Ok, so you don't care if you deprive the gays the tax benefits of marriage as long as you can have your 2^24oz soda and become a fat fuck that the rest of the US has to pay for. That's really cool of you. The underlying homophobia in your post really took the cake too.
You came out with the bold statement about conservatives protecting personal freedoms more than liberals. I've sufficiently provided numerous examples on the contrary, and all you could muster up was a single example of large soda bans along with lots of misinformation and name-calling. Good for you.
Go back to your brainwashing cable news telling you how left-wing everyone is so they can push for a religious dictatorship.... Better yet, move to a more conservative country. I hear Iran is nice this time of year.
Banning gay marriage outright is pretty high up on the right-wing bucket list, so no, they do not have all the rights you have. Most people shouldn't care, but they do and you get shit like CA prop 8, and no equal rights at the federal level.
The church on the block was referring to the attempt to build a Mosque a few blocks away from the 9/11 site.
As for crime, the conservative stance is always "tough on crime" which ends up being jack-booted thugs and crazy prison sentences for minor offenses. Unfortunately, anyone who tries to change that, whether it be a more moderate conservative or a liberal, gets labeled as being on the side of the criminals. The ultra-conservatives keep pushing a line that line farther, and any attempt to pull it back is political suicide.
As for drug use, helping addicts instead of putting them in jail is far cheaper and less of a burden on society. I don't understand why conservatives are more than happy to blow 2-3x the tax dollars on a jail cell rather than give some one a "hand out" of social support and let them continue to contribute to the economy.
Reasonable sentences for minor stuff. Of course reasonable is relative but I think sending people off to jail for stupid crap like drug possession is good for no one.
That's a very liberal stance you have there.
See, we can agree on a lot. Not everything of course but I bet if we sat down and rapped about it awhile we could agree on a middle ground somewhere.
Sure we can, but I think you've picked the wrong team based on your ideals, which was my original point. Liberals, in general, stand up for personal freedoms far more than conservatives.
"IANAL, but is there any reason the officer cannot decide to turn it into a full-blown arrest? After all, you are being charged with having committed a crime, right?"
Maybe being detained and then arrested is what Golddess meant, but that's not what she said. So I could have misunderstood.
You did.
The question was in the context of being pulled over for violating a traffic law, which is normally a brief detainment and a ticket, and having the officer subsequently (turn it into an) arrest and take you to jail. The fact is, if you are charged with not wearing a seat belt, the officer can arrest you, take you to jail and collect your DNA.
In the example you gave, the woman was likely just "detained", from a legal standpoint.
If you would have read the first sentence of my link, you would know that the lady was arrested and that SCOTUS case specifically revolved around arresting and jailing someone for a minor offense. Here's some more detail.
Actually Liberals support personal freedom for people they agree with.
I'd like to hear how you back that statement up, because it is patently false. Left-wing = personal freedom, right-wing = corporate freedom. I can't make it any simpler than that.
Here's a list of some personal freedoms that are constantly attacked by the right-wing:
Gay rights Abortion Non-preferential tax treatment for all religions The ability to build a church on a certain block The ability to walk down the street without having to worry about a jack-booted thug removing ALL of you personal freedoms on a whim Personal drug use Reasonable sentences for small crimes
The only freedom I can think of that Liberals attack is the ability for/everyone/ to own military weapons.
Why is it that just because the USA isn't #1 on some arbitrary list it's "hate on the US"?
The article doesn't even mention the USA and the summary only mentioned it at the end as a contrast because/. is a US-centric site and readers here probably wanted to know where we stood.
The amount of people on here that immediately went on the defensive shows a scary amount of nationalism in the US. Get over it people, we aren't #1 in everything.... Accept it.
The book Database Nation, published in 2000, shows a shocking set of pictures where a pole-mounted camera was able to perform iris recognition on a person driving 60 MPH down the freeway. That's at least 13 year old technology.
So yes, iris recognition can be used to track people in public areas, without their knowledge.
