The moderators function like net nannies for the/. readership. *I* can browse at -1, but most people rely on the ratings, seeing only a pre-digested view of the discussion as deemed valuable by some 14 year old zit-faced zealots. The whole system is severely broken, that's why I feel obliged to side with the trolls.
Well, I used to browse at -1, and sneer at people who complained about the crap and browsed at 0. But guess what? The disruption has just become TOO MUCH. Once upon a time, it was just short "first post" messages, and short dumb "me too" posts that were easy to ignore.
Nowadays, it's 20 page long contentless postings by someone who has a fixation with the paste function of their browser, and a clear intent of _disrupting_ communication. It just has become too much. Now I browse at 0, and sneer at people who browse at 1.
Instead of releasing a program to decrypt the blocked list sites, release the blocked list to the New York Times or Washington Post. Those guys will defend their first amendment rights.
Or won't touch it at all, to avoid getting sued for libel. Anyway, the only proof that the list is not a total fabrication is the program itself; I'd say that the list without the program is not worth very much.
However, if you live off-campus, they do give you free dialup access. (Phones in the in-campus residences are blocked from accessing the dialup.)
I personally think the price is good. It is a very fast connection (I was doing 790kB/sec to other systems in Silicon Valley yesterday since it's spring break... but 300kB/sec at night during the quarters in not uncommon.) That is, even if I could use the Univ. dialup lines from my residence for free, I would still want the ultra-fast connection for $80/yr (which is less than what I used to pay a year for dialup before coming here).
Of course, FALN terrorists^Wmembers are not associated in any way with anything illegal.
The COINTELPRO operation in Puerto Rico was started long before FALN existed.
And anyway, the vast majority of the people who were investigated had no connection to FALN, were not revealed to have done anything illegal, and it _is_ documented that they were subject to discrimination in many accounts from part of the government and many private entities. (You can see in files that the police would, for example, secretly tell potential employers not to hire these people.)
Do you mind keeping to what is actually there and what exists?
No, I don't mind. But the point was that, at the stage Debian is right now, implementing the capability to upgrade itself from source packages would be easy, since most of the infrastructure is there. For some reason it hasn't happened.
I wasn't aware that Debian actually has no binaries in/etc, just that it was far less of a mess then most other dists, thanks for the correction.
Debian's filesystem policy is quite strict. All config files in/etc, shareable static program data in/usr/share, nonshareable program data in/usr/lib, program state in/var, save for very few documented exceptions (like/usr/X11R6, and a couple others).
A have a few more quuestions about this... is/sbin a symlink? (and can anyone explain me why it should be a symlink to/usr/sbin ?
Where did you see a setup like that? Sounds positively brain-dead...
I've run Red Hat (ugh) and Debian, both have a/sbin and a/usr/sbin directory.
If the argument would be about what is theoretically possible, that would all be fine, but the argument is about real world things in use today.
Point taken, but then again, the point was not that Debian in some remote future might be able to do that, but that the infrastructure to do so is almost there; "apt-get source [packages] --compile" will grab package sources and build binaries from the net (doesn't install them). And apt-get can already automatically upgrade binary packages from the net. Thus the capability to do source upgrades is actually being worked on, and will probably materialize this year.
I run both freebsd and debian. I can tell you that they have very similar systems, just the way they went about implementing the commands was different.
I've thought that a couple of times. The package management systems I hear the most praise about are apt-get/dpkg and the ports system.
From Debians homepage I read they can do that for a large part but not for the entire distribution.
Debian's apt-get can upgrade everything in the system from binary packages on Debian mirrors.
I am talking about a basicly single command upgrade of the ENTIRE system from source including getting that entire source (or updating the one you already have).
Debian does not do automated upgrades from source, but it'll get to that point. The ability to build packages from sources is already there, in the program "debget". It would not take much to create a program to download source packages that have been updated, build the binary packages, and install them.
A good example for Linux and system V like systems in general is the things they stick into/etc BSD does not have any executable binaries there, just scripts and config files.
Again this is not the case for Debian. Debian has no executables in/etc. (Can you tell I'm a Debian user?;)
Anyone else think this troller is suspiciously similar to the one a couple weeks back in the Sociology, folkdancing, and now this thread on the Gaming B.A. story?
OTOH, what is the harm in a little investigation, assuming no overt action is taken? Isn't it better to "know" that so-and-so is either a criminal or not?
Do you really want someone investigating your life, and keeping files on who you know, your relation to them, your opinions, and so on, just so they can be sure that you are not a criminal?
If the investigator believes that some (suspicious) person *might* pose a threat to Society At Large(tm), [...]
The question is what right does the investigator have to decide what is good or wrong for society at large. In any case, government agencies like the FBI are not disinterested observers.
[...] AND the investigation is to be carried out discreetly, such that if nothing is found to be wrong, nobody will ever know, should s/he investigate or not?
