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Feds: Red Light Camera Firm Paid For Chicago Official's Car, Condo

An anonymous reader writes "The former CEO of Redflex, a major red light camera vendor, and John Bills, former Managing Deputy Commissioner at the Department of Transportation, have been indicted on federal corruption charges stemming from a contract with the City of Chicago. According to the indictment, a friend of Bills was hired as a contractor and paid $2 million. Much of that money was then kicked back to Bills, who also got a Mercedes and a condominium via Redflex employees. The defendants are facing 23 counts including: mail fraud, wire fraud, and bribery. Each fraud count carries a maximum sentence of 20 years."

115 comments

  1. What an odd name... by Captain_Chaos · · Score: 4, Funny

    What an odd name for a car.

    1. Re:What an odd name... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe he was living in his car.

    2. Re:What an odd name... by Thanshin · · Score: 1

      It's not a car name.

      It's the brand. The car was a "Condominium GT 350 Pipistrello".

    3. Re:What an odd name... by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      You know, if it were a house boat that might make more sense, a friend of mine bought one we liked to refer to as "A one bedroom apartment with a top speed of 20 MPH"

      Though, would need to be at least 2 apartments to condo it out.

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    4. Re:What an odd name... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was a movie back in the 80's called Condoman and he had a transforming variable rate lease, a giant winged swim suit for the pool, and a microwave. Plus the lovely Natalia, his 80-year-old neighbor.

  2. our presidents origin story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Anything from Chicago. ......

    1. Re:our presidents origin story by NotDrWho · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You think corruption is bad in Chicago, come to Atlanta or New Orleans sometime. Local officials there all but solicit bribes with TV ads. Good luck finding a public official who ISN'T running at least two side hustles, sending city contracts to their brother-in-law, and fucking three mistresses.

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    2. Re:our presidents origin story by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is the norm everywhere. If a person WANTS to be in public office, chances are good that they are a scumbag looking for bribes. It has always been this way that the scum of the earth always want to be in politics.

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    3. Re:our presidents origin story by NotDrWho · · Score: 2

      True, but some cities are definitely worse than others. In most decent cities, the public officials at least have the decency to try to temper their corruption to a certain limit and at least keep it quiet.

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      SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
    4. Re:our presidents origin story by Charliemopps · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Trust me, Chicago is worse. The thing is, Chicago corruption is efficient. You pay this person X and you get Y. Very simple and strait forward. Things get done. It's an infection but it's not killing the host. What I've seen of New Orleans is corruption that doesn't work. Things don't get done.

    5. Re:our presidents origin story by TheCarp · · Score: 2

      This. I live in MA, and its no different here. Hell, they caught one of our state reps on camera actually stuffing an envelope of cash in her bra. A business my wife used to work at owned the building they were in, right in south boston. They applied for a permit to get a roof deck; and were asked straight out for a bribe to make it happen, when they refused.... so was their permit. This shit goes on everywhere.

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    6. Re:our presidents origin story by BringsApples · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If it weren't for bribes, and all the other luxuries that come with being 'in office', I don't think anyone would apply (run for) for those positions. Anyone that works for the general public knows that it's not as nice as working for a private company. Working in the government is 'working for the general public' - on crack (no pun Canada).

      It's quite common for those that work in the government to see the public as a bunch of losers that aren't willing to do anything, but want you to give them stuff, mostly money. They see how broken the system is, and are satisfied with taking what they can and getting out as soon as they can. Also, it's not that this happens more or less in any part of the country, but that in the south, it appears that they're more divided and against each other, resulting in more tattling.

      Until lobbying is put to rest, how does anyone expect that this won't be a constant issue?

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    7. Re:our presidents origin story by LordLimecat · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Cincinnatus wants a word with you.

      I dont think its nearly as simple as you make it. If all you want is money (which is what bribes are), public office is probably the wrong place to look. I think many people entering public office geniunely want to change things for the better, and to do it their way. That doesnt mean their methods will be kosher, but I dont think you would deal with the hassles of public office just for some money gained far more easily in the private sector.

