It's not the goverment's job to do anything about poverty
it's not? what do we need governmets for then? this is exactly the governments job, this is why i (want to) pay taxes.
look at some of the countries in the european union. the povertylevel is a lot less than here in the US. people that are poor in ie. germany are in that situation by their own fault (because they are to lazy or to stupid to collect their social security money, which is enough to live a relativly decent live)
no it's not! the GPL says that IF (and only if) you get the binaries, you have a right to get the source and distribute it. the GPL does not require them to distribute at all, if they don't want to. it's either both or nothing, and in this case it's nothing
(of course any student could eventually go ahead and distribute further)
And, if you think the fee is unfair, tell me what exactly the USPS does for people who can't afford postage...
i don't think the UPS fee is unfair, but i do think claiming 33 cents is expensive, is unfair. if you can't afford 33 cents, then you have other problems to worry about.
Why should we subsidize the same US post office which undercuts competitors with the surplus it earns on first-class mail? (Remember, they're the only ones who can deliver it -- by law. That's a real monopoly.)
are you aware, how expensive it is, to deliver mail to rural areas? in germany the firstclass monopoly mail fell just recently, and you know what happens? competitors pick the raisins out of the cake, and only do downtown first-class, which they can do very very cheaply. this cuts away from the earnings of the postoffice, and may end in the postoffice being forced to raise prices to deliver mail out to the countryside.
this first-class mail monopoly, as bad as monopolies usually are, comes with a price: the price of being required to deliver anywhere!(*)
greetings, eMBee. (*)can somebody confirm that this is actually true for the US? --
i never said that you wantet to propose a new term you proposed that we should accept the plain english definitions for open, free and source. this does not help, because we need a term that decribes the fact that we are allowed to change and redistribute. what i am trying to say is: as long as there is no clear term for the above, people will continue to disagree over the plain english definition.
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Why don't we all agree to the following simple English.
because we don't like that interpretation. we want software that we can change and redistribute. i realize that neither 'open source' nor 'free software' are fit for this definition. but trying to coin yet another term will not raise the chance that we are understood correctly. personnaly i'd like to suggest 'freedom software', but knowing about the dynamics of language (which is quite static), i doubt any success.
Because Be have no support from the hardware vendors. If they are have a commercial product that has a problem for a user, they are liable. Hence, if thats due to lack on info they cant get, they are stuffed. Linux etc. dont have this problem because if it doesnt work, it doesnt work, and no-ones liable.
i don't agree with that argument. there are companies selling linux for ppc, they are just as liable for their product as Be is. the fact that that a product comes with source does not exclude its distributor from liability!
right, eg. i was unable to upgrade gnumeric for my alpha, because there are no slink updates. and no, neither switching to unstable nor trying to do gather all necessary libs and attempting the upgrade manually are an option, if i'd have time for that i wouldn't need a dist in the first place.
i am now forced to switch my alpha to redhat because my grandmother (who needs gnumeric, to replace the binary-intel only wingz she used previously on a 486) can't wait any longer...
i'd be happy if debian could continue to work on the stable release and provide upgrades for the unstable and/or rapidly changing packages in it...
have you ever worked with NeXTstep or OPENSTEP? then you'd see that Mac OS X is halfway between. some things feel like the old NeXT, some like Mac OS, some bugs, so altogether it didn't feel quite ready yet. however i didn't notice any crashes, but then, i never used the machine for long, because OmniWeb wouldn't run, and the machine was needed otherwise i was quite happy that Mac OS X was a small step away from Mac OS to NeXTstep. this is the Mac OS X DR that was released to developers after Mac OS X Server, which i am sure has improved from Mac OS X Server. greetings, eMBee. -- --
why only apache? what about the other free software webservers out there? only allowing apache modules is like nominating for best linux eyecandy! greetings, martin. --
Unlike PCs, the Sun network can allow users to access personal files from anywhere in the world.
gee, thank god, i have a sparcstation idleing at home, otherwise i wouldn't be able to connect to the various accounts on pc's running linux or workstations running irix or aix, from my NeXTstation running NeXTstep.