Your logic is absolutely insane. No one in Anonymous murdered anyone, but the EDL is a violent, bigoted, hate-filled group that apparently you sympathize with. Why? Because you share their hatred of religions different than your own?
If the EDL was a decent organization, why would they care if their membership list were leaked?
Pot, meet kettle. There is no difference between Christian extremists like the EDL (and you apparently) and Muslim extremists.
If people would stop believing in fairy tales, all of this hatred would end.
If the suspect is truly guilty of the charges then they should serve their time. Why are we letting criminals get away with serving so much less than they should simply because they plead guilty?
Now define the duration of "their time".
Hammond has spent 15 months in jail already, and will probably get a "time served" sentence, or maybe a little more. If the judge is feeling like being a real dick, he might give him 5-8 years.
So, if the "time" is 10 years for a crime, why on earth should a prosecutor have the ability to stack up charges such that he might spend the rest of his life in jail? Is wasting a week of the court's time worth the rest of someone's life? This is plain and simply abuse of the system by prosecutors.
My semi-related opinion: Prison is a terrible waste of taxpayer money and should only be used to keep dangerous people off the street. There plenty of ways to punish people without locking them up.
Just a big waste of taxpayer money for something purely cosmetic. It would a frivolous waste of money we dont have to fix something thats not broken. I already pay too many taxes as it is. We need to stop spending on frivolous crap like this. It would confuse the hell out of everyone and there are no real reasons or benefits, just nonsense excuses. I actually find the english system to be perfectly fine and useable on road signs. No need to fix something thats not broken. Take your awkward, unnatural metric system back to europe where it belongs. i like the mile and foot just fine and I actually prefer this on our signs.
Now who can argue with that? I think we're all indebted to Eravnrekaree for clearly stating what needed to be said.
MS has used nearly identical tactics, but for copyright enforcement rather than patent enforcement.
My mom used to co-own a small, 3 person artists studio/gallery and received a very threatening letter from MS, saying that they were going to come into her studio and audit all of her computers for unlicensed software. If any was found they'd receive stiff penalties or potentially a lawsuit. The letter asked her to provide receipts and serial numbers for all of the software on her computers, and if she couldn't provide them, re-purchase them before the audit occurred.
She was really freaked out about this, thinking that they actually had the right to come into her studio and look around! Obviously, I explained to her that she could just ignore the letter, but I imagine/many/ people simply paid up due to the threat.
+1 if i had mod points today... Unfortunately the right-wing, pro-police-state idiots have already modded you down.
I think that the fire department is a great public service, and I don't condemn their service, but show me ONE that has ever in their lives stood up for what is right and testified against ANYONE with a badge who has abused their power.
Every fireman I have ever met has been a self-absorbed prick who thinks he's a at the same level as a cop and therefore above the law, and better than everyone else on the planet.
Normal people don't stare at Fox News all day and think that everyone outside of the status quo is a raving lunatic either. A very large portion of "normal" people smoke pot in America, as do people who enjoy "deviant" sex. (Not defending child molesters here, but "sexual deviant" is a grossly misused term whose definition only exists inside the speakers mind. To some, anything outside of missionary sex through a hole in a sheet is deviant.)
Some people just like the security and privacy of exchanging money without government monitoring. There is nothing illegal or immoral about that.
There still is no need for an internet connection. Save games take up very little space on the HD and can be synchronized up the cloud when a connection is available. Kind of... ok, EXACTLY like the PS3 does now.
My friends and I like to bring consoles up to mountain cabins where there is no 'net connection, but power and TVs. This "feature" would make that impossible.
There is no copying of data. The data is/always/ encrypted on the device, it's the encryption key that is password protected.
It's actually very simple. When the device is initially set up, a symmetric key is generated and all the user data is encrypted using that key. When you set a lock screen password, the encryption key is then encrypted using the password and stored in flash. Unlocking the device with the valid password decrypts the key into RAM so that the user data can be decrypted. Locking the device removes the decrypted key from memory, thus leaving all of the data in flash in a secure state.
If the device is configured to self-erase after too many failed password attempts, the device simply deletes the encryption key from flash and the device is effectively wiped.