    8. Re:our presidents origin story by Cabriel · · Score: 1

      In non-altruistic practice, Public Office is a method for improving one's image and reputation while also making connections to important people in the business world so one can get a great position in an industry after their term is finished. If they're being bribed/illegally rewarded while in office and it amounts to more than they think they'd make for the same effort in an industry, then there's a strong reason to become a career politician--a very different kind from the presumably-good people who actually want to change the world.

    9. Re:our presidents origin story by bondsbw · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's also about fame and power. Being noticed, having people rely on you, and being able to directly affect the lives of so many... these are like a drug.

      And even if it starts out unselfishly, I've seen a few politicians get a taste of the drug and change ways. It sucks when I voted for them and feel the need to apologize for my support.

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    10. Re:our presidents origin story by tompaulco · · Score: 1

      I think there is a line drawing game going on and at some point people step over the line. For instance, if you go in to city council with a rezoning request, they are not going to just say "Yes, that makes sense for it to be rezoned to X" and grant it. No, they are going to say at the very least "What improvements will you be making to this property to entice us to make this change?" and right on up to "Give me some money".

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    11. Re:our presidents origin story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed ... when the mob was taking care of snow removal it actually got done and got done quickly. Now, it's when they feel like it.

    12. Re:our presidents origin story by Jawnn · · Score: 1

      They applied for a permit to get a roof deck; and were asked straight out for a bribe to make it happen, when they refused.... so was their permit. This shit goes on everywhere.

      Because it goes on where you are? Provincialism fallacy much?

    13. Re:our presidents origin story by TheCarp · · Score: 1

      No the fallacy is yours in assume I made a claim I didn't. Yes it would be fallacy to claim that because it happens here it must happen everywhere but, there is ample evidence this sort of corruption has happened everywhere humans have had the chance to be corrupt. My own evidence of it going on is only one small confirmation in a several thousand year long history of people using whatever power they are given to their own advantage.

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    14. Re:our presidents origin story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Then why do you Slashdotters like to bash India as a third world corrupted shithole? You always use H1B discussions to bash India as corrupt. Seems like the US may be much more corrupt and fraudulent than India in terms of the amount of dollar money involved.

    15. Re:our presidents origin story by xevioso · · Score: 1

      Chicago is not the US.

    16. Re:our presidents origin story by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 1

      It all depends on how bad and how accepted corruption is in any given society. In many, a public office is basically accepted as a seat in which to take bribes - it's the major perk of the job.

    17. Re:our presidents origin story by k6mfw · · Score: 1

      You think corruption is bad in Chicago, come to Atlanta or New Orleans sometime.

      I wonder how such cities keep running i.e. water, power, sewage, traffic (though slow), electricity, food, etc. etc. and not collapse into some kind of Somalia environment with corruption gone rampant?

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    18. Re: our presidents origin story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The difference is that Chicago corruption is baked in. Politicos don't need to ask for the bribe outright because they all get a piece of the pie already without having to say a word.

    19. Re:our presidents origin story by strikethree · · Score: 1

      ...and fucking three mistresses.

      Erm... What exactly is wrong with that and how does it relate to corruption? Since when is a healthy libido a crime?

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    20. Re:our presidents origin story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mistress implies that they're sleeping with someone outside the parameters of some other relationship. Nothing wrong at all with screwing three people. Just that it's not nice to screw someone over to screw three other people.

    21. Re:our presidents origin story by righteousness · · Score: 1

      Fornication is a sin.

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    22. Re:our presidents origin story by righteousness · · Score: 1

      Nothing wrong at all with screwing three people.

      What do you mean "Nothing wrong"? Fornication is a sin and people should stop doing it.

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      Don't fornicate. Seriously, just don't do it.
    23. Re:our presidents origin story by mrex · · Score: 1

      If a person WANTS to be in public office, chances are good that they are a scumbag looking for bribes. It has always been this way that the scum of the earth always want to be in politics.

