You can set the preferences to whatever you like under Edit -> Preferences -> Advanced -> Cache -> Compare the page in cache to the page on the network.
Well I HAD that set to the default, "when the page is out of date." I just changed it to "once per session" and it looks like it's still doing it.
Yeah, you're right. It doesn't matter that they go from something like 7.2.0 to 7.2.2 in a minor series, but since their main goal is to never break binary compatibility, it seems as though it's a huge mistake for them to upgrade PG when it will break the database, UNLESS they make an automated dump/restore script run as part of the distro upgrader (which shouldn't be too hard to do actually).
I just immagine the poor person who upgrades Red Hat and then finds that their PG databases are unusable. Now that the old version has been wiped out, how in the world are they going to get their data back???
On the surface it seems good that they're upgrading to Mozilla 1.2.1, but I've had several problems with it compared to 1.0.1. It doesn't display updates to some XUL properties correctly after they update with JavaScript (Yes, I filed it... Bugzilla #185432). Also, it's not caching anything. If I press the BACK button or View Source, it always reloads the page. That's bad news.
OpenOffice.org -- fine now at 1.0.1, but I think the OOo folks are planning a bugfix release soon. Hopefully that will make it in the final release. OOo in RH8 has, for me, crashed the whole X server several times when scrolling around in certain Word and Excel documents. The development branch 643C fixes that problem. Has that happened to anyone else?
Anyone know what "musicbrainz" and "redland" are?
PHP: still at 4.2.2. Apache: still at 2.0.40. PHP 4.3 sounds like it will have a boatload of improvements. They're including beta versions of KDE, Gnome, and X (which will probably be finalized by release date), so why not PHP? And Apache has had several updates since then.
PostgreSQL 7.3. Nice, but upgrading requires a dump and restore. Is that a wise thing to do inside the 8.x series?
Why don't they include SDL_ttf??? Several programs require it. For 8.0, I couldn't find a binary RPM and had to build a source RPM. That worked, except that it conflicted with a/usr/bin/showfont that was already installed. That's not too cool.
Overall, it looks like it will definitely be better than 8.0, but not a revolutionary upgrade.
Apparently Hemos didn't read or understand anything in the article except what the submitter posted.
So I could put up a website, fill it with something like...
"l;jq fodsu alfjkls ahjrlah jkslfas Linux l arl4kj ajksdhflkjsah j afsfgd af hsfd Linux kjhwrjk wajklsf hdlsahf OpenOffice lahlkjfkajfd wahekhj ahi ghksafhjd ufw gjsakgf hjdsssag hj gfeyuigza67 ghuc gje4 g2hjg Linux. Dwkhj fdoisads Microsoft lskjfskjha rekjh kwsjkh kjs hjkshkj kjd."..., submit it to Slashdot saying "This article (in Mongolian) says that every computer user in Mongolia is being mandated to switch to Linux and OpenOffice. Microsoft has, of course, tried to prevent this, but we told them to get lost." And it would be accepted!!!??? And THAT is journalism????
huh? The big spammers (and even not so big ones) run their own SMTP servers anyway. They have special software that does the mailing. I don't think there would be any way for the Net at large to know that they're not making separate connections for each message.
Maybe requiring that the recipient's real e-mail address be in the "To:" header? But it seems that the benefit of that would be small compared to the hassles.
I agree about educating users. So many people get on the Net today and don't have a clue about proper e-mail etiquette (spam, forwards, etc).
Here's a possible solution:
Start an "email education" project. Write a good message explaining the proper use of e-mail. Don't forward crap to everyone you know, never under any circumstances click on a site advertised in an unsolicited email, etc.
Then encourage people to forward that message to every new Net user they know.:)
And have a Web site set up to send that mail automatically. Have a textarea where you can put in as many addys as you want, and the system would automatically send it to all of them.
Has anyone checked out Dan Bernstein's IM2000 idea? The first time I heard about it was a Slashdot post a few days ago, and I'm extremely impressed. I think switching to a system like this WOULD be do-able. Not overnight, of course, but get a few ISPs on board and we'll get there. Seems like it would solve the spam problem pretty nicely.
wow. It recognized that user ID at least. Didn't know that, thanks. Unfortunately, the FTP password (and I haven't use it in years but I'm 98% sure it's correct) didn't work.:(
Ok, not about cell phone text, but about getting Yahoo to stop things...