Those aren't wrongful imprisonment lawsuits, they are legislatively-defined reparations for certain types of exonerations. Only about half of the states have anything like that and the ones that do have very strict rules behind them. For example, if you had a prior conviction or you pleaded guilty to the charge to avoid the death penalty, you won't get anything.
Maybe my google-fu isn't as good as yours, but I certainly can't find many cases at all where any government entity was found guilty of false imprisonment. There are plenty of civil actions against people for submitting false evidence to get someone locked up, but the police and prosecutors are not at fault there.
A guy I work with got one too. It was very nice looking, and the interface seemed pretty slick.
A couple of us were standing by his desk chatting and watched as his phone, sitting on his desk, lit up and started to call his wife without any user interaction. He had so many problems with it, he traded it in for an iPhone.
I've seen a few in the wild, like people using them in restaurants and bars, but he was the only person I've known that had one.
Ample grounds? Unless a police officer or prosecutor fabricated or blatantly withheld evidence, there is nothing you can do but accept that period of your life was wasted and that your arrest record will haunt you for the rest of your life.
Simply beating a case in an appeal doesn't automatically make you a victim of false imprisonment.
The problem is that the ones with good motives will rarely, if ever, testify against or turn in a bad cop for doing illegal things. IMO, that puts them all at the same level.
It's the "We're on the side of good, so we can do what we want" mentality that inevitably corrupts even good people.
Am I the only one that couldn't handle listening to the audio in that clip? One guy is speaking into my left ear and the other guy into my right. It's like I'm standing between them staring off orthogonally, but the video has me looking right at the interviewee. Makes my head spin.
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Ok, so you don't care if you deprive the gays the tax benefits of marriage as long as you can have your 2^24oz soda and become a fat fuck that the rest of the US has to pay for. That's really cool of you. The underlying homophobia in your post really took the cake too.
You came out with the bold statement about conservatives protecting personal freedoms more than liberals. I've sufficiently provided numerous examples on the contrary, and all you could muster up was a single example of large soda bans along with lots of misinformation and name-calling. Good for you.
Go back to your brainwashing cable news telling you how left-wing everyone is so they can push for a religious dictatorship.... Better yet, move to a more conservative country. I hear Iran is nice this time of year.
Banning gay marriage outright is pretty high up on the right-wing bucket list, so no, they do not have all the rights you have. Most people shouldn't care, but they do and you get shit like CA prop 8, and no equal rights at the federal level.
The church on the block was referring to the attempt to build a Mosque a few blocks away from the 9/11 site.
As for crime, the conservative stance is always "tough on crime" which ends up being jack-booted thugs and crazy prison sentences for minor offenses. Unfortunately, anyone who tries to change that, whether it be a more moderate conservative or a liberal, gets labeled as being on the side of the criminals. The ultra-conservatives keep pushing a line that line farther, and any attempt to pull it back is political suicide.
As for drug use, helping addicts instead of putting them in jail is far cheaper and less of a burden on society. I don't understand why conservatives are more than happy to blow 2-3x the tax dollars on a jail cell rather than give some one a "hand out" of social support and let them continue to contribute to the economy.
Reasonable sentences for minor stuff. Of course reasonable is relative but I think sending people off to jail for stupid crap like drug possession is good for no one.
That's a very liberal stance you have there.
See, we can agree on a lot. Not everything of course but I bet if we sat down and rapped about it awhile we could agree on a middle ground somewhere.
Sure we can, but I think you've picked the wrong team based on your ideals, which was my original point. Liberals, in general, stand up for personal freedoms far more than conservatives.
"IANAL, but is there any reason the officer cannot decide to turn it into a full-blown arrest? After all, you are being charged with having committed a crime, right?"
Maybe being detained and then arrested is what Golddess meant, but that's not what she said. So I could have misunderstood.
You did.
The question was in the context of being pulled over for violating a traffic law, which is normally a brief detainment and a ticket, and having the officer subsequently (turn it into an) arrest and take you to jail. The fact is, if you are charged with not wearing a seat belt, the officer can arrest you, take you to jail and collect your DNA.