      90% of the time, that is true. The other 10% of the time is when you get your George Washingtons, your Theodore Roosevelts, and your Pope Francises. The trick is weeding out the 90% of chaff and promoting the 10% of wheat, while fighting off the attempts of the chaff that slipped through and got power to invert the system's filters so that they exclude wheat and only allow through their chaff fellows.

      This involves a few steps, but first and foremost is retaining the belief that non-corrupt leadership is possible.

    24. Re:our presidents origin story by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't call them Scamera's for nothing.

    25. Re:our presidents origin story by beastofburdon · · Score: 1

      I am certain that you are correct on this matter.

  3. Pretty obvious by mbone · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What, you think that these cameras were set up after a careful consideration of how to balance the needs and rights of the citizenry against the desire to improve traffic conditions? No, it's based on lobbying by the camera sales staff, promising easy money in return for a right to prey on the citizenry. This being Chicago, some of the easy money was kicked-back to the local politicians, but the process isn't really that much different in regions where there is enough moral fiber for the state to keep all of the proceeds.

    1. Re:Pretty obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      What, you think that these cameras were set up after a careful consideration of how to balance the needs and rights of the citizenry against the desire to improve traffic conditions? No, it's based on lobbying by the camera sales staff, promising easy money in return for a right to prey on the citizenry. This being Chicago, some of the easy money was kicked-back to the local politicians, but the process isn't really that much different in regions where there is enough moral fiber for the state to keep all of the proceeds.

      Oh Chicago never tried to hide that fact: right before they were installed the previous mayor flat out said that boosting revenue was the main motivation for it.

    2. Re:Pretty obvious by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 5, Funny

      Is it ironic that moral fiber has become irregular?

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    3. Re:Pretty obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope, since that has always been the case. Politicians have always been corrupt scumbags. And the one 's preaching morality and family values are usually amongst the scummiest.

    4. Re:Pretty obvious by Lunix+Nutcase · · Score: 1

      Since when did being a politician or running a corporation ever have a prerequisite of having a moral fiber? Political corruption goes as far back as the first governments. Same with corrupt corporations.

      Even the "classical" Western democracies and republics had rampant corruption. It's more "ironic" that you think having a moral fiber was ever regular.

    5. Re:Pretty obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I somehow doubt however that he came clean with the fact that a significant portion of that revenue was going to bribes & kickback. Though as this is Chicago it may have been implied.

    6. Re:Pretty obvious by FatAlb3rt · · Score: 2

      I'm not surprised. A local municipality pushed these through (which I'm not staunchly for nor against the cameras), and there was a bit of public outcry. To be fair, intersections were not configured consistently, and stops often could have been handled as yields, but anyway.

      The council proposed putting the item up for vote, Redflex thought it would appropriate to sue the city.

    7. Re:Pretty obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      *whoosh*

    8. Re:Pretty obvious by Karl+Cocknozzle · · Score: 2

      the process isn't really that much different in regions where there is enough moral fiber for the state to keep all of the proceeds.

      The state never gets "all of the proceeds"--the entire thing is a graft to slurp money out of taxpayers pockets (while causing more accidents at the same time) and into the pockets of private industry. The money paid to the government is considered a "cost of doing business" for the people operating the graft. It's one of the most corrupt things in our modern society--automated law enforcement.

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    9. Re:Pretty obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hint: people eat more fiber in an effort to become regular.

    10. Re:Pretty obvious by plover · · Score: 2

      No, but the point is that it was viewed as a revenue generator, instead of a public safety tool. It wasn't because "this will reduce accidents by X%" or "this will save X lives annually", he said out loud "this will make us $(money)." And that is the true corruption here, not simply that some scamologists benefited from it.

      Really, public safety issues should always be revenue neutral so they avoid the conflict with revenue generation, and instead focus on delivering the purported benefit. But how do you take money out of the equation? Make everyone who runs a red light sit in jail for a day?

