I had an Athlon 700 PC with a Matrox G400 video card.
The best glxgears score I could get under Red Hat or Gentoo was about 420fps. That was after some fiddling to make sure the proper DRI 3D drivers were being loaded. (It was 100fps without them.)
Under Knoppix... with, of course, no configuration whatsoever, I got around 780fps!
Still haven't figure out how to duplicate that score in Gentoo.:/ (But, I don't use 3D enough to care much...)
Re:Why no OpenOffice.org 1.1.0?
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> OOo 1.1.0 is still in the release candidate state.
Yes, but the OOo folks have said that it is production-ready. I think they did at RC3.
OOo 1.1.x, even in its current RC form, is light years ahead of OOo 1.0.x, and very stable. No new distro release should ever ship 1.0.x again, period!:)
> Which is why they should completely ignore it. Don't even read the patent abstract, unless a lawyer asks you to.
That's probably the best practice in most cases. Don't even look for patents. But this has been all over the news, so it would be hard for someone to claim they didn't know about it.:(
Problem is, the Open Source community needs to act on this if it's a valid patent. We can't really sit around and wait, hoping they'll give us a license. Knowingly infringing a patent could cost the Mozilla developers a LOT of money and grief. And if this patent is Eolas' only business, they don't have any PR incentive to let Moz off the hook.
Royally sucks. And they filed in 1994 so there might not be any prior art.
> No, but YOU can! Slash is fully customizable. You can edit the templates to suit your taste. See the HOWTO documents for themes, plugins, and templates.
Of course, I should also add that both numbers would be a lot lower if the Slashcode theme remotely resembled web standards instead of horrendous amounts of nested tables and "spacer" graphics, but that's getting off-topic.....
Not that anyone needs more than 16. I can't figure out what someone's doing that they would need more. I would think that that many desktops would be hard for a human to keep track of!
Nope, not unless you patch like mad. Distro kernels all (almost all) have numerous patches that Linus' kernel does not have. If you "upgrade" like this, you could well lose functionality or screw up your system. Don't do it unless you know what you're doing.
If your kernel has a serious problem that needs to be fixed, your distro will release a fixed kernel (if it's still supported).
Also, "funny" is very subjective, so you stand a great chance of getting metamoterated as unfair had you done so (assuming metamoderation applies to all moderation types).
I could be wrong, but I think Overrated and Underrated are not metamoderated.
How can you possibly have a userid that indicates you've been reading slashdot since the start (even if it were fitfully) and be in any way surprised by this?
Yeah you're right, no huge surprise. Just a bit of a disgusted rant.
Not only that, but especially considering that it wasn't the slightest bit funny! Sheesh! It's not like he told a joke that was going to make us burst our sides laughing, which is what a +5 Funny should indicate.
I was going to mod it Overrated, but decided to reply to you instead.
I agree with Jody. I've used OOo Calc and Gnumeric, and I generally prefer Gnumeric. It looks nicer, supports everything I need (except embeddable scripts, but needing those for me is rare). It is much lighter than OOo and can run on older computers. It is more tightly integrated with Linux/Gnome. (OK, I use KDE, but I still prefer Gnumeric to KSpread.)
Personally, I'm not 100% convinced that actual VBA support is that crucial. But something similar to it is. Just make it easy to do simple tasks with only a few lines of embedded Perl or Python, and make complicated tasks possible.:D
Then, perhaps a third party project could implement a "convert VBA to [gnumeric|OOo|whatever]" utility.
OpenOffice does support something very similar (though not code compatible).
Gnumeric, AFAIK, has hooks to control it through Python scripts. That's a start, but I don't know that the Python code can be embedded in a spreadsheet. If it can't, they should work on that. Embedding Python code in a spreadsheet would kick butt! Python has VBA beat by a light year.
Ok, cool. But why would someone do that on a Saturday? Should have done it during the week when their customers might be more likely to try to get to their site.
Of course, this tactic opens up a massive internal conflict.:) On one hand, I really hate to think that people will associate the Linux community with this kind of thing. On the other hand, I couldn't be more happy to see these guys getting what they deserve.
Ultimately, since it's illegal and rather immature, we really should put our foots down against this type of technique. SCO will be crushed in the marketplace and in court soon enough. We don't need to take down their site for that to happen.
> Except that there need to be different rpms for RedHat, Mandrake, SuSE... and for different versions of those distros.
Not necessarily. Perhaps a different set for each version of Perl. Perl has a pretty standard location for this type of stuff, across distros, I THINK./usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/ It's the same at least on Red Hat and Gentoo.
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Better yet, just let Netscape 4 die!!! :-)
Yeah... the G400 is far from high end, but it IS well supported with 100% open source drivers, and that means a lot to me! :D
No acceleration?
... with, of course, no configuration whatsoever, I got around 780fps!
:/ (But, I don't use 3D enough to care much...)
I had an Athlon 700 PC with a Matrox G400 video card.
The best glxgears score I could get under Red Hat or Gentoo was about 420fps. That was after some fiddling to make sure the proper DRI 3D drivers were being loaded. (It was 100fps without them.)
Under Knoppix
Still haven't figure out how to duplicate that score in Gentoo.
> OOo 1.1.0 is still in the release candidate state.
:)
Yes, but the OOo folks have said that it is production-ready. I think they did at RC3.
OOo 1.1.x, even in its current RC form, is light years ahead of OOo 1.0.x, and very stable. No new distro release should ever ship 1.0.x again, period!