I have an *ancient* Geocities home page, that was set up before Yahoo acquired them. I am "yoderm" on Yahoo and was on Geocities before the acquisition. Unfortunately, the GC home page is not associated with my Yahoo account. I now have no way of logging into the thing, and really want it deleted.
I've sent two messages through their "help" center, but no response. I've tried every support@ and help@ type e-mail I could think of for yahoo.com, geocities.com, and yahoo-inc.com. They all either bounce or get an automated reply that says "go to the help center".
Conclusion: Yahoo goes WAY out of their way to avoid dealing with human "customers".
As one who hosts Slash sites, I'd say that Slashcode might be overkill for a user group. It's nice, it's powerful, and it works, but it's really meant for sites with more than a handful of users.
If most end users were cheap, they'd build their own computers from parts instead of buying a Gateway or a Dell or a what-have-you.
Until you remember that Gateway/Dell get volume discounts and can build a box cheaper than you can.
Linux is not easy to use (making it unappealing to the lazy), and what's worse it's not easy to learn (making it unappealing to the impatient). Giant changes would have to happen before Linux could become any of those things.
Complete BS. Linux is *not* inherently more difficult or harder to learn than Windows. It's a bit different, but not harder. OK, *some* things are harder in most current distributions, but no "big change" needs to happen in Linux. Areas where Linux might still be harder are dropping like flies.
The people who work on Linux have no motivation to make those giant changes. So I don't see it happening.
What "giant changes"? And sure they do. Do you know how many people are involved in KDE, Gnome, Gnucash, Mozilla, OpenOffice.org, various open source games? They all want to see Linux, or at least Open Source, succeed on the desktop, and are putting in tremendous effort.
There's one big thing, I think, that will prevent this from happening: the GPL. Any company that does any proprietary work on Linux will be forced to give its source code away to anybody who asks for it, making it impossible for that company to have a competitive edge in the marketplace. That takes the wind out of the old business plan.
You're assuming that they'll have to modify the kernel or other GPL software. That is unnecessary. You can make all sorts of changes to the Linux environment without doing that. And although I agree that companies putting effort into making Linux easier is useful, it is by no means the only way that Linux on the desktop could take off.
Just got the info from Yahoo's site, which is usually pretty up to date.
> Oh - and the system you posted your note is paid for by VA Software. How much do you pay to post here????
Yet another reason why they won't be around much longer.
Not that I'm rooting for their demise, but it's now starting to look inevitable. MAYBE they can pull it off, but they'll need further staff cuts. Agreed that some enterprises will want the features you mention, but 1) they'll need to pay a lot to support VA's 120+ employees, and 2) the bugfixes and enterprise features will eventually get into GForge.
PHP4's license is plenty open enough, and it's light-years ahead of PHP3.
I know there was a group at one time that was forking PHP3 to arrive at a GPL'd PHP4 engine, but AFAIK they never got very far. It certainly isn't particularly important at this point, IMHO.
Aren't you supposed to be on your honeymoon? Crimony!!!
Seriously though, this probably is the clearest possible evidence that VA is a truly f'd company. Who in tarnation is going to buy the commercial SF when this is available?
According to yahoo financials, VA lost more in the last year than they have in cash. They now have $25 million in the bank and 144 employees.
Not really disagreeing, but I've been to all 7 Central American countries and have never had anything stolen. I usually take public busses and stay in cheap hotels. If you keep your common sense and don't flaunt anything, you'll be OK.
Of course, I agree with the sentiment that carrying a laptop along for this type of travel would be rather ridiculous. Cybercafes abound, though not in "remote" areas.
> And I live in the most wealthy and peaceful nation in the area.
You're right to a point, but I'm pretty sure making it illegal would drastically reduce it, and give us more tools with which to fight.
First, no halfway legitimate Western business is going to go to a spammer in Kazakstan.
Second, since an IP address can usually be fairly accurately mapped to a country, the large ISPs here could simply make a decision to block off all access to a country that is known to be spam friendly.
Maybe we should just start making fun of spammers, instead of lawyers and blondes. I have karma to burn, so here's a start.:D
A drug dealer, an axe murderer, and a spammer are traveling together. One night they stay in a small farmhouse near a barn. The house only has two beds, so it is agreed that the drug dealer will sleep in the barn, while the axe murderer and spammer sleep in the house. So they go to bed.
15 minutes later, the drug dealer comes in from the barn. "With all that hay and all those animals, my allergies are acting up. I can't sleep in the barn!" So the axe murderer agrees to go out there and gives the drug dealer his bed.