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      John
    11. Re:Pretty obvious by Nexus7 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thing is, red light cameras catch people who are entering an intersection on red, which is illegal, dangerous, and inconsiderate (me-first-fuck-you'ers). You can argue about whether the amber/yellow should be 3 seconds or 4, and whether it was reduced in order to increase the revenue; but the minimum (federally mandated, I believe) is 3 s, and 3 s is plenty of time to stop or to go through based on conditions. RLC tickets in Chicago have a human review them, so they're not sent if conditions make it impossible to not go through (again you can argue over this).

      But in the majority of situations (I'd guesstimate 99%), and RLC catches a person doing something illegal. There is no question of balancing rights and improvement in traffic conditions.

    12. Re:Pretty obvious by cyberchondriac · · Score: 1

      Justice is constipated.

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    13. Re:Pretty obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nah, just have them sit on the curb and watch a child or close family member do two back and forths using the pedestrian signal.
      Meanwhile you tell them not to worry, after all, doesn't everyone stop at reds?

    14. Re:Pretty obvious by un1nsp1red · · Score: 1

      Though everyone in Chicago is used to the endless taxation (of which the red light cameras are just one example), the more recent speed cameras they installed (and continue to install) felt more like a revenue generator than the former. People could see the potential harm-reduction of red light cameras, but not so much with the speed-trap cameras. We all knew both were just new means of taxation, but the speed cameras felt more brazen. Of course, after Daley sold the city's parking to a private company, I think everyone just became even more calloused and defeated with the endless cash-grabbing by the city.

    15. Re:Pretty obvious by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      I learned an important lesson from Charles Winchester III on MASH. Hawkeye and BJ were feasting on some goods sent from home and keeping it from Charles. HE smiles and says ~ 'Not to worry, your middle class morals will force you to share it with me'. It seemed to me that a ton of 'moral fiber' idealism is handed down from the elites to keep the proles in line.

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    16. Re:Pretty obvious by dbitter1 · · Score: 1

      LOL. You must not live here, or be really obtuse.

      First... the three seconds thing... nope, they aren't actually 3s. "somehow" they are slightly shorter:

      http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago...

      Next... the "majority" of situations are, technically, illegal... but I'd take a lot more reservation than you do about "dangerous and inconsiderate". Nearly all the violations are right-hand-turn-on-red. It is .... uh... coincidental how many of the RLC-protected intersections have NTOR signs... and very seldom ever do they not. I suppose you could argue this is for "safety", but it is still very coincidental. Most of them are VERY easy intersections, where you can clearly see traffic coming with no complications whatsoever.

      The whole RLC deal stinks. The speed cameras are worse. Yes, they may improve safety in some situations. But in the majority, it is a revenue grab.

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    17. Re:Pretty obvious by Nexus7 · · Score: 1

      You talking 2.9-3 s, most probably just a calibration error. And it's no coincidence that RLC intersections have NTOR signs, if they were the most dangerous ones to begin with.

    18. Re:Pretty obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You talking 2.9-3 s, most probably just a calibration error.

      If the law says 3s, and they can't calibrate to less than +/-0.1, then the company should be setting them for 3.1 at the lowest.

      There's no excuse for RLC yellows to be shorter than the legal minimum

    19. Re:Pretty obvious by Uberbah · · Score: 1

      Thing is, red light cameras catch people who are entering an intersection on red, which is illegal, dangerous, and inconsiderate

      Unless the yellow light times were deliberately shorted in order to write more tickets while making the roads LESS safe by increasing rear-end collisions. This is not news.

      There is no question of balancing rights and improvement in traffic conditions.

      But of course there is, and that's even allowing the conflation of going through an intersection that's just turned red with going through an intersection where the cross-traffic has already started.

    20. Re:Pretty obvious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really, public safety issues should always be revenue neutral so they avoid the conflict with revenue generation, and instead focus on delivering the purported benefit. But how do you take money out of the equation? Make everyone who runs a red light sit in jail for a day?