well my mom doesn't but my grandma: she is 80 now, in 1994 i set up my linux box for her with xemacs and LaTeX (there where no usable desktops available then) i created some templates so she would only need to fill in the LaTeX contents, got her some LaTeX books, and answered questions as they came up. she took notes, and since at least three years she is basicly working on her own, writing letters and stories, meeting protocols in german and rumanian (whith lots of wierd characters), she has no problem creating tables, minipages or what not, does accounting for a small bimonthly society magazine using wingz (i set up the formulas, she just adds the data). she is running all programs (xemacs, xdvi, latex, lpr, wingz, xtetris, xjewel) from the commandline and only threatens me with going back to windows for fun.
babelfish v. To translate from one language to another using a web-based application.
incorrect! correct is: babelfish v. to translate from one language to another by the use of a fish stuck in your ear. i ~ed this text for you
your above mentioned web-based application is only a poor interface for those who are to afraid to stick a fish in their ear. actually the text you enter in the web-interface is read aloud to a group of people, each with a fish in their ear. the person who's native language is the one requested will simply type what he hears and the web-interface will then output the typed response. (note that the translation has already been done by the fish, so this should really be an easy task) the poor quality of the translation stemms purely from the fact that altavista was to cheap to hire experienced typists.
As far as I am concerned, there is only one thing a GIF can do which other format can't, that is the transparent gif (no flames, please, I am not an expert here). If you want to use transparent gifs, use a licensed program. If you want to do anything else, use a different format.
nope it's more like, jpeg is the only imageformat in wide use, which does not have transparency. png, tiff, xcf and psd all have it. in fact their trancparency (alpha channel) is a lot better than gifs. (the only problem is, that netscape doesn't yet support the png alpha channel)
Torvalds seems a populist at heart, and his drive to break monopoly software pricing is reflected in his other tastes. For example, he won't buy a book in hardback: He believes they cost too much because they generally don't sell widely. Similarly, he prefers Hollywood entertainment to highbrow European art films.
how does bying cheap books and watching mainstream hollywood movies help break monopolies? exactly the opposite is true: cheap books and hollywood make it hard to create and sell high-quality products that only have a small audience. why do you think microsoft gives away IE? and once you pushed everybody else out of business then you can raise prices and enjoy your monopoly note: i do not want to criticize linus' choice of books and movies, but the interpretation of it.
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it's not? what do we need governmets for then?
this is exactly the governments job, this is why i (want to) pay taxes.
look at some of the countries in the european union. the povertylevel is a lot less than here in the US. people that are poor in ie. germany are in that situation by their own fault (because they are to lazy or to stupid to collect their social security money, which is enough to live a relativly decent live)
greetings, martin.
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i am all in favour of keeping the internet uncensored, but the above argument is tough, how do you explain that to parents?
greetings, eMBee.
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the GPL says that IF (and only if) you get the binaries, you have a right to get the source and distribute it.
the GPL does not require them to distribute at all, if they don't want to.
it's either both or nothing, and in this case it's nothing
(of course any student could eventually go ahead and distribute further)
greetings, eMBee.
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i don't think the UPS fee is unfair, but i do think claiming 33 cents is expensive, is unfair.
if you can't afford 33 cents, then you have other problems to worry about.
greetings, martin.
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are you aware, how expensive it is, to deliver mail to rural areas?
in germany the firstclass monopoly mail fell just recently, and you know what happens?
competitors pick the raisins out of the cake, and only do downtown first-class, which they can do very very cheaply. this cuts away from the earnings of the postoffice, and may end in the postoffice being forced to raise prices to deliver mail out to the countryside.
this first-class mail monopoly, as bad as monopolies usually are, comes with a price:
the price of being required to deliver anywhere!(*)
greetings, eMBee.
(*)can somebody confirm that this is actually true for the US?
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i guess i didn't read your initial post close enough, before i havn't thought about taking that position, but i do agree with you.
thanks for the worthwile discussion.
greetings, eMBee.
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you proposed that we should accept the plain english definitions for open, free and source.
this does not help, because we need a term that decribes the fact that we are allowed to change and redistribute.
what i am trying to say is:
as long as there is no clear term for the above, people will continue to disagree over the plain english definition.
greetings, eMBee.
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greetings, eMBee.
