At least for linux it has been. For example, fvwm forked off into fvwm2, fvwm95 and afterstep, (and more) arguably three different products. Arguments about the "duplicated effort" are ridiculous. The world is clearly a better place for having the choice.
As for KDE, lets not forget why many distributions refused to bundle it (it was not open-source ( this has changed 8) ) Now we do have two "divergent" OSS development efforts (KDE and Gnome).
Each group surely has idea of what should and should not be done, if they were forced to work together we would likely be left with one LCDDE ("lowest common denominator" desktop environment). Instead, we have two rich, (fairly) clean environments that
Evolve on their own.
"Borrow" ideas from each other. Because of this, both projects (and all of us) benefit.
As to the Gnome/KDE wars, so what? The vi/emacs wars have been going on for years with zero casualties. Though I disagree with emacs on philisophical grounds, it is a remarkable product.
Modern (glibc) Distributions No real dissent here. All of the sources come from the same places and package-format conversion utilities take care of binaries.
Personally, I've always found the core mechanics the most fascinating, (sometimes to the exclusion of all else). The nuts and bolts are what makes Linux powerful and elegant.
As far as fame goes, Linus receives the most by dealing with core kernel code, the core of the core as it were. Alan Cox, working on core-kernel and driver code (mainly), currently receives second billing. RMS's contributions to make, glibc, (long list) gets far less attention than deserved. And for the developers working on the "fancy" projects such as X11, XFree86, Gnome, KDE, StarOffice and Gimp, great as their contribution is, there is far less name-recognition.
libc5.x.xx Ignore the bit about (obsolete) libc5. As long as you have the latest glibc-2.0.x, you should be fine. glibc-2.1 will give you ptmx support, etc., but it may also break other things.
Routing With 2.1.??? and 2.2.x kernels, bringing up an interface automatically adds its routes. Comment out the following lines from '/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup':
133: route add -net ${NETWORK} netmask ${NETMASK}
135: route add -host ${IPADDR} ${DEVICE}
Broadcast for bootp/dhcp 'bootpc' doesn't seem to work on my Multia's on a "down" interface. My workaround has been to build a kernel w/bootp support and not bring the interface down before using 'bootpc'.
Other Stuff There's a bunch. Can't think of it right now (construction workers just started up the jackhammer right outside my window). Please feel free to add.:)
This issue touches on dangerous ground, dangerous both to privacy and freedom of speech. That it has been turned into "Privacy vs. Freedom" is the real tradegy here.
What this site promotes (conspires to) is harrasment, blackmail and invasion of privacy, all of which (I think) are jailable offenses. Maybe these people should be jailed for conspiracy, not fined for exercising their First Amendment rights.
DCG Inc. Great service, good prices. (story follows) I ordered myself a UX-600mhz (intergrated scsi+ether) for x-mas (last minute). The day after confirmation, they called back with news that (due to the holiday) 2mb-UX boards would be out of stock for a time. Instead of saying "Thanks for the money, you can wait a few weeks", Steve (the owner) offered me an LX (more expensive) + SCSI controller and ate the cost difference. I can't make any promises that they'll do the same for you, but that experience alone impressed the hell out of me. Anyway, if I had $5,000 to spend on hardware now, I'd either:
Install PVM on 2 of their $2,200 boxes (533mhz, IDE) and spend the extra on ups+disk+ram
Get the $4,300 "cool box" (UX-667mhz, 4mb-cache, SCSI).
Microway No personal experience here, but they're always running specials... that and everyone's heard of them. If you really want to chomp on data, try one of their quadputer cards (I've always wanted to...)
Remember: Intel is the question -- Alpha is the answer.
For "the low end box... just below $4,000", SGI is once again trying to sell^H^H^H^Hpander overpriced, underpowered equiptment by cramming it into a "sleek-n-slick" shiny plastic box.
Right now you can pick up a VArStation YMP(dual 450) with a 16mb Matrox G200 for under $3800 which will easily bury SGI's VPC320(UP) offering. VA's YMP(dual 350) at "just below" $2800 also outdoes this monster.
What it comes down to is, you'd be hard pressed to find someone trying to charge more while offering less.
Their LCD screen, on the other hand, is the coolest thing I've ever seen.
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Erm. Bigotry has got nothing to do with it. Simply, libc5 was a library chain with a non-portable structure that was abandoned by its developers (a long time ago). Slackware, (my first distro), unwisely continued to build against this obsolete library long after its effective demise.
BTW, I still keep my first Slackware CD's and my old Atari800 as momentos. I just don't use them.
( BTW - I am in no way affiliated with any of the following outfits ) As far as UDB(multia)'s go,
www.cpumicromart.com You can pick up a udb+ram for ~$180. Any old 3.5" IDE drive will do. Pitfalls
Finding (or making) a 2.5"(notebook)ide -> 3.5"ide cable.