      The right to expect the funds from public safety tickets to NOT go into the budget of the government follows from several rights arising under the 9th Amendment, such as the right to ethical government, and the right to ethical practice of law. Even the appearance of conflict of interest must be avoided if there is any reasonable alternative.

      The role of the first right is pretty obvious here. We've all seen the increasing number of budgetary problems in government at all levels, causing public "servants" to not get paid. The role of the second may take a bit more thought to see: if we allow legal professionals to enforce laws that violate fundamental rights, that creates all kinds of problems for society, but can often work to the interests of the legal profession as a class within society. Thus, the profession has an incentive to do this (and has done so, over and over again in the history of US law).

      As with any rights arising under the 9th, these rights apply to state and local government as well as to federal government (a point that is consistent both with James Madison's original text of the Bill of Rights, showing his intentions, and with the final version).

      Nothing here says the government can not fine people, but the money from those fines can not go into the operating budget in any way, shape, or form without creating ethics problems. It has to be tracked entirely separately, and spent in a way that does not create ethical conflict of interest (including any conflicts of interest associated with actions that help get incumbent politicians re-elected, or get votes for a dominant political party). A number of proposals for doing this have been made on the prior occasions when this discussion has come up on Slashdot, and I won't repeat them here. There are lots of worthy causes around the world that could benefit from financial support without that support involving ethics problems.

      Thus, in reality, if any city or state is looking to use tickets as a source of revenue, they are engaging in illegal conduct. It's no different from private citizens robbing somebody at gunpoint.

      Unfortunately, if the history of US law demonstrates anything, it demonstrates that a lot of illegal laws will get passed, and the legal profession will choose to enforce those laws when it is in their interests to do so (which is often). It is almost as if a contempt for ethics is an entry requirement for the profession of law. Go read up on the Jim Crow laws sometime, or (worse yet) some of the things allowed in the name of slavery. For that matter, it's not an accident that the US is known as the Land of the Lawsuit.

    21. Re:Pretty obvious by plover · · Score: 1

      There are the ethics of the money collected, but that can be fixed. I'm more concerned about the inequity of the penalty. If I had to pay a $300.00 fine for a red light violation, it would be slightly annoying. If my unemployed neighbor had to pay $300.00, he'd fall further behind on his rent, or possibly go hungry. Conversely, if I had to unexpectedly sit in jail for a day, my projects would suffer, my employer would have no sympathy, and my job might be at stake; while my neighbor would simply wait out his days with little else of consequence. So if I know the penalty is monetary, I can afford to run the occasional red light. If we know the penalty is to serve time, my neighbor might run a red light just to get three squares.

      How to best create a fair penalty is a difficult proposition.

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      John
  4. A slapped wrist at best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is how the whole country operates. Kickbacks, donations, non-executive but highly paid positions on boards. If you're in a position of power to aid a company, you will be bribed one way or another.

  5. Chicago and corruption. They just go together. by AndyKron · · Score: 0

    Chicago and corruption. They just go together.

    1. Re:Chicago and corruption. They just go together. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As a resident of Arizona, I'd have to say: "Redflex and Corruption. They just go together."

  6. Apologies from Australia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As an Australian I sincerely apologise for Redflex, possibly the most embarrassing export from this country.

    1. Re:Apologies from Australia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As an Australian I sincerely apologise for Redflex, possibly the most embarrassing export from this country.

      Really?! I would think that award would go to Mel Gibson.

    2. Re:Apologies from Australia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Especially when he tried to use a Scottish Accent. (Braveheart)

    3. Re:Apologies from Australia by Amtrak · · Score: 2

      Actually Mel Gibson was born in Peekskill, New York, U.S. according to wikipedia.

      He did attend acting school in Australia though so you can blame them for his acting skill.

    4. Re:Apologies from Australia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, Mel moved to Australia when he was twelve. Born in New York. He's one of yours.

      And don't mention Russell - he's from New Zealand.

