suppose I qualify as "entrepreneurs and inventors". I'd take online learning over sitting in a class room any day. In fact, I've gone back to school, and my classes are 100% online.
I'd think that people who wish come in, to sit at a desk and have their employer tell them what to do are the same people who want to come in, sit at a desk, and have their instructor tell them what to do. Many people like an arrangement where if they show up 40 hours a week and make a reasonable effort, their paycheck is pretty well guaranteed. Wouldn't they also like an arrangement where if they show up to class and make a reasonable effort, their degree is pretty well guaranteed? Online learning tends to be the opposite - it requires self-discipline, it requires deciding for yourself how much you need to study each topic. Much like being an entrepreneur.
Also, the "entrepreneurs and inventors" I know primarily want to learn a skill they need, as opposed to getting a piece of paper. They (I, certainly) prefer to be able to log in, learn what I need to learn, and move on to the next thing. Sitting in class after class can be maddening for an entrepreneur. For those who prefer being employed, the piece of paper, the degree, is the primary goal, so sitting in class to get the degree is fine. They can sit in class now so they can sit in their office later.
* Being employed or being an entrepreneur is personal preference, I don't mean to imply that either is "better" than the other.
If you're young and single, doing your own thing can be fun and exciting. If you have three kids, a steady paycheck and good insurance is the more responsible option.
Sure, many people make the same mistakes. I'd hope that for a BILLION dollars, you could hire a couple of project managers who are actually competent. Plenty of companies have incompetent people, but plenty have lots of competent people who successfully complete projects - Google, eBay, Facebook, and a thousand other companies are competent at large scale IT projects.
If, like most projects, your budget is around $100K, you might end up with some typical incompetents in key positions. For a billion bucks, you should be able to have really, really good people in the key leadership positions making sure the project gets done. Was the person running the healthcare.gov project competent? Nobody was running it! I hope that's not like your typical project, I hope you actually HAVE a project manager at the head of most of your projects.
> Of course governments should be better at spending public money, but how can they be better
#1 Put someone in charge of the project. #2 Choose someone who has successfully led a large project before.
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> From the article:
> "When outside air temperature is too warm for free cooling, the data center’s adiabatic cooling system
Which is funny, because the word adiabatic means something that does not get rid of heat, or draw in heat, from the outside.
An adiabatic system would cool the building by drawing a vacuum, sucking all of the air out of the building. The decreasing air pressure would lower the temperature for a few minutes. Since you can't keep lowering the air pressure below absolute vacuum, the servers would melt after a few minutes.
Perhaps they meant to say "diabatic cooling system". A diabatic system is one that gets rid of heat (or draws in heat). Of course that's also the definition of "cooling", so if that's what they meant, it's a snobbish way of saying "cooling cooling system". With the a prefix, it's "non-cooling cooling system", which is gibberish. Unless of course by "abiatic (non-cooling) cooling system", they mean "cooling system that doesn't col, one that doesn't work". If on 100F days they are relying on a abiatic aka non-cooling aka broken cooling system, I don't think I want my servers there. I had a taste of that when I had servers at Alphared.
In Portland, it's reasonably cool MOST OF THE TIME.
Temperatures reach or exceed 90 F (32 C) on 14 days per year and reach or exceed 100 F (38 C) on 1.4 days per year on average.
I'm thinking this project will last about 350 days.
Lol.
I edited my post from 25 to 30 MPH, but didn't edit the square. 30 would of course be 900 units in that example.
> the minimum output of variable sources like wind. If you have enough turbines the wind is always blowing somewhere, and the overall output of the entire fleet never drops below some predictable level.
Not at all true, but it doesn't need to be.
The energy in a fluid , such as air / wind, is proportional to the velocity SQUARED. In other words, if a 10 MPH wind has 100 units of energy, a 30 MPH wind has 625 units. A light breeze of 5 MPH, just 25 units. 40 MPH, 1600 units.
So suppose you build a turbine with a design speed of 25 MPH (625 units). You don't want it to fall apart in higher winds, so the blades, bearings etc need to be big and heavy enough to handle over 1,000 units. That means you'll have friction and other losses of about 25 units. Notice the loss is the same as 5 MPH of wind - you get zero energy production at 5 MPH. At 10 MPH, energy output is negligible. At much above the design speed, the force on the structure quickly becomes much higher than the 625 it's designed for, so the blades are rotated and such to work AGAINST the wind, to avoid having the turbine tower blown over or spin apart. These facts combine to mean turbines produce a useful amount of power only within a narrow range of wind speeds. Unfortunately, the rule power = velocity squared is a fundamental fact of physics. You can't change that by inventing a new type of battery chemistry or something.
If you look at a radar map of the US, you'll see one or two weather systems covering nearly a million square miles moving across the country. Missouri may be on the north end of a system while the southern wind of the system is in central Texas. That's pretty typical that the radar will show one or two systems for the whole country. So it's simply not true that the country as a whole always has "average" weather, that the wind is always 25 over much of the country. The fact is, a windy system will move across the country one week, then the next week heat wave will tour the country.
If you wanted to use wind as your "stable" primary energy source, you'd need a week of storage.