In the example you gave, the woman was likely just "detained", from a legal standpoint.
If you would have read the first sentence of my link, you would know that the lady was arrested and that SCOTUS case specifically revolved around arresting and jailing someone for a minor offense. Here's some more detail.
Actually Liberals support personal freedom for people they agree with.
I'd like to hear how you back that statement up, because it is patently false. Left-wing = personal freedom, right-wing = corporate freedom. I can't make it any simpler than that.
Here's a list of some personal freedoms that are constantly attacked by the right-wing:
Gay rights
Abortion
Non-preferential tax treatment for all religions
The ability to build a church on a certain block
The ability to walk down the street without having to worry about a jack-booted thug removing ALL of you personal freedoms on a whim
Personal drug use
Reasonable sentences for small crimes
The only freedom I can think of that Liberals attack is the ability for /everyone/ to own military weapons.
Your answer doesn't really address Golddess' question.
The answer is "yes", and it is supported by supreme court. A Texas woman was arrested for not wearing her seat belt.
http://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Justices-OK-jail-for-minor-infractions-Woman-2927870.php
Why is it that just because the USA isn't #1 on some arbitrary list it's "hate on the US"?
The article doesn't even mention the USA and the summary only mentioned it at the end as a contrast because /. is a US-centric site and readers here probably wanted to know where we stood.
The amount of people on here that immediately went on the defensive shows a scary amount of nationalism in the US. Get over it people, we aren't #1 in everything.... Accept it.
Oh, I love the mods today. All I post is a verifiable fact and I get modded down. Thanks asshole!
The book Database Nation, published in 2000, shows a shocking set of pictures where a pole-mounted camera was able to perform iris recognition on a person driving 60 MPH down the freeway. That's at least 13 year old technology.
So yes, iris recognition can be used to track people in public areas, without their knowledge.
Your logic is absolutely insane. No one in Anonymous murdered anyone, but the EDL is a violent, bigoted, hate-filled group that apparently you sympathize with. Why? Because you share their hatred of religions different than your own?
If the EDL was a decent organization, why would they care if their membership list were leaked?
Pot, meet kettle. There is no difference between Christian extremists like the EDL (and you apparently) and Muslim extremists.
If people would stop believing in fairy tales, all of this hatred would end.
If the suspect is truly guilty of the charges then they should serve their time. Why are we letting criminals get away with serving so much less than they should simply because they plead guilty?
Now define the duration of "their time".
Hammond has spent 15 months in jail already, and will probably get a "time served" sentence, or maybe a little more. If the judge is feeling like being a real dick, he might give him 5-8 years.
So, if the "time" is 10 years for a crime, why on earth should a prosecutor have the ability to stack up charges such that he might spend the rest of his life in jail? Is wasting a week of the court's time worth the rest of someone's life? This is plain and simply abuse of the system by prosecutors.
My semi-related opinion: Prison is a terrible waste of taxpayer money and should only be used to keep dangerous people off the street. There plenty of ways to punish people without locking them up.
You're calling Anonymous bigots for non-violently attacking a violent, white-power bigot group? Weird.
Just a big waste of taxpayer money for something purely cosmetic. It would a frivolous waste of money we dont have to fix something thats not broken. I already pay too many taxes as it is. We need to stop spending on frivolous crap like this. It would confuse the hell out of everyone and there are no real reasons or benefits, just nonsense excuses. I actually find the english system to be perfectly fine and useable on road signs. No need to fix something thats not broken. Take your awkward, unnatural metric system back to europe where it belongs. i like the mile and foot just fine and I actually prefer this on our signs.
Now who can argue with that? I think we're all indebted to Eravnrekaree for clearly stating what needed to be said.
MS has used nearly identical tactics, but for copyright enforcement rather than patent enforcement.
My mom used to co-own a small, 3 person artists studio/gallery and received a very threatening letter from MS, saying that they were going to come into her studio and audit all of her computers for unlicensed software. If any was found they'd receive stiff penalties or potentially a lawsuit. The letter asked her to provide receipts and serial numbers for all of the software on her computers, and if she couldn't provide them, re-purchase them before the audit occurred.