Older UDB firmware doesn't understand IDE properly. You may need to flash an upgrade (from gatekeeper.dec.com), if so, you will need a floppy.
These come in two models, one w/ a 3.5" hdd mounting bracket and one w/ a pci-riser. You can still cram a 3.5" hdd into the pci-slot model, but...
won't be able to use a floppy.:(
the hdd will stick ~2" out the front.:(
You can install redhat (or whatever) w/o a floppy or cdrom (not for the timid)
Install the hdd in a working machine.
Partition it like you would any other UDB (small (8mb or so) msdos-fs hd?1 etc).
Install linload.exe, milo, kernel, rootdisk, etc. in said partition.
Put the drive in your Multia.
Fix your boot-settings to point at the stuff you installed.
Cross your fingers and boot.
Make sure the RedHat-CD is NFS-exported somewhere.
When (if) the RedHat installer comes up, specify NFS for the install source.
www.eli.com ELI has a few "new in box" systems left for ~$350. All original stuff, factory 540mg scsi hdd, etc. They even test their systems, offer warranty, fast delivery...
On the other hand, prices on "new" equiptment is falling fast. A little while ago, LX164 systems were >$5000. Now, LX164-533 systems can be had for under $2500 and SX164-533(reduced cache) systems for under $1500. AxpLinux (despite myths to the contrary) now supports IDE, which can account for hundreds of dollars in savings... Please take note that in many of the 2.1.x and 2.2.0-pre kernels IDE is broken.
www.dcginc.com For ~$2200 you can pick up an 533mhz-LX164a with an ide-hdd and 2mb L3 cache.
www.microway.com (fyi: I have no experience dealing with microway) Microway has a "special" going on 533mhz-SX164pc's for $1395. These boxes only have 1mb L2 cache, but they still spec_fp better than a PII-450.
Looks like your build tree got corrupted somehow... arch/i386/lib/checksum.c was renamed.../old-checksum.c and replaced by asm-code.../checksum.S In short, checksum.c should not exist.
To get back up to spec, you'll have to...
Cross your fingers:)
Roll back to an older (vanilla) kernel.
Do a 'make distclean'.
Make sure that you have the latest version of patch(2.5 should be OK)
Its truly a shame that nit-picking jerks with a complaint don't hesitate to hurl insults, whereas(bold tags) people who appreciate someone's toil keep their mouths shut.
Admittedly, I read freshmeat every day, yet I've never sent off an e-mail saying "Great Job" or "Couldn't make it through the day without it". I suspect that I'm not alone.
I see four options...
If you don't like FreshMeat, good for you, get a job or something.
If you have ever shown this guy any appreciation, my hat is off to you.
If you love FM half as much as I do, say something about it.
If you depend on FM, but still choose to bite the hand that feeds you, try counseling.
Slashdot Mirror
Because of this, both projects (and all of us) benefit.
No real dissent here. All of the sources come from the same places and package-format conversion utilities take care of binaries.
Subject says it all.
It looks like they reserved earthshoes.com and earthshoes.net. back in Oct.1998 (but they still haven't set up any names or sites).
Personally, I've always found the core mechanics the most fascinating, (sometimes to the exclusion of all else). The nuts and bolts are what makes Linux powerful and elegant.
As far as fame goes, Linus receives the most by dealing with core kernel code, the core of the core as it were. Alan Cox, working on core-kernel and driver code (mainly), currently receives second billing. RMS's contributions to make, glibc, (long list) gets far less attention than deserved. And for the developers working on the "fancy" projects such as X11, XFree86, Gnome, KDE, StarOffice and Gimp, great as their contribution is, there is far less name-recognition.
As long as you have the latest glibc-2.0.x, you should be fine. glibc-2.1 will give you ptmx support, etc., but it may also break other things.
Use a stock dist. and all of the updates from "ftp://updates.redhat.com/5.2/" for your architecture.
With 2.1.??? and 2.2.x kernels, bringing up an interface automatically adds its routes. Comment out the following lines from '/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifup':
'bootpc' doesn't seem to work on my Multia's on a "down" interface. My workaround has been to build a kernel w/bootp support and not bring the interface down before using 'bootpc'.
There's a bunch. Can't think of it right now (construction workers just started up the jackhammer right outside my window). Please feel free to add.
This issue touches on dangerous ground, dangerous both to privacy and freedom of speech. That it has been turned into "Privacy vs. Freedom" is the real tradegy here.
What this site promotes (conspires to) is harrasment, blackmail and invasion of privacy, all of which (I think) are jailable offenses. Maybe these people should be jailed for conspiracy, not fined for exercising their First Amendment rights.
- DCG Inc.
