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SourceForge Code Release
Precision writes "SourceForge, the opensource hosting service provided by VA Linux, has announced the initial code release. You can grab a copy here." SourceForge rocks my world.
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It's good to see these guys keeping the community alive. I couldn't help but notice that their stock was up today, to the tune of something like 25 points. When am I going to be able to buy a VALinux PPC box??
My other computer is your Windows box
now if taco would just get going and post the slashdot source, we'd be all set....
What is sourceforge anyway?
But seriously, although opensource is cool and everything and the more of it around the better, how useful is this code release likely to be for people ? Not intended as a criticism, just genuine curiosity. It would seem to me that the usefulness of this site is in the resources offered rather than the code itself. But still ,kudos, good show to VA, definitely one of the companies that "get it"
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With places like server51, sourceforge, xnot, and all their ilk, any dork who can type gcc can enter the world of program creation... This is a good thing. It gets people comfortable with software creation and the tools used.
Microsoft is one of the biggest software manufacturers there is. Their products cover EVERYTHING. Yet not much else than Visual Basic is readily accessible by the average computer enthusiast. Why would it not be in MS's best interest to flood the market with dirt cheap or free copies of VC++ and development kits for the younguns to play with? Or do they do this already? Just a thought.
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BWHA HA HA HA!!!! I'm sorry, I know that was a troll but it WAS very funny!
P.S. To CmdrTaco - Here is a box. [] This box was donated by Ghostbusters, Inc, and comes complete with Enhanced(tm) SlashSource Troll containment fields. Place the box under such a troll, and activate, using the enclosed remote (-=). This will completely enclose the Troll in a Mk #5 Force Field, which can be released safely into any nuclear reactor core, for disposal.
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
Microsoft will never change its business practices unless it involves more people dumping money into their pockets, really. But there is no reason why Windows developers couldn't use SourceForge. The site is limited towards Open Source projects, not necessarily Linux.
you continue to slip. kinda sad, too. you used to be somewhat funny.
I have been having trouble getting thru to valinux and sorceforge websites for last week or so. (server not responding...) Anybody else had this problem?
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I have been trouble getting thru to valinux and sorceforge websites for last week or so. (server not responding...) Anybody else had this problem?
Criminalize spam and telemarketing!
If I read the site correctly, VA is offering this out of the goodness of their heart. While I don't don't their intentions, I wonder how long this can last if it proves to be more of a burden than they want.
Sure, VA has tons of money right now. But what happens when the good times stop rolling, and they really need to make money? When the shareholders start asking real questions like, "how do this bring value to my shares"?
It sounds really cool, but then lots of cool parks get built when cities have lots of money, but then the maintenance bills still come due when the recessions hit. :)
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too damn bad. There is nothing worse than people who don't practice what they preach.
CmdrPhony handed out awards at that open source clusterfuck awards show in New York, yet he won't open up the source here. I am surprised that Stallman and his cult would even stand next to these incredible fakes here at Slapdash.
At least with Sun and Apple, they spell out the fact that they are not TRUE open source in their licenses. They don't give the image that they are really the "good guys"
Please sir: I am ready for that -1. Any Slapdash source criticism will be instantly moderated down, but the people really know, they are a buch of fakers.
Sometimes you have to use moderator points in the right place. Automatically subjugating all posts mentioning the code are automatically marked troll. What would be reasonable would be to stop stifling the discussion, and try to get a real answer from Cmdr. Taco et al. as opposed to the lame excuses we got during the recent interview.
As much as I hate to admit it, I'm now convinced that those upset that the source to slash hasn't been released in over a year are completely right to complain.
"slash" is supposedly an open source project - so where is the source?
Rob, practice what you preach.
- The powers that be of Slashdot openly advocate open source
- The users of Slashdot have expressed their wishes for a current version of Slashdot source
- The source does not gain any extra functionality when it is in a neater package
Con:In my opinion, the benefits outweight the negative aspects. The possible security problems might even get fixed before anyone manages in exploiting them. Thus I ask the powers that be of Slashdot to
However offtopic this might be, I do hope this thought will generate some constructive discussion about the subject.
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Way to go, guys. Now the slash source release will be delayed 24n hours, where n = the number of slash source release complaints attached to this article. :-P
(INSTALL)----------------
There really is no SourceForge install procedure, since our
site is spread across 14 servers.
You can play with pieces of the site by setting up Apache/PHP
and pointing the document root to this distribution. It will
be necessary as well to setup MySQL and setup tables as described
in db/sourceforge.sql.
After that...
I'm not sure we'll ever really have something as simple as
an autoconf install, but we may be able to get certain modules
to work better as independent systems.
- The SourceForge Crew
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Needless to say, that's somewhat less than helpful. I did that, and I get a lot of php errors. This appears to be in the spirit of "Here's what we run. You can use it to inspire your own development." Don't expect to install this and have your own little "mini-sourceforge." Good that they released something though, unlike certain other so-called Open Source advocates.
"Moderation is good, in theory."
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There is no K5 cabal.
I am not the real rusty.
Don't you remember CmdrTaco saying in the recnt interview that everytime someone asks about it, he's going to delay the slash release by 24 hrs? We're already up to a couple of weeks' delay judging by the comments in this article.
Agreed, it seems miserly to withhold the code in an ostensibly open source project just because you don't like whiners. And I note that, because of human nature, not only does release time += 24hrs * complaints but complaints[N] += complaints[N-1]*2^delay ! (feedback loop) I.e., complaints increase delay, but delay also increases complaints.
But you guys aren't helping any. Write your own if you're so very impatient, and release it...start your own project.