Your assumption that "no one will ever know" is quite naive, I think. The discussion was about the FBI keeping files on citizens.
And anyway, in advocating this you are going against the face of documented cases of the government investigating citizens which are not suspected to be criminals. It has nearly always (if not always) been the case that a government keeps such files in order to disrupt legitimate citizen activities.
For example, where I'm from, Puerto Rico, the government kept for many years files on people just because they supported independence from the US. People who were in those files were routinely denied jobs, financial aid for education, and were harassed by the authorities. All of this culminated in the late 70s and early 80s with the ambush and summary execution of two people by the local police and subsequent cover up.
The FBI had for many years a COINTELPRO program on Puerto Rico independence, and frequently consulted the files I mention above.
There is violence inherent in socialism. My source? Karl Marx.
Who, contrary to modern myth, was not the only socialist around at the time. So you hardly establish anything.
There were many socialists at the time trying to achieve socialist societies (i.e. societies where the workers control the means of production) by diverse means.
I can understand the objection if you're in something like construction work that requires a great deal of physical strength, because women have to work harder to develop muscles to that point.
Gee, I've met many women who do construction work.
In any case, when you've got "Fin du Monde" and "Maudite" at 9 to 12%, in a 750mL bottle, there's not much American beers can do for you.
Those beers are amazing!!!! And not because of alcohol strength, but just because of their flavour and aroma. "Blanche de Chambly" (sp?) is significantly weaker (alchohol-wise), yet it's every bit as good.
For those who don't know which beers these are, they are French Canadian beers made by a company called "UniBroue", imported in the USA by a "Unibrew", in big 750ml bottles. These beers are great stuff, if you see one of them, buy it immediately.
The Win32 API is the definition of Windows. It's what people write software for (including Microsoft). The undocumented NT APIs are designed for developing emulation subsystems (e.g. Win32, POSIX, OS/2, Interix), not applications.
Well, you seem not to have read the posts Squirtle quoted well enough. You just don't mention two of Jeremy Allison's claims: first, that Microsoft SQL server, which is an _application_, makes use of an NT kernel call that used to be undocumented; second, that in implementing applications such as Kerberos 5 and Samba on NT, he has _needed_ to make use of the kernel interfaces.
The thrust of the article seeemed by about using the various OSes as servers... So why in the world does Linux score points for being able to scale downward to run on a Palm Pilot, where as with Windows, you have to choose CE? That means absolutely nothing to the target market.
The fact that Linux scales as far down as a Palm Pilot is not really relevant. The fact that it scales down very well to some other systems, like 486s, is very relevant. An old 486 with 16MB of RAM can be a very useful Linux system.
Stanford is one of the top CS schools around, they oughta know better.
Well, I'm at Stanford, and I can tell you that the univeristy sysadmins and CS people don't run all the systems in campus. In fact, there's many people running insecure linux systems in their offices/rooms which Stanford does not administer.
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Well, I used to browse at -1, and sneer at people who complained about the crap and browsed at 0. But guess what? The disruption has just become TOO MUCH. Once upon a time, it was just short "first post" messages, and short dumb "me too" posts that were easy to ignore.
Nowadays, it's 20 page long contentless postings by someone who has a fixation with the paste function of their browser, and a clear intent of _disrupting_ communication. It just has become too much. Now I browse at 0, and sneer at people who browse at 1.
No. Anarchism refers to a particular political theory.
One of the most thorough net resources on anarchism is An Anarchist FAQ Webpage.
This sounds a lot like Descartes to me...
Anyway, who is PKD?
Or won't touch it at all, to avoid getting sued for libel. Anyway, the only proof that the list is not a total fabrication is the program itself; I'd say that the list without the program is not worth very much.
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I personally think the price is good. It is a very fast connection (I was doing 790kB/sec to other systems in Silicon Valley yesterday since it's spring break... but 300kB/sec at night during the quarters in not uncommon.) That is, even if I could use the Univ. dialup lines from my residence for free, I would still want the ultra-fast connection for $80/yr (which is less than what I used to pay a year for dialup before coming here).
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I fail to see any real disadvantage to having fast internet access in your room.
For example, by using it in their room, they could download porn, warez, and mp3s every hour of the day, instead of just two or three.
Or they could check their email in their own room, instead of going somewhere else.
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Gee, and all these years I thought Turing was British.
America owns 90% of the sites on the net and produces 99% of the software and hardware that runs it.
Isn't 98% of that content just bad free porn sites? ;-)
Anyway, Mr. 80m^H^H^H Anonymous Coward, do you have any comments about the huge numbers of warez sites outside the US? ;-)
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Congrats on another successful troll, 80md.
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The COINTELPRO operation in Puerto Rico was started long before FALN existed.
And anyway, the vast majority of the people who were investigated had no connection to FALN, were not revealed to have done anything illegal, and it _is_ documented that they were subject to discrimination in many accounts from part of the government and many private entities. (You can see in files that the police would, for example, secretly tell potential employers not to hire these people.)