15 minutes later, the axe murderer comes in from the barn, saying, "Those animals are making too much noise! I can't sleep out there!" The spammer sighs, saying "Ok, ok, I can sleep through anything. I'll go out there."
A few minutes later, the cows, horses, and pigs all come in to the house, screaming "There's a spammer in the barn! We can't sleep with a spammer!"
I have several websites at different domains, with a public address @most of them. But I only get maybe 5 to 10 a day combined. The sites have been up over a year (most of them) but none are horribly popular.:(
Still, I think I'm gonna set up ORBS and/or SPEWS on my server in the not-too-distant future, and maybe some firewall rules. I don't even want to admit those evil packets to the server.
Interesting but flawed analogy. Bilboards and radio are mediums with limited space. One would only put an "advertise here" note in the ad space if they weren't selling enough to fill the space. The potential supply of spam is pretty much unlimited, so it doesn't "take any space" for them to send the ads.
hmm, there's bandwidth and server time I guess, but they probably have far more of that than they need for their paying "customers".
You know, this is the kind of thing that someone needs to write a little Perl program to do. Should be easy with the LWP::UserAgent (or whatever it's called) module. Just feed it a form URL, have it get all the fields and fill them with random trash, submit repeatedly, and walk away for a few hours.:)
OT to this particular spammer, but I just got a spam selling McAfee crap online. The order form says it's secure, but nowhere does it go to anything https! And of course it asks for a credit card number.
How can we bust the crap out of these retards?
For one thing, I filled out their form with "CUT THE SPAM YOU BLITHERING RETARDS" as my name, and "dslkfjsdlkafj" type data in the other fields, and 4111 1111 1111 1111 for the credit card #. And the hit submit repeatedly.:)
Slashdot Mirror
You can set the preferences to whatever you like under Edit -> Preferences -> Advanced -> Cache -> Compare the page in cache to the page on the network.
Well I HAD that set to the default, "when the page is out of date." I just changed it to "once per session" and it looks like it's still doing it.
Yeah, you're right. It doesn't matter that they go from something like 7.2.0 to 7.2.2 in a minor series, but since their main goal is to never break binary compatibility, it seems as though it's a huge mistake for them to upgrade PG when it will break the database, UNLESS they make an automated dump/restore script run as part of the distro upgrader (which shouldn't be too hard to do actually).
I just immagine the poor person who upgrades Red Hat and then finds that their PG databases are unusable. Now that the old version has been wiped out, how in the world are they going to get their data back???
Looking at the package list...
/usr/bin/showfont that was already installed. That's not too cool.
On the surface it seems good that they're upgrading to Mozilla 1.2.1, but I've had several problems with it compared to 1.0.1. It doesn't display updates to some XUL properties correctly after they update with JavaScript (Yes, I filed it... Bugzilla #185432). Also, it's not caching anything. If I press the BACK button or View Source, it always reloads the page. That's bad news.
OpenOffice.org -- fine now at 1.0.1, but I think the OOo folks are planning a bugfix release soon. Hopefully that will make it in the final release. OOo in RH8 has, for me, crashed the whole X server several times when scrolling around in certain Word and Excel documents. The development branch 643C fixes that problem. Has that happened to anyone else?
Anyone know what "musicbrainz" and "redland" are?
PHP: still at 4.2.2. Apache: still at 2.0.40. PHP 4.3 sounds like it will have a boatload of improvements. They're including beta versions of KDE, Gnome, and X (which will probably be finalized by release date), so why not PHP? And Apache has had several updates since then.
PostgreSQL 7.3. Nice, but upgrading requires a dump and restore. Is that a wise thing to do inside the 8.x series?
Why don't they include SDL_ttf??? Several programs require it. For 8.0, I couldn't find a binary RPM and had to build a source RPM. That worked, except that it conflicted with a
Overall, it looks like it will definitely be better than 8.0, but not a revolutionary upgrade.
Apparently Hemos didn't read or understand anything in the article except what the submitter posted.
..., submit it to Slashdot saying "This article (in Mongolian) says that every computer user in Mongolia is being mandated to switch to Linux and OpenOffice. Microsoft has, of course, tried to prevent this, but we told them to get lost." And it would be accepted!!!??? And THAT is journalism????
So I could put up a website, fill it with something like...