Why else would Apple and Microsoft each spend millions of dollars reinventing their visual styles?
Because they think it will make them money. Which it probably will.
But will these new styles really make things a lot easier?
AFAIK it is for Impress presentations. So you can make a fancy presentation with all kinds of effects and then play it in a web browser.
Here is why this is stupid: You're DDoSing your ISP's dns server. Not the top root-level dns server.
/etc/resolv.conf would add to the jollies. :-)
Yes you'd be accessing your own nameserver first, but unless I'm missing something it would ALSO go to Verisign's.
Putting Verisign's own servers in
No, I'm not doing it myself, and I'm not advocating that anyone else do it. Just a comment.
> Which is why they should completely ignore it. Don't even read the patent abstract, unless a lawyer asks you to.
:(
That's probably the best practice in most cases. Don't even look for patents. But this has been all over the news, so it would be hard for someone to claim they didn't know about it.
Problem is, the Open Source community needs to act on this if it's a valid patent. We can't really sit around and wait, hoping they'll give us a license. Knowingly infringing a patent could cost the Mozilla developers a LOT of money and grief. And if this patent is Eolas' only business, they don't have any PR incentive to let Moz off the hook.
Royally sucks. And they filed in 1994 so there might not be any prior art.
> No, but YOU can! Slash is fully customizable. You can edit the templates to suit your taste. See the HOWTO documents for themes, plugins, and templates.
Correct. I actually did that for a customer once.
Of course, I should also add that both numbers would be a lot lower if the Slashcode theme remotely resembled web standards instead of horrendous amounts of nested tables and "spacer" graphics, but that's getting off-topic.....
I agree.
I used to host Slashcode based sites. The default home page was about 50k. With mod_gzip, it literally got down to about 6k. Really sweet!
But it still only shows 16 maximum.
Not that anyone needs more than 16. I can't figure out what someone's doing that they would need more. I would think that that many desktops would be hard for a human to keep track of!
No, the only solution is Internet Mail 2000.
Nope, not unless you patch like mad. Distro kernels all (almost all) have numerous patches that Linus' kernel does not have. If you "upgrade" like this, you could well lose functionality or screw up your system. Don't do it unless you know what you're doing.
If your kernel has a serious problem that needs to be fixed, your distro will release a fixed kernel (if it's still supported).
Also, "funny" is very subjective, so you stand a great chance of getting metamoterated as unfair had you done so (assuming metamoderation applies to all moderation types).
I could be wrong, but I think Overrated and Underrated are not metamoderated.
How can you possibly have a userid that indicates you've been reading slashdot since the start (even if it were fitfully) and be in any way surprised by this?
Yeah you're right, no huge surprise. Just a bit of a disgusted rant.
Something else I should have said ...
A couple days ago I posted a message in a SCO story that linked to this. I expected it to be modded Funny, but it didn't get modded once!
Now this post that says nothing but "ooooh my precious porn" gets a +5 Funny. Good grief!
Not only that, but especially considering that it wasn't the slightest bit funny! Sheesh! It's not like he told a joke that was going to make us burst our sides laughing, which is what a +5 Funny should indicate.
I was going to mod it Overrated, but decided to reply to you instead.
I agree with Jody. I've used OOo Calc and Gnumeric, and I generally prefer Gnumeric. It looks nicer, supports everything I need (except embeddable scripts, but needing those for me is rare). It is much lighter than OOo and can run on older computers. It is more tightly integrated with Linux/Gnome. (OK, I use KDE, but I still prefer Gnumeric to KSpread.)
Plus, competition is good.
We need Gnumeric and AbiWord. We need OOo too.
Good to see you're thinking about this!
:D
Personally, I'm not 100% convinced that actual VBA support is that crucial. But something similar to it is. Just make it easy to do simple tasks with only a few lines of embedded Perl or Python, and make complicated tasks possible.
Then, perhaps a third party project could implement a "convert VBA to [gnumeric|OOo|whatever]" utility.
Anyway, Gnumeric already kicks arse. Thanks!
I agree. VBA is very, very useful.
OpenOffice does support something very similar (though not code compatible).
Gnumeric, AFAIK, has hooks to control it through Python scripts. That's a start, but I don't know that the Python code can be embedded in a spreadsheet. If it can't, they should work on that. Embedding Python code in a spreadsheet would kick butt! Python has VBA beat by a light year.
> It's currently being hit by a massive DDoS.
:) On one hand, I really hate to think that people will associate the Linux community with this kind of thing. On the other hand, I couldn't be more happy to see these guys getting what they deserve.
Ok, cool. But why would someone do that on a Saturday? Should have done it during the week when their customers might be more likely to try to get to their site.
Of course, this tactic opens up a massive internal conflict.
Ultimately, since it's illegal and rather immature, we really should put our foots down against this type of technique. SCO will be crushed in the marketplace and in court soon enough. We don't need to take down their site for that to happen.
> Except that there need to be different rpms for RedHat, Mandrake, SuSE ... and for different versions of those distros.
/usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/ It's the same at least on Red Hat and Gentoo.
:)
Not necessarily. Perhaps a different set for each version of Perl. Perl has a pretty standard location for this type of stuff, across distros, I THINK.
> No rpm setup can get close to that.
Maybe not rpm. Apt and ebuild would do it.
No real disagreements, but it *is* nice to have this sort of stuff managed by your package manager.