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He did. Look at this post.
In case you haven't realized by now, you fell for a very good troll.
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No, I don't mind. But the point was that, at the stage Debian is right now, implementing the capability to upgrade itself from source packages would be easy, since most of the infrastructure is there. For some reason it hasn't happened.
I wasn't aware that Debian actually has no binaries in /etc, just that it was far less of a mess then most other dists, thanks for the correction.
Debian's filesystem policy is quite strict. All config files in /etc, shareable static program data in /usr/share, nonshareable program data in /usr/lib, program state in /var, save for very few documented exceptions (like /usr/X11R6, and a couple others).
A have a few more quuestions about this... is /sbin a symlink? (and can anyone explain me why it should be a symlink to /usr/sbin ?
Where did you see a setup like that? Sounds positively brain-dead...
I've run Red Hat (ugh) and Debian, both have a /sbin and a /usr/sbin directory.
If the argument would be about what is theoretically possible, that would all be fine, but the argument is about real world things in use today.
Point taken, but then again, the point was not that Debian in some remote future might be able to do that, but that the infrastructure to do so is almost there; "apt-get source [packages] --compile" will grab package sources and build binaries from the net (doesn't install them). And apt-get can already automatically upgrade binary packages from the net. Thus the capability to do source upgrades is actually being worked on, and will probably materialize this year.
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I've thought that a couple of times. The package management systems I hear the most praise about are apt-get/dpkg and the ports system.
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Well, how could I forget this brilliant bit of rhetoric:
(Taken from this post of yours)
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Debian's apt-get can upgrade everything in the system from binary packages on Debian mirrors.
I am talking about a basicly single command upgrade of the ENTIRE system from source including getting that entire source (or updating the one you already have).
Debian does not do automated upgrades from source, but it'll get to that point. The ability to build packages from sources is already there, in the program "debget". It would not take much to create a program to download source packages that have been updated, build the binary packages, and install them.
A good example for Linux and system V like systems in general is the things they stick into /etc BSD does not have any executable binaries there, just scripts and config files.
Again this is not the case for Debian. Debian has no executables in /etc. (Can you tell I'm a Debian user? ;)
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Do you really want someone investigating your life, and keeping files on who you know, your relation to them, your opinions, and so on, just so they can be sure that you are not a criminal?
If the investigator believes that some (suspicious) person *might* pose a threat to Society At Large(tm), [...]
The question is what right does the investigator have to decide what is good or wrong for society at large. In any case, government agencies like the FBI are not disinterested observers.
[...] AND the investigation is to be carried out discreetly, such that if nothing is found to be wrong, nobody will ever know, should s/he investigate or not?
Your assumption that "no one will ever know" is quite naive, I think. The discussion was about the FBI keeping files on citizens.
And anyway, in advocating this you are going against the face of documented cases of the government investigating citizens which are not suspected to be criminals. It has nearly always (if not always) been the case that a government keeps such files in order to disrupt legitimate citizen activities.
For example, where I'm from, Puerto Rico, the government kept for many years files on people just because they supported independence from the US. People who were in those files were routinely denied jobs, financial aid for education, and were harassed by the authorities. All of this culminated in the late 70s and early 80s with the ambush and summary execution of two people by the local police and subsequent cover up.
The FBI had for many years a COINTELPRO program on Puerto Rico independence, and frequently consulted the files I mention above.
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Who, contrary to modern myth, was not the only socialist around at the time. So you hardly establish anything.
There were many socialists at the time trying to achieve socialist societies (i.e. societies where the workers control the means of production) by diverse means.
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Gee, I've met many women who do construction work.
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Those beers are amazing!!!! And not because of alcohol strength, but just because of their flavour and aroma. "Blanche de Chambly" (sp?) is significantly weaker (alchohol-wise), yet it's every bit as good.
For those who don't know which beers these are, they are French Canadian beers made by a company called "UniBroue", imported in the USA by a "Unibrew", in big 750ml bottles. These beers are great stuff, if you see one of them, buy it immediately.
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Well, you seem not to have read the posts Squirtle quoted well enough. You just don't mention two of Jeremy Allison's claims: first, that Microsoft SQL server, which is an _application_, makes use of an NT kernel call that used to be undocumented; second, that in implementing applications such as Kerberos 5 and Samba on NT, he has _needed_ to make use of the kernel interfaces.
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The fact that Linux scales as far down as a Palm Pilot is not really relevant. The fact that it scales down very well to some other systems, like 486s, is very relevant. An old 486 with 16MB of RAM can be a very useful Linux system.
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Stanford is one of the top CS schools around, they oughta know better.
Well, I'm at Stanford, and I can tell you that the univeristy sysadmins and CS people don't run all the systems in campus. In fact, there's many people running insecure linux systems in their offices/rooms which Stanford does not administer.
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