    5. Re:Apologies from Australia by OneSmartFellow · · Score: 1

      Maybe since Mel Gibson was born in America, of an American father, and lived there until he was 10, he shouldn't really be counted as Australian. On second thought, he's Australian.

    6. Re:Apologies from Australia by hawkinspeter · · Score: 1

      Don't forget about Rolf Harris and his wandering hands.

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    7. Re:Apologies from Australia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. Fosters. It's Australian for Budweiser.

    8. Re:Apologies from Australia by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      Pump your brakes kid, that man is a national treasure.

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  7. And all fines were refunded on the company's dime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Right? Right?

  8. Why is this modded as off-topic? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It certainly applies to the title of the story.

    I commend you, Catpain Chaos, for your sense of humor

  9. someone doesn't understand the game by Nyder · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When you do this for a member of congress, it's called Lobbying, when it do it for lesser politicians, they call it a bribe. Guess these peeps are finding out the hard way.

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  10. Chicago's finest by PPalmgren · · Score: 2

    The city has an endemic culture of corruption, officials should be treated with skepticism in all affairs.

  11. Re:Offtopic: Messages and Karma Lost by tbuddy · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm sure we can rule out posting offtopic as a possibility.

  12. Re:Offtopic: Messages and Karma Lost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who cares - go away clown

  13. Used to be Chicago was known as the Windy City by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But now. Just like any other city. Run by corrupt people.

  14. Corruption in Chicago? What a surprise... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And this is where America got her President.

    Good going, you idiotic dingbats. I hope you're happy that your 2008 populist emotional outburst is wrecking the entire world.

    1. Re:Corruption in Chicago? What a surprise... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Go back to Yahoo News Comments where you belong.

    2. Re:Corruption in Chicago? What a surprise... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Half the Yahoo News stories are straight from the HuffPo page.

  15. Well duh by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 5, Interesting
    Red light cameras have been known to be a cash cow for cities, a way to generate revenue.

    And just like for for profit prisons, they have to generate more money each quarter. It's the way of business. Which is why neither should be done on a for profit mode

    We've already had examples of shortening yellow light duration to make certain that more people are fined, more profits. This has already caused rear ending crashes to increase as people bitten once jam on the sprags once they see the yellow light. (not to excuse tailgating - it shouldn't be done.

    And the amount of revenue generated has to be significant if they consider expensive cars and condos as a cost of doing business.

    But after doing things like shortening yellow lights to increase profit, what's next? Hey who knows? Maybe hire a few graphic artists and do matching of redlight cam photos and photoshop license plates on 'em of owners of similar cars.

    Technology is awesome! But the shareholders must be served.

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    1. Re:Well duh by Amtrak · · Score: 3, Informative

      Oh it's worse than you think. The Chicago Tribune has already caught the city randomly changing the rules of the cameras so that there are occasonal large spikes of tickets generated. The rule changes are things like removing turn on red or changing the speed approached to the light for ticket triggering. The Chicago Tribune's website has a whole section on the ongoing red light issues. Sorry some of it is pay walled but not all of it.

    2. Re:Well duh by Mr+D+from+63 · · Score: 2

      If they really wanted to help traffic, they would install green light cameras that took pictures of people who sit still well after the light turns green, then post them to a public shame wall.

    3. Re:Well duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Red light cameras are easily defeated: don't drive over the posted limit.

    4. Re:Well duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What the hell does the speed limit have to do with red light cameras?

    5. Re:Well duh by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      You are going to pay my fines, right?

      I took you advice and drove a little below the posted limit, while driving straight through all the red lights. I now have a dozen tickets for going through those red lights!

    6. Re:Well duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you're not speeding you'll have plenty of time to stop.

    7. Re: Well duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not if they shorten the light cycle to catch more dollars.

  16. Settle for 1M. No harm done by Maxwell · · Score: 1

    They settle out of court for 1M, he'll get to keep the car named condo and nothing will come of it. The city needs the revenue too badly to take the cameras down. Remember kids, white collar crime *does* pay!

