"the General Public License is not so much about ``keeping free software free'' as it is about forcing us to accept the extreme Communistic political philosophy of Richard Stallman and others at the Free Software Foundation. The very spirit of the GPL is to attack the very concept of Capitalism and individualism"
Eh, not a good article IMHO
"Indeed, Richard Stallman himself would prefer that we recognize the Linux operating system as ``GNU/Linux'' instead, because of the fact that almost all of the code is GPL'ed. The Linux kernel itself is not a GNU/FSF product, however."
No It's not the kernel that should be called GNU/Linux It is the entire operating system; kernel + the rest of which much indeed are made by FSF
"since most of the body of code in the ``GNU/Linux'' system is GPL'ed, there is no hope of ever changing the licensing - they've gone too far to turn back now. "
Linux != BSD, and never will be. Is that so scary?
"The GPL is not about freedom"
Yes it is
"But the fact that the GPL can infect code derived from other GPL'ed programs, as well as the fact that the output of some GPL'ed programs must also be GPL'ed, is unacceptable. In fact, it should be contested over its shaky sense of legality in these matters. I'm not aware of any court cases involving the GPL so far, so we have yet to see what will happen when such an issue arises. I can only hope that the courts will decide against the GPL's habit of infecting other code."
He wishes the GPL to lose in court!!!, I could understan if a Microsoft troll wanted GNU/Linux to be destroyed but a UNIX brother?;)
If there are internet in a coutry they naturly must get the right tools to use it.
Why don't you start your own 100% american CP-net and use that instead, you obviously don't care about anything else than you and your contry.
Does the INTER part of internet mean anything to you?, well it's not USAnet it's internet, a world wide network for everybody but guess what, the numbers are not enough then whole Asia and Europe wan't to use it.
With your attitude you should be living in caves and fear the light; IPv6 will help everybody and make the internet a better place.
Why don't you read the Cathedral and the Bazaar and get some insight? It's suppose to be this way, and nobody forces you to upgrade so why should you ?
Darwin is without graphical interface its just NeXT without the graphics which means mach kernel with a BSD layer and then ofcource alot of new stuff like HFS+ support etc.
Great, now the mac has two open UNIX OS. LinuxPPC and Darwin, lets hope the two can cooperate at least somehow, The HFS+ code could be used as a linux module. And maybe the MKlinux project can benefit from Darwin's mach kernel....
The feeling in those letters shure feels familiar. The school is relly not a good place to grow up in I would say
There are lots of people who don't like to learn for example all the math or something else but they are foreced to, by family and society - this doesn't generate a good mood:/ Add to this that some teachers sux and you may not like your classmates.
But it still doesn't answer the question *why* kids kill their classmates
As I see it Schools don't have to suck, they can be made better, and it's relly easier to create a good school instead of trying to censor games, taste and attitudes which would meen alter the humanity. The will to play games, be different, and have fun will always remain but why should a corrupted and destructive system be allowed to last?
if you only beleve *BSD can do anything you should open your eyes and trie to look beyond the propaganda. To say it should not have been possible to do the rendering with any other os is just stupid, imature and at least pisses my off.
Maybe this is why so many(at least some) feel BSD sux, not to bring up the previous BSD discissions again but BSD people are very bad at proving their os is as good as they say, and they never fail to promote it as THE BEST in the world.
I for one beleve it definitley could be done with any UNIX system, especielly linux but any would do just as well, hell maybe even NT or Win95 or MacOS could have done it, the BSD attitude is the thing that is damaging BSDs reputation most I would say...
Well, i guess I should know betten than get offended by this but...............
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There seems to be a great problem for some of you to make a difference between MacOS X Server that is available now and MacOS X that is planed to replace MacOS (and maybe the Server also) then it is released.
Everybody knows ordinary MacOS sux, apple realised this a long time ago and started a project called Copland, but failed after several(6 i think) years of slow development and bought NeXT instead. So MacOS has in reality been cancelled a long time ago, and now it is being developed just as a bridge to MacOS X that will totally replace it(I know apple don't say it this way, but thats what will happend).