"l;jq fodsu alfjkls ahjrlah jkslfas Linux l arl4kj ajksdhflkjsah j afsfgd af hsfd Linux kjhwrjk wajklsf hdlsahf OpenOffice lahlkjfkajfd wahekhj ahi ghksafhjd ufw gjsakgf hjdsssag hj gfeyuigza67 ghuc gje4 g2hjg Linux. Dwkhj fdoisads Microsoft lskjfskjha rekjh kwsjkh kjs hjkshkj kjd."
huh? The big spammers (and even not so big ones) run their own SMTP servers anyway. They have special software that does the mailing. I don't think there would be any way for the Net at large to know that they're not making separate connections for each message.
Maybe requiring that the recipient's real e-mail address be in the "To:" header? But it seems that the benefit of that would be small compared to the hassles.
I agree about educating users. So many people get on the Net today and don't have a clue about proper e-mail etiquette (spam, forwards, etc).
:)
Here's a possible solution:
Start an "email education" project. Write a good message explaining the proper use of e-mail. Don't forward crap to everyone you know, never under any circumstances click on a site advertised in an unsolicited email, etc.
Then encourage people to forward that message to every new Net user they know.
And have a Web site set up to send that mail automatically. Have a textarea where you can put in as many addys as you want, and the system would automatically send it to all of them.
Has anyone checked out Dan Bernstein's IM2000 idea? The first time I heard about it was a Slashdot post a few days ago, and I'm extremely impressed. I think switching to a system like this WOULD be do-able. Not overnight, of course, but get a few ISPs on board and we'll get there. Seems like it would solve the spam problem pretty nicely.
well NOW I do "have my own ISP" ... my own colocated server in fact. But a long time ago I put up a page that I simply want to take down now.
And it's not like answering that will take a lot of their time. Sheesh. Should be do-able in 5 minutes.
wow. It recognized that user ID at least. Didn't know that, thanks. Unfortunately, the FTP password (and I haven't use it in years but I'm 98% sure it's correct) didn't work. :(
well he DID mention iptables and ipchains. When was the last time you did THAT with UNIX?
Ok, not about cell phone text, but about getting Yahoo to stop things...
I have an *ancient* Geocities home page, that was set up before Yahoo acquired them. I am "yoderm" on Yahoo and was on Geocities before the acquisition. Unfortunately, the GC home page is not associated with my Yahoo account. I now have no way of logging into the thing, and really want it deleted.
I've sent two messages through their "help" center, but no response. I've tried every support@ and help@ type e-mail I could think of for yahoo.com, geocities.com, and yahoo-inc.com. They all either bounce or get an automated reply that says "go to the help center".
Conclusion: Yahoo goes WAY out of their way to avoid dealing with human "customers".
Although AOL's namesake Internet service might suck, their combination of fighting spam and developing Mozilla makes them kinda hard to hate. :)
As one who hosts Slash sites, I'd say that Slashcode might be overkill for a user group. It's nice, it's powerful, and it works, but it's really meant for sites with more than a handful of users.
*sigh* ... this is starting to get tiring.
If most end users were cheap, they'd build their own computers from parts instead of buying a Gateway or a Dell or a what-have-you.
Until you remember that Gateway/Dell get volume discounts and can build a box cheaper than you can.
Linux is not easy to use (making it unappealing to the lazy), and what's worse it's not easy to learn (making it unappealing to the impatient). Giant changes would have to happen before Linux could become any of those things.
Complete BS. Linux is *not* inherently more difficult or harder to learn than Windows. It's a bit different, but not harder. OK, *some* things are harder in most current distributions, but no "big change" needs to happen in Linux. Areas where Linux might still be harder are dropping like flies.
The people who work on Linux have no motivation to make those giant changes. So I don't see it happening.
What "giant changes"? And sure they do. Do you know how many people are involved in KDE, Gnome, Gnucash, Mozilla, OpenOffice.org, various open source games? They all want to see Linux, or at least Open Source, succeed on the desktop, and are putting in tremendous effort.
There's one big thing, I think, that will prevent this from happening: the GPL. Any company that does any proprietary work on Linux will be forced to give its source code away to anybody who asks for it, making it impossible for that company to have a competitive edge in the marketplace. That takes the wind out of the old business plan.
You're assuming that they'll have to modify the kernel or other GPL software. That is unnecessary. You can make all sorts of changes to the Linux environment without doing that. And although I agree that companies putting effort into making Linux easier is useful, it is by no means the only way that Linux on the desktop could take off.
Just got the info from Yahoo's site, which is usually pretty up to date.
> Oh - and the system you posted your note is paid for by VA Software. How much do you pay to post here????