Fortunately not all energy needs to be a stable primary supply. If wind produces good power 10% of the time, you can reduce the use of natural gas generators 10% of the time. That's a good thing! If solar heating heats just your hot water, just 30% of the time, that's a lot of natural gas that doesn't need to be burned.
Since they are often idealists, it's not surprising that advocates of renewable energy always have their eye on renewables as a complete replacement for primary electrical generation, but it's sad because it means we've almost completely missed some great opportunities to make a big difference. Th syn is REALLY good at heating things up. If you've left water in your garden hose in the summer, you know making an effective solar water heater is dead simple - so simple most of us have done it on accident. Yet, most of us heat our water by burning fossil fuels. Why? Because we've ignored the obvious, simple, effective wins as we focus on the holy grail. We've spent tens of billions of dollars on solar electric and a workable solution is always five years and two billion dollars away. For half that money, we could have converted all homes to solar water heating AND mostly solved world hunger with the billions left over.
The name Firefox was chosen specifically to avoid describing the product, because a descriptive name like Internet Explorer or Office cane be trademarked, thereby meaning anyone can make a browser and call it Internet Explorer, or Browser.
There was another browser before Microsoft's that was called Internet Explorer. When the guy who made the original Internet Explorer sued for copyright infringement, Microsoft pointed out that's just a description, not a protectable name. I don't recall if the judge agreed in that particular case, but certainly we have Star Office, Open Office, etc. - there's nothing preventing other companies from selling office software called Office, so in that regard. Microsoft chose a terrible name - it's a name Apple can use too, selling a competing application suite.
If you've ever wondered why cars have such weird names, mainly being named after animals and other random shit, that's why. Chevrolet can't sell a sports car and call Mustang, because where cars are concerned, Mustang means Ford. Had Ford used the name Power rather than Mustang, every other car company could also call their muscle car a Power.
A new MacBook will certainly get the job done. That is what I use for my school.
There are several ways. Some use the fact that file handles aren't chrooted. You can, for example, call fchdir() with handle inside the chroot, then chdir(..) several times. If the wrapper changed the working directory of the process before chroot, the escape code needs to fchdir to a directory other than the chroot root, so it'll mkdir first.
There IS some level of inconvenience to escaping chroot, so there is a degree of security against an unsophisticated attack. I guess it could be compared to locking a window - that'll make the window less convenient to open, but simply throwing a rock at it will do the trick.
Have you tried that recently? I just did it on my wife's Chromebook two different ways. It's slightly EASIER than with a regular computer. I didn't try a third way that should also work.
The file picker dialog has two main folders, called Drive and Downloads. Google Docs has been merged with Google Drive, so tat icon labeled Drive is her Google Docs. I just tried that and it works. One could also do what you'd do on a regular computer - download from Drive and upload via the browser.
If she had Dropbox installed, that would also appear as a folder I think. But really the extremely easy way is to click "Upload" then choose "Drive".
it's just a large ignorant media conglomerate that cares not for its AUDIENCE
FTFY
It's trivial to step out of chroot. Chroot was not designed for security. It's very similar to cd and getting out basically consists of making a symlink and doing cd. Chroot is for cross-compiling, installing grub, etc. - changing the DEFAULT. value of / that your session uses.
AMD's virtualization is much more appropriate for security, as it's designed to make it such that a guest can't even KNOW whether it's a guest or not, much less escape and access the host system.
For those who didn't read TFS, the project is led by people with a track record of getting things done. One team member helped design, and named, the RISC architecture. Others are leaders of the Raspberry Pi project. That suggests these people know how to do this sort of thing successfully.
I was surprised how useful Chrome OS is. My wife wanted a small laptop that would boot quickly, so I bought a Chromebook and installed Ubuntu. I left Chrome OS as a dual boot option. It's been several months and she hasn't had any reason to boot Linux yet. Chrome OS does everything she wants to do, and the instant boot is extremely convenient. She had Linux on her desktop, so it's not unfamiliar to her, it's just unnecessary.
Lol . That was funny. Even though you just called me a moron, it was still funny.
> I suppose one could set up a set of RAM disks mapped to the appropriate paths if there is enough memory available in the VM, but those would only exist for the current session and would get wiped out each time the VM was shut down.
Yep, that's generally how you do it. As the title of my post suggests, you can also use on-disk snapshots for that, so again any altered files are reset on reboot. Reboot can take only seconds because many of the OS disk blocks are cached in host RAM. Live CDs have those paths all worked out and you can customize from that basis. Even simpler, you CAN just run a live CD directly. CD-R is physically read-only after it has been burned, so you can be certain that no malware or hackers have modified your system.
Are you expecting high performance from Microsoft IE, in their JScript engine?
One of the reasons Chrome EXISTS is to provide a high performance platform for Google Docs, Gmail and similar large JavaScript applications. These are the applications that intend to replace Microsoft' s cash cow, Office. It would be better for MS to stop shipping IE at all than for them to provide an excellent platform in which to run Google Docs.
I learned on Slashdot that Verizon is evil for not investing billions in upgrading their network to fiber. Now you tell me they've already upgraded half of their customers to fiber. Since they ARE upgrading their network to fiber, that's now evil. I'm confused.