As to MacOS X Server, it is quite good, but not good enough to replace MacOS, the interface is not as clean as MacOS and the "emulation" of MacOS appz is done by a separate application. MacOS X will fix all this and also add a new API to make the transition from Mac to MacOS X easy -- carbon.
Maybe not 100% correct but essensially what will happened...
This seems like the thing we all thought the Instant Message project was about, but it seems like what netscape pulled was just documents, no code, and not even aimed at merging ICQ-AIM-IRC in a single client.
But this project is a lot cooler and what at least what I would like to have in mozilla or as a stand alone client, I look forward to when I don't have to use a feature-less-ICQ-clone and another AIM-clone and instead can use this all-in-one, free, implementation of them all. If the mozilla project wants chat and instant messaging, this is what they should support.
Why dont you tell the GNOME people to go and work with the linux kernel relly hard insted ???
Its the same thing, the instant messaging people do what they want, not what might seem most impostant, the same thing goes with gnome, they dont work with the linux kernel because they think their project is important.
Its good with lost and lost and even more different projects. Everybody is working hard on their specific tasks; what is important to them.
Im perfectly happy with their efforts, Mozilla will be released then its ready. If you cant wait, help them!
But is that relly the case, If you alredy have contributed code under MPL/NPL isn't it too late to draw it back ?
Or are just mozilla removing the page by pure politeness to netscape(AOL)
If it get brought back in, with ICQ + AIM + IRC it will be a very good thing, but then again, why should they pull it in the first palce if they knew what they were doing???
I got a point, none of you would even dream of commenting in the same way on linux, menmonic, gnome, KDE or anything (maybe apple though). If linux get another driver or feature you wouldn't complain about bloat and delays, would you ?
The real problem as I see it is that netscape has pulled the mozilla page, for some reson. How independent and free is relly mozilla?, how can we trust it then netscape can remove, and trie to kill any project they don't like?. It's not our project as long non of us contributes and non of us even feel the slightest appeal to contribute. As I see it, mozilla has not been working hard enough to "help" people contribute (but what do I know). And we, the people/users/programmers has not been enough open minded, still today, after endless discussions you are still complaining at mozilla about bloat and delays, you should be blaming yourself instead!!
Im not so experienced but you are very wrong about alot of things. C and C++ are to different things, you do need both. Egcs is based on gcc and is more efficent and better, the reson everyone don't use it is because its relatively new, some think it doesn't generate as good code as gcc(I don't know) but its unfortunatly mostly focused on the the Intel platform so us non intel lovers don't get as much optimations as with the normal gcc, this was the case a while back atleast...
You are right in a way, if everyone release their code under their own semi-free lisense only the real enthusiasts will be left working and using GNU. The danger is that ordinary people and even GNU people will get used to non-free-but-open lisenses and in the end it might just destroy everything we like with open-source and free software. Then nobody cares about the philosophy then whats the point of GNU. Then you can use a fancy but restricted application I think most people will do that instead of coding their own GNU clone or hope for a GNU clone to be created.
Then people got their Streeming Quicktime servers will they even think it might be wrong to use it because it ain't free. NO they won't and we won't get a clone because although ASPL ain't free it is free enough. Thats the real danger of semi-free, the goal is not to give people freedom but to be free enough just to succed.
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>Some criticism of the GPL, and a good article.
;)
Some? it's a pure flame against GPL:
"the General Public License is not so much about ``keeping free software free'' as it is about forcing us to accept the extreme
Communistic political philosophy of Richard Stallman and others at the Free Software Foundation. The very spirit of the GPL is to attack the very
concept of Capitalism and individualism"
Eh, not a good article IMHO
"Indeed,
Richard Stallman himself would prefer that we recognize the Linux operating system as ``GNU/Linux'' instead, because of the fact that almost all
of the code is GPL'ed. The Linux kernel itself is not a GNU/FSF product, however."
No It's not the kernel that should be called GNU/Linux It is the entire operating system; kernel + the rest of which much indeed are made by FSF
"since most of the body of code in the ``GNU/Linux''
system is GPL'ed, there is no hope of ever changing the licensing - they've gone too far to turn back now. "
Linux != BSD, and never will be. Is that so scary?