- Install PVM on 2 of their $2,200 boxes (533mhz, IDE) and spend the extra on ups+disk+ram
- Get the $4,300 "cool box" (UX-667mhz, 4mb-cache, SCSI).
- Microway
Remember: Intel is the question -- Alpha is the answer.Great service, good prices. (story follows)
I ordered myself a UX-600mhz (intergrated scsi+ether) for x-mas (last minute). The day after confirmation, they called back with news that (due to the holiday) 2mb-UX boards would be out of stock for a time. Instead of saying "Thanks for the money, you can wait a few weeks", Steve (the owner) offered me an LX (more expensive) + SCSI controller and ate the cost difference.
I can't make any promises that they'll do the same for you, but that experience alone impressed the hell out of me.
Anyway, if I had $5,000 to spend on hardware now, I'd either:
No personal experience here, but they're always running specials... that and everyone's heard of them.
If you really want to chomp on data, try one of their quadputer cards (I've always wanted to...)
For "the low end box ... just below $4,000", SGI is once again trying to sell^H^H^H^Hpander overpriced, underpowered equiptment by cramming it into a "sleek-n-slick" shiny plastic box.
Right now you can pick up a VArStation YMP(dual 450) with a 16mb Matrox G200 for under $3800 which will easily bury SGI's VPC320(UP) offering. VA's YMP(dual 350) at "just below" $2800 also outdoes this monster.
What it comes down to is, you'd be hard pressed to find someone trying to charge more while offering less.
Their LCD screen, on the other hand, is the coolest thing I've ever seen.
Erm.
Bigotry has got nothing to do with it.
Simply, libc5 was a library chain with a non-portable structure that was abandoned by its developers (a long time ago). Slackware, (my first distro), unwisely continued to build against this obsolete library long after its effective demise.
BTW, I still keep my first Slackware CD's and my old Atari800 as momentos. I just don't use them.
As far as UDB(multia)'s go,
- www.cpumicromart.com
- Install the hdd in a working machine.
- Partition it like you would any other UDB (small (8mb or so) msdos-fs hd?1 etc).
- Install linload.exe, milo, kernel, rootdisk, etc. in said partition.
- Put the drive in your Multia.
- Fix your boot-settings to point at the stuff you installed.
- Cross your fingers and boot.
- Make sure the RedHat-CD is NFS-exported somewhere.
- When (if) the RedHat installer comes up, specify NFS for the install source.
- www.eli.com
On the other hand, prices on "new" equiptment is falling fast. A little while ago, LX164 systems were >$5000. Now, LX164-533 systems can be had for under $2500 and SX164-533(reduced cache) systems for under $1500. AxpLinux (despite myths to the contrary) now supports IDE, which can account for hundreds of dollars in savings... Please take note that in many of the 2.1.x and 2.2.0-pre kernels IDE is broken.You can pick up a udb+ram for ~$180. Any old 3.5" IDE drive will do.
Pitfalls
- Finding (or making) a 2.5"(notebook)ide -> 3.5"ide cable.
- Older UDB firmware doesn't understand IDE properly. You may need to flash an upgrade (from gatekeeper.dec.com), if so, you will need a floppy.
These come in two models, one w/ a 3.5" hdd mounting bracket and one w/ a pci-riser. You can still cram a 3.5" hdd into the pci-slot model, but...- won't be able to use a floppy.
:( - the hdd will stick ~2" out the front.
:(
You can install redhat (or whatever) w/o a floppy or cdrom (not for the timid)ELI has a few "new in box" systems left for ~$350. All original stuff, factory 540mg scsi hdd, etc. They even test their systems, offer warranty, fast delivery...
For ~$2200 you can pick up an 533mhz-LX164a with an ide-hdd and 2mb L3 cache.
(fyi: I have no experience dealing with microway)
Microway has a "special" going on 533mhz-SX164pc's for $1395. These boxes only have 1mb L2 cache, but they still spec_fp better than a PII-450.
Ditto (on the subject line).
Well... The code isn't 64-bit clean. :( :)
I'll see if I can do anything about it tonight.
If anyone's interested, I'll reply to (myself) this message tomorrow morning.
Looks like your build tree got corrupted somehow... .../old-checksum.c and replaced by asm-code .../checksum.S
arch/i386/lib/checksum.c was renamed
In short, checksum.c should not exist.
To get back up to spec, you'll have to...
Oops... 'linux/include/asm-alpha/ipc.h' was not
provided with this patch, even though 'linux/ipc/util.c' now needs it.
Its truly a shame that nit-picking jerks with a complaint don't hesitate to hurl insults, whereas(bold tags) people who appreciate someone's toil keep their mouths shut.
Admittedly, I read freshmeat every day, yet I've never sent off an e-mail saying "Great Job" or "Couldn't make it through the day without it". I suspect that I'm not alone.
I see four options...
void rbowles(int sig)