She was really freaked out about this, thinking that they actually had the right to come into her studio and look around! Obviously, I explained to her that she could just ignore the letter, but I imagine /many/ people simply paid up due to the threat.
+1 if i had mod points today... Unfortunately the right-wing, pro-police-state idiots have already modded you down.
I think that the fire department is a great public service, and I don't condemn their service, but show me ONE that has ever in their lives stood up for what is right and testified against ANYONE with a badge who has abused their power.
Every fireman I have ever met has been a self-absorbed prick who thinks he's a at the same level as a cop and therefore above the law, and better than everyone else on the planet.
Normal people don't stare at Fox News all day and think that everyone outside of the status quo is a raving lunatic either. A very large portion of "normal" people smoke pot in America, as do people who enjoy "deviant" sex. (Not defending child molesters here, but "sexual deviant" is a grossly misused term whose definition only exists inside the speakers mind. To some, anything outside of missionary sex through a hole in a sheet is deviant.)
Some people just like the security and privacy of exchanging money without government monitoring. There is nothing illegal or immoral about that.
There still is no need for an internet connection. Save games take up very little space on the HD and can be synchronized up the cloud when a connection is available. Kind of... ok, EXACTLY like the PS3 does now.
My friends and I like to bring consoles up to mountain cabins where there is no 'net connection, but power and TVs. This "feature" would make that impossible.
I know that would hurt on a professional and emotional level.
I'm pretty sure the bowling pin up that girl's ass hurts on more of a physical level :)
There is no copying of data. The data is /always/ encrypted on the device, it's the encryption key that is password protected.
It's actually very simple. When the device is initially set up, a symmetric key is generated and all the user data is encrypted using that key. When you set a lock screen password, the encryption key is then encrypted using the password and stored in flash. Unlocking the device with the valid password decrypts the key into RAM so that the user data can be decrypted. Locking the device removes the decrypted key from memory, thus leaving all of the data in flash in a secure state.
If the device is configured to self-erase after too many failed password attempts, the device simply deletes the encryption key from flash and the device is effectively wiped.
Those aren't wrongful imprisonment lawsuits, they are legislatively-defined reparations for certain types of exonerations. Only about half of the states have anything like that and the ones that do have very strict rules behind them. For example, if you had a prior conviction or you pleaded guilty to the charge to avoid the death penalty, you won't get anything.
For more information (as posted somewhere else on this thread), see: http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/Compensating_The_Wrongly_Convicted.php
Maybe my google-fu isn't as good as yours, but I certainly can't find many cases at all where any government entity was found guilty of false imprisonment. There are plenty of civil actions against people for submitting false evidence to get someone locked up, but the police and prosecutors are not at fault there.
A guy I work with got one too. It was very nice looking, and the interface seemed pretty slick.
A couple of us were standing by his desk chatting and watched as his phone, sitting on his desk, lit up and started to call his wife without any user interaction. He had so many problems with it, he traded it in for an iPhone.
I've seen a few in the wild, like people using them in restaurants and bars, but he was the only person I've known that had one.
Ample grounds? Unless a police officer or prosecutor fabricated or blatantly withheld evidence, there is nothing you can do but accept that period of your life was wasted and that your arrest record will haunt you for the rest of your life.
Simply beating a case in an appeal doesn't automatically make you a victim of false imprisonment.
The problem is that the ones with good motives will rarely, if ever, testify against or turn in a bad cop for doing illegal things. IMO, that puts them all at the same level.
It's the "We're on the side of good, so we can do what we want" mentality that inevitably corrupts even good people.
Whoosh!
Precisely like this one. Or should I say "Ron Paul's propaganda machine."
Am I the only one that couldn't handle listening to the audio in that clip? One guy is speaking into my left ear and the other guy into my right. It's like I'm standing between them staring off orthogonally, but the video has me looking right at the interviewee. Makes my head spin.
Do us a favor and mix it down to mono.