    1. Re:Settle for 1M. No harm done by KamikazeSquid · · Score: 1

      This is a federal indictment of criminal charges, not a civil case that can be settled out of court for a cash payment. Everyone involved could get up to 20 years in a federal prison, if convicted.

  17. Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    a friend of Bills was hired as a contractor

    That's what they get for hiring an alcoholic.

  18. Re:Offtopic: Messages and Karma Lost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This brings up an interesting metaphysical point: can one post off-topic if one hasn't posted "for months"? If so, the system here truly is broken.

  19. Shocked I tell you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A red light camera company employee accused of fraud?

    I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.

  20. The US of A by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One of the best pieces of satire I have ever seen.

    I really think we in the US are heads to Third World status. We have the political and economic base for it and it is increasingly going that way.

  21. Re:Offtopic: Messages and Karma Lost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good advice - thanks for reminding me why I haven't posted here for months.

  22. No congress is usually more clever by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 2

    What usually happens there is that you get a job with a lobbying firm or their clients when you leave. There is no direct tit for tat, it is just a generally understood thing. They lobby you, you do what they want. When you leave, they'll pay you very well to then go and continue lobbying the next guy. Extremely shady, but not outright illegal.

    This sounds like a straight up bribe, which is illegal, money in exchange for a contract.

  23. Re:Offtopic: Messages and Karma Lost by hawkinspeter · · Score: 1

    Well, we really missed all your insightful, on-topic posts in the months you were gone. Thank the lord that you're back here with some more of your erudite posts.

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  24. corruption in Chicago: film at 11 (every night) by mr_mischief · · Score: 1

    What's really news is that corruption in Chicago makes the news.

    1. Re:corruption in Chicago: film at 11 (every night) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While I generally agree with your statement; you are an outsider.

      CBS, NBC & ABC have local news at 10PM, FOX & WGN are at 9PM CST.

  25. Re:Offtopic: Messages and Karma Lost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Just think of all the fun you'll be missing - you won't have Nixon to kick around anymore."

    -- Richard Nixon (paraphrased)

  26. Sigh by maliqua · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Each fraud count carries a maximum sentence of 20 years."

    I wish that you saw more minimum sentences, the maximum sentence seems like something created for sensationalism media because saying "roughly 3 months of actual jail, 9 of house arrest and 2 years of probation" sounds too soft for most crimes, but more accurate than what is implied by the "20 year MAXIMUM!" which sounds appropriately punitive

    1. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Particularly when its politicians or police being sentenced, they should always receive maximum penalties for abusing the power they're given. perhaps it will help to reduce corruption if they know they will always get the worst available

    2. Re:Sigh by mythosaz · · Score: 1

      Presumptive sentencing.

      Here's Arizona's example chart - other states are similar.

      http://www.azleg.state.az.us/a...

      A class 2 felony (rape, arson, and other terrible non-murder activities) has a scary "Maximum Sentence" of 10 years, and an aggravated sentence of 12.5 years. The presumptive sentence is half that. Fraud here is a Class-3 felony, so it has a presumptive sentence of 3.5 years.

      I believe the argument that says being a public official (legislature, law enforcement, etc.) should count as an aggravating factor (not a mitigating one!), but you're right, the news never comes on and says:

      Important person was arrested for drunk driving today, they could face up to 8 hours in a holding cell and a trip to a private rehab facility where they will receive daily spa treatments, but will be denied bloody marys at breakfast.

      In Chicago, they'll drag it out forever, and someone else that they hold leverage over will accept a plea to a much, much lower crime, which will result in, at best, probation and public (and pointless) firing. Redflex will then keep them employed as a "consultant."

      Cocks.

  27. This is nothing new in the way of problems. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You want to look at a police force? Look who gets promotions. It's not those who don't have crime to deal with. It's those who do deal with crime, who make big arrests and get the headlines.

    The police officers who have quiet communities, who don't have incidents that draw attention? Nothing.