I'm sure Verizon is evil of course, but are they evil for upgrading to fiber or for not upgrading to fiber?
You COULD modify the hardware etc., or just fire up Virtualbox, KVM, or qemu full screen for your web browsing and such. Set the virtualized image read-only, except when installing new software on it.
Beneath the virtual machine can either be a dedicated hypervisor or an very small Linux installation which has only a tiny attack surface.
TFS says: ... [Adobe Flash can be exploited by an ISP].
> many otherwise well-informed people think they have to do something wrong, or stupid, or insecure to get hacked—like clicking on the wrong attachments, or browsing malicious websites...many of these commonly held beliefs are not necessarily true.
Hmm, so you don't have to do something stupid or insecure, just run Flash and Java. :)
Flash is mostly used for ads and malware, neither of which I want, so I don't run Flash in my default browsers. For many years, there has been precisely one site for which I ever had any interest in having Flash installed, that was Youtube. Not anymore. Youtube no longer requires Flash. https://www.youtube.com/html5
> legally binding climate policy in the United States, requiring that California's greenhouse gas emissions return to 1990 levels by the year 2020.
The passed a law declaring what the total greenhouse gas emissions will be? Is that like the Indiana bill declaring that pi is 4? If they can just pass a law and that'll make it so, why don't they pass a law that in 2020 California's unemployment rate will be as low as Texas, as opposed to more than 50% higher? Passing a law changes the facts, right?
> The future of mass instruction ... because it's the new high school diploma? Sure.
> The future of tomorrow's entrepreneurs and inventors? Nope.
I'd say the exact opposite. I've started a few businesses, and sold a couple, working for myself full-time for many years, so I suppose I qualify as an entrepreneur. Two of those companies are based on things I "invented", or at least "innovated", so I suppose I qualify as "entrepreneurs and inventors". I'd take online learning over sitting in a class room any day. In fact, I've gone back to school, and my classes are 100% online.
I'd think that people who wish come in, to sit at a desk and have their employer tell them what to do are the same people who want to come in, sit at a desk, and have their instructor tell them what to do. Many people like an arrangement where if they show up 40 hours a week and make a reasonable effort, their paycheck is pretty well guaranteed. Wouldn't they also like an arrangement where if they show up to class and make a reasonable effort, their degree is pretty well guaranteed? Online learning tends to be the opposite - it requires self-discipline, it requires deciding for yourself how much you need to study each topic. Much like being an entrepreneur.
Also, the "entrepreneurs and inventors" I know primarily want to learn a skill they need, as opposed to getting a piece of paper. They (I, certainly) prefer to be able to log in, learn what I need to learn, and move on to the next thing. Sitting in class after class can be maddening for an entrepreneur. For those who prefer being employed, the piece of paper, the degree, is the primary goal, so sitting in class to get the degree is fine. They can sit in class now so they can sit in their office later.
* Being employed or being an entrepreneur is personal preference, I don't mean to imply that either is "better" than the other.
If you're young and single, doing your own thing can be fun and exciting. If you have three kids, a steady paycheck and good insurance is the more responsible option.
Sure, many people make the same mistakes. I'd hope that for a BILLION dollars, you could hire a couple of project managers who are actually competent. Plenty of companies have incompetent people, but plenty have lots of competent people who successfully complete projects - Google, eBay, Facebook, and a thousand other companies are competent at large scale IT projects.
If, like most projects, your budget is around $100K, you might end up with some typical incompetents in key positions. For a billion bucks, you should be able to have really, really good people in the key leadership positions making sure the project gets done. Was the person running the healthcare.gov project competent? Nobody was running it! I hope that's not like your typical project, I hope you actually HAVE a project manager at the head of most of your projects.
> Of course governments should be better at spending public money, but how can they be better
#1 Put someone in charge of the project.
#2 Choose someone who has successfully led a large project before.
You knew that at Slashdot.org, you'd find "news for nerds". You intentionally loaded Slashdot to get what is on Slashdot (news, discussion).
You knew that at Slashdot.org, you'd find ads. You intentionally loaded Slashdot to get what is on Slashdot (ads).
So yes, you did ask for the ads, just as much as you asked for the discussion - you intentionally requested a page that has those things.
If you want a discussion without ads, nntp or IRC is for you. You are welcome to pay Dejanews directly rather than paying Slashdot indirectly.
If you choose to come here, to a site with ads, knowing that the service provided to you is provided by ad revenue, don't bitch about receiving exactly what Slashdot offers - news and discussion financed by ads. If you don't want what Slashdot offers, don't come to Slashdot. Simple.
> almost every large project during my 30 year IT career had the same issues and reasons for failing
They spent a billion dollars to post lorem ipsum https://www.healthcare.gov/med...
If almost every large project you're involved with is similar, we've learned one thing: Don't hire Chadster!
I think you took a wrong turn somewhere and ended up on http. If you want to pay cash to have discussions, you want to be on nntp newsgroups.
Here on the web, ads pay for the sites, such as this one, so you don't have to pay cash.