"The GPL is not about freedom"
Yes it is
"But the fact that the GPL can infect code derived from other GPL'ed programs, as well as the fact that the output of some GPL'ed
programs must also be GPL'ed, is unacceptable. In fact, it should be contested over its shaky sense of legality in these matters. I'm not aware of
any court cases involving the GPL so far, so we have yet to see what will happen when such an issue arises. I can only hope that the courts will
decide against the GPL's habit of infecting other code."
He wishes the GPL to lose in court!!!, I could understan if a Microsoft troll wanted GNU/Linux to be destroyed but a UNIX brother?
/sorry for the bad textformatting...
If there are internet in a coutry they naturly must get the right tools to use it.
Why don't you start your own 100% american CP-net and use that instead, you obviously don't care about anything else than you and your contry.
Does the INTER part of internet mean anything to you?, well it's not USAnet it's internet, a world wide network for everybody but guess what, the numbers are not enough then whole Asia and Europe wan't to use it.
With your attitude you should be living in caves and fear the light; IPv6 will help everybody and make the internet a better place.
/I worship good technology not my Country
What we need is a way to filter out news about kernel upgrades; everybody happy then?
Why don't you read the Cathedral and the Bazaar and get some insight?
It's suppose to be this way, and nobody forces you to upgrade so why should you ?
Well if propertary UNIXs count we got OS X Server also
Which means Linux Darwin BSD MachTEN and OS X Server. To bad our linux versions currently suck,
/I'm dying to get my hands on Debian2.2 for PPC
The binary release and many parts of the system was released right now so there are no port at all
:)
I would sure love to have mach running a Multi-Multi-processor machine
The only problem is that it's an old mach version,
/I hope the HURD gets released soon(like soon measured in milleniums or something:;-/)
How could anybody run darwin then they released the binary distribution and the missing parts of the system today ?
But in a way some people run darwin; the users of MacOS X Server.
Darwin is without graphical interface its just NeXT without the graphics which means mach kernel with a BSD layer and then ofcource alot of new stuff like HFS+ support etc.
Great, now the mac has two open UNIX OS. LinuxPPC and Darwin, lets hope the two can cooperate at least somehow, The HFS+ code could be used as a linux module. And maybe the MKlinux project can benefit from Darwin's mach kernel....
The feeling in those letters shure feels familiar. The school is relly not a good place to grow up in I would say
:/
There are lots of people who don't like to learn for example all the math or something else but they are foreced to, by family and society - this doesn't generate a good mood
Add to this that some teachers sux and you may not like your classmates.
But it still doesn't answer the question *why* kids kill their classmates
As I see it
Schools don't have to suck, they can be made better, and it's relly easier to create a good school instead of trying to censor games, taste and attitudes which would meen alter the humanity. The will to play games, be different, and have fun will always remain but why should a corrupted and destructive system be allowed to last?
Well well well, who is the "coward" - you or me:)
if you only beleve *BSD can do anything you should open your eyes and trie to look beyond the propaganda. To say it should not have been possible to do the rendering with any other os is just stupid, imature and at least pisses my off.
Maybe this is why so many(at least some) feel BSD sux, not to bring up the previous BSD discissions again but BSD people are very bad at proving their os is as good as they say, and they never fail to promote it as THE BEST in the world.
I for one beleve it definitley could be done with any UNIX system, especielly linux but any would do just as well, hell maybe even NT or Win95 or MacOS could have done it, the BSD attitude is the thing that is damaging BSDs reputation most I would say...
Well, i guess I should know betten than get offended by this but...............
There seems to be a great problem for some of you to make a difference between MacOS X Server that is available now and MacOS X that is planed to replace MacOS (and maybe the Server also) then it is released.
Everybody knows ordinary MacOS sux, apple realised this a long time ago and started a project called Copland, but failed after several(6 i think) years of slow development and bought NeXT instead. So MacOS has in reality been cancelled a long time ago, and now it is being developed just as a bridge to MacOS X that will totally replace it(I know apple don't say it this way, but thats what will happend).