    Nobody appreciates the people who make sure there aren't bumpy roads or squeaky wheels.

    Heck, when was the last time Linus Torvalds got attention on Slashdot? Was it thanking somebody for their contribution, or was it yelling at some damnfool?

  28. Pics of hookers with Chicago politicians? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Come on now, that was a reasonable expectation from TFH.

    Roooox---annnne

  29. Avoid red light camera intersections. Dangerous. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I avoid all red light camera intersections because it's a dead giveaway that it's a dangerous intersection and they didn't bother to fix it.

    Q: "Hey, this intersection is dangerous. What can we do about it?"

    A: Engineer it so it's safer.
    B: Let's take pictures!
    C: Profit!
    D: B! & C!

  30. lol by raymorris · · Score: 1

    Lol.

  31. Thank god by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I knew it was bullshit from the start. It's just a racket to make money for the company and the city, with innocent motorists getting fucked.

    1. Re:Thank god by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And a bunch of uppity-christian-like folks all thought you were just negative and childish.

      Then the truth comes out and you were right.

      Now those same people act like it was obvious all along and roll with it. (Weren't you telling us to be more positive like we were wrong?)

  32. Wait, you're surprised? by TheEmpyrean · · Score: 1

    Well duh, this is Chicago. Did you expect different?

    The only honest politicians we have here are the ones who at least have the decency to stay bought.

    1. Re:Wait, you're surprised? by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      The only honest politicians we have here are the ones who at least have the decency to stay bought.

      Yes, and as long as that's your attitude, nothing is ever going to change. Start enforcing the laws that are supposed to prevent this type of thing and stop voting for corrupt, machine politicians because right now, you're getting exactly the kind of government you're voting for.

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    2. Re:Wait, you're surprised? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We try. Good gods we try. But our cries fall on willfully deaf ears, and any LEGAL recourse we have is manned by those same corrupt people.

      But this is the first (and one of rare times) where someone not only gets caught but might actually go to jail for it, as opposed to "an investigation" or "a committee" where everything gets swept under the rug.

      Until heads roll a bit more literally, this is as good as we can get.

    3. Re:Wait, you're surprised? by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      We try. Good gods we try.

      Yes, I'm sure that some of you do. Alas, not enough.

      I live in LA, where there are lots and lots of police scandals. Why? Not because our police are so bad, but because we don't put up with police misconduct or sweep it under the rug. Almost all of the scandals out here would be ignored in New York or regarded as "business as usual." Stop putting up with the corruption, get the voters to care enough to vote the crooks out of office and keep them out, and Chicago will clean itself up because it won't happen on its own.

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    4. Re:Wait, you're surprised? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean to say no Chicago politicians ever die?

  33. Corruption in Chicago? What a surprise... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And this is where America got her President.

    Good going, you idiotic dingbats. I hope you're happy that your 2008 populist emotional outburst is wrecking the entire world.

    Yep. Well, not exactly happy. But happier than I would have been with McCain/Palin or Romney.

  34. It's not about the money! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's about public safety! If you don't run red lights, you have nothing to worry about!

     

    ...Just keep telling yourself that.

  35. Re:Avoid red light camera intersections. Dangerous by k6mfw · · Score: 1

    I did a right turn at a major intersection but stopped before I turned. When I proceeded, there was several strobe flashes. Scared the crap out of me, muzzle flashes? Heard no gun shots. Lightning? uh clear skies. Am I gonna get socked with a big fine and huge increase of insurance because camera made a mistake? So far it's been months and nothing in the mail (unless there is an outstanding FTA waiting for 10-29), but I don't have that car anymore (bought another recently). Will such strobe lights freak someone out and cause them to t-bone me? I don't travel though that intersection much but when I do there is not much of a choice.

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  36. Ahh, Chicago by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not mentioned was how much $$ flowed to Obama campaign or the mayors war chest.

    You can bet it this were a GOP city, the NYT would be all over this story for a year.