Okay, that's enough. /. isn't an Open Source advocacy site. They are "news for nerds, stuff that matters". That stuff that matters just happens to include Open Source stuff.
What talk should Rob stop. He's repeated said he wasn't going to release the slash source ... and he hasn't. Sounds like the talk matches the walk pretty well.
Remember, /. isn't solely about Open Source and Linux. It's abotu all sorts of things which just happens to include open source and Linux. Maybe Rob doesn't support open source. It doesn't matter. It doesn't have anything to do with the stories on the front page.
-BrentWell, IMO putting up news in the spirit of how "bad" for example Sun's community source licensing model is (because it isn't open enough) and at the same time sitting over a pile of source code and denying every attempt to make it available to everyone is somehow absurd.
It's simple hypocrisy. I think the bottom line here might be money. I think they are afraid that someone will make a better "slashdot-like-site" and thus they will end up losing significant revenue. This is just speculation, of course, I have no first-hand knowledge about the roots of the situation. But maybe I should just stop viewing Slashdot and that way show my dislike towards the current situation.
I really hope the attitude behind the situation isn't "Open source and all that, as long as it's someone elses source".
After several 'incidents' with our paid-for virtual hosting here in the UK, we have started moving several features and replicating downloads over to our unit in SourceForge. So far it's been more reliable than our paid-for webspace, and just as quick, even though it's coming across the water.
One downer is that there's no ftp uploading availability. Instead it allows rsync and scp file transfers. This is done for security benefits. I also need a secure logon to admin our project. Either way this has got the makings of a really impressive service.
This is not a replacement for Freshmeat. It's something different. It's gives a central point for project developers, and also somewhere users can go to discuss project features, bugs, etc with the project maintainers.
In the long-term, I guess VA Linux is going to put more back into the community with SourceForge, than they are with Linux.com.
I just hope it stays free!
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any one know of a servlet based open source community software like SourceForge available anywhere. I'd love to set this system up on a server and contribute to the code but don't know PHP. for that matter what is the learning curve on PHP like?
It's funny.
You get some moderator pts, and after a little while you catch yourself doing the exact same thing you've been yelling and screaming about.
These clueless moderators are us.
why do they still use majordomo,
which is not open source???
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Don't you remember CmdrTaco saying in the recnt interview that everytime someone asks about it, he's going to delay the slash release by 24 hrs?
Yes, I perceived that as arrogant and hypocritical, and I wasn't impressed.
Life's a bitch but somebody's gotta do it.
Tech Support. (okay, two words.) The 'learning curve' of manipulating the Windows OS is quite steep (compared to command-line Unix or DOS). The developer cost for compilers reflects their cost for supporting the learning curve. The 'educational' cost for the compilers reflects the true cost of the product itself - since it is assumed an educational institution will have an internal community of experienced users to do all the hand-holding required to get through the learning curve. IMHO, of course.
Wow, another site using the lame combo: MySQL+PHP. And MySQL isn't Open Source. Why the fuck are you using something that's not free? Too lame to try PostgreSQL, eh?
Hmm, nospam?
AND IT'S NOT OPENSOURCE.
You ever notice how difficult it is to find some of the smaller open source projects that you just know you saw around? You search the web for hours in vain?
That will be one of the best contributions of this setup. A lot of the smaller projects are going to gravitate to web sites like Soureforge, making them much easier to locate. If you can locate an existing project, you can help it.
Much of the competeing Open source projects probably started because someone did not know that the origional existed. Of course, i gues that's also what freshmeat is for.
I actually downloaded a copy of the code once a long time ago. But I never used it although I did poke around in it for about an hour just to see what was up. it's been a year since the last slashdot release, I think someone said?
:)
I kind of understand that Rob doesn't get paid to package the code neatly and he probably doesn't even enjoy doing it that much either. And he doesn't have a lot of free time probably.
On the other hand I guess people would like to see the code and use it.
So why doesn't someone offer to handle packaging for Rob. For free. (Because we expect him to do it for free) Actually maybe a bunch of people could work on it. They would be given access to a lot of fairly raw code that Rob doesn't feel is ready yet.
They would be responcible to:
1) package the code.
2) perhaps fix the occasional bug.
3) answer newbie questions.
There could even be a full mailing list [slash-dev] for questions etc.
This way the code would be out there and Rob could spend the afternoon in his hamock at the geek compound. Everyone would be happy.
personally this doesn't sound like a whole lot of fun so I won't volunteer. but I don't use the slashdot code so I could be wrong about how fun a progect it would be.
-error27
Do you really think any nuclear reactor can withstand the might of a *slashdot* troll? The only way to safely dispose of the troll will be to carry the box to mount Doom and kill -9 troll :).
On topic, way to go SourceForge!!
I can throw myself at the ground, and miss.
You're absolutely right. We should all strive to write good, portable, clean, well-commented code even if no one will ever see it. (One of the Perl rules I picked up somewhere is "Always use -w and strict in a program over ten lines or a program you'll use more than twice.")
Still, I'm willing to give groups like SourceForge and Slashdot quite a lot of slack in the matter. They don't exist to produce high-quality code to help people build similar websites. That may come about as a result of their primary mission, but it's a mistake to put that ahead of providing a good place for Open Source projects to put their stuff or to provide an outlet for interesting news and information and public discussion about the news and information.
I'm sure they'd rather have good and useful websites with ugly code (that everyone wants to use) than boring and useless websites with beautiful code (that no one cares about using). Ideally, we shouldn't even have to make that tradeoff. Maybe someday, we won't have to.
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