Yet another reason why they won't be around much longer.
Not that I'm rooting for their demise, but it's now starting to look inevitable. MAYBE they can pull it off, but they'll need further staff cuts. Agreed that some enterprises will want the features you mention, but 1) they'll need to pay a lot to support VA's 120+ employees, and 2) the bugfixes and enterprise features will eventually get into GForge.
PHP4's license is plenty open enough, and it's light-years ahead of PHP3.
I know there was a group at one time that was forking PHP3 to arrive at a GPL'd PHP4 engine, but AFAIK they never got very far. It certainly isn't particularly important at this point, IMHO.
Aren't you supposed to be on your honeymoon? Crimony!!!
Seriously though, this probably is the clearest possible evidence that VA is a truly f'd company. Who in tarnation is going to buy the commercial SF when this is available?
According to yahoo financials, VA lost more in the last year than they have in cash. They now have $25 million in the bank and 144 employees.
I give them 8 months tops.
Not really disagreeing, but I've been to all 7 Central American countries and have never had anything stolen. I usually take public busses and stay in cheap hotels. If you keep your common sense and don't flaunt anything, you'll be OK.
Of course, I agree with the sentiment that carrying a laptop along for this type of travel would be rather ridiculous. Cybercafes abound, though not in "remote" areas.
> And I live in the most wealthy and peaceful nation in the area.
Cool, that would be Costa Rica? Or Panama?
You're right to a point, but I'm pretty sure making it illegal would drastically reduce it, and give us more tools with which to fight.
First, no halfway legitimate Western business is going to go to a spammer in Kazakstan.
Second, since an IP address can usually be fairly accurately mapped to a country, the large ISPs here could simply make a decision to block off all access to a country that is known to be spam friendly.
Maybe we should just start making fun of spammers, instead of lawyers and blondes. I have karma to burn, so here's a start. :D
A drug dealer, an axe murderer, and a spammer are traveling together. One night they stay in a small farmhouse near a barn. The house only has two beds, so it is agreed that the drug dealer will sleep in the barn, while the axe murderer and spammer sleep in the house. So they go to bed.
15 minutes later, the drug dealer comes in from the barn. "With all that hay and all those animals, my allergies are acting up. I can't sleep in the barn!" So the axe murderer agrees to go out there and gives the drug dealer his bed.
15 minutes later, the axe murderer comes in from the barn, saying, "Those animals are making too much noise! I can't sleep out there!" The spammer sighs, saying "Ok, ok, I can sleep through anything. I'll go out there."
A few minutes later, the cows, horses, and pigs all come in to the house, screaming "There's a spammer in the barn! We can't sleep with a spammer!"
[root@eclipse root]# rpm -q mod_python
mod_python-3.0.0-10
[root@eclipse root]# rpm -q httpd
httpd-2.0.40-8
Is that just a beta? The version number doesn't seem to indicate that, unlike with mod_perl:
[root@eclipse root]# rpm -q mod_perl
mod_perl-1.99_05-3
I have several websites at different domains, with a public address @most of them. But I only get maybe 5 to 10 a day combined. The sites have been up over a year (most of them) but none are horribly popular. :(
Still, I think I'm gonna set up ORBS and/or SPEWS on my server in the not-too-distant future, and maybe some firewall rules. I don't even want to admit those evil packets to the server.
Interesting but flawed analogy. Bilboards and radio are mediums with limited space. One would only put an "advertise here" note in the ad space if they weren't selling enough to fill the space. The potential supply of spam is pretty much unlimited, so it doesn't "take any space" for them to send the ads.
hmm, there's bandwidth and server time I guess, but they probably have far more of that than they need for their paying "customers".
...getting tired of doing it manually...
:)
You know, this is the kind of thing that someone needs to write a little Perl program to do. Should be easy with the LWP::UserAgent (or whatever it's called) module. Just feed it a form URL, have it get all the fields and fill them with random trash, submit repeatedly, and walk away for a few hours.
OT to this particular spammer, but I just got a spam selling McAfee crap online. The order form says it's secure, but nowhere does it go to anything https! And of course it asks for a credit card number.
:)
How can we bust the crap out of these retards?
For one thing, I filled out their form with "CUT THE SPAM YOU BLITHERING RETARDS" as my name, and "dslkfjsdlkafj" type data in the other fields, and 4111 1111 1111 1111 for the credit card #. And the hit submit repeatedly.
www.wholesale-software.com is the offender.