As to MacOS X Server, it is quite good, but not good enough to replace MacOS, the interface is not as clean as MacOS and the "emulation" of MacOS appz is done by a separate application. MacOS X will fix all this and also add a new API to make the transition from Mac to MacOS X easy -- carbon.
Maybe not 100% correct but essensially what will happened...
This seems like the thing we all thought the Instant Message project was about, but it seems like what netscape pulled was just documents, no code, and not even aimed at merging ICQ-AIM-IRC in a single client.
But this project is a lot cooler and what at least what I would like to have in mozilla or as a stand alone client, I look forward to when I don't have to use a feature-less-ICQ-clone and another AIM-clone and instead can use this all-in-one, free, implementation of them all. If the mozilla project wants chat and instant messaging, this is what they should support.
Can't spell at all today,
...
lots of projects is what a wanted to write
Why dont you tell the GNOME people to go and work with the linux kernel relly hard insted ???
Its the same thing, the instant messaging people do what they want, not what might seem most impostant, the same thing goes with gnome, they dont work with the linux kernel because they think their project is important.
Its good with lost and lost and even more different projects. Everybody is working hard on their specific tasks; what is important to them.
Im perfectly happy with their efforts, Mozilla will be released then its ready. If you cant wait, help them!
If linux get another driver it is not bloat but what is different with mozilla getting another (optional!!!) feature ?, nothing!
If we can get a cool implementation of ICQ and AIM and maybe even IRC under a fairly good lisense wouldn't that be a good thing ?
But is that relly the case, If you alredy have contributed code under MPL/NPL isn't it too late to draw it back ?
Or are just mozilla removing the page by pure politeness to netscape(AOL)
If it get brought back in, with ICQ + AIM + IRC it will be a very good thing, but then again, why should they pull it in the first palce if they knew what they were doing???
You got a point ... etc etc
/relly need better spelling
I got a point, none of you would even dream of commenting in the same way on linux, menmonic, gnome, KDE or anything (maybe apple though). If linux get another driver or feature you wouldn't complain about bloat and delays, would you ?
The real problem as I see it is that netscape has pulled the mozilla page, for some reson. How independent and free is relly mozilla?, how can we trust it then netscape can remove, and trie to kill any project they don't like?. It's not our project as long non of us contributes and non of us even feel the slightest appeal to contribute. As I see it, mozilla has not been working hard enough to "help" people contribute (but what do I know). And we, the people/users/programmers has not been enough open minded, still today, after endless discussions you are still complaining at mozilla about bloat and delays, you should be blaming yourself instead!!
Im not so experienced but you are very wrong about alot of things. C and C++ are to different things, you do need both. Egcs is based on gcc and is more efficent and better, the reson everyone don't use it is because its relatively new, some think it doesn't generate as good code as gcc(I don't know) but its unfortunatly mostly focused on the the Intel platform so us non intel lovers don't get as much optimations as with the normal gcc, this was the case a while back atleast...
Okey, i guess the grave psychic confusing caused by calling linus swedish is wearing off now ;)
/ I knew some people spoke swedish in findland but didn'y know linus did, nor that some schools requested that
Hehe, svensk är han inte i alla fall, så svårt skall det väl inte vara att skilja på oss :)
Swedish minority..., what do you meen ?
You are right in a way, if everyone release their code under their own semi-free lisense only the real enthusiasts will be left working and using GNU. The danger is that ordinary people and even GNU people will get used to non-free-but-open lisenses and in the end it might just destroy everything we like with open-source and free software. Then nobody cares about the philosophy then whats the point of GNU. Then you can use a fancy but restricted application I think most people will do that instead of coding their own GNU clone or hope for a GNU clone to be created.
Then people got their Streeming Quicktime servers will they even think it might be wrong to use it because it ain't free. NO they won't and we won't get a clone because although ASPL ain't free it is free enough. Thats the real danger of semi-free, the goal is not to give people freedom but to be free enough just to succed.