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because we don't like that interpretation. we want software that we can change and redistribute.
i realize that neither 'open source' nor 'free software' are fit for this definition.
but trying to coin yet another term will not raise the chance that we are understood correctly.
personnaly i'd like to suggest 'freedom software', but knowing about the dynamics of language (which is quite static), i doubt any success.
greetings, eMBee.
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i don't agree with that argument.
there are companies selling linux for ppc, they are just as liable for their product as Be is.
the fact that that a product comes with source does not exclude its distributor from liability!
greetings, eMBee
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eg. i was unable to upgrade gnumeric for my alpha, because there are no slink updates.
and no, neither switching to unstable nor trying to do gather all necessary libs and attempting the upgrade manually are an option, if i'd have time for that i wouldn't need a dist in the first place.
i am now forced to switch my alpha to redhat because my grandmother (who needs gnumeric, to replace the binary-intel only wingz she used previously on a 486) can't wait any longer...
i'd be happy if debian could continue to work on the stable release and provide upgrades for the unstable and/or rapidly changing packages in it...
greetings, eMBee.
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good point, but i understand that postgres is just to slow, so there are no real alternatives...
greetings, eMBee.
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why do they still use majordomo,
which is not open source???
greetings, eMBee.
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have you ever worked with NeXTstep or OPENSTEP?
then you'd see that Mac OS X is halfway between.
some things feel like the old NeXT, some like Mac OS, some bugs, so altogether it didn't feel quite ready yet. however i didn't notice any crashes, but then, i never used the machine for long, because OmniWeb wouldn't run, and the machine was needed otherwise
i was quite happy that Mac OS X was a small step away from Mac OS to NeXTstep.
this is the Mac OS X DR that was released to developers after Mac OS X Server, which i am sure has improved from Mac OS X Server. greetings, eMBee. --
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every time you hit enter, you'll get the translation.
oh, to catch capitals you need of course:tr a-zA-Z n-za-mN-ZA-M
greetings, eMBee
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tr a-z n-za-m
greetings, martin.
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why only apache? what about the other free software webservers out there? only allowing apache modules is like nominating for best linux eyecandy! greetings, martin.
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gee, thank god, i have a sparcstation idleing at home, otherwise i wouldn't be able to connect to the various accounts on pc's running linux or workstations running irix or aix, from my NeXTstation running NeXTstep.
well my mom doesn't but my grandma:
she is 80 now, in 1994 i set up my linux box for her with xemacs and LaTeX (there where no usable desktops available then) i created some templates so she would only need to fill in the LaTeX contents, got her some LaTeX books, and answered questions as they came up. she took notes, and since at least three years she is basicly working on her own, writing letters and stories, meeting protocols in german and rumanian (whith lots of wierd characters), she has no problem creating tables, minipages or what not, does accounting for a small bimonthly society magazine using wingz (i set up the formulas, she just adds the data).
she is running all programs (xemacs, xdvi, latex, lpr, wingz, xtetris, xjewel) from the commandline and only threatens me with going back to windows for fun.
incorrect!
correct is:
babelfish v. to translate from one language to another by the use of a fish stuck in your ear. i ~ed this text for you
your above mentioned web-based application is only a poor interface for those who are to afraid to stick a fish in their ear.
actually the text you enter in the web-interface is read aloud to a group of people, each with a fish in their ear. the person who's native language is the one requested will simply type what he hears and the web-interface will then output the typed response.
(note that the translation has already been done by the fish, so this should really be an easy task)
the poor quality of the translation stemms purely from the fact that altavista was to cheap to hire experienced typists.
but you are not lying to them, you do have a filtering device, it's called "brain"!
nope it's more like, jpeg is the only imageformat in wide use, which does not have transparency.
png, tiff, xcf and psd all have it. in fact their trancparency (alpha channel) is a lot better than gifs.
(the only problem is, that netscape doesn't yet support the png alpha channel)
greetings, eMBee.
hmm, it's debian isn't it?
shouldn't you then be able to just apply any full debian distro to it?
how does bying cheap books and watching mainstream hollywood movies help break monopolies?
exactly the opposite is true:
cheap books and hollywood make it hard to create and sell high-quality products that only have a small audience. why do you think microsoft gives away IE? and once you pushed everybody else out of business then you can raise prices and enjoy your monopoly
note: i do not want to criticize linus' choice of books and movies, but the interpretation of it.
userfriendly